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Defections from AFC to APNU ominous for PPP – Ramkarran

 

Posted By Stabroek editor On September 29, 2013 @ 12:34 pm In Local News | No Comments

Several recent high-profile defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs for the PPP, according to columnist Ralph Ramkarran.
 
Ramkarran, writing on political defections, said that the departures from Alliance For Change (AFC) are not merely opportunistic shifts but principled departures to A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) which gains from the process.
In recent weeks several AFC members have crossed to APNU including well-known overseas-based economist Tarron Khemraj. The departures have been linked to the controversy over the AFC’s stance on the Amaila project and internal issues. Another member, Berbice lawyer Charrandass Persaud also recently announced his departure.
 
Ramkarran, who quit the PPP last year after nearly 50 years with the party, said while the defections from the AFC have been traumatic it faced other challenges. The defections, he argued, were more a problem for the ruling PPP/C.
“The defections from the AFC must have been traumatic for that party. It was for the PPP every time over two or more decades. But the AFC faces greater challenges as a third party. Its principal tasks are to define itself, maintain a multi-ethnic appeal in a situation of rigid ethnic voting patterns and devise a strategy to deal with a situation where it is likely that the PPP will remain the largest political party. For an opposition political party in Guyana, it has to become accustomed to defections, but these will not be its biggest challenges.
 
For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said.
Addressing the question of defections, Ramkarran praised former PPP/C Minister Henry Jeffrey for the principled position he took when he had differences with the PNC, with which he also had a longstanding relationship before joining the People’s Progressive Party (PPP) government in 1992.
 
Noting that political defections in Guyana have a long and sordid history, Ramkaran said Jeffrey’s case was a “rare exception”.
“Faced with the choice between academic integrity and dishonesty in the mid-1980s when he (Jeffrey) was writing a book, Guyana, while preparing his doctoral thesis in the UK, he chose the high road. He sat on the executive of the PNC but instead of defending electoral malpractice, he took the position that the PNC had been guilty of electoral fraud. He was dismissed from his job as principal at Kuru Kuru Cooperative College and for several years after his return to Guyana he could not find employment at UG.
 
“Although tied to the PNC during the 1970s and 1980s, he had always exercised an independent political mind. He regularly visited the Michael Forde Bookshop, then something of a mini, pro PPP, intellectual hang-out, now a shadow of its former self, and engaged in polemics while many feared even travelling through that part of Robb Street where Freedom House is located.
 
“He displayed the Mirror at Kuru Kuru Cooperative College. He employed me as a part-time lecturer. During much of this time he was known to some in the PPP leadership and engaged with them from time to time. No PNC activist, sympathizer or state employee dared to do anything similar, but Dr Jeffrey’s actions were never called into question by his political superiors. Upon his return to Guyana after completing his doctoral studies, his engagements with Dr Jagan intensified and there began his journey with the PPP and later the PPP/Civic. He has criticized the PNC but has never joined in its demonization for the purpose of gaining favour in the PPP/Civic”, Ramkarran wrote.

 

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Originally Posted by Mitwah:

 The Jagdeo/Ramotar regime is drowning in their own manufactured hogwash that they don't see the threat as  a problem for the PPP/C.

 

Rumors have it that Jagdeo will be the next presidential candidate. Interesting times ahead. 

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Theoretically speaking, it depends on how the people see it.  It was clear the Indians of the AFC were mostly disgruntled former PPPites who felt they were shorted.  With the implosion of the AFC, they have little alternative but to go to the PNC and so they did.  Going to the PNC is merely an attempt to stay relevant in political circles.  The PNC would love any Indian who wants to come over but the Afro-centrist will ensure they are held in check, just ask Vincent Teekah.

 

The PNC/GDF are a danger to the Indians of Guyana.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Theoretically speaking, it depends on how the people see it.  It was clear the Indians of the AFC were mostly disgruntled former PPPites who felt they were shorted.  With the implosion of the AFC, they have little alternative but to go to the PNC and so they did.  Going to the PNC is merely an attempt to stay relevant in political circles.  The PNC would love any Indian who wants to come over but the Afro-centrist will ensure they are held in check, just ask Vincent Teekah.

 

The PNC/GDF are a danger to the Indians of Guyana.

Perhaps, you could remove your race baiting blinkers for a few moments and respond to Mr. Ramkarran's statements. I think you are quite capable to do that.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Theoretically speaking, it depends on how the people see it.  It was clear the Indians of the AFC were mostly disgruntled former PPPites who felt they were shorted.  With the implosion of the AFC, they have little alternative but to go to the PNC and so they did.  Going to the PNC is merely an attempt to stay relevant in political circles.  The PNC would love any Indian who wants to come over but the Afro-centrist will ensure they are held in check, just ask Vincent Teekah.

 

The PNC/GDF are a danger to the Indians of Guyana.

 

The army is no threat. Brig Best is now living close to Mr Jagdeo in Pradoville 2. 

FM
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Theoretically speaking, it depends on how the people see it.  It was clear the Indians of the AFC were mostly disgruntled former PPPites who felt they were shorted.  With the implosion of the AFC, they have little alternative but to go to the PNC and so they did.  Going to the PNC is merely an attempt to stay relevant in political circles.  The PNC would love any Indian who wants to come over but the Afro-centrist will ensure they are held in check, just ask Vincent Teekah.

 

The PNC/GDF are a danger to the Indians of Guyana.

 

The army is no threat. Brig Best is now living close to Mr Jagdeo in Pradoville 2. 

Go sing that to the birds.

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Theoretically speaking, it depends on how the people see it.  It was clear the Indians of the AFC were mostly disgruntled former PPPites who felt they were shorted.  With the implosion of the AFC, they have little alternative but to go to the PNC and so they did.  Going to the PNC is merely an attempt to stay relevant in political circles.  The PNC would love any Indian who wants to come over but the Afro-centrist will ensure they are held in check, just ask Vincent Teekah.

 

The PNC/GDF are a danger to the Indians of Guyana.

Perhaps, you could remove your race baiting blinkers for a few moments and respond to Mr. Ramkarran's statements. I think you are quite capable to do that.

"Theoretically Speaking", that's my response.  I sums it up.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Theoretically speaking, it depends on how the people see it.  It was clear the Indians of the AFC were mostly disgruntled former PPPites who felt they were shorted.  With the implosion of the AFC, they have little alternative but to go to the PNC and so they did.  Going to the PNC is merely an attempt to stay relevant in political circles.  The PNC would love any Indian who wants to come over but the Afro-centrist will ensure they are held in check, just ask Vincent Teekah.

 

The PNC/GDF are a danger to the Indians of Guyana.

Perhaps, you could remove your race baiting blinkers for a few moments and respond to Mr. Ramkarran's statements. I think you are quite capable to do that.

"Theoretically Speaking", that's my response.  I sums it up.

So you are concerned primarily with theories or racial hypotheses rather than practical considerations as stated by Mr. Ramkarran.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Theoretically speaking, it depends on how the people see it.  It was clear the Indians of the AFC were mostly disgruntled former PPPites who felt they were shorted.  With the implosion of the AFC, they have little alternative but to go to the PNC and so they did.  Going to the PNC is merely an attempt to stay relevant in political circles.  The PNC would love any Indian who wants to come over but the Afro-centrist will ensure they are held in check, just ask Vincent Teekah.

 

The PNC/GDF are a danger to the Indians of Guyana.

Perhaps, you could remove your race baiting blinkers for a few moments and respond to Mr. Ramkarran's statements. I think you are quite capable to do that.

"Theoretically Speaking", that's my response.  I sums it up.

So you are concerned primarily with theories or racial hypotheses rather than practical considerations as stated by Mr. Ramkarran.

Don't waste your time, "practical" will be delivered at the polls.  Let's just wait and see.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Theoretically speaking, it depends on how the people see it.  It was clear the Indians of the AFC were mostly disgruntled former PPPites who felt they were shorted.  With the implosion of the AFC, they have little alternative but to go to the PNC and so they did.  Going to the PNC is merely an attempt to stay relevant in political circles.  The PNC would love any Indian who wants to come over but the Afro-centrist will ensure they are held in check, just ask Vincent Teekah.

 

The PNC/GDF are a danger to the Indians of Guyana.

Perhaps, you could remove your race baiting blinkers for a few moments and respond to Mr. Ramkarran's statements. I think you are quite capable to do that.

"Theoretically Speaking", that's my response.  I sums it up.

So you are concerned primarily with theories or racial hypotheses rather than practical considerations as stated by Mr. Ramkarran.

Don't waste your time, "practical" will be delivered at the polls.  Let's just wait and see.

LOL! I thought you claimed that you were "pragmatic". Sympatizers or supporters of the defectors have historically followed and voted for the defectors or just stay away from the polls. Either way, the PPP/C will looose those votes.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Theoretically speaking, it depends on how the people see it.  It was clear the Indians of the AFC were mostly disgruntled former PPPites who felt they were shorted.  With the implosion of the AFC, they have little alternative but to go to the PNC and so they did.  Going to the PNC is merely an attempt to stay relevant in political circles.  The PNC would love any Indian who wants to come over but the Afro-centrist will ensure they are held in check, just ask Vincent Teekah.

 

The PNC/GDF are a danger to the Indians of Guyana.

Perhaps, you could remove your race baiting blinkers for a few moments and respond to Mr. Ramkarran's statements. I think you are quite capable to do that.

"Theoretically Speaking", that's my response.  I sums it up.

So you are concerned primarily with theories or racial hypotheses rather than practical considerations as stated by Mr. Ramkarran.

Don't waste your time, "practical" will be delivered at the polls.  Let's just wait and see.

LOL! I thought you claimed that you were "pragmatic". Sympatizers or supporters of the defectors have historically followed and voted for the defectors or just stay away from the polls. Either way, the PPP/C will looose those votes.

Yes, pragmatism, don't waste time, lets see when the elections are held.  Lets wait and see if you "theory" holds.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Theoretically speaking, it depends on how the people see it.  It was clear the Indians of the AFC were mostly disgruntled former PPPites who felt they were shorted.  With the implosion of the AFC, they have little alternative but to go to the PNC and so they did.  Going to the PNC is merely an attempt to stay relevant in political circles.  The PNC would love any Indian who wants to come over but the Afro-centrist will ensure they are held in check, just ask Vincent Teekah.

 

The PNC/GDF are a danger to the Indians of Guyana.

Perhaps, you could remove your race baiting blinkers for a few moments and respond to Mr. Ramkarran's statements. I think you are quite capable to do that.

"Theoretically Speaking", that's my response.  I sums it up.

So you are concerned primarily with theories or racial hypotheses rather than practical considerations as stated by Mr. Ramkarran.

Don't waste your time, "practical" will be delivered at the polls.  Let's just wait and see.

LOL! I thought you claimed that you were "pragmatic". Sympatizers or supporters of the defectors have historically followed and voted for the defectors or just stay away from the polls. Either way, the PPP/C will looose those votes.

Yes, pragmatism, don't waste time, lets see when the elections are held.  Lets wait and see if you "theory" holds.


A good measure would be Local Government Elections. I wonder why the PPP/C is afraid to call one?

Mitwah
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran should join the popularity contest sponsored by APNU.


Every defection to APNU is another nail in the PPP/C coffin. Why is it that the PPP/C regime is unable to attract the youths and academics?

 

For the PPP the defections from the AFC to APNU are ominous signs. They are not shifts towards the PPP but principled departures to APNU which gains from them and is the winner. For this reason the PPP has nothing to shout about but a great deal of work to do so as to be seen as the party of choice for youth and intellectuals, groups which have been inclining towards the AFC”, Ramkarran, a former two-term Speaker of the National Assembly, said

Theoretically speaking, it depends on how the people see it. 

It was clear the Indians of the AFC were mostly disgruntled former PPPites who felt they were shorted. 

Yes it was Disgruntled PPP supporters who saw the thieving and Corruption under Jagdeo and De Funny Fellas....AND THEY TURNED THEIR BACKS ON THE PPP.

 

With the implosion of the AFC, they have little alternative but to go to the PNC and so they did.  Going to the PNC is merely an attempt to stay relevant in political circles. 

Baseman...... the Disgruntled Indians

have No (ZERO) faith in Jagdeo, Ramotar and De Funny Fellas....

AND THEY TURNED THEIR BACKS ON THE PPP......

 

when you understand and digest this...

you will understand why Indians see and Accept

a PNC without the Black House of Isreal thugs......

 

 as far Better than a PPP

with the Black House of Isreal Thugs, Killers & Rapist.

 

 

The PNC would love any Indian who wants to come over

but the Afro-centrist will ensure they are held in check,

just ask Vincent Teekah.

No....Baseman we cannot ask Teekah or Sash Swah....

They were both Killed by thugs.

 

But we can ask Cammie Ramsaroop,

S S Ramphal or Dr Sahabadeen.....

and your Nephew Anil Nandalall.

 

The PNC/GDF are a danger to the Indians of Guyana.

That's a lie....Baseman your very own nephew Anil....

will tell us the Indians of Guyana

are afraid of the Black House of Isreal

Thugs, Killers & Rapist....

Anil Nandalall was a rising star in the PPP...
Jagdeo cut him down from the PPP Exco....

because A Black Bu@@er B@tty(BBB) could not become a Exco member

 

Jagdeo say Anil and Kwame on same level

Anil say de Indians getting Big Larwa...

 

De Indians are afraid of these House of Isreal Thugs...

not the GDF....Anil party and enjoy eee self at GDF Headquarters

FM
Last edited by Former Member

Since joining in the ranks of the political opposition Ralph Ramkarran's  dotishness has become even more evident. Just a few mornings ago he was shouting praises on the AFC whilst boasting of the PPP's decline. Out comes the news that AFC suffered a few high profile defections and exits and Ramkarran says these are ominous signs for the PPP. It boggles us how with all his years in politics Ramkarran can see the switching of sides by 3 opportunists with no political constituency like himself as a sign of the PPP's decline. In fact the AFC seems least bothered by Tarron Khemraj, Rab Mukraj and Asquith Rose's exit. But why should they be when all they stand to loose are a few newspaper letters?

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Ralph Ramkarran can join the popularity contest if he so desired, and it doesn't worth the shouting. He is beginning to speak from both sides of his mouth.

 Well said Cobra. Ralphie should now ride off into the sunset and enjoy his retirement since it now apparent that he speaks from both sides of his mouth.

 

A rice strainer will be an excellent Christmas gift for this old katahar dog.

 

I remember reading here that he allegedly sold share in a company that was cutting down the forest in Guyana. This Katahar has zero credibility left but like the others they have have become shameless katahar dogs.

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Al Yuh leave Uncle Ralph alone. Deh man gat a right to say what he wants. I just wish he could have said it during to 50 years he was with the PPP

How come you didn't offer the same right to TK to say what he wants? 

FM

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