leave us in the mees we are in today?
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Former Member
No!
TK_REDUX (Guest)
Burnham left GY in big mess...YES. Hoyte...NO. Remember Hoyte started far-reaching reforms from the time Burnham died. I believe Guyana was a safe place to live in from 1989 to 1992. Monica Reese's murder under PPP would mark a turning point for a new era of unprecedented evil in Guyana.
quote:Originally posted by seignet:
leave us in the mees we are in today?
Your answer please!
No!!
THEY LEFT US IN A MESS IN 1992 and the PPP Gov't did thier best to clean it up.
Today there is a different kind of mess that the PPP created, its called 'Get rich quick for ppp party members and a selected few", sad but true!!!
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Chief:quote:Originally posted by seignet:
leave us in the mees we are in today?
Your answer please!
No!!
THEY LEFT US IN A MESS IN 1992 and the PPP Gov't did thier best to clean it up.
Today there is a different kind of mess that the PPP created, its called 'Get rich quick for ppp party members and a selected few", sad but true!!!
Chief, you are totally wrong!!!! Burnham left Guyana in a mess and Hoyte and Carl Greenigde did an excellent job though the ERP, Economic Recovery Program from 1985 to 1992. The economy was booming when the PPP took over in 1992.
Former Member
hoyte was a honest man,the indian people make a good living under his leadership.he protect the guyanese people,when he came into power he hang them high and stop crime in its tracks.he jail the rabbai and kick joe that the ppp is huging.this man had class,big respectquote:Originally posted by Guyanese Patriot:quote:Originally posted by Chief:quote:Originally posted by seignet:
leave us in the mees we are in today?
Your answer please!
No!!
THEY LEFT US IN A MESS IN 1992 and the PPP Gov't did thier best to clean it up.
Today there is a different kind of mess that the PPP created, its called 'Get rich quick for ppp party members and a selected few", sad but true!!!
Chief, you are totally wrong!!!! Burnham left Guyana in a mess and Hoyte and Carl Greenigde did an excellent job though the ERP, Economic Recovery Program from 1985 to 1992. The economy was booming when the PPP took over in 1992.
Former Member
This is why we should all vote PNC, you traitors! 
Former Member
i am a AFC man,i was just stating a fact, you have to give jack is jacketquote:Originally posted by TI:
This is why we should all vote PNC, you traitors!
Former Member
And I say give merit where merit is due.
Vote PNC!
Vote PNC!
Former Member
the pnc still around.after this election the people will bury the PNC and the PPP in one hole,and i have the shovel.quote:Originally posted by TI:
And I say give merit where merit is due.
Vote PNC!
Former Member
quote:hoyte was a honest man,the indian people make a good living under his leadership.he protect the guyanese people,when he came into power he hang them high and stop crime in its tracks.he jail the rabbai and kick joe that the ppp is huging.this man had class,big respect
The historical verdict is not in on the role of Hoyte in Guyanese contempory history.... he was one of the first PNC politicians who was not a member of the PPP in the early 1950's....
Many see Hoyte as an economic reformer after Burnham died but did they stop to consider that it was Hoyte who devalued the Guyana dollar,sold off state holdings like Guyana Timbers in secret deals at below market prices ? etc.....
Many regarded him as being instrumental in curbing crime in the late 1980'/early 1990's and yet he was the one who instigated the violent " mo fiah,slow fiah " campaign against the PPP govt in the late 1990's early 2000's.....
We must not forget too that Hoyte presided over the most outrageous rigging of the elections in 1985 .....
Why did Hoyte abondon the peace arrangements between the PPP and PNC in the late 1985 ?.....
Well said Churchill!!!!
Hoyte had an oppertunity to restore free elections in 1985 but he rigged it, further more if it was not true the intervention of Jimmy Carter, Hoyte and his crew would have still been there.
Something is telling me that the PPP will try to pack the ballot boxes at this election.
Hoyte had an oppertunity to restore free elections in 1985 but he rigged it, further more if it was not true the intervention of Jimmy Carter, Hoyte and his crew would have still been there.
Something is telling me that the PPP will try to pack the ballot boxes at this election.
Currencies are devalued on the insistence of the World's Monetary Funds. The intent is make the countries products more marketable on the global markets.
Alot of PPP propoganda painted a negative image of the PNC years while PPP in opposition.
As for the rigging of elections-who dare questioned the mighty USA on their fight against communism in the hemisphere.
Alot of PPP propoganda painted a negative image of the PNC years while PPP in opposition.
As for the rigging of elections-who dare questioned the mighty USA on their fight against communism in the hemisphere.
Former Member
hoyte is a decent man,any oppisition leader in guyana should take to the street under this ppp rule,and if i tell you what they should do i will get ban from this site.so wth respect to the adm, i will say to each man is own actionquote:Originally posted by Churchill:quote:hoyte was a honest man,the indian people make a good living under his leadership.he protect the guyanese people,when he came into power he hang them high and stop crime in its tracks.he jail the rabbai and kick joe that the ppp is huging.this man had class,big respect
The historical verdict is not in on the role of Hoyte in Guyanese contempory history.... he was one of the first PNC politicians who was not a member of the PPP in the early 1950's....
Many see Hoyte as an economic reformer after Burnham died but did they stop to consider that it was Hoyte who devalued the Guyana dollar,sold off state holdings like Guyana Timbers in secret deals at below market prices ? etc.....
Many regarded him as being instrumental in curbing crime in the late 1980'/early 1990's and yet he was the one who instigated the violent " mo fiah,slow fiah " campaign against the PPP govt in the late 1990's early 2000's.....
We must not forget too that Hoyte presided over the most outrageous rigging of the elections in 1985 .....
Why did Hoyte abondon the peace arrangements between the PPP and PNC in the late 1985 ?.....
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Chief:
Well said Churchill!!!!
Hoyte had an oppertunity to restore free elections in 1985 but he rigged it, further more if it was not true the intervention of Jimmy Carter, Hoyte and his crew would have still been there.
Something is telling me that the PPP will try to pack the ballot boxes at this election.
Jimmy Carter couldn't have intervened if Hoyte didn't allow it. Why isn't Jimmy Carter intervening now with all the atrocities of this PPP administration??
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Churchill:quote:hoyte was a honest man,the indian people make a good living under his leadership.he protect the guyanese people,when he came into power he hang them high and stop crime in its tracks.he jail the rabbai and kick joe that the ppp is huging.this man had class,big respect
Mr. Churchill,
The historical verdict is not in on the role of Hoyte in Guyanese contempory history.... he was one of the first PNC politicians who was not a member of the PPP in the early 1950's....
Many see Hoyte as an economic reformer after Burnham died but did they stop to consider that it was Hoyte who devalued the Guyana dollar,sold off state holdings like Guyana Timbers in secret deals at below market prices ? etc.....
Many regarded him as being instrumental in curbing crime in the late 1980'/early 1990's and yet he was the one who instigated the violent " mo fiah,slow fiah " campaign against the PPP govt in the late 1990's early 2000's.....
We must not forget too that Hoyte presided over the most outrageous rigging of the elections in 1985 .....
Why did Hoyte abondon the peace arrangements between the PPP and PNC in the late 1985 ?.....
Mr. Churchill,
You forgot to mention that Hoyte said that the white woman{the great Janet Jagan} could not beat him in an election and SHE WHIPPED HIS ASS.
That is why he instigated "mo fiah, slow fiah"
Also, he rigged the worst election in Guyana's history... worse than Forbes.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Guyanese Patriot:quote:Originally posted by Chief:
Well said Churchill!!!!
Hoyte had an oppertunity to restore free elections in 1985 but he rigged it, further more if it was not true the intervention of Jimmy Carter, Hoyte and his crew would have still been there.
Something is telling me that the PPP will try to pack the ballot boxes at this election.
Jimmy Carter couldn't have intervened if Hoyte didn't allow it. Why isn't Jimmy Carter intervening now with all the atrocities of this PPP administration??
Guyanese Parrot,
Ya talkin crap. Did you eva see de letta Bush senior write to Hoyte? Den shut ya trap. De Carter center only monita elections. Get off de damn board
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by marlon:quote:Originally posted by Guyanese Patriot:quote:Originally posted by Chief:
Well said Churchill!!!!
Hoyte had an oppertunity to restore free elections in 1985 but he rigged it, further more if it was not true the intervention of Jimmy Carter, Hoyte and his crew would have still been there.
Something is telling me that the PPP will try to pack the ballot boxes at this election.
Jimmy Carter couldn't have intervened if Hoyte didn't allow it. Why isn't Jimmy Carter intervening now with all the atrocities of this PPP administration??
Guyanese Parrot,
Ya talkin crap. Did you eva see de letta Bush senior write to Hoyte? Den shut ya trap. De Carter center only monita elections. Get off de damn board
Why don't you post letter!
Former Member
The senior president Bush wrote a letter to Hoyte telling him that US aid to Guyana would be discontinued if there was no free and fair elections....Senators Teddy Kennedy and Tom Harkin were amongst the many who advised Bush to write that letter....
I do not have a copy but perhaps Marlon might be in a position to obtain a copy and post it here.....
I do not have a copy but perhaps Marlon might be in a position to obtain a copy and post it here.....
Under Burnham it was 10 guyana dollars to 1 US dollar. Under Hoyte it was 200 Guyana dollars to 1 us dollar. The man devalue the dollar.
So it is agreed, it wasn't Burnham who rigged the elections. When the Americans felt it was time for it to end, they simply informed the PNC by letter.
Seignet,
It starts and stop with America!!!
Plain and simple!1
It starts and stop with America!!!
Plain and simple!1
Former Member
the ppp is doing great,they can bring it to par with trinidad or the rest of the caribbean.after all they did say, guyana is the envy of the caribbeanquote:Originally posted by Prashad:
Under Burnham it was 10 guyana dollars to 1 US dollar. Under Hoyte it was 200 Guyana dollars to 1 us dollar. The man devalue the dollar.
Churchie, Hoyte's political history indeed has many contradictions. The 1985 rigged elections and the "slow fiah, mo fiah", being two that are in contradistinction to his efforts to wipe out the "kick down the door" bandits and agreeing to reforms with the Jimmy Carter center that led to the 1992 elections.
The Guyana dollar devaluation however, is not something to knock him for. The Guyana dollar was over valued at G$10 to US$1 when he took over in 1985. What ever you may think of Hoyte's economic performance and the fact that the IMF dictated some of the terms - especially the monetary measures - he did liberalize the economy. And the US foreign aid had dried up to the PL480 wheat program and other minor ones.
Hoyte was never into the socialist nonsense. He might be a social liberal but his economics were market oriented. But alas, his contradictions did him in - his liking for Indo-Guyanese as close advisers notwithstanding.
The Guyana dollar devaluation however, is not something to knock him for. The Guyana dollar was over valued at G$10 to US$1 when he took over in 1985. What ever you may think of Hoyte's economic performance and the fact that the IMF dictated some of the terms - especially the monetary measures - he did liberalize the economy. And the US foreign aid had dried up to the PL480 wheat program and other minor ones.
Hoyte was never into the socialist nonsense. He might be a social liberal but his economics were market oriented. But alas, his contradictions did him in - his liking for Indo-Guyanese as close advisers notwithstanding.
I remember seeing an interview on TV with a senior bank manager during Hoyte's Presidency. The bank manager said that they are working out a deal with the government where parents can borrow money from the banks to pay for tuition at University of Guyana for their children. I ask myself what if the parents poor and cannot do this.
I would certainly not put Hoyte at the same level as Burnham and Jagan. It is like comparing Anup Jalota to Mukesh.
I would certainly not put Hoyte at the same level as Burnham and Jagan. It is like comparing Anup Jalota to Mukesh.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by seignet:
So it is agreed, it wasn't Burnham who rigged the elections. When the Americans felt it was time for it to end, they simply informed the PNC by letter.
Seignet,
you missed the point, Burnham rigged elections. Hoyte's rigging was the worst. It was the first time that the US told the PNC that they must have free and fair elections or they would cut off all aid to Guyana. Hoyte did not want this but the PNC masters spoke and they had to listen. Their masters were embarassed by their continued rigging and dictatorship.
Hoyte actually believed that his rigging would become reality if there were free and fair elections.They rigged so much that they believed it was reality.
But how could they beat the father of the nation, the great Cheddi Jagan, in a free and fair election. Well we saw what happened
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Chief:
Well said Churchill!!!!
Hoyte had an oppertunity to restore free elections in 1985 but he rigged it, further more if it was not true the intervention of Jimmy Carter, Hoyte and his crew would have still been there.
Something is telling me that the PPP will try to pack the ballot boxes at this election.
How can they do that? At every polling station, representatives of political parties will observe the voting, checking names, IDs, etc. At the end of the polling, the box is opened in front of all of them and the votes are counted right there. The results for that box are noted on a declaration form and all the representatives and the returning officer sign it as correct. The signed declaration from is then sent to the Elections Commission. Every party representative at that polling station will know how many votes each party gets after the observed count.
There is no longer the old pre-1992 system when the boxes were collected and taken to a central point to be opened and counted.
Former Member
As long as the ballots can touch human hands they can be rigged. Do you have cameras at each site? Are the ballot of each geographic district different? Do they keep both the spoiled and cast ballots as a control in case there are discrepancies. No.quote:Originally posted by Daren David:quote:Originally posted by Chief:
Well said Churchill!!!!
Hoyte had an oppertunity to restore free elections in 1985 but he rigged it, further more if it was not true the intervention of Jimmy Carter, Hoyte and his crew would have still been there.
Something is telling me that the PPP will try to pack the ballot boxes at this election.
How can they do that? At every polling station, representatives of political parties will observe the voting, checking names, IDs, etc. At the end of the polling, the box is opened in front of all of them and the votes are counted right there. The results for that box are noted on a declaration form and all the representatives and the returning officer sign it as correct. The signed declaration from is then sent to the Elections Commission. Every party representative at that polling station will know how many votes each party gets after the observed count.
There is no longer the old pre-1992 system when the boxes were collected and taken to a central point to be opened and counted.
The PPP only need to pad region 4 with around 8 thousand ballots, 10 with 3500 and Amerind ares with another 3k and the win the majority. They can find ways to cheat. Human ingenuity for corrupt practices is limitless and given the PPP are brazen in their sense of entitlement and perniciously corrupt, one cannot put that pass them.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by D2:As long as the ballots can touch human hands they can be rigged. Do you have cameras at each site? Are the ballot of each geographic district different? Do they keep both the spoiled and cast ballots as a control in case there are discrepancies. No.quote:Originally posted by Daren David:quote:Originally posted by Chief:
Well said Churchill!!!!
Hoyte had an oppertunity to restore free elections in 1985 but he rigged it, further more if it was not true the intervention of Jimmy Carter, Hoyte and his crew would have still been there.
Something is telling me that the PPP will try to pack the ballot boxes at this election.
How can they do that? At every polling station, representatives of political parties will observe the voting, checking names, IDs, etc. At the end of the polling, the box is opened in front of all of them and the votes are counted right there. The results for that box are noted on a declaration form and all the representatives and the returning officer sign it as correct. The signed declaration from is then sent to the Elections Commission. Every party representative at that polling station will know how many votes each party gets after the observed count.
There is no longer the old pre-1992 system when the boxes were collected and taken to a central point to be opened and counted.
The PPP only need to pad region 4 with around 8 thousand ballots, 10 with 3500 and Amerind ares with another 3k and the win the majority. They can find ways to cheat. Human ingenuity for corrupt practices is limitless and given the PPP are brazen in their sense of entitlement and perniciously corrupt, one cannot put that pass them.
Quite a lot of skill and knowledge you have about this!
You think the PPP has that ingenuity? Won't the opposition parties look out for this?
Former Member
It is not about me having knowledge of that system. I do not. However as one with an analytic mind and trained in looking for errors in systems I am sure if I knew it can identify and possibly invent checks to any trying to game the system. I am sure the PPP can and they are not averse to cheating to protect their uncontrolled access to the state as a milk cow. I for one do not trust them and would advise prudence in dealing with them in all things.quote:Originally posted by Daren David:quote:Originally posted by D2:As long as the ballots can touch human hands they can be rigged. Do you have cameras at each site? Are the ballot of each geographic district different? Do they keep both the spoiled and cast ballots as a control in case there are discrepancies. No.quote:Originally posted by Daren David:quote:Originally posted by Chief:
Well said Churchill!!!!
Hoyte had an oppertunity to restore free elections in 1985 but he rigged it, further more if it was not true the intervention of Jimmy Carter, Hoyte and his crew would have still been there.
Something is telling me that the PPP will try to pack the ballot boxes at this election.
How can they do that? At every polling station, representatives of political parties will observe the voting, checking names, IDs, etc. At the end of the polling, the box is opened in front of all of them and the votes are counted right there. The results for that box are noted on a declaration form and all the representatives and the returning officer sign it as correct. The signed declaration from is then sent to the Elections Commission. Every party representative at that polling station will know how many votes each party gets after the observed count.
There is no longer the old pre-1992 system when the boxes were collected and taken to a central point to be opened and counted.
The PPP only need to pad region 4 with around 8 thousand ballots, 10 with 3500 and Amerind ares with another 3k and the win the majority. They can find ways to cheat. Human ingenuity for corrupt practices is limitless and given the PPP are brazen in their sense of entitlement and perniciously corrupt, one cannot put that pass them.
Quite a lot of skill and knowledge you have about this!
If the security is simply in the counting of the votes and not on speculating on system failure otherwise than that is a huge oversight. It is about counting the votes speculating on where they can pad the votes and looking at how the can do it. That is what security people do it. Given that magicians trick people all the time it is clear that slights of hand can be used to pack the box even with people watching and that can be done anywhere there is a vulnerability and by anyone who knows the system.
It was therefore imperative that checks be built into the system. Again if the count count is the check in the system then that is a security travesty.
Former Member
D2 never voted before
Anyway, there is no need for PPP to pad the votes since they have majority votes.
Anyway, there is no need for PPP to pad the votes since they have majority votes.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by D2:It is not about me having knowledge of that system. I do not. However as one with an analytic mind and trained in looking for errors in systems I am sure if I knew it can identify and possibly invent checks to any trying to game the system. I am sure the PPP can and they are not averse to cheating to protect their uncontrolled access to the state as a milk cow. I for one do not trust them and would advise prudence in dealing with them in all things.quote:Originally posted by Daren David:quote:Originally posted by D2:As long as the ballots can touch human hands they can be rigged. Do you have cameras at each site? Are the ballot of each geographic district different? Do they keep both the spoiled and cast ballots as a control in case there are discrepancies. No.quote:Originally posted by Daren David:quote:Originally posted by Chief:
Well said Churchill!!!!
Hoyte had an oppertunity to restore free elections in 1985 but he rigged it, further more if it was not true the intervention of Jimmy Carter, Hoyte and his crew would have still been there.
Something is telling me that the PPP will try to pack the ballot boxes at this election.
How can they do that? At every polling station, representatives of political parties will observe the voting, checking names, IDs, etc. At the end of the polling, the box is opened in front of all of them and the votes are counted right there. The results for that box are noted on a declaration form and all the representatives and the returning officer sign it as correct. The signed declaration from is then sent to the Elections Commission. Every party representative at that polling station will know how many votes each party gets after the observed count.
There is no longer the old pre-1992 system when the boxes were collected and taken to a central point to be opened and counted.
The PPP only need to pad region 4 with around 8 thousand ballots, 10 with 3500 and Amerind ares with another 3k and the win the majority. They can find ways to cheat. Human ingenuity for corrupt practices is limitless and given the PPP are brazen in their sense of entitlement and perniciously corrupt, one cannot put that pass them.
Quite a lot of skill and knowledge you have about this!
If the security is simply in the counting of the votes and not on speculating on system failure otherwise than that is a huge oversight. It is about counting the votes speculating on where they can pad the votes and looking at how the can do it. That is what security people do it. Given that magicians trick people all the time it is clear that slights of hand can be used to pack the box even with people watching and that can be done anywhere there is a vulnerability and by anyone who knows the system.
It was therefore imperative that checks be built into the system. Again if the count count is the check in the system then that is a security travesty.
Aren't these a lot of suppositions? The Elections Commission (especially the three opposition members and the Chairman) surely must have been told of all types of scenarios (now that yours is added) to guard against.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by D2:
As long as the ballots can touch human hands they can be rigged. Do you have cameras at each site? Are the ballot of each geographic district different? Do they keep both the spoiled and cast ballots as a control in case there are discrepancies. No.
The PPP only need to pad region 4 with around 8 thousand ballots, 10 with 3500 and Amerind ares with another 3k and the win the majority. They can find ways to cheat. Human ingenuity for corrupt practices is limitless and given the PPP are brazen in their sense of entitlement and perniciously corrupt, one cannot put that pass them.
CORRECT!
As D2 noted, there is no need for the PPP to engage in 'massive' fraud - a little bit of strategic rigging is all that is required to thwart the will of the People.
I don't know if anybody is paying attention, but the chain of custody for ballots cast by the Disciplined Services (voting 1 week early) leaves much to be desired.
There are huge (obvious) holes for PPP skullduggery . . . I hope I am proved wrong.
Surujbally is compromised, IMHO . . . GECOM will do its job honorably only insofar as the Opposition is looking over its collective shoulder - LIKE A HAWK!!
Former Member
The opacity of what they do befuddles me. I would appreciate if you know these precautionary methodologies being used and already in place that you inform us so we can not speculate wildly but directly with respect to what exists. After all the PPP emulated the past PNC very closely to date so we must abide by the precautionary principle.quote:Originally posted by Daren David:quote:Originally posted by D2:It is not about me having knowledge of that system. I do not. However as one with an analytic mind and trained in looking for errors in systems I am sure if I knew it can identify and possibly invent checks to any trying to game the system. I am sure the PPP can and they are not averse to cheating to protect their uncontrolled access to the state as a milk cow. I for one do not trust them and would advise prudence in dealing with them in all things.quote:Originally posted by Daren David:quote:Originally posted by D2:As long as the ballots can touch human hands they can be rigged. Do you have cameras at each site? Are the ballot of each geographic district different? Do they keep both the spoiled and cast ballots as a control in case there are discrepancies. No.quote:Originally posted by Daren David:quote:Originally posted by Chief:
Well said Churchill!!!!
Hoyte had an oppertunity to restore free elections in 1985 but he rigged it, further more if it was not true the intervention of Jimmy Carter, Hoyte and his crew would have still been there.
Something is telling me that the PPP will try to pack the ballot boxes at this election.
How can they do that? At every polling station, representatives of political parties will observe the voting, checking names, IDs, etc. At the end of the polling, the box is opened in front of all of them and the votes are counted right there. The results for that box are noted on a declaration form and all the representatives and the returning officer sign it as correct. The signed declaration from is then sent to the Elections Commission. Every party representative at that polling station will know how many votes each party gets after the observed count.
There is no longer the old pre-1992 system when the boxes were collected and taken to a central point to be opened and counted.
The PPP only need to pad region 4 with around 8 thousand ballots, 10 with 3500 and Amerind ares with another 3k and the win the majority. They can find ways to cheat. Human ingenuity for corrupt practices is limitless and given the PPP are brazen in their sense of entitlement and perniciously corrupt, one cannot put that pass them.
Quite a lot of skill and knowledge you have about this!
If the security is simply in the counting of the votes and not on speculating on system failure otherwise than that is a huge oversight. It is about counting the votes speculating on where they can pad the votes and looking at how the can do it. That is what security people do it. Given that magicians trick people all the time it is clear that slights of hand can be used to pack the box even with people watching and that can be done anywhere there is a vulnerability and by anyone who knows the system.
It was therefore imperative that checks be built into the system. Again if the count count is the check in the system then that is a security travesty.
Aren't these a lot of suppositions? The Elections Commission (especially the three opposition members and the Chairman) surely must have been told of all types of scenarios (now that yours is added) to guard against.
Former Member
All these fools are looking for an excuses to proclaim the elections as fraudulent when the PPP trounce then at the polls. This is called forward thinking to save face. ahahhahaa
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by seignet:
leave us in the mees we are in today?
Your answer please!
What mess are we in? People are getting rich in Guyana. That's a mess?
quote:Originally posted by Daren David:
.....At every polling station, representatives of political parties will observe the voting, checking names, IDs, etc. At the end of the polling, the box is opened in front of all of them and the votes are counted right there. The results for that box are noted on a declaration form and all the representatives and the returning officer sign it as correct. The signed declaration from is then sent to the Elections Commission. Every party representative at that polling station will know how many votes each party gets after the observed count.
There is no longer the old pre-1992 system when the boxes were collected and taken to a central point to be opened and counted.
Will the boxes be opened to show they are empty at the start of the voting process?
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