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Commentary: A breakthrough and a gamble

Feb 15, 2015
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By Dr. David Hinds

Although I remain skeptical about the coalition strategy, I do welcome the compact between the two parties as a reflection of a hitherto elusive political maturity on the part of the leaderships of the APNU and the AFC. The leaderships of the APNU and the AFC should be commended for this brave step, in particular the AFC for conceding the top spot. It clearly took a lot give and take to arrive at the pact. From the attempt of the PCD in the run- up to the 1992 elections to the formation of the APNU prior to the 2011 election, the formation of a broad anti-incumbent pact had proved elusive. The breakthrough this time around seems to have been driven by a combination of intense pressure from the followers of the opposition parties, some degree of enlightened leadership, the absolute inflexibility of the current PPP and the prospect its consequent vulnerability within its traditional constituency.
In our ethnic circumstances, the pact represents the fairest allocation of leadership responsibility that could be arrived at. The AFC has been allotted more than its electoral strength from the last election. This would offset the fact that it did not get the symbolic leader slot which it went into the negotiations thinking was crucial to both the success of the coalition and its own ability to convince its mainly Indian Guyanese supporters of its correctness. The APNU, on the other hand, got the top leadership spot, which some of us felt is critical for mobilizing a large turn out to the polls by the African Guyanese electorate.
Now it is time to sell the idea to the two ethnic communities. From my rough calculations the coalition would have to garner approximately 40,000-60,000 more votes than it got at the last election in order to win a plurality this time around. This is assuming that the PPP’s share of the votes remains the same or declines. I think the bulk of the coalition’s additional votes would have to come from the African Guyanese community, which means getting more voters to the poll. This is a challenge, but with Granger at the helm and a healing of the leadership wounds in PNC-APNU leadership, it is doable.
The big challenge for the coalition would be to convince the Indian Guyanese supporters of the AFC and another 10,000 disaffected PPP voters. This would have to be done in the face of an unprecedented PPP race-baiting campaign. The Granger-led coalition ironically robs the PPP of a toe-to-toe slug out with an erstwhile comrade, which it relished. Nevertheless, the coalition, in particular the AFC component, would still be up against the powerful message of β€œthe traitor sleeping with the historical enemy.”
In the final analysis the coalition is both a breakthrough and a gamble. A breakthrough because it puts before the electorate a clear choice between the discredited PPP and a united opposition; something we have never had. The symbolism of joint-ness is powerful in circumstances where ethnic communities feel a common sense of victimhood. The usual stubborn ethnic barriers tend to be relaxed. But do both ethnic communities feel the same sense of victimhood and abuse by the PPP. This is where the coalition becomes a gamble.
We are not sure whether a large enough portion of the Indian Guyanese electorate feel sufficiently abused and victimized to lead them to cast their votes for a coalition led by an African Guyanese leader who comes from the PNC. If they do, then a new history would be made. If they do not, then, at worst, the PPP could well be returned as a majority party and at best retains the plurality. It is not a foregone conclusion.
Finally, the coalition may be guided the theory that African Guyanese are so battered by the PPP they would be automatically fired up to go to the poll in huge numbers. But a battered community could also become a cynical community that turns its back on the electoral solution. From my own reading of the African Guyanese community, there is both enthusiasm and cynicism.
The coalition, especially Granger and the APNU, would have a lot of convincing to do among their traditional constituency that they are worthy of another round of confidence in view of what many African Guyanese perceive as a mishandling of the partial gift they got at the last election. It would take a united front of all sections of the African Guyanese leadership to convince that community that this time around it would be different. Both ethnic communities would be gauging each other. Hence, the coalition is challenged to show swift momentum in both communities. I have not even dealt with the Amerindian vote here. The challenging work begins now.

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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Absolutely, THis is a very good first step. I am glad he sees it that way and did not include his usual racist, slanted ways.

 

He's skeptical because he thinks this "coalition" cannot withstand the tsunami of "apaan jaat"

Nothing wrong with being skeptical. The main thing is that he is willing to give it a chance. I like his new approach. I was expecting him to rant about the PNC oldtimers who are being left out in the cold or some other issue.

Nehru
Last edited by Nehru
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Absolutely, THis is a very good first step. I am glad he sees it that way and did not include his usual racist, slanted ways.

He's skeptical because he thinks this "coalition" cannot withstand the tsunami of "apaan jaat"

his skepticism is principled and rational . . .

 

informed, of course, by contemplating the antics of "apaan jaat" spear carriers like u

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Absolutely, THis is a very good first step. I am glad he sees it that way and did not include his usual racist, slanted ways.

 

He's skeptical because he thinks this "coalition" cannot withstand the tsunami of "apaan jaat"

He is skeptical because he truly believes in African domination. He has said this time and time again he is extremely pro african and any culmination of defeating the racists on all sides essentially neutralizes his game.

 

Therefore hinds will never be happy with any kind of coming together of races in Guyana to create mutual respect in GY.

 

Read all of his letters in the papers and you will get a real feeling for who David Hinds is.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Absolutely, THis is a very good first step. I am glad he sees it that way and did not include his usual racist, slanted ways.

 

He's skeptical because he thinks this "coalition" cannot withstand the tsunami of "apaan jaat"

He is skeptical now prior he said APNU

should contest alone,hoping the AFC

gets more indian votes,and bingo

APNU wins.

Django
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Absolutely, THis is a very good first step. I am glad he sees it that way and did not include his usual racist, slanted ways.

 

He's skeptical because he thinks this "coalition" cannot withstand the tsunami of "apaan jaat"

He is skeptical now prior he said APNU

should contest alone,hoping the AFC

gets more indian votes,and bingo

APNU wins.

 

That would have been an infinitely more doable strategy than asking a huge segment of the Indian population to vote PNC.

FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Absolutely, THis is a very good first step. I am glad he sees it that way and did not include his usual racist, slanted ways.

 

He's skeptical because he thinks this "coalition" cannot withstand the tsunami of "apaan jaat"

He is skeptical because he truly believes in African domination. He has said this time and time again he is extremely pro african and any culmination of defeating the racists on all sides essentially neutralizes his game.

 

Therefore hinds will never be happy with any kind of coming together of races in Guyana to create mutual respect in GY.

 

Read all of his letters in the papers and you will get a real feeling for who David Hinds is.

I read a few can't digest,he is too bias.

Django
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Absolutely, THis is a very good first step. I am glad he sees it that way and did not include his usual racist, slanted ways.

 

He's skeptical because he thinks this "coalition" cannot withstand the tsunami of "apaan jaat"

He is skeptical now prior he said APNU

should contest alone,hoping the AFC

gets more indian votes,and bingo

APNU wins.

 

That would have been an infinitely more doable strategy than asking a huge segment of the Indian population to vote PNC.

Either way APNU wins,now the winning question which

is better to erase the indian "Fear" APNU/AFC or APNU.

Django
Originally Posted by redux:

i think you guys are being unfair to David Hinds

 

i have yet to see anyone post (on this BB) the damning racial shyte y'all accuse him of writing

 

some here are simply bandwagoneering on a manufactured Afro demon trip

 

please put up or shut up

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to my own opinion.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by redux:

i think you guys are being unfair to David Hinds

 

i have yet to see anyone post (on this BB) the damning racial shyte y'all accuse him of writing

 

some here are simply bandwagoneering on a manufactured Afro demon trip

 

please put up or shut up

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to my own opinion.

indeed!

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by redux:

i think you guys are being unfair to David Hinds

 

i have yet to see anyone post (on this BB) the damning racial shyte y'all accuse him of writing

 

some here are simply bandwagoneering on a manufactured Afro demon trip

 

please put up or shut up

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to my own opinion.

indeed!

Django

Apaan Jaat: Then and now

July 18, 2012 | By | Filed Under Features / Columnists, Freddie Kissoon 

The PPP has been in power since 1992. And with each passing day, the mirror reveals its hidden tales. As the years come and go, the sixties have been made simple, ironically by the PPP, for those who didn’t know about that period. But more importantly for those who were brought up to think that the sixties was a period of violence and racial hate instigated by a bad organization named the PNC against a school of good humans named the PPP. This historical caricature was virtually preserved as the precious national truth by the autobiography of Dr. Cheddi Jagan, β€œThe West on Trial.” This preserved β€œtruth” lasted from the middle sixties until the middle nineties. For almost three decades, β€œThe West on Trial” was the only bible available to Guyanese on what happened in the first half of the 1960s. It was like a village that had several lawyers, doctors, teachers, accountants, engineers, business people who built it and made it into a modern economy. Then one day, one of the businessmen who were there from the beginning decided to write the history of the village. And the pages from start to end are filled with grand patriotism of the businessman and his family and no one else. Even though the canvas painted by β€œThe West on Trial” has been seriously dented by recent books of formidable scholarship, the real facts and the essential truths about the sixties come from the type of rule we have seen from the PPP itself since 1992. It has become a revelation to the post-1970 generation in this land, of the devious and selfish role the PPP played in the cause of the conflicts of the first half of the 1960s, now that we see what it is made of in the 21st century. We were brought up to think that racial hostility was the exclusive preserve of Mr. Burnham and his party, the PNC. The story of who invented the slogan β€œApaan Jaat” was that it was done to harm the PPP. The story of how crazy about power the opposition was, rested in the attitudes of the PNC. The story of who made their party more powerful than Guyana itself was that it was the Machiavellian dream of the PNC. The story of how the media could be used to incite ethnic conflagration was the example of the opposition-controlled Argosy. And there were lots more tales and sagas and dramas of the bad guy (PNC) inventing evil things to harm the good guy (PPP). More than forty years after β€œThe West on Trial” was written, the nature of the exercise of power by the PPP has revealed to this nation who really was the culprit of the sixties. The signs are graphic and compelling. The PPP and β€œThe West on Trial” didn’t tell us the whole truth. Was Apaan Jaat (to each his own) the work of the PPP’s enemies from 1957 until 1964? The answer is no. At every election since 1992, the bottom-house meetings of the PPP are filed with the smoke and fire of Apaan Jaat. It was the PPP that openly said that race intimidation by the opposition was present in the 2011 election. No other party accused any other of racial violence during the voting. A nasty, racist editorial in the Chronicle has been met with total silence in Freedom House. Maybe silence means approval. Is this the party that told us people used Apaan Jaat against them in the sixties? Young Guyanese were serenaded with large volumes of PNC’s use of violence against the PPP during the sixties. But from 2001 onwards, State violence included marauding drug barons facilitated by ruling politicians that were used to kill a large amount of citizens, suggesting that the PPP was no innocent victim of the sixties, but may in fact have been the instigators. Cheddi Jagan cried tears that reached every ocean in the world of how dangerous the media was in the sixties and that under Peter Taylor, the Argosy incited violence against his government and party. But the Chronicle under the same PPP in 2012 has made Peter Taylor look like a schoolboy journalist. And finally, what about power? Who was more obsessed with having power in the sixties? The same PPP that put the blame on the PNC is the party that has been in office since 1992. For this columnist, the terminologies of dictatorship and fascism are useful tools in understanding just how crazy the PPP is about power. And one would like to think it was like that in the sixties.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

β€œApaan Jaat”

 

A slogan perpetuated by the late Forbes Burnham to harm the PPP.

DG

 

Burnham coined this term to whip up racial tensions.

And also one should remember that β€œApaan Jaat” is profound statement by Forbes Burnham.

 

For his statement solidify the approach of the PNC for ages ... β€œApaan Jaat” ... always maintain your votes for the PNC.

 

Issue is, whether one accepts it or not, the current trend applies to both major political organizations.

 

While one would rightly state that Indo-Guyanese primarily vote for the PPP/C, it is also correct that Afro-Guyanese vote for the PNC.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Absolutely, THis is a very good first step. I am glad he sees it that way and did not include his usual racist, slanted ways.

 

He's skeptical because he thinks this "coalition" cannot withstand the tsunami of "apaan jaat"

Actually he like me thinks that defeat isn't inevitable, provided that APNU/AFC do their work.

 

The coalition have to provide a new vision of Guyanese politics to re-interest the 60k thousand people who either stopped voting or never bothered.

 

Even I all 10k Nagamootoo PPP voters return to Ramotar out of fright, of the coalition can tap into some of those potential voters they can win.

 

These are people who think that voting is a waste of time and that the PPP, PNC, and AFC, in their old forms are useless.

 

Granger and Nagamootoo need to excite Guyanese the way that Cheddi and Burnham did 62 years ago.  It isn't inevitable because after being let down for 60 years, Guyanese are way more cynical about the process than they were then.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

β€œApaan Jaat”

 

A slogan perpetuated by the late Forbes Burnham to harm the PPP.

Oh yes Burnham was fluent in Hindi and also knew how fluent his support base is.

 

This is a PPP slogan that was aimed corralling the Indian vote after the Burnham split.  And you know this.  When Burnham left he took some Indians with him.  The PPP wanted to ensure that Indians didn't split their votes with the UF or with the Burnhamite Indians.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Actually he like me thinks that defeat isn't inevitable, provided that APNU/AFC do their work.

 

The coalition have to provide a new vision of Guyanese politics to re-interest the 60k thousand people who either stopped voting or never bothered.

 

Even I all 10k Nagamootoo PPP voters return to Ramotar out of fright, of the coalition can tap into some of those potential voters they can win.

 

These are people who think that voting is a waste of time and that the PPP, PNC, and AFC, in their old forms are useless.

 

Granger and Nagamootoo need to excite Guyanese the way that Cheddi and Burnham did 62 years ago.  It isn't inevitable because after being let down for 60 years, Guyanese are way more cynical about the process than they were then.

banna, u so wanna have it every which way, eh?

 

lol

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

β€œApaan Jaat”

 

A slogan perpetuated by the late Forbes Burnham to harm the PPP.

Oh yes Burnham was fluent in Hindi and also knew how fluent his support base is.

 

This is a PPP slogan that was aimed corralling the Indian vote after the Burnham split.  And you know this.  When Burnham left he took some Indians with him.  The PPP wanted to ensure that Indians didn't split their votes with the UF or with the Burnhamite Indians.

The slogan - β€œApaan Jaat” - was first coined and used by Forbes Burnham.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
.

And also one should remember that β€œApaan Jaat” is profound statement by Forbes Burnham.

 

.

Lying doesn't suit you.

 

1.  The ethnic demography in BG didn't assign a racial advantage to the majority African PNC.  The PNC would have only been able to win in an election if it split the Indian vote. In those days seats were allocated by winner take all electoral districts most being in the rural coastal areas, giving the PPP an obvious advantage. 

 

So what did Burnham have to gain by mounting an explicitly race based election?  Obviously it was the PPP which had the most to gain.

 

In fact the PR system was developed to reduce this advantage and to allow a PNC/UF alliance to command the most votes in 1964.

 

2.  When Burnham left he took some Indians with him.  Maybe there was fissure between the middle class urban Christian/Muslim Indians vs. the rural Hindus.

 

3. The PPP transformed itself from a party which sought victory from cross ethnic alliance among the working class to cross class alliances within the Indian community.  With most African working class leaving the PPP needed to consolidate the Indian vote to ensure victory, and was afraid that some would leak to the PNC, or to other my capitalistic oriented parties.

 

Some right wing racist Indian group developed the slogan and the PPP adopted it.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
 

The slogan - β€œApaan Jaat” - was first coined and used by Forbes Burnham.

Oh gentle man of ignorance.  Burnham couldn't rig elections in the late 50s or early 60s. There were more Indians than Africans, and there were also more rural coastal seats than urban seats.

 

So why would Burnham wage a race based political strategy which would have doomed him to defeat at a time when he couldn't manipulate the results?  He could only win if he split the Indian vote, so he couldn't wage a race based campaign.

 

The PPP with the large Indian vote could win, just on this alone, knowing that the Portuguese, Chinese and coloreds weren't going to support Burnham, reducing his voting base even further.

 

So why would the PNC and not the PPP wage a race based political war?

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Actually he like me thinks that defeat isn't inevitable, provided that APNU/AFC do their work.

 

The coalition have to provide a new vision of Guyanese politics to re-interest the 60k thousand people who either stopped voting or never bothered.

 

Even I all 10k Nagamootoo PPP voters return to Ramotar out of fright, of the coalition can tap into some of those potential voters they can win.

 

These are people who think that voting is a waste of time and that the PPP, PNC, and AFC, in their old forms are useless.

 

Granger and Nagamootoo need to excite Guyanese the way that Cheddi and Burnham did 62 years ago.  It isn't inevitable because after being let down for 60 years, Guyanese are way more cynical about the process than they were then.

banna, u so wanna have it every which way, eh?

 

lol

I am sure that you didn't read a thing.  You saw that I wrote it so you oppose it.

 

 

You see unlike you so stuck in dogma that you cannot budge I accept what Nagamootoo did, even though I have my concerns.  Having driven his car into a ditch he needs to get it out.  I offered my opinions last night, and here comes David Hinds with many of the same solutions.

 

Brilliant way to win an election when all your opponent needs to do is to engage in racial panic and woo 5k more votes.

 

If the AFC/APNU doesn't focus on wooing every anti PPP supporter that they can find then it is simple.  They will lose as the PPP is already engaged in racial panic, vote buying, and voter suppression tactics and have 3 months to perfect it.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

And also one should remember that β€œApaan Jaat” is profound statement by Forbes Burnham.

Lying doesn't suit you.

 

1.  The ethnic demography in BG didn't assign a racial advantage to the majority African PNC.  The PNC would have only been able to win in an election if it split the Indian vote. In those days seats were allocated by winner take all electoral districts most being in the rural coastal areas, giving the PPP an obvious advantage. 

 

So what did Burnham have to gain by mounting an explicitly race based election?  Obviously it was the PPP which had the most to gain.

 

In fact the PR system was developed to reduce this advantage and to allow a PNC/UF alliance to command the most votes in 1964.

 

2.  When Burnham left he took some Indians with him.  Maybe there was fissure between the middle class urban Christian/Muslim Indians vs. the rural Hindus.

 

3. The PPP transformed itself from a party which sought victory from cross ethnic alliance among the working class to cross class alliances within the Indian community.  With most African working class leaving the PPP needed to consolidate the Indian vote to ensure victory, and was afraid that some would leak to the PNC, or to other my capitalistic oriented parties.

 

Some right wing racist Indian group developed the slogan and the PPP adopted it.

Your entire statement is unrelated to the issue ...

 

... β€œApaan Jaat”  ... statement used by Forbes Burnham."

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Actually he like me thinks that defeat isn't inevitable, provided that APNU/AFC do their work.

 

The coalition have to provide a new vision of Guyanese politics to re-interest the 60k thousand people who either stopped voting or never bothered.

 

Even I all 10k Nagamootoo PPP voters return to Ramotar out of fright, of the coalition can tap into some of those potential voters they can win.

 

These are people who think that voting is a waste of time and that the PPP, PNC, and AFC, in their old forms are useless.

 

Granger and Nagamootoo need to excite Guyanese the way that Cheddi and Burnham did 62 years ago.  It isn't inevitable because after being let down for 60 years, Guyanese are way more cynical about the process than they were then.

banna, u so wanna have it every which way, eh?

 

lol

I am sure that you didn't read a thing.  You saw that I wrote it so you oppose it.

 

 

You see unlike you so stuck in dogma that you cannot budge I accept what Nagamootoo did, even though I have my concerns.  Having driven his car into a ditch he needs to get it out.  I offered my opinions last night, and here comes David Hinds with many of the same solutions.

 

Brilliant way to win an election when all your opponent needs to do is to engage in racial panic and woo 5k more votes.

 

If the AFC/APNU doesn't focus on wooing every anti PPP supporter that they can find then it is simple.  They will lose as the PPP is already engaged in racial panic, vote buying, and voter suppression tactics and have 3 months to perfect it.

nah, i read every line

FM

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