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East Indians globally are more prone to suicide than races

December 5, 2015 | By | Filed Under Letters 
 

Dear Editor,
Much has been said about the recent spate of suicides in Guyana, with many commentators speculating about whether or not any one ethnic group or social class is predisposed to such a terrifying end.  The much publicized incidents of two young women who in the past months, and another a few years back, hurling themselves to their deaths off the Kaieteur Falls, have brought the issue of suicide back into full glare.  All three victims were of East Indian extraction, and at the time of their deaths were in the prime of their lives.  Their deaths left many to wonder about what had driven them to such extreme actions, when all seemed well on the outside.
The deaths of these three young women at the Kaieteur Falls represent just a miniscule fraction of the number of Indo-Guyanese who have committed suicides.  These particular incidents garnered much more attention than the others, simply because of the location and the chilling manner in which the suicides occurred.  We tend to view with less empathy and sympathy, and just as quickly forget the deaths of the many who consume poison in some remote back dam setting, or those who hang themselves while the rest of their families are sound asleep.
Just why is Guyana experiencing an upsurge in suicides?  Why is there so much despair and hopelessness at the individual level?  Could it be that our understanding of what constitutes the β€œgood life” is in some way warped?  Why is it that when our personal aspirations become elusive, we cannot find further purpose in our lives?  How fickle have our personalities become that a momentary setback, an insult or fall from grace can beckon our own end? Are we holding on to just too many unrealistic expectations of life?
Health officials have said that the situation of suicides in Guyana has reached crisis level, and therefore demands the most urgent of attention from the government.  Earlier this year, a study conducted by the Mibicuri Community Developers organization in East Berbice concluded that as much as 80% of all suicide victims are Indo-Guyanese, with 69% being Hindus.  These figures are disproportionately higher than the ethnic demographic distributions in Guyana.
Guyana is not the only country with a significant East Indian population, to experience such a disproportionate level of suicides among this particular ethnic group.  Malaysia (Maniam, 2014), Fiji (Haynes, 1984), Mauritius (Goorah, et al, 2013) and Britain (Ineichen, 2008) all reveal the same trends.   India itself has very high rates of suicides when compared to other South Asian countries or Europe for that matter.   Studies in these countries indicate a link between suicides among Indians and persistent poverty, alcoholism and mental illness.  Can it then be inferred that East Indians, whether in the Indian sub-continent or elsewhere in the Diaspora, are more predisposed to suicidal tendencies, than any other ethnic group within the respective countries?
The Indo-Guyanese often gets caught between these ideological pillars, being bold enough to experiment and test cultural norms and boundaries, and in so doing make and battle their own demons. Suicide among Indians in Guyana may be the highest among any multi-ethnic / multi-cultural country, based on the fact that Guyana has the highest suicide rates globally.   Life in Guyana is becoming ever more fast-paced, putting more pressures on the ties we have to conservative Indian culture.   The advent of social media now places the formerly timid person in the public glare, and bombards him/ her with unwelcome opportunities for self-evaluation and.
It will be a tough fight to deconstruct the mental model that says failure is final and to replace that with something that says it is only a bend or a rut in the road that we call β€œlife”.  Many persons, who chose suicide as a way out, were often not inclined to open up about their problems.  How then can we get to the vulnerable to share a message of hope and to address this scourge?  What exactly has worked in the many suicide-prevention programmes that were started?
I may be wrong, but I want to believe that taking an institutional approach to the problem will not bear the kind of results we want.  We need to know what kinds of social channels the vulnerable are inclined to communicate through.  Among Indo-Guyanese, organized religion and their social structures play an important role.  They have an affinity for their mandirs, mosques and churches, and tend to trust their somewhat informal environment more than the environment of institutions.  Therefore, it may be possible that our social programmes will fare better if we empower and resource these community-based religious organizations to work with the vulnerable, and to help us curb the scourge of suicides.  Health and social protection officials may want to review their strategies and to give more thought to how religious and social organizations can join, even lead the fight.
Khemraj Tulsie

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The much publicized incidents of two young women who in the past months, and another a few years back, hurling themselves to their deaths off the Kaieteur Falls, have brought the issue of suicide back into full glare.  All three victims were of East Indian extraction, and at the time of their deaths were in the prime of their lives.

FM

Is Bollywood  creating the mindset or reflecting a cultural bias?  Hinduism view suicide as the worst form of abuse resulting in a backward movement in the next life, yet many Hindus use it as a way out.  The Tamil Tigers (Hindus) used suicide bombers much more than Islamic Jihadist.

What is causing this causing this dichotomy?

FM
baseman posted:

Is Bollywood  creating the mindset or reflecting a cultural bias?  Hinduism view suicide as the worst form of abuse resulting in a backward movement in the next life, yet many Hindus use it as a way out.  The Tamil Tigers (Hindus) used suicide bombers much more than Islamic Jihadist.

What is causing this causing this dichotomy?

Bollywood has/had its shares of suicide, if I know the answer to the cause, then I would have been a very needed person in the world

Bollywood Suicide Lists, Jiah Khan, Viveka Babajee, Divya Bharti, Guru Dutt, Kuljeet Randhawa, Parveen Bhabi, Vasha Bhosle (daughter of Asha Bhosle) and a few more.........

FM

Essequibo businessman goes berserk

Sunil Singh

Sunil Singh

– drinks poison, drowns self

 

Following a heated argument with his brother, an Essequibo businessman guzzled down a large quantity of poisonous substance then attempted to drown himself in a tank of water, which eventually resulted in his death.

Dead is Sunil Singh, 31, of Henrietta Village, Region Two.

Guyana Times understands the father of one and his brother were engrossed in a heated argument on Saturday following which he swallowed the poisonous substance.

According to a relative, the brothers were arguing when Singh walked away and went into his storeroom. At that time relatives were trying to pacify the other brother.

Eventually, when they went to check on Singh they discovered him drinking the poisonous substance.

Efforts were made to snatch the bottle away, but he ran and reportedly attempted to drown himself by dunking his head in a tank of water.

Relatives succeeded in restraining him and immediately rushed him to the Suddie Public Hospital. There he battled for his life until he succumbed one day later.

Singh leaves to mourn his wife and seven-year-old son. His body is at the Suddie Mortuary awaiting post mortem.

FM

Suicide: A silent epidemic

Dear Editor,
A lack of public awareness and too few explanatory frameworks and preventive efforts specifically targeting suicide have made a major public health problem largely invisible.
Suicide is the act of intentionally causing one’s own death and is often carried out as a result of many reasons such as but not limited to despair, it may be attributed to a mental disorder such as depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, alcoholism, or drug abuse and as well as stress factors. According to a recent report from Geneva/Washington, DC, (PAHO/WHO) – More than 800,000 people around the world die from suicide every year – around one person every 40 seconds – according to WHO’s first global report on suicide prevention. It was said some 75 per cent of suicides occur in low- and middle-income countries.
In the Americas, the average estimated suicide rate is 7.3 per 100,000 inhabitants, which is lower than in other WHO regions and lower than the global average of 11.4 per 100,000. However, Guyana has the highest estimated suicide rate for 2012 in the world, and Suriname has the sixth-highest. Data from the Americas show that suicide rates first peak among young people, remain at the same level for other age groups, and rise again among older men. Rates of suicide have increased by 60 per cent from the 1960s to 2012,with these increases seen primarily in the developing world.
Globally, as of 2008/2009, suicide is the tenth leading cause of death. For every suicide that results in death there are between 10 and 40 attempted suicides. About 40 per cent of people who commit suicide in Guyana poison themselves by consuming agricultural pesticides.
Guyana’s has trended high for suicide on several international surveys and though the Government has at various times said the problem was being seriously addressed, it doesn’t seem to have had any impact.
The new WHO report identifies a series of measures that can help prevent suicide. These include creating national strategies for suicide prevention, restricting access to the most common means of suicide, including pesticides, firearms and certain medicines, and providing medical follow-up for people who have attempted suicide.
Risk factors are often confused with warning signs of suicide, and frequently suicide prevention materials mix the two lists of β€œwhat to watch out for.” It is important to note, however, that factors identified as increasing risks are not factors that cause or predict a suicide attempt. Risk factors are characteristics that make it more likely that an individual will consider, attempt, or die by suicide. Protective factors are characteristics that make it less likely that individuals will consider, attempt, or die by suicide.
It should be noted that we do not fully understand the complexity of suicide. This makes it particularly challenging to develop effective prevention programmes that can address the high rates of suicide within the population.
In our attempt to eradicate suicide we would like to recommend building public awareness, refining explanatory frameworks, implementing preventive strategies and undertaking research, through ongoing medical and mental health care relationships, improving skills in problem solving, conflict resolution and handling problems in a non-violent way, cultural and religious beliefs that discourage suicide and support self-preservation.
On Thursday, August 6, 2013, the Guyana Police Force launched its Inter-Agency Suicide Prevention Help Line, in which it helps persons who suffer from depression or any concerned person can call to get help for the affected person. The Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Social Protection, the Private Sector, and other social partners are all working together to fight this terrible endemic.
If you know someone who has attempted suicide or show signs of depression over a long period of time, Please be that one to make a difference, call and save a life today. We can all work together to help prevent suicide.

 

Dr Osafo Savory

FM

Part of the problem is the "Eastern Shame Culture" that East Indians have.  Shame has been a deterrent to crime in society since it pressures the individual to refrain from certain acts and certain conditions. Too much of it can be problem that can result in hurting oneself. The other reason for suicide is clinical depression.  Modern psychiatry have identified that hormones in the brain that control our moods. An imbalance of hormones in our brain can trigger off a serious episode of depression that can make one suicidal. It's a fact that 20% of severely depressed people in the US commit suicide.  

Billy Ram Balgobin

Transgender Sex Worker kills self over abusive relationship

December 7, 2015 12:24 pm Category: latest news A+ /A-

Dead: Desmond Lyken

Dead: Desmond Lyken

[www.inewsguyana.com] – The Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) community was plunged into a state of shock and mourning when one of its own committed suicide.

Dead is Desmond Lyken also known as β€˜Desiree’ who ingested poison last week. She died at the Georgetown Public Hospital on Sunday, December.

iNews was informed that Lyken, who is a commercial sex worker, ingested five carbon tablets after experiencing difficulties in an already abusive relationship which she shared with another man.

Friends of Lyken revealed that only recently she suffered a broken hand after the man tossed a piece of wood at her. Reports reaching iNews revealed that the man at the center of the incident reportedly ended the relationship with Lyken and moved on with another woman.

FM

In America where guns are easily available ,these mental cases become murderers and then kill them selves, by taking another life the word suicide is taken out of the equation . They kill first and then commit suicide, but Western society don't like to use the word suicide, because it makes them a failure. In the UK there are equal number of mental institutions as with regular hospital, and they do address mental illness seriously.

K
kp posted:

In America where guns are easily available ,these mental cases become murderers and then kill them selves, by taking another life the word suicide is taken out of the equation . They kill first and then commit suicide, but Western society don't like to use the word suicide, because it makes them a failure. In the UK there are equal number of mental institutions as with regular hospital, and they do address mental illness seriously.

In Guyana all ethnic groups have equal access to our abominably bad mental health system.  We cannot know what is happening with Amerindians, as it is possible that many unrecorded deaths occur in the interior.

What we do know is that Indians seem more prone t suicide, when compared to Africans and mixed people. Apparently this is especially true for Hindus. 

One can speculate that non Hindu Indians are less suicide prone, given that Hindus allegedly account for just under 70% of the suicides.  Whether this is due to cultural differences between Hindu and non Hindu Indians, or whether there are differences in socio economic status (are non Hindus less likely to be poor than Hindus?) or whether Hindus are more rural, when compared to non Hindus, might provide some interesting discussion.

 

FM

BTW white men, easily the most economically successful group in the USA, also have the highest suicide rates.  An additional point to note that is black immigrant men residing in the USA, have higher suicide rates than do black American men, despite being more economically successful.

Apparently attitudes to life, and family support systems are very important factors, more so than is poverty.

 

FM
yuji22 posted:

While this is an apparent trend in Guyana, is there a similar trend in North America ?

It would be interesting to know.

Easy access to pesticides and other chemicals in Guyana can be a major contributing factor.

I am curious to know what mental heath experts have to say on this matter.

yuji, I am curious to know why you can't google "suicide trend in North America." Yuh just want find wuk fo we?

FM
Gilbakka posted:
yuji22 posted:

While this is an apparent trend in Guyana, is there a similar trend in North America ?

It would be interesting to know.

Easy access to pesticides and other chemicals in Guyana can be a major contributing factor.

I am curious to know what mental heath experts have to say on this matter.

yuji, I am curious to know why you can't google "suicide trend in North America." Yuh just want find wuk fo we?

Gil, You misunderstood what I meant. I meant the suicide trend with Indos in North America in comparison to Guyana.

FM
caribny posted:
kp posted:

In America where guns are easily available ,these mental cases become murderers and then kill them selves, by taking another life the word suicide is taken out of the equation . They kill first and then commit suicide, but Western society don't like to use the word suicide, because it makes them a failure. In the UK there are equal number of mental institutions as with regular hospital, and they do address mental illness seriously.

In Guyana all ethnic groups have equal access to our abominably bad mental health system.  We cannot know what is happening with Amerindians, as it is possible that many unrecorded deaths occur in the interior.

What we do know is that Indians seem more prone t suicide, when compared to Africans and mixed people. Apparently this is especially true for Hindus. 

One can speculate that non Hindu Indians are less suicide prone, given that Hindus allegedly account for just under 70% of the suicides.  Whether this is due to cultural differences between Hindu and non Hindu Indians, or whether there are differences in socio economic status (are non Hindus less likely to be poor than Hindus?) or whether Hindus are more rural, when compared to non Hindus, might provide some interesting discussion.

 

Hindus cannot take emotional pressure, they crack and drink poison, Buck don't take on anything so pressure never get to them, Blacks, when pressure brace them, they go and beat up and rob an Indian and the stress is gone, Muslims have faith in ISIS, so they wait for relief!  I cannot say for Putagee and Chinee.

FM
baseman posted:
caribny posted:
kp posted:

In America where guns are easily available ,these mental cases become murderers and then kill them selves, by taking another life the word suicide is taken out of the equation . They kill first and then commit suicide, but Western society don't like to use the word suicide, because it makes them a failure. In the UK there are equal number of mental institutions as with regular hospital, and they do address mental illness seriously.

In Guyana all ethnic groups have equal access to our abominably bad mental health system.  We cannot know what is happening with Amerindians, as it is possible that many unrecorded deaths occur in the interior.

What we do know is that Indians seem more prone t suicide, when compared to Africans and mixed people. Apparently this is especially true for Hindus. 

One can speculate that non Hindu Indians are less suicide prone, given that Hindus allegedly account for just under 70% of the suicides.  Whether this is due to cultural differences between Hindu and non Hindu Indians, or whether there are differences in socio economic status (are non Hindus less likely to be poor than Hindus?) or whether Hindus are more rural, when compared to non Hindus, might provide some interesting discussion.

 

Hindus cannot take emotional pressure, they crack and drink poison, Buck don't take on anything so pressure never get to them, Blacks, when pressure brace them, they go and beat up and rob an Indian and the stress is gone, Muslims have faith in ISIS, so they wait for relief!  I cannot say for Putagee and Chinee.

We does wait for someone to talk/type stupidness then we does act/take out we agression pon dem.

cain
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Chameli posted:

Maybe....just maybe the East Indians eat too much rice and NOT enough meat....or maybe like me, their body/genetics do not allow for absorption of vitamin which is essential in mental health (don't worry, i take 1000 IU per day)  or just maybe...EI don't have that doankaydamn...don't give a darn attitude...they take matters too seriously...wish i knew why or how we could help since i lost 3 members of one family to poison plus few more very close relatives

Cham, which Brand you taking??

Nehru
asj posted:

Following a heated argument with his brother, an Essequibo businessman guzzled down a large quantity of poisonous substance then attempted to drown himself in a tank of water, which eventually resulted in his death.

This is the most self-defeating form of imposing control. It seems to me the idea is to get a person to do what you want them to do, or to make them feel guilt, under threat of taking your own life. So now the brother is supposed to be on a permanent guilt trip? But how and what does Sunil Singh gain?

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