alena06 posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

skeldon_man posted:

ksazma posted:

Stormborn posted:

ksazma posted:

Stormborn posted:

This creates a bunch of shallow dunces who study to the test and have no inkling what it means to know t he subject matter

I don't know if you can make this assessment Stormy. Unless you have direct information of the people who actually took those subjects.

I can say that because it addresses perspectives in the philosophy of education across time. It is the argument from the founding of the University grounded on the trivium to the quadrivium to the modern era or liberal arts. One prepares the student to think rather than to cram source data and regurgitate it. 

Fair enough. However, is there any evidence that these particular students crammed source data and then regurgitate it?

If these students are preparing for 20+ subjects of CXC, when are they going to have time to be children? Why are parents so stupid to push their children. What do they have to prove?

Is GCE tougher than CXC? How come we never heard someone passed 15 subjects GCE with all As?

 

Yes, GCE is tougher than CXC.  I taught CXC before migrating to North America to attend university.  The CXC curriculum is shallow and wide. Many of the courses have a component that include term grades as part of the overall grade and the actual exam is watered down. In English, what was one subject in GCE is two subjects in CXC.

The class teacher has a say in the overall grade.  I used to have to grade my students papers and send it in to the Ministry of Education.  The format and curriculum of the exam has evolved over the years so I am not sure how it's done now.

 

Bibi, you must have taught some of the brightest and best leaders in GY   Btw, my eldest is starting college this year at NYU!! 

Congrats to your daughter Alena.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree!

ba$eman posted:

alena06 posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

skeldon_man posted:

ksazma posted:

Stormborn posted:

ksazma posted:

Stormborn posted:

This creates a bunch of shallow dunces who study to the test and have no inkling what it means to know t he subject matter

I don't know if you can make this assessment Stormy. Unless you have direct information of the people who actually took those subjects.

I can say that because it addresses perspectives in the philosophy of education across time. It is the argument from the founding of the University grounded on the trivium to the quadrivium to the modern era or liberal arts. One prepares the student to think rather than to cram source data and regurgitate it. 

Fair enough. However, is there any evidence that these particular students crammed source data and then regurgitate it?

If these students are preparing for 20+ subjects of CXC, when are they going to have time to be children? Why are parents so stupid to push their children. What do they have to prove?

Is GCE tougher than CXC? How come we never heard someone passed 15 subjects GCE with all As?

 

Yes, GCE is tougher than CXC.  I taught CXC before migrating to North America to attend university.  The CXC curriculum is shallow and wide. Many of the courses have a component that include term grades as part of the overall grade and the actual exam is watered down. In English, what was one subject in GCE is two subjects in CXC.

The class teacher has a say in the overall grade.  I used to have to grade my students papers and send it in to the Ministry of Education.  The format and curriculum of the exam has evolved over the years so I am not sure how it's done now.

 

Bibi, you must have taught some of the brightest and best leaders in GY   Btw, my eldest is starting college this year at NYU!! 

Congrats to your daughter Alena.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree!

I'll take that compliment from a smarty pants like you sir!!  Have a great week GNI!!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Stormborn posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

Gilbakka posted:

Come on, guys, let's put aside politics and look at the issue in practical terms from the standpoint of the high school student preparing for these exams. We were once high school students in the same situation too. 

If a student is committed to 20 subjects, imagine what his/her study timetable looks like for a 6-day week, allowing one day of rest. My experience as a student and teacher, coupled with information from my teacher friends, tells me that the 20-subjects student is carrying an unnecessarily heavy burden not only on the brain but also on the body. For good health and well-being, young people need to participate in physical activities that sports provide. I suppose a 20-subjects student has to forego such necessary physical exercises during many months of preparation for exams. 

And, really, when a matriculated student enters the job market, most employers don't expect or need applicants with 20 CXC passes.

I think 8 to 10 subjects would be reasonable, giving the young person time for study and play. I still remember a line from my "First Aid in English" primary school textbook: "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

I agree with you completely.

No doubt, a Howard grad would agree with a path of least resistance. Look at the US top universities which cherishes high schools students with as many AP courses as possible with high grades. Why would the number of subjects matter to you or the incompetent PNC if the child can handle the load?

I  also went to U of Penn jackass. And I transferred to  Howard from University of Toronto and as I know it, Howard was tough one because it made the man.  You simpletons speak from no intellectual grounding about any of the subject matter you comment on yet have the audacity to spout rotten biliousness with ease.Also, most people who impact the world....yes the geniuses... had difficult time  in school.

And Howard produced many of people that changed your life. Without Howard there would be no civil rights. Its scholars among others from historical black colleges  like Howard. Give you the opportunity to be here. Chew on that you stupid bigot.

Howard has trained more engineers and physicians and dentists not to mention educators from the third world  than any other University in the world. That is why it is nicknamed the mecca. It is where the world come for  high learning. I came to it not because I could not have gotten in elsewhere. I came because it was where many in my family went

And let me be clear if you do not get it, you are a educated racist moron; you  do nothing to clarify anything here since your time on the site but act as a troll. Show us you can think before you start shooting your silly mouth off

If you are a graduate from U Penn, congrats! Any other GNI ers with an Ivy League education?

Howard was the easiest to get admission to. My friends who went there at one time told me that if you know some of the guys in there and you have some money to dole out, you can get your grades changed. Not sure how true it was. Remember, most of the students who worked on campus were foreign students who needed the money.

asj posted:

Comments:

PETER • 11 hours ago

, burnham took away the English standard of education because he said it was adhering to colonial mentality

 

And it is the same system which was built on 8 subjects, and not 22.

Seriously. Life is more than just beating the books.  What life skills are these kids developing if they lack involvement in extra curricula activities, and a social life?

No employer wants a brilliant nerd, with no social skills!

Stormborn posted:

. In us schools especially, the emphasis is on analysis and creativity not on pat answers regurgitated by cramming.

 

In fact the biggest trauma for these kids, if they attend the best US colleges, is that they will be expected to engage in critical thinking, and to engage the class, and the professors, with their thoughts.

In addition a substantial part of the admittance process is determined by the types of extra curricula activities that the prospective student is involved in.  If all they can say is that they got 22 "A's" then they might not be as popular with the admission officers as they think that they will be.

In fact the girl at Bygeval, with her experiment, will be better thought of than the kid with 22 "A's".

Drugb posted:

if the end result was a life of drudgery behind a dollar store counter?

I. 

Better than you who earns a living by pan handling in the subway!

skeldon_man posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Stormborn posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

Gilbakka posted:

Come on, guys, let's put aside politics and look at the issue in practical terms from the standpoint of the high school student preparing for these exams. We were once high school students in the same situation too. 

If a student is committed to 20 subjects, imagine what his/her study timetable looks like for a 6-day week, allowing one day of rest. My experience as a student and teacher, coupled with information from my teacher friends, tells me that the 20-subjects student is carrying an unnecessarily heavy burden not only on the brain but also on the body. For good health and well-being, young people need to participate in physical activities that sports provide. I suppose a 20-subjects student has to forego such necessary physical exercises during many months of preparation for exams. 

And, really, when a matriculated student enters the job market, most employers don't expect or need applicants with 20 CXC passes.

I think 8 to 10 subjects would be reasonable, giving the young person time for study and play. I still remember a line from my "First Aid in English" primary school textbook: "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

I agree with you completely.

No doubt, a Howard grad would agree with a path of least resistance. Look at the US top universities which cherishes high schools students with as many AP courses as possible with high grades. Why would the number of subjects matter to you or the incompetent PNC if the child can handle the load?

I  also went to U of Penn jackass. And I transferred to  Howard from University of Toronto and as I know it, Howard was tough one because it made the man.  You simpletons speak from no intellectual grounding about any of the subject matter you comment on yet have the audacity to spout rotten biliousness with ease.Also, most people who impact the world....yes the geniuses... had difficult time  in school.

And Howard produced many of people that changed your life. Without Howard there would be no civil rights. Its scholars among others from historical black colleges  like Howard. Give you the opportunity to be here. Chew on that you stupid bigot.

Howard has trained more engineers and physicians and dentists not to mention educators from the third world  than any other University in the world. That is why it is nicknamed the mecca. It is where the world come for  high learning. I came to it not because I could not have gotten in elsewhere. I came because it was where many in my family went

And let me be clear if you do not get it, you are a educated racist moron; you  do nothing to clarify anything here since your time on the site but act as a troll. Show us you can think before you start shooting your silly mouth off

If you are a graduate from U Penn, congrats! Any other GNI ers with an Ivy League education?

Howard was the easiest to get admission to. My friends who went there at one time told me that if you know some of the guys in there and you have some money to dole out, you can get your grades changed. Not sure how true it was. Remember, most of the students who worked on campus were foreign students who needed the money.

Your friend like you are just a bunch of malicious liars. Indeed it is easy to get into because it takes in those mainly from the third world who had dubious preparation but meet a minimum criteria. That however does not mean its student body are composed of substandard students since many black people in the US who are rich also want to get in. They will of course have come from good schools. Those of us from the West Indies would be prepared better for the task but given the system it still means 2 thirds fall out. Foreign students do not get to work manning the Grading systems so you are completely out of your depth here with these asinine stories.

How did they ever come up with so many subjects for a major examination?

In the US, the SAT or ACT along with how you did in high school is enough to judge a student...

RiffRaff posted:

How did they ever come up with so many subjects for a major examination?

In the US, the SAT or ACT along with how you did in high school is enough to judge a student...

sat etc are good predictors of minimum standards for a freshman but they are not good predictors as to who will be able to manage the course load in the long run.These tests do not purport to predict who will turn out to be good scholars.

Stormborn posted:

RiffRaff posted:

How did they ever come up with so many subjects for a major examination?

In the US, the SAT or ACT along with how you did in high school is enough to judge a student...

sat etc are good predictors of minimum standards for a freshman but they are not good predictors as to who will be able to manage the course load in the long run.These tests do not purport to predict who will turn out to be good scholars.

It's unfortunate they don't have more higher learning institutions of learning in Guyana for these student

Stormborn posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Stormborn posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

Gilbakka posted:

Come on, guys, let's put aside politics and look at the issue in practical terms from the standpoint of the high school student preparing for these exams. We were once high school students in the same situation too. 

If a student is committed to 20 subjects, imagine what his/her study timetable looks like for a 6-day week, allowing one day of rest. My experience as a student and teacher, coupled with information from my teacher friends, tells me that the 20-subjects student is carrying an unnecessarily heavy burden not only on the brain but also on the body. For good health and well-being, young people need to participate in physical activities that sports provide. I suppose a 20-subjects student has to forego such necessary physical exercises during many months of preparation for exams. 

And, really, when a matriculated student enters the job market, most employers don't expect or need applicants with 20 CXC passes.

I think 8 to 10 subjects would be reasonable, giving the young person time for study and play. I still remember a line from my "First Aid in English" primary school textbook: "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

I agree with you completely.

No doubt, a Howard grad would agree with a path of least resistance. Look at the US top universities which cherishes high schools students with as many AP courses as possible with high grades. Why would the number of subjects matter to you or the incompetent PNC if the child can handle the load?

I  also went to U of Penn jackass. And I transferred to  Howard from University of Toronto and as I know it, Howard was tough one because it made the man.  You simpletons speak from no intellectual grounding about any of the subject matter you comment on yet have the audacity to spout rotten biliousness with ease.Also, most people who impact the world....yes the geniuses... had difficult time  in school.

And Howard produced many of people that changed your life. Without Howard there would be no civil rights. Its scholars among others from historical black colleges  like Howard. Give you the opportunity to be here. Chew on that you stupid bigot.

Howard has trained more engineers and physicians and dentists not to mention educators from the third world  than any other University in the world. That is why it is nicknamed the mecca. It is where the world come for  high learning. I came to it not because I could not have gotten in elsewhere. I came because it was where many in my family went

And let me be clear if you do not get it, you are a educated racist moron; you  do nothing to clarify anything here since your time on the site but act as a troll. Show us you can think before you start shooting your silly mouth off

If you are a graduate from U Penn, congrats! Any other GNI ers with an Ivy League education?

Howard was the easiest to get admission to. My friends who went there at one time told me that if you know some of the guys in there and you have some money to dole out, you can get your grades changed. Not sure how true it was. Remember, most of the students who worked on campus were foreign students who needed the money.

Your friend like you are just a bunch of malicious liars. Indeed it is easy to get into because it takes in those mainly from the third world who had dubious preparation but meet a minimum criteria. That however does not mean its student body are composed of substandard students since many black people in the US who are rich also want to get in. They will of course have come from good schools. Those of us from the West Indies would be prepared better for the task but given the system it still means 2 thirds fall out. Foreign students do not get to work manning the Grading systems so you are completely out of your depth here with these asinine stories.

How do you know? You guys hung out together? The truth just made your Howard diploma post secondary value...dollar store stock clerk.

Chameli posted:

alena06 posted:

[]

Bibi, you must have taught some of the brightest and best leaders in GY   Btw, my eldest is starting college this year at NYU!! 

Congratulations to you and the eldest....

how old is she, i thought she is only 15 or 16!

She is 18 like your youngest if I remember correctly.  Little one is 13, I still get my kisses

skeldon_man posted:

Stormborn posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Stormborn posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

Gilbakka posted:

Come on, guys, let's put aside politics and look at the issue in practical terms from the standpoint of the high school student preparing for these exams. We were once high school students in the same situation too. 

If a student is committed to 20 subjects, imagine what his/her study timetable looks like for a 6-day week, allowing one day of rest. My experience as a student and teacher, coupled with information from my teacher friends, tells me that the 20-subjects student is carrying an unnecessarily heavy burden not only on the brain but also on the body. For good health and well-being, young people need to participate in physical activities that sports provide. I suppose a 20-subjects student has to forego such necessary physical exercises during many months of preparation for exams. 

And, really, when a matriculated student enters the job market, most employers don't expect or need applicants with 20 CXC passes.

I think 8 to 10 subjects would be reasonable, giving the young person time for study and play. I still remember a line from my "First Aid in English" primary school textbook: "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

I agree with you completely.

No doubt, a Howard grad would agree with a path of least resistance. Look at the US top universities which cherishes high schools students with as many AP courses as possible with high grades. Why would the number of subjects matter to you or the incompetent PNC if the child can handle the load?

I  also went to U of Penn jackass. And I transferred to  Howard from University of Toronto and as I know it, Howard was tough one because it made the man.  You simpletons speak from no intellectual grounding about any of the subject matter you comment on yet have the audacity to spout rotten biliousness with ease.Also, most people who impact the world....yes the geniuses... had difficult time  in school.

And Howard produced many of people that changed your life. Without Howard there would be no civil rights. Its scholars among others from historical black colleges  like Howard. Give you the opportunity to be here. Chew on that you stupid bigot.

Howard has trained more engineers and physicians and dentists not to mention educators from the third world  than any other University in the world. That is why it is nicknamed the mecca. It is where the world come for  high learning. I came to it not because I could not have gotten in elsewhere. I came because it was where many in my family went

And let me be clear if you do not get it, you are a educated racist moron; you  do nothing to clarify anything here since your time on the site but act as a troll. Show us you can think before you start shooting your silly mouth off

If you are a graduate from U Penn, congrats! Any other GNI ers with an Ivy League education?

Howard was the easiest to get admission to. My friends who went there at one time told me that if you know some of the guys in there and you have some money to dole out, you can get your grades changed. Not sure how true it was. Remember, most of the students who worked on campus were foreign students who needed the money.

Your friend like you are just a bunch of malicious liars. Indeed it is easy to get into because it takes in those mainly from the third world who had dubious preparation but meet a minimum criteria. That however does not mean its student body are composed of substandard students since many black people in the US who are rich also want to get in. They will of course have come from good schools. Those of us from the West Indies would be prepared better for the task but given the system it still means 2 thirds fall out. Foreign students do not get to work manning the Grading systems so you are completely out of your depth here with these asinine stories.

How do you know? You guys hung out together? The truth just made your Howard diploma post secondary value...dollar store stock clerk.

I know because we never had such a scandal and once I needed to get  my grades withdrawn and it was a long multi day process. And handled ultimately in Student affairs. I am a dollar store stock clerk as you are into pimping your relatives.

alena06 posted:

Btw, my eldest is starting college this year at NYU!! 

Congratulations and best wishes to your child Lena.

ksazma posted:

alena06 posted:

Btw, my eldest is starting college this year at NYU!! 

Congratulations and best wishes to your child Lena.

Oi man is bline yo bline? Why you doan stop with the trivial nonsense, there is a fight brewin'.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

if the end result was a life of drudgery behind a dollar store counter?

I. 

Better than you who earns a living by pan handling in the subway!

Very weak response even for a mentally challenged thinker such as yourself. I would not last 1 day pan handling in the subways as the Blacks panhandlers would out earn me.  An Indian pan handler is viewed as a scammer while a Black is viewed as a person in need. 

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

if the end result was a life of drudgery behind a dollar store counter?

I. 

Better than you who earns a living by pan handling in the subway!

Very weak response even for a mentally challenged thinker such as yourself. I would not last 1 day pan handling in the subways as the Blacks panhandlers would out earn me.  An Indian pan handler is viewed as a scammer while a Black is viewed as a person in need. 

Perhaps someone who knows you saw you doing so at one of the subway stops and you know how gossip does go round?

cain posted:

Perhaps someone who knows you saw you doing so at one of the subway stops and you know how gossip does go round?

Perhaps a person who lacks both a chick or a child overcompensates for the innuendo of deviant sexual preferences by pretending to be attracted to women. 

Drugb posted:

cain posted:

Perhaps someone who knows you saw you doing so at one of the subway stops and you know how gossip does go round?

Perhaps a person who lacks both a chick or a child overcompensates for the innuendo of deviant sexual preferences by pretending to be attracted to women. 

Again...that world of fantasy taking over the real one.

All these observations from behind a dollar store counter.  I suppose one has long spells of boredom during the course of a mundane day that the imagination runs wild and a parallel reality is invented. I suggest that you take a break and allow one of your offspring to manage the store while you help the people of Guyana with all your "practical" ideas. 

This thread started out with great promise for a debate on the pros and cons of preparing for 20+ CXC exams subjects. True to GNI form, it eventually degenerated into a personal tit for tat. Sad. Bad. Restrain yourselves, gentlemen. 

Drugb posted:

All these observations from behind a dollar store counter.  I suppose one has long spells of boredom during the course of a mundane day that the imagination runs wild and a parallel reality is invented. I suggest that you take a break and allow one of your offspring to manage the store while you help the people of Guyana with all your "practical" ideas. 

Yet the one in your head you see and believe exist. My kids, for your information, do not have to fit into your reality. They live their own.

By the way...two of mine are Ivy grads and one an engineering degree from a not too bad tech school. Va Tech....hope you and your big mouth about schools  prepared Rommie for a better life than as a grunt programmer. I admit he is talented so he should be on his way through Berkley school of music or something similar.

Guyana is not my focus. If it is yours you propose your grand schemes. I comment....it is what I chose to do.

If one subject in the traditional GCE examinations is equivalent to two subjects in the CXC examinations why would the minister propose to limit the number of subjects taken by a student to just eight? Eight subjects of the CXC examinations is only equivalent to four GCE subjects.  

Stormborn posted:

 I am a dollar store stock clerk as you are into pimping your relatives.

You mean he doesn't pan handle?

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

If one subject in the traditional GCE examinations is equivalent to two subjects in the CXC examinations why would the minister propose to limit the number of subjects taken by a student to just eight? Eight subjects of the CXC examinations is only equivalent to four GCE subjects.  

....because the minister thinks a broader understanding of well chosen subject matter informs the student better than 20 spotty pieces on a variety of unrelated subjects.

The man got a point. I think the person with the world record for GCE had maybe something like 68 subjects and was maybe a life prisoner in jail. Pointless.

Stormborn posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Stormborn posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Stormborn posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

Gilbakka posted:

Come on, guys, let's put aside politics and look at the issue in practical terms from the standpoint of the high school student preparing for these exams. We were once high school students in the same situation too. 

If a student is committed to 20 subjects, imagine what his/her study timetable looks like for a 6-day week, allowing one day of rest. My experience as a student and teacher, coupled with information from my teacher friends, tells me that the 20-subjects student is carrying an unnecessarily heavy burden not only on the brain but also on the body. For good health and well-being, young people need to participate in physical activities that sports provide. I suppose a 20-subjects student has to forego such necessary physical exercises during many months of preparation for exams. 

And, really, when a matriculated student enters the job market, most employers don't expect or need applicants with 20 CXC passes.

I think 8 to 10 subjects would be reasonable, giving the young person time for study and play. I still remember a line from my "First Aid in English" primary school textbook: "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

I agree with you completely.

No doubt, a Howard grad would agree with a path of least resistance. Look at the US top universities which cherishes high schools students with as many AP courses as possible with high grades. Why would the number of subjects matter to you or the incompetent PNC if the child can handle the load?

I  also went to U of Penn jackass. And I transferred to  Howard from University of Toronto and as I know it, Howard was tough one because it made the man.  You simpletons speak from no intellectual grounding about any of the subject matter you comment on yet have the audacity to spout rotten biliousness with ease.Also, most people who impact the world....yes the geniuses... had difficult time  in school.

And Howard produced many of people that changed your life. Without Howard there would be no civil rights. Its scholars among others from historical black colleges  like Howard. Give you the opportunity to be here. Chew on that you stupid bigot.

Howard has trained more engineers and physicians and dentists not to mention educators from the third world  than any other University in the world. That is why it is nicknamed the mecca. It is where the world come for  high learning. I came to it not because I could not have gotten in elsewhere. I came because it was where many in my family went

And let me be clear if you do not get it, you are a educated racist moron; you  do nothing to clarify anything here since your time on the site but act as a troll. Show us you can think before you start shooting your silly mouth off

If you are a graduate from U Penn, congrats! Any other GNI ers with an Ivy League education?

Howard was the easiest to get admission to. My friends who went there at one time told me that if you know some of the guys in there and you have some money to dole out, you can get your grades changed. Not sure how true it was. Remember, most of the students who worked on campus were foreign students who needed the money.

Your friend like you are just a bunch of malicious liars. Indeed it is easy to get into because it takes in those mainly from the third world who had dubious preparation but meet a minimum criteria. That however does not mean its student body are composed of substandard students since many black people in the US who are rich also want to get in. They will of course have come from good schools. Those of us from the West Indies would be prepared better for the task but given the system it still means 2 thirds fall out. Foreign students do not get to work manning the Grading systems so you are completely out of your depth here with these asinine stories.

How do you know? You guys hung out together? The truth just made your Howard diploma post secondary value...dollar store stock clerk.

I know because we never had such a scandal and once I needed to get  my grades withdrawn and it was a long multi day process. And handled ultimately in Student affairs. I am a dollar store stock clerk as you are into pimping your relatives.

I didn't know you use your dollar store as your family whore house? What happened to the homeless sign that says "Ninjas kidnapped my family, they want $500.00 ransom"? How much did you collect so far?

skeldon_man posted:

 

I didn't know you use your dollar store as your family whore house? What happened to the homeless sign that says "Ninjas kidnapped my family, they want $500.00 ransom"? How much did you collect so far?

Only what you and druggie collected during your daily "work" pan handling on the subway.

I might have seen one of you gents on the #4 today!

 

skeldon_manSenior Member

9 hours ago

I didn't know you use your dollar store as your family whore house? What happened to the homeless sign that says "Ninjas kidnapped my family, they want $500.00 ransom"? How much did you collect so far?

I do not know...could be your family trying to upgrade the hustle....2 dollar in trade is hard work.