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Eight Amerindian villages receive titles to land five more pending

 

Georgetown, GINA, August 9, 2012 -- Source - GINA

 

President Donald Ramotar and Minister of Amerindian Affairs Pauline Sukhai with the eight Toshaos who received their land title certificates

 

Eight Amerindian villages received their land titles today, reducing to five the number of  villages pending as the government fulfills its mandate through the Ministry of Amerindian Affairs of completing the titling of all 120 Amerindian villages in Guyana.


President Donald Ramotar performed the duty of handing over certificates to the respective Toshaos on day four of the National Toshao Council (NTC) meeting at the Guyana International Conference Centre (GICC).


The villages are Kato, Kariabo, Batavia, Kambaru, Tasarene, Kangaruma, Rupunau and River’s View.


Titling is a grant to the community/village that follows a series of dialogue at the village/community level where consensus is arrived relating to the parameters of interest that are to be plotted.

 

The hand plotted boundaries are submitted for application in a diagram format accompanied by a letter, stating the name of the community, population and a description of the area based on natural boundaries.


Ratification from a two-thirds majority of those attending the village meetings is a prerequisite submission, according to Minister of Amerindian Affairs Pauline Sukhai who witnessed the hand over. Titling precedes the demarcation process.


The application is also accompanied by an authorisation for the village council to make the submission the Minister of Amerindian Affairs.


The land titling process could have been accelerated had the government anticipated the delays in the disbursement of the Guyana REDD+ Investment Fund (GRIF) which is being managed by the World Bank.


“The two years or more we have waited for funds from GRIF sometimes of course we cannot wait forever so we have had to utilise some funds to get this moving forward,” Minister Sukhai said.


The process was also hindered when the opposition political parties by a one seat majority rejected the $18.7M which the government had earmarked from the anticipated forest carbon funds for Amerindian communities’ development.

 


President Donald Ramotar handing over a land title certificate to Toshao of Rupunau Daniel Aguilar

 

“The committed position of this government is to complete the titling of Amerindian villages for the application submitted,” Minister Sukhai said as she assured the remaining five villages of government’s commitment to granting their land titles.


President Ramotar at the opening ceremony of the NTC announced that another pact with the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) in September will see the implementation and completion in three years, land titling and demarcation of villages that have submitted applications.


Villages that have been approved for demarcation and the processing of 41 applications for extension of lands will also be covered through a committed sum $1.5B.


To date 96 Amerindian communities are titled.

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Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

When people benefit from their government its time to stand up and salute the occasion. 

Imagine that! Because of numbers a recent immigrant group gets to tell a local group with 15 millennia on local tierra firma what land they own! THese people are not saluting the government.

 

They may not think it publicly but in their hearts they know that democracy short changed them. It give others by mere numerical advantage, the right to decide what they are, who they are and how they must be.

 

Worse, the recent others treat them with contempt and make sure they know constantly  they are given benefits per the others  benevolence and not receiving their due. We should salute the occasion.

 

The mere irony of the reality that the greatest intellectual construct of humanity, democracy, can have such adverse humiliating effects on others when in the hands of the greedy and contemptuous.

 

It is what rationalize development of Orealla as bringing in an outside group, giving them 50 years lease to the land and discounting that the local people have the aptitude, or desire to do it. Entrepreneurial activity as tourism is too arduous for them. They can be cigar indians and inhabitants of the zoo since they are the main attraction! Just look at those "contented bucks" lining up to hold a piece of paper given to them by others that tells them  they own something!

FM
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Originally Posted by antabanta:

Does this titling mean they are now restricted to their little plot?

 The paper is crap. The have no right to tell anyone to stay off their land, have no subsurface rights, and access to rivers through their land has to be unrestricted plus rivers extend to the highwater level ( in a flood plain!). They are just wards of the state with a piece of paper and the right to be gather around yearly to be told how to develop their areas.

 

There is native usufruct rights to  settle, live and hunt anywhere on state lands but the PPP has also put a wrench in that. The PPP has been the most anti native people's government despite their chiming to the contrary.

FM
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Originally Posted by Stormborn:
... rivers extend to the highwater level ( in a flood plain!).

General principles of water management indicate that land demarcation does not extend to the highwater levels.

 

A person's right to land-ownership that borders a water body depends on the long-term water level.

 

Hence, in some cases the person my gain land due to an established decrease in water level; loose land due to an established increase of water level and, in some cases, gain all of the land covered by the water body if is can be shown/proven that no water was present on the land for established periods of time.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by antabanta:

Does this titling mean they are now restricted to their little plot?

 The paper is crap. The have no right to tell anyone to stay off their land, have no subsurface rights, and access to rivers through their land has to be unrestricted plus rivers extend to the highwater level ( in a flood plain!). They are just wards of the state with a piece of paper and the right to be gather around yearly to be told how to develop their areas.

 

There is native usufruct rights to  settle, live and hunt anywhere on state lands but the PPP has also put a wrench in that. The PPP has been the most anti native people's government despite their chiming to the contrary.

Since you saw the paper you may care to outline the provisions to us. The grant of titles was done in consultation with Amerindian communities. The Amerindian Land Titles Act of 1973 forced down PNC rulings on Amerindian communities but not so here. 

FM
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:
Since you saw the paper you may care to outline the provisions to us. The grant of titles was done in consultation with Amerindian communities. The Amerindian Land Titles Act of 1973 forced down PNC rulings on Amerindian communities but not so here. 

Is this the answer to my question?

A

This was not a response to your question obviously. How could they be restricted to their little plot? For Amerindians there no borders. In Wai Wai country Amerindians enjoy limitless access to the jungle. How do I know? I lived among them.  

FM
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:

This was not a response to your question obviously. How could they be restricted to their little plot? For Amerindians there no borders. In Wai Wai country Amerindians enjoy limitless access to the jungle. How do I know? I lived among them.  

 Borders are not to reify a view that typifies Amerind reality. It is to limit encroachment of those to whom these are integral since owning nature is their cultural axis. It is not so for Amerinds.

 

If you live in Wai Wai and Wapishanas land you would then be aware they asked for (and were refused by the new immigrant overlords) their titles in a contiguous area.

 

The PPP instead created bantustans so they cannot take advantage of economies of scale and to keep their cultural lives located in one homeland. But these are the very people that awarded Vanessa gold, a contiguous stretch of close to 5 million acres as a concession.

 

You live among them but you do not know them. If you did you would know their stories.

FM

I know their stories from Arecuna land to the Wai Wai and the Caribs. Borders do not 'limit encroachment' since in the perception of Amerindians there are no borders, despite lines that may be drawn.  

FM
Originally Posted by antabanta:
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:
Since you saw the paper you may care to outline the provisions to us. The grant of titles was done in consultation with Amerindian communities. The Amerindian Land Titles Act of 1973 forced down PNC rulings on Amerindian communities but not so here. 

Is this the answer to my question?

are you that stupid to see that Ronald replied to buckface no tooth, fatface d2, Yes our own stormy who wears a wig.

FM
Originally Posted by criminal#1:
Originally Posted by antabanta:
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:
Since you saw the paper you may care to outline the provisions to us. The grant of titles was done in consultation with Amerindian communities. The Amerindian Land Titles Act of 1973 forced down PNC rulings on Amerindian communities but not so here. 

Is this the answer to my question?

are you that stupid to see that Ronald replied to buckface no tooth, fatface d2, Yes our own stormy who wears a wig.

Takes a lot of  self deception to make you dullards feel good. Which tooth am I missing and when did I lose my hair?

 

Sorry, perfect I have perfect white teeth with none missing. Pays to brush well from an early age. Not a chip on the enamel any place!  I also have what has been at times a bothersome but lush crop of hair on the head. After all I am Amerind so male pattern baldness does not follow us.

 

You will need to spice up your imagination a bit more if that is what it takes to meake you sleep better.

FM
Originally Posted by criminal#1:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

It that how Stormy really looks ? 

 

Yea, he eats a horse every day.

You mean eat like a horse ie  green vegetable stuff! Never had meat in my life. I do not want to start now.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
After all I am Amerind so male pattern baldness does not follow us.

You -- Stormborn/D2 -- personally stated on GNI that you have partial aboriginal heritage.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
After all I am Amerind so male pattern baldness does not follow us.

You -- Stormborn/D2 -- personally stated on GNI that you have partial aboriginal heritage.

I was not born in Australia.  Or native peoples are called Amrindians. I told you to keep up with the Ginko. The brain need food to function well

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
After all I am Amerind so male pattern baldness does not follow us.

You -- Stormborn/D2 -- personally stated on GNI that you have partial aboriginal heritage.

I was not born in Australia.  Or native peoples are called Amrindians.

You are not a full-blood aboriginal, amerindian, etc., etc., etc..

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
After all I am Amerind so male pattern baldness does not follow us.

You -- Stormborn/D2 -- personally stated on GNI that you have partial aboriginal heritage.

I was not born in Australia.  Or native peoples are called Amrindians.

You are not a full-blood aboriginal, amerindian, etc., etc., etc..

You mean some one is out there checking blood lines? You are truly a silly old man. anyways.....full head of hair here.

FM

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