March 7, 2017 Source
Lisaveta Ramotar has been detained by the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU) in connection with the ongoing probe into the Pradoville 2 housing scheme, sources say.
Ramotar, the daughter of former President Donald Ramotar, has been taken to the SOCU office. Sources say arrests of other persons in this probe are imminent.
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At the risk of being labelled anti-indian or the sell out coolie, did Ramotar's son ever fulfill that Fibre Optic Contract?
Come in Bibi the all knowing...I would like to see you type the word NO.
Didn't you just say that you reply when you see ignorant answers yet the first name that came to your head is Bibi even though she hasn't joined this thread? You've just proved that it is something personal. For the record, I don't know who Bibi is or if it's a he or she. Apparently she/he does know me though.
Those CRIMINALS in Govt. I hope all of Burnham families who got Hope Estate, Roxanne Burnham Gardem, Ray hometown and others are Prosecuted!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There seriously needs an outside impartial investigation going back to ALL the previous administrations. Not these revenge investigations.
SOCU officials and Police are now at the Office of the Leader of the Opposition, Bharrat Jagdeo who is also one of the targets of the probe.
When you thief from a POOR country, I don't care if you are Black, Brown, White or yella, PPP OR PNC lock them ass up.
I agree KP BUT what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.
GTAngler posted:At the risk of being labelled anti-indian or the sell out coolie, did Ramotar's son ever fulfill that Fibre Optic Contract?
Project abandoned,approx US$40 million spent.
Ah, my fact checker. Thanks.
Nehru posted:I agree KP BUT what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.
That is why I say ,once you are in Politics there must be FULL disclosure and transparency. A country with less than 700,000 people what is there to hide. Look I know of two people who exploited the system and built/thief huge wealth such large houses over looking the Atlantic Ocean with swimming Pool also owned Palm Court and other businesses in and out of Guyana. with the salary as documented it would take the average person their entire life to get. Their assets out weighed their accumulated life salary. Infran Ali and Mannieram Prashad , two dunces that were tight with Jagdeo, one was boyfriend and the other wes something??? They milked the cow dry.
Sometimes i wonder,when the lines are to drawn to prosecute Guyanese politicians for wrong doings.Individuals will get upset it has to done.
That's why we need an outside impartial group so it's not a vengeful witch hunt by either party.
GTAngler posted:That's why we need an outside impartial group so it's not a vengeful witch hunt by either party.
There is a British who is assisting with the Investigation.
The damned Brits are the ones ultimately responsible in the first place. Who do you think sowed the seeds of dissent and mistrust between groups?
I think the US has a DEA office set up in Georgetown that is tracking the drug trade.
GTAngler posted:Didn't you just say that you reply when you see ignorant answers yet the first name that came to your head is Bibi even though she hasn't joined this thread? You've just proved that it is something personal. For the record, I don't know who Bibi is or if it's a he or she. Apparently she/he does know me though.
She always proudly says that she visits Jagdeo, obviously she knows a lot, only stands to reason she has the answer, but I will wait for her reply, which she will.
kp posted:I think the US has a DEA office set up in Georgetown that is tracking the drug trade.
Read "The Dark Side of Camelot" by Seymour Hirsch.........
Django posted:Lisaveta Ramotar arrested
March 7, 2017 Source
Lisaveta Ramotar has been detained by the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU) in connection with the ongoing probe into the Pradoville 2 housing scheme, sources say.
Ramotar, the daughter of former President Donald Ramotar, has been taken to the SOCU office. Sources say arrests of other persons in this probe are imminent.
I SAY...LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY FALL..THE GUILTY SHALL PAY FOR STEALING FROM THE POOR. I am reminded of this every time I see the mansions in Pradoville
The problem is that those in power who are upholding the law were also engaged in transgressions...remember there were 28 years, not just the Jagdeo/Ramotar years...this in itself is what makes this political...in the eyes of Indians this government is seen as racists and going after Indian leaders.
Guyana needs a comprehensive plan to cast a wider net ...SOCU needs to go back to 1968.
THey just arrested PM Luncheon. The man is sick and asked to be interviewed at the PPP Office but RUMJHAAAAAAAAATAN says no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My mistake, Seymour HERSH.....
Now President Bharat Jagdeo has been arrested.
Former Head of the Presidential Secretariat under the Peoples Progressive Party/ Civic (PPP/C) administration, Dr Roger Luncheon, was moments ago arrested by agents of the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU).
INews understands that Luncheon was arrested on the grounds that he allegedly acquired a house lot in Pradoville 2 by fraudulent means.
He was taken away from the Opposition Leaderâs Office in the company of his attorney, Anil Nandlall to the SOCU headquarters in Camp Street, Georgetown.
Nehru posted:Now President Bharat Jagdeo has been arrested.
Where you get this from?
Bhai, I just heard from a family
The PNC is clueless, the Guyanese people in a desperate situation, getting slowly like Somalia so they doing a Trump!!
If they can't show proof that they acquired the properties at Pradoville through legal means ,then they must pay the price, but like Nehru says ,they must also investigate not only along party lines but all politicians on both sides of the aisle .Who will investigate the Daylight Robbery of PNC 50% taking and Moses 23 vehicles.
Nehru posted:Bhai, I just heard from a family
Since when you start believing in rumors? Oh, I forget that is abee middle name. The whole of liberty is rumors until Vishnu & his attorneys had to come to the rescue. 
-FORMER president Bharrat Jagdeo escorted to SOCU for questioning over Prado Ville 2....
Prince, ker yuh Rass suh. see, I dont deal in rumors.
Dr. Jagdeo was escorted to COCU for questioning. He was NOT arrested. This negro is worst than Burnham. He will arrest every coolies from the PPP like Burnham did to Jagan's family and PPP members during this time. Granger's hope is to done away with his opposition for 2020 election, even though they are the biggest thieves in Guyana.
Lisaveta is persecuted politically by this anti-koolie racist squad. These racist beasts have no shame. It is all about Africans ruled by their own people.
I am NOT ready to declare Racism, at least not yet, I will wait to see the charges AND EVIDENCE.
Oh rant Iman feel proud of Nehru for a change.
It cant be racist if Luncheon is arrested. I meant Bias and vindictive.
This is a bloodless Military operation by Granger. He is attempting to to eradicate the opposition.
Indo Guyanese must rise up and defend their leaders if this happens.
Prince posted:Dr. Jagdeo was escorted to COCU for questioning. He was NOT arrested. This negro is worst than Burnham. He will arrest every coolies from the PPP like Burnham did to Jagan's family and PPP members during this time. Granger's hope is to done away with his opposition for 2020 election, even though they are the biggest thieves in Guyana.
Guyana will now become like Ghana and Nigeria.
Let justice takes its course.
yuji22 posted:Guyana will now become like Ghana and Nigeria.
You and others here kept asking when will those corrupt people the Coalation govt spoke about be charged..ohhhh what a waste of money and time etc. Well your prayers are now being answered.
Let the games begin.
How about the Ghana/Nigeria racist AFC/PNC administration arrest scumbag Glen Lall for the $ 400 Million owed to NICIL ?
Nehru is correct investigate all the politicians.
I think quite a number of people will be in trouble if they do that.
Prashad posted:Lisaveta is persecuted politically by this anti-koolie racist squad. These racist beasts have no shame. It is all about Africans ruled by their own people.
ohhh shut up! While PPP were in govt what races held positions? Give that some thought. Now, should the law go after.Chinese..Portuguese...Amerinds? If they were involved I say yes...but if it was mostly those of East Indian heritage who profitted from corrupt means who do you think should be charged?
When the PPP were in govt they could have gone after the PNC and other politicians who they thought were corrupt..they had chances to bring in help handed to them by the ABC countries and they turned them down. Why?
Former President Bharrat Jagdeo and former Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Dr Roger Luncheon were this afternoon arrested in connection with the Pradoville 2 probe.
Earlier, Lisaveta Ramotar had been detained by the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU) in connection with the ongoing probe into the Pradoville 2 housing scheme. Ramotar, the daughter of former President Donald Ramotar, has been taken to the SOCU office.
SOCU officials and Police later went to the Office of the Leader of the Opposition, Bharrat Jagdeo. There they arrested Dr Luncheon. He was then taken to the SOCU office. Jagdeo later went to the SOCU office on Camp Road along with Nandlall. He was placed under arrest at the SOCU office.
SOCU sources say charges will be laid against the three plus former Minister of Natural Resources, Robert Persaud among others.
The special investigation of the Sparendaam Housing Project, better known as Pradoville 2, which was part of a larger probe of the financial operations of the Central Housing and Planning Authority (CHPA), was conducted by accounting firm Ram & McRae, which found that awardees grossly underpaid for the lots by a total of nearly $250 million, while the state-owned National Industrial and Commercial Investments Limited (NICIL), National Communications Network (NCN) and Guyana Power and Light Inc (GPL) were never reimbursed for millions spent to execute preparatory works.
âOur examination leads to the conclusion that the project was done outside of the established procedures and that Minister Ally [sic] piloted every aspect of the transaction without recourse to the Authority. While the minister has considerable powers under the Housing Act, his role in the issue of titles was well outside of his functions and powers,â the report, seen by this newspaper, said.
Former President Bharrat Jagdeo (left) at his office on Church Street shortly before he left for the SOCU office where he was placed under arrest.
Former Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Dr Roger Luncheon on his way to the SOCU headquarters. Attorney Anil Nandlall is at right. (Keno George photo)
Prashad posted:Lisaveta is persecuted politically by this anti-koolie racist squad. These racist beasts have no shame. It is all about Africans ruled by their own people.
ohhh shut up! While PPP were in govt what races held positions? Give that some thought. Now, should the law go after.Chinese..Portuguese...Amerinds? If they were involved I say yes...but if it was mostly those of East Indian heritage who profitted from corrupt means who do you think should be charged?
That anti-koolie Jranger worst than Burnham. If the police had arrested Ralph, he brother, Joey and he sister then that police would have had a visit from Burnham ordering their release. Not so with this Jranger.
Prashad posted:That anti-koolie Jranger worst than Burnham. If the police had arrested Ralph, he brother, Joey and he sister then that police would have had a visit from Burnham ordering their release. Not so with this Jranger.
Why the Guyanese politicians should get preferential treatment?? and not answer for wrong doings.
In the ole USA no mercy they are hauled in.
Prince posted:Dr. Jagdeo was escorted to COCU for questioning. He was NOT arrested. This negro is worst than Burnham. He will arrest every coolies from the PPP like Burnham did to Jagan's family and PPP members during this time. Granger's hope is to done away with his opposition for 2020 election, even though they are the biggest thieves in Guyana.
In Jagdeo own words own words after he was releases "Yes i was arrested"
Oh rass, like DG will finally get to add something of substance to his PPP Jailed for corruption thread after 2 years.
Chief posted:Let justice takes its course.
I agree with Chief, let coolie face the wrath of negros.
All criminals will pay the price it so happen they belong to the PPP. The PPP had their chance when in government to go after the PNC. Maybe there was nothing or they just condone criminal activity.
I notice Jagdeo only have that one blue shirt.
They are trying to divert attention away from the controversial parking meter scandal which triggered daily protest against the government. While they are busily stealing in government they are pretending to be saints by bringing charges of corruption against their political adversaries. The recent $250 million contract to rehabilitate the Kitty Market cost no more than $40 million for materials and labor. Just think about an additional $200 million added on.
This move by the PNC will galvanize more opposition to the government. The PNC is acting carefree thinking that they don't need votes from the AFC or any other group since they will resurrect the Burnham magic to keep themselves in power way beyond 2020. This will not happen. People have gotten accustomed to freedom and economic growth and they will demand that the PNC leave government by the ballot. International pressure will be brought on this regime if continues to act in this high-handed fashion.
cain posted:I notice Jagdeo only have that one blue shirt.
Soon he will receive free clothing all paid by the taxpayers.
Jagdeo mek dem Officers look like lil Pickney. He said he feel sorry for them.
Jagdeo is the REAL President of Guyana.
GTAngler posted:The damned Brits are the ones ultimately responsible in the first place. Who do you think sowed the seeds of dissent and mistrust b, so they began the etween groups?
The British who were responsible were 19th century planters. In the 1840s there were two strikes by the formers slaves who demanded higher wages and better working conditions. The first strike was highly successful and the planters had to concede.
They then decided that their best chance was to have an employment force which they could divide and rule. They then decided to start the indenture system and to bring in West Indian workers (mainly Bajans). The second strike failed as the immigrants didn't participate.
The largest group if indentures were Indians. By the 1880 the bulk of the estate workers were Indians, and they too had begun to strike for better wages and working conditions. The planters had by then succeeded in ensuring that the villages established by the former slaves had failed. They flooded them out and over taxed the villagers, and also prevented the villagers from acquiring more lands, and charged them heavily for lands that they rented to them.
So they used the black villagers and Bajan workers as scab to undermine the indentured workers.
I hope you will see how silly you are by claiming that the British of today care one white for what British planters did over 100 years ago.
We can only hope that the forensic and other assistance that the UK and the USA are providing will be put to good use, and not used in a witch hunt. If it is the latter the APNU AFC gov't will lose in court and look even sillier than they currently are.
Django posted:Jagdeo, Luncheon arrested in Pradoville 2 probe
-Robert Persaud to also be charged.
Former President Bharrat Jagdeo and former Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Dr Roger Luncheon were this afternoon arrested in connection with the Pradoville 2 probe.
Earlier, Lisaveta Ramotar had been detained by the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU) in connection with the ongoing probe into the Pradoville 2 housing scheme. Ramotar, the daughter of former President Donald Ramotar, has been taken to the SOCU office.
SOCU officials and Police later went to the Office of the Leader of the Opposition, Bharrat Jagdeo. There they arrested Dr Luncheon. He was then taken to the SOCU office. Jagdeo later went to the SOCU office on Camp Road along with Nandlall. He was placed under arrest at the SOCU office.
SOCU sources say charges will be laid against the three plus former Minister of Natural Resources, Robert Persaud among others.
The special investigation of the Sparendaam Housing Project, better known as Pradoville 2, which was part of a larger probe of the financial operations of the Central Housing and Planning Authority (CHPA), was conducted by accounting firm Ram & McRae, which found that awardees grossly underpaid for the lots by a total of nearly $250 million, while the state-owned National Industrial and Commercial Investments Limited (NICIL), National Communications Network (NCN) and Guyana Power and Light Inc (GPL) were never reimbursed for millions spent to execute preparatory works.
âOur examination leads to the conclusion that the project was done outside of the established procedures and that Minister Ally [sic] piloted every aspect of the transaction without recourse to the Authority. While the minister has considerable powers under the Housing Act, his role in the issue of titles was well outside of his functions and powers,â the report, seen by this newspaper, said.
Former President Bharrat Jagdeo (left) at his office on Church Street shortly before he left for the SOCU office where he was placed under arrest.
Looks like a mafia godfather heading to court. The man got class.
Pointblank posted:Prince posted:Dr. Jagdeo was escorted to COCU for questioning. He was NOT arrested. This negro is worst than Burnham. He will arrest every coolies from the PPP like Burnham did to Jagan's family and PPP members during this time. Granger's hope is to done away with his opposition for 2020 election, even though they are the biggest thieves in Guyana.
In Jagdeo own words own words after he was releases "Yes i was arrested"
You are excused for not knowing the difference of being in handcuffs and let's take a walk to socu office. This will give your favorite monkey some mileage and exposure for his economic disaster for the past two years. What more you want to teach the uneducated coolies?
Cobra posted:Pointblank posted:Prince posted:Dr. Jagdeo was escorted to COCU for questioning. He was NOT arrested. This negro is worst than Burnham. He will arrest every coolies from the PPP like Burnham did to Jagan's family and PPP members during this time. Granger's hope is to done away with his opposition for 2020 election, even though they are the biggest thieves in Guyana.
In Jagdeo own words own words after he was releases "Yes i was arrested"
You are excused for not knowing the difference of being in handcuffs and let's take a walk to socu office. This will give your favorite monkey some mileage and exposure for his economic disaster for the past two years. What more you want to teach the uneducated coolies?
hen asked by reporters after he as released if he wa arrested BJ said "Yes i was arrested"
dumb As$ tell uyou may not be aware but you dont have to be in handcuffs to be arrested
kp posted:cain posted:I notice Jagdeo only have that one blue shirt.
Soon he will receive free clothing all paid by the taxpayers.
BJ said he have immunity
Pointblank posted:kp posted:cain posted:I notice Jagdeo only have that one blue shirt.
Soon he will receive free clothing all paid by the taxpayers.
BJ said he have immunity
Good for him,Burnham help out.
I thought plenty of you were asking for the govt to make arrests if they felt that there were corruption....what happen now...ayuh upset
RiffRaff posted:I thought plenty of you were asking for the govt to make arrests if they felt that there were corruption....what happen now...ayuh upset
You lack basic common sense. Tell me the charges. Trump should round you up for being Stupid.
That Riffraff think he is an arab but those Arabs will kick some sense into his brown koolie behind and send him back to Guyana.
Jagdeo said he has immunity,he is in official office,well planned put the pieces together.
Video here
They may all be politically and racially motivated charges.
Prashad posted:They may all be politically and racially motivated charges.
After the PPP loss in 2015,he knew what was coming and positioned himself from prosecution,that fella know how to protect himself.
Let the chips fall where they may! However, charge everyone involved not just a selected few. Hopefully, the Sanata deal will be looked into also. Somewhere down the line the Bond deal will be looked into.
VVP, will not happen, the PNC is in your face Bias, intimidation and victimization. Dat is how they roll!!!
Jagdeo trying to hide behind Burnham's immunity provisions is a joke. Presidents should be provided immunity for actions which they honestly believe were in the interest of the country and as such should be defended by the government/AG and not be held personally liable.
Presidents should not be able to hide behind actions that enrich themselves or cohorts because that is CORRUPTION.
Nehru posted:VVP, will not happen, the PNC is in your face Bias, intimidation and victimization. Dat is how they roll!!!
This action sets a precedent in Guyana for going after former presidents for allege illegal actions. i think it is a good thing.
VVP posted:Let the chips fall where they may! However, charge everyone involved not just a selected few. Hopefully, the Sanata deal will be looked into also. Somewhere down the line the Bond deal will be looked into.
so why SOCU cant go back to 1968?
VVP posted:Nehru posted:VVP, will not happen, the PNC is in your face Bias, intimidation and victimization. Dat is how they roll!!!
This action sets a precedent in Guyana for going after former presidents for allege illegal actions. i think it is a good thing.
Exactly! If they get away with it guess what? I say no more other than there will be acussin an aspittin when this govt does the same.
The people will yet again lose.
Well except for the few who follow Prashad to his lil rock in the middle of de ocean.
VishMahabir posted:VVP posted:Let the chips fall where they may! However, charge everyone involved not just a selected few. Hopefully, the Sanata deal will be looked into also. Somewhere down the line the Bond deal will be looked into.
so why SOCU cant go back to 1968?
lots ah dem die out...
VishMahabir posted:VVP posted:Let the chips fall where they may! However, charge everyone involved not just a selected few. Hopefully, the Sanata deal will be looked into also. Somewhere down the line the Bond deal will be looked into.
so why SOCU cant go back to 1968?
I never said the PNC will prosecute themselves. They are scamps also. How did they get the whole plot of land in Sophia for Congress place? I agree that all thieving should be prosecuted, but someone else will have to prosecute the PNC. The PPP was weak or maybe they thought they could thief like the PNC and get off with it. Looks like "you did it too" will not work as a defense.
RiffRaff posted:VishMahabir posted:VVP posted:Let the chips fall where they may! However, charge everyone involved not just a selected few. Hopefully, the Sanata deal will be looked into also. Somewhere down the line the Bond deal will be looked into.
so why SOCU cant go back to 1968?
lots ah dem die out...
Investigate Joe Harmon? Let him show SOCU where he hid the $5mil(US). Arrest him and put him in handcuffs.
skeldon_man posted:RiffRaff posted:VishMahabir posted:VVP posted:Let the chips fall where they may! However, charge everyone involved not just a selected few. Hopefully, the Sanata deal will be looked into also. Somewhere down the line the Bond deal will be looked into.
so why SOCU cant go back to 1968?
lots ah dem die out...
Investigate Joe Harmon? Let him show SOCU where he hid the $5mil(US). Arrest him and put him in handcuffs.
That they should. Also that slimy one that ran out the country with his tail between his legs Brazzy.
Government of Guyana Statement
Government of Cooperative Republic of Guyana statement on SOCU investigation
The Government of the Cooperative Republic of Guyana has been informed of the ongoing investigations by the Special Organized Crime Unit (SOCU). The Government has been informed that SOCU has conducted interviews with a number of agencies and individuals in relation to the âPradoville 2â Forensic Audit which was referred to the unit.
SOCU, the Government has been informed, has conducted interviews with the Department of Housing, the Central Housing and Planning Authority, National Industrial and Commercial Investments Limited (NICIL), the Betterhope/Sparendaam Neighbourhood Democratic Council, Guyana Power and Light, Guyana Water Inc, National Communications Network and various other agencies and individuals in an effort to, among other things, determine the market value of the Pradoville 2 complex. Interviews, the government has been informed, are ongoing.
The Government has further been informed that specific individuals were invited to the SOCU Office at Eve Leary for questioning during the course of this week and that some of the individuals complied while some did not. The Government has been specifically informed that in the case of two prominent former government officials â former President Bharrat Jagdeo and former Head of the Presidential Secretariat Dr. Roger Luncheon â they declined to visit the SOCU office for questioning and were arrested, questioned and subsequently released on their own recognizance.
The Government notes SOCUâs meticulous, fair and independent work in investigating this immensely serious matter relating to state assets and looks forward to a thorough and comprehensive investigation and for the law to take its course and justice to be served. The Government notes spurious allegations of political vendetta and harassment and dismisses same as SOCU is operating independently and without any interference or direction.
The Government reaffirms its stated position that the assets of the state belong to the people of Guyana and under no circumstances will it condone or overlook any action which resulted in the improper, illegal or unjust distribution of same.
-ENDS-
After Ramayya left the AFC, Granger is sending a message. Any politician who is not PNC/AFC is liable to be arrested and thrown in jail without just cause.
BS..they are doing what they were voted in to do. Why you people crying the blues now after all the big mouth the last year or so? I wouldnt be surprised if they are only made to fork over the difference just to appease the population.
This is a dangerous precedence. From the content of the article there appears to be no arrest warrant provided by any judge. Socu seems to be endowed with authority that circumvents the court system.
Did RK and the various groups some here were thrilled about, need arrest warrants when they offed about 400 persons?
Drugb posted:This is a dangerous precedence. From the content of the article there appears to be no arrest warrant provided by any judge. Socu seems to be endowed with authority that circumvents the court system.
So the police needs an arrest warrant before they could charge anyone?
VVP posted:Drugb posted:This is a dangerous precedence. From the content of the article there appears to be no arrest warrant provided by any judge. Socu seems to be endowed with authority that circumvents the court system.
So the police needs an arrest warrant before they could charge anyone?
Before they arrest these prominent citizens. Yes. Charging and arresting are two different things.
Cain and the Carib knew these arrest were going to happen. You all notice how they rejoin the forum a few days ago.
cain posted:Did RK and the various groups some here were thrilled about, need arrest warrants when they offed about 400 persons?
I thought you had me on ignore, no evidence exist that RK killed 400 persons nor that he was a govt sanctioned organization such as SOCU.
An arrest warrant is acquired in a court of law by presenting a judge with probable cause for arresting the suspect. ... Arrest warrants are most commonly required when a crime is committed out of view of a police officer. If a felony is committed in view of a police officer then an arrest can be made without a warrant.
Drugb posted:VVP posted:Drugb posted:This is a dangerous precedence. From the content of the article there appears to be no arrest warrant provided by any judge. Socu seems to be endowed with authority that circumvents the court system.
So the police needs an arrest warrant before they could charge anyone?
Before they arrest these prominent citizens. Yes. Charging and arresting are two different things.
Their lawyers were there. They didn't oppose the "arrest."
Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party.
VVP posted:Drugb posted:VVP posted:Drugb posted:This is a dangerous precedence. From the content of the article there appears to be no arrest warrant provided by any judge. Socu seems to be endowed with authority that circumvents the court system.
So the police needs an arrest warrant before they could charge anyone?
Before they arrest these prominent citizens. Yes. Charging and arresting are two different things.
Their lawyers were there. They didn't oppose the "arrest."
Maybe this is just Guyana's laws, that one can be arrested without a warrant. Or maybe they did have a warrant even thought it was not mentioned in the article.
kp posted:Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party.
Already you became judge and jury. I would be interested to see the evidence and their rational in formulating these charges. Or whether this is just political grandstanding to take the focus away from the failing economy and parking meter scandal.
Drugb posted:kp posted:Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party.
Already you became judge and jury. I would be interested to see the evidence and their rational in formulating these charges. Or whether this is just political grandstanding to take the focus away from the failing economy and parking meter scandal.
The evidence are the massive structures at Pradoville that you can see from the International space station .
Prashad posted:Cain and the Carib knew these arrest were going to happen. You all notice how they rejoin the forum a few days ago.
We were there in person..I thought you were aware of that.
Drugb posted:kp posted:Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party.
Already you became judge and jury. I would be interested to see the evidence and their rational in formulating these charges. Or whether this is just political grandstanding to take the focus away from the failing economy and parking meter scandal.
It might be political grandstanding as you said, but the arrest was based on findings of the forensic audit. I don't think anybody will be going to jail on this; most likely they will have to pay the fair value of the property cost. I think it will be very hard for them to prove that it was deliberate corruption. If they do, many one fall guy will be jailed.
skeldon_man posted:After Ramayya left the AFC, Granger is sending a message. Any politician who is not PNC/AFC is liable to be arrested and thrown in jail without just cause.
you rass better not go back they will trow you in jail for stealing at least you can hug bar rat and sleep
Drugb posted:This is a dangerous precedence. From the content of the article there appears to be no arrest warrant provided by any judge. Socu seems to be endowed with authority that circumvents the court system.
you ppp ass should be happy the government is cleaning up the ppp party now you guys can start with a clean slate
March 7, 2017 Source
Former President, Bharrat Jagdeo on Tuesday said he invoked presidential immunity when he was questioned by investigators of the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU) in connection with his acquisition of seaside house lots at Ogle-Sparendaam, East Coast Demerara (PradoVille 2) below market value.
âThey asked me several questions relating to the Pradoville transaction and I made a short statement because they asked me questions in my official capacity and I have immunities on those and so I refused to answer those questions,â Jagdeo, who served as President from 1999 to 2011, told reporters shortly after spending less than two hours in custody.
Guyanaâs constitutional provision on the immunity of current and former presidents states âThe holder of the office of President shall not be personally answerable to any court for the performance of the
function of his or her office or for any act done in the performance of those functions and no proceedings whether criminal or civil, shall be instituted against him or her in his or her personal capacity in respect thereof either during his or her term of office or thereafter.â
Who will Jags throw under the bus?
Much Ado About Nothing!
kp posted:Drugb posted:kp posted:Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party.
Already you became judge and jury. I would be interested to see the evidence and their rational in formulating these charges. Or whether this is just political grandstanding to take the focus away from the failing economy and parking meter scandal.
The evidence are the massive structures at Pradoville that you can see from the International space station .
Stop counting other people's money. Don't take people's accomplishment and make it your sadness. You will die a miserable soul. Coolie sickness is jealousy.
kp posted:Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party.
The third major political party is the AFC. Pay attention!
Bibi Haniffa posted:kp posted:Drugb posted:kp posted:Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party.
Already you became judge and jury. I would be interested to see the evidence and their rational in formulating these charges. Or whether this is just political grandstanding to take the focus away from the failing economy and parking meter scandal.
The evidence are the massive structures at Pradoville that you can see from the International space station .
Stop counting other people's money. Don't take people's accomplishment and make it your sadness. You will die a miserable soul. Coolie sickness is jealousy.
Bibi,
These are the Carbs. They are envious of those who have achieved. No wonder they drank Adam Harris and Glen Lall Pee.
Prashad posted:Cain and the Carib knew these arrest were going to happen. You all notice how they rejoin the forum a few days ago.
The whole PNC crew just crawled out from their cave. They were hiding when the parking meter debacle was taking center stage. They were silent when Norton was scamming his drug bond scheme.
beneficiaries of cheap house lots.
Jagdeo paid three times less than what ordinary citizens in the Diamond and Grove Housing Schemes, East Bank Demerara, would have been required to fork out.
Jagdeoâs payment for the Pradoville Two parcels translated to $5M per acre which works out at $114 per square foot; the ordinary man pays $317 per square foot for his plot.
Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), Shalimar Ali-Hack, and former Head of the Private Sector Commission (PSC), Ramesh Dookhoo.
The DPP has sweeping powers and holds an independent office.
Former Public Service Minister, Dr. Jennifer Westford; former Natural Resources Minister, Robert Persaud; Compton Bourne, former Head of the Caribbean Development Bank and UG Chancellor; Ghansham Singh and Kamini Parag-Singh and Florrie Loretta Ramnauth also received house lots.
Singh is said to be the son of former Labour Minister, Dr. Nanda Gopaul. They also paid just over $1.5M.
Ali-Hack and her husband, Moeen ul Hack, a top figure in the Central Islamic Organisation of Guyana (CIOG), paid $1,488,744 for a piece of land. The Certificates of Title were prepared in 2011.
Dookhoo, a Banks DIH executive, was a former Chairman of Private Sector Commission as well as the Guyana Water Inc. (GWI). He reportedly paid $1,502,500 for his plot with his title prepared in 2010.
Also benefitting was Lisaveta Ramotar, daughter of former President Donald Ramotar. She paid $1,515,000.
Former Home Affairs Minister, Clement Rohee; former GWI boss, Shaik Baksh and former Minister of Education, Priya Manickchand, also received lots, paying just over $1.5M each.
So too did former Army Chief, Rear Admiral Gary Best and sacked Chief Executive Officer of the embattled Guyana Sugar Corporation, Dr. Rajendra Singh.
Also named in the list were Andrew Bishop, a Presidential Advisor in the former administration and former Chief Executive Officer of the Guyana Lands and Surveys Commission.
Safraaz Khan and George Hallaq, said to be the countryâs former Middle East envoy, and a company called Future Developers International Guyana Inc., were also among the other names on the list
yuji22 posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:kp posted:Drugb posted:kp posted:Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party.
Already you became judge and jury. I would be interested to see the evidence and their rational in formulating these charges. Or whether this is just political grandstanding to take the focus away from the failing economy and parking meter scandal.
The evidence are the massive structures at Pradoville that you can see from the International space station .
Stop counting other people's money. Don't take people's accomplishment and make it your sadness. You will die a miserable soul. Coolie sickness is jealousy.
Bibi,
These are the Carbs. They are envious of those who have achieved. No wonder they drank Adam Harris and Glen Lall Pee.
Of all the people they could have gone after, they went after Roger Luncheon? Give me a frigid break! Desperation and witch hunting taking over after they piss away millions on forensic audits.
You gotta go down on your knees and cry me a riverrrrr
Yes you gotta go down on your knees and cry me a riiiiivveeerrrr.
Django posted:beneficiaries of cheap house lots.
Jagdeo paid three times less than what ordinary citizens in the Diamond and Grove Housing Schemes, East Bank Demerara, would have been required to fork out.
Jagdeoâs payment for the Pradoville Two parcels translated to $5M per acre which works out at $114 per square foot; the ordinary man pays $317 per square foot for his plot.Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), Shalimar Ali-Hack, and former Head of the Private Sector Commission (PSC), Ramesh Dookhoo.
The DPP has sweeping powers and holds an independent office.
Former Public Service Minister, Dr. Jennifer Westford; former Natural Resources Minister, Robert Persaud; Compton Bourne, former Head of the Caribbean Development Bank and UG Chancellor; Ghansham Singh and Kamini Parag-Singh and Florrie Loretta Ramnauth also received house lots.
Singh is said to be the son of former Labour Minister, Dr. Nanda Gopaul. They also paid just over $1.5M.
Ali-Hack and her husband, Moeen ul Hack, a top figure in the Central Islamic Organisation of Guyana (CIOG), paid $1,488,744 for a piece of land. The Certificates of Title were prepared in 2011.
Dookhoo, a Banks DIH executive, was a former Chairman of Private Sector Commission as well as the Guyana Water Inc. (GWI). He reportedly paid $1,502,500 for his plot with his title prepared in 2010.
Also benefitting was Lisaveta Ramotar, daughter of former President Donald Ramotar. She paid $1,515,000.
Former Home Affairs Minister, Clement Rohee; former GWI boss, Shaik Baksh and former Minister of Education, Priya Manickchand, also received lots, paying just over $1.5M each.
So too did former Army Chief, Rear Admiral Gary Best and sacked Chief Executive Officer of the embattled Guyana Sugar Corporation, Dr. Rajendra Singh.
Also named in the list were Andrew Bishop, a Presidential Advisor in the former administration and former Chief Executive Officer of the Guyana Lands and Surveys Commission.
Safraaz Khan and George Hallaq, said to be the countryâs former Middle East envoy, and a company called Future Developers International Guyana Inc., were also among the other names on the list
Show me Roger Luncheon's name!!!!!! And who determines the price of a piece of land - the PNC???????
Django posted:beneficiaries of cheap house lots.
Jagdeo paid three times less than what ordinary citizens in the Diamond and Grove Housing Schemes, East Bank Demerara, would have been required to fork out.
Jagdeoâs payment for the Pradoville Two parcels translated to $5M per acre which works out at $114 per square foot; the ordinary man pays $317 per square foot for his plot.Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), Shalimar Ali-Hack, and former Head of the Private Sector Commission (PSC), Ramesh Dookhoo.
The DPP has sweeping powers and holds an independent office.
Former Public Service Minister, Dr. Jennifer Westford; former Natural Resources Minister, Robert Persaud; Compton Bourne, former Head of the Caribbean Development Bank and UG Chancellor; Ghansham Singh and Kamini Parag-Singh and Florrie Loretta Ramnauth also received house lots.
Singh is said to be the son of former Labour Minister, Dr. Nanda Gopaul. They also paid just over $1.5M.
Ali-Hack and her husband, Moeen ul Hack, a top figure in the Central Islamic Organisation of Guyana (CIOG), paid $1,488,744 for a piece of land. The Certificates of Title were prepared in 2011.
Dookhoo, a Banks DIH executive, was a former Chairman of Private Sector Commission as well as the Guyana Water Inc. (GWI). He reportedly paid $1,502,500 for his plot with his title prepared in 2010.
Also benefitting was Lisaveta Ramotar, daughter of former President Donald Ramotar. She paid $1,515,000.
Former Home Affairs Minister, Clement Rohee; former GWI boss, Shaik Baksh and former Minister of Education, Priya Manickchand, also received lots, paying just over $1.5M each.
So too did former Army Chief, Rear Admiral Gary Best and sacked Chief Executive Officer of the embattled Guyana Sugar Corporation, Dr. Rajendra Singh.
Also named in the list were Andrew Bishop, a Presidential Advisor in the former administration and former Chief Executive Officer of the Guyana Lands and Surveys Commission.
Safraaz Khan and George Hallaq, said to be the countryâs former Middle East envoy, and a company called Future Developers International Guyana Inc., were also among the other names on the list
What happen to the one billion dollar gold that was smuggled out of Guyana under Granger's administration? Who is going to investigate that and send Granger to jail? In less than two years in office and the country is already cash strapped?
This is the second time they arrested Jagdeo and he walks free. This Government seems to have no priorities list. Can someone post their accomplishments to date?
Bibi Haniffa posted:Show me Roger Luncheon's name!!!!!! And who determines the price of a piece of land - the PNC???????
His name is missing,maybe it was forgotten to be listed,
that land belongs to the State and not because you are elected to rule, you can tek um fuh next to nothing,na only dah the amount of money spend to develop the area,where it come from ??
"THERE ARE PROCEDURES TO OWN STATE LANDS"
Cobra posted:What happen to the one billion dollar gold that was smuggled out of Guyana under Granger's administration? Who is going to investigate that and send Granger to jail? In less than two years in office and the country is already cash strapped?
Is duh wha Jagdeo seh,you sure yuh heard correctly.
alena06 posted:This is the second time they arrested Jagdeo and he walks free
Not so quick,there may be some loopholes,Burnham Constitution got all kind ways to interpret.
Django posted:beneficiaries of cheap house lots.
Jagdeo paid three times less than what ordinary citizens in the Diamond and Grove Housing Schemes, East Bank Demerara, would have been required to fork out.
Jagdeoâs payment for the Pradoville Two parcels translated to $5M per acre which works out at $114 per square foot; the ordinary man pays $317 per square foot for his plot.Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), Shalimar Ali-Hack, and former Head of the Private Sector Commission (PSC), Ramesh Dookhoo.
The DPP has sweeping powers and holds an independent office.
Former Public Service Minister, Dr. Jennifer Westford; former Natural Resources Minister, Robert Persaud; Compton Bourne, former Head of the Caribbean Development Bank and UG Chancellor; Ghansham Singh and Kamini Parag-Singh and Florrie Loretta Ramnauth also received house lots.
Singh is said to be the son of former Labour Minister, Dr. Nanda Gopaul. They also paid just over $1.5M.
Ali-Hack and her husband, Moeen ul Hack, a top figure in the Central Islamic Organisation of Guyana (CIOG), paid $1,488,744 for a piece of land. The Certificates of Title were prepared in 2011.
Dookhoo, a Banks DIH executive, was a former Chairman of Private Sector Commission as well as the Guyana Water Inc. (GWI). He reportedly paid $1,502,500 for his plot with his title prepared in 2010.
Also benefitting was Lisaveta Ramotar, daughter of former President Donald Ramotar. She paid $1,515,000.
Former Home Affairs Minister, Clement Rohee; former GWI boss, Shaik Baksh and former Minister of Education, Priya Manickchand, also received lots, paying just over $1.5M each.
So too did former Army Chief, Rear Admiral Gary Best and sacked Chief Executive Officer of the embattled Guyana Sugar Corporation, Dr. Rajendra Singh.
Also named in the list were Andrew Bishop, a Presidential Advisor in the former administration and former Chief Executive Officer of the Guyana Lands and Surveys Commission.
Safraaz Khan and George Hallaq, said to be the countryâs former Middle East envoy, and a company called Future Developers International Guyana Inc., were also among the other names on the list
What is the source of this article? And how is the appraisal value of house lots calculated? What was the appraised value of these lots at the time of sale? I betcha you would have bought one of those lots if you had the opportunity too. 
alena06 posted:Django posted:beneficiaries of cheap house lots.
Jagdeo paid three times less than what ordinary citizens in the Diamond and Grove Housing Schemes, East Bank Demerara, would have been required to fork out.
Jagdeoâs payment for the Pradoville Two parcels translated to $5M per acre which works out at $114 per square foot; the ordinary man pays $317 per square foot for his plot.Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), Shalimar Ali-Hack, and former Head of the Private Sector Commission (PSC), Ramesh Dookhoo.
The DPP has sweeping powers and holds an independent office.
Former Public Service Minister, Dr. Jennifer Westford; former Natural Resources Minister, Robert Persaud; Compton Bourne, former Head of the Caribbean Development Bank and UG Chancellor; Ghansham Singh and Kamini Parag-Singh and Florrie Loretta Ramnauth also received house lots.
Singh is said to be the son of former Labour Minister, Dr. Nanda Gopaul. They also paid just over $1.5M.
Ali-Hack and her husband, Moeen ul Hack, a top figure in the Central Islamic Organisation of Guyana (CIOG), paid $1,488,744 for a piece of land. The Certificates of Title were prepared in 2011.
Dookhoo, a Banks DIH executive, was a former Chairman of Private Sector Commission as well as the Guyana Water Inc. (GWI). He reportedly paid $1,502,500 for his plot with his title prepared in 2010.
Also benefitting was Lisaveta Ramotar, daughter of former President Donald Ramotar. She paid $1,515,000.
Former Home Affairs Minister, Clement Rohee; former GWI boss, Shaik Baksh and former Minister of Education, Priya Manickchand, also received lots, paying just over $1.5M each.
So too did former Army Chief, Rear Admiral Gary Best and sacked Chief Executive Officer of the embattled Guyana Sugar Corporation, Dr. Rajendra Singh.
Also named in the list were Andrew Bishop, a Presidential Advisor in the former administration and former Chief Executive Officer of the Guyana Lands and Surveys Commission.
Safraaz Khan and George Hallaq, said to be the countryâs former Middle East envoy, and a company called Future Developers International Guyana Inc., were also among the other names on the listWhat is the source of this article? And how is the appraisal value of house lots calculated? What was the appraised value of these lots at the time of sale? I betcha you would have bought one of those lots if you had the opportunity too.
Alena
You are too intelligent and beautiful to waste your time with Django. Watch these AFC/PNC fools fall apart in court.
alena06 posted:What is the source of this article? And how is the appraisal value of house lots calculated? What was the appraised value of these lots at the time of sale? I betcha you would have bought one of those lots if you had the opportunity too.
The Waterfalls paper,
talking bout buying fuh that price i could have bought all the house lots cash 1yr $$ when money was flowing.
Oye Yugi,tek it light,
wha happen alena cant talk to me.
kp posted:Nehru posted:I agree KP BUT what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.
That is why I say ,once you are in Politics there must be FULL disclosure and transparency. A country with less than 700,000 people what is there to hide. Look I know of two people who exploited the system and built/thief huge wealth such large houses over looking the Atlantic Ocean with swimming Pool also owned Palm Court and other businesses in and out of Guyana. with the salary as documented it would take the average person their entire life to get. Their assets out weighed their accumulated life salary. Infran Ali and Mannieram Prashad , two dunces that were tight with Jagdeo, one was boyfriend and the other wes something??? They milked the cow dry.
One trait that Guyanese possess is their mastery of the 'rumor mill'. Anyone who has ACTUALLY seen Irfan Ali's house will tell you that there is nothing fanciful or special about it. Many of us have read so much about the 'pool house'; it is in fact quite basic; material, fittings and fixtures are nothing to scream about. I can list numerous other homes in Guyana that make Ali's look quite ordinary.
Nehru posted:Those CRIMINALS in Govt. I hope all of Burnham families who got Hope Estate, Roxanne Burnham Gardem, Ray hometown and others are Prosecuted!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nehrubhai, do not get your hopes up too high. Burnham's dunce son-in-law was brought back a to head up the provision and distribution of potable water and the first point of his attention was Sophia.....a slum area in which PNC goons and thugs live. These shitheads do not pay a penny in property or income taxes but they are prioritized ...at the top of the list for dumb-ass Van West Charles to make happy !! Talk about progress ......
The arrest/questioning of some of those who received house lots in Spaarendam seems to have caused quite a stir here on GNI. I am not a lawyer. However, here are my thoughts.
1. I believe that any one who steals or is corrupt should be brought to justice through the ordinary functioning of the legal system.
2. I am unsure whether these individuals have been charged. Charges can only be instituted on the advice of the DPP. They can be questioned. As far as I know, no arrest warrant is required as in the states.
3. I think the issue here was that the individuals were reluctant to being interviewed at SOCU headquarters. Made a request for an alternate site which, by their action, the government refused.
4. I thought that this was high handed action by socu, especially for Jagdeo and luncheon. A certain level of courtesy is generally accorded or should be in certain circumstances and for certain individuals.
5. This is an attempt to divert attention from the utter mess the coalition has made in governing the country, especially in economic matters and the resulting loss of support. The AFC support has disappeared and ApNU support has gotten soft, some supporters are saying openly that at least if Jagdeo was stealing, they were still getting some, making some money.
5. This is not a slam -dunk case for the police. There are many legal issues that they need to surmount, the most important one being intent. How can you prove criminal intent of someone, eg. Gary Best, who has paid a price for the land, who knows that the govt. has been giving out subsidized land to thousand of guyanese, who does not know the actual procedure for acquiring land or the value of the land that he or she receives, received a transport that was advertised and that was not opposed? Who assessed the land and the different assessment by different officials.
Also, jagdeo will claim his immunity as per the constitution and use that to cover the action of all the other. He can say ga he authorized it and it is left to the police to show that in receiving the land, they knew it wwas a corrupt act.
just my thought. I am certain legal luminaries on the site will correct me in the areas tha I erred.
"2. I am unsure whether these individuals have been charged. Charges can only be instituted on the advice of the DPP. They can be questioned. As far as I know, no arrest warrant is required as in the states."
Another loophole to the above,charges will be instituted with direction from another body [if i can recall the special prosecutors] ,the clearance was given by the DPP.
I read it in one of the media.
"Also, jagdeo will claim his immunity as per the constitution and use that to cover the action of all the other. He can say ga he authorized it and it is left to the police to show that in receiving the land, they knew it wwas a corrupt act."
Burnham,unprogressive Constitution working well for kleptocracy.
If corruption is proven by the Courts,his credibility is on the line,well in Guyana who cares.
Djano, using the "if" in your response is the first sign of poor reasoning. You know the old statement that if wishes were horses, beggars will ride.
if I remember correctly, the president of the US receives certain exceptions, including not declaring conflict of interest. Maybe many more.
i live in Guyana and I can state without anybreservation that I care about what happens here. Do you? Yes you might have relative here. Posting articles here is not an indication that you care.
Regarding the special prosecutors, what is given can be revoked. The matter will be played out in the courts in the future. Time will tell.
Django posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:Show me Roger Luncheon's name!!!!!! And who determines the price of a piece of land - the PNC???????
His name is missing,maybe it was forgotten to be listed,
that land belongs to the State and not because you are elected to rule, you can tek um fuh next to nothing,na only dah the amount of money spend to develop the area,where it come from ??
"THERE ARE PROCEDURES TO OWN STATE LANDS"
What did Burnham and Green did . They burrow .... Green is alive and they giving him more .
Banna you get cockeyed like rumjat
Zed posted:Djano, using the "if" in your response is the first sign of poor reasoning. You know the old statement that if wishes were horses, beggars will ride.
if I remember correctly, the president of the US receives certain exceptions, including not declaring conflict of interest. Maybe many more.
i live in Guyana and I can state without anybreservation that I care about what happens here. Do you? Yes you might have relative here. Posting articles here is not an indication that you care.
Regarding the special prosecutors, what is given can be revoked. The matter will be played out in the courts in the future. Time will tell.
Very well said !!! On this same thread he claimed to be American. His only care about Guyana is for negroes .
i am sure he backside didn't protest in the streets of America what The Trump administration is doing to immigrants.
My apology if you did , but show me a picture you in the protest line . You are a ***k in immigrant who can be kill any time base on what's going on there.
So let hear you bai,
Imran posted:Django posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:Show me Roger Luncheon's name!!!!!! And who determines the price of a piece of land - the PNC???????
His name is missing,maybe it was forgotten to be listed,
that land belongs to the State and not because you are elected to rule, you can tek um fuh next to nothing,na only dah the amount of money spend to develop the area,where it come from ??
"THERE ARE PROCEDURES TO OWN STATE LANDS"
What did Burnham and Green did . They burrow .... Green is alive and they giving him more .
Banna you get cockeyed like rumjat
This chap is a Dirty Indo. His behaviour is quite disgraceful in promoting the demise of Indos.
He is in the same "Boat" at Cockeye Chammar Rumjattan.
Not only Hamilton Green, but Greenidge and many other PNC skunks destroyed Guyana and are walking free and being rewarded by more.
Another Skunk Glen Lall owes $ 400 Million but Django is afraid of the PNC giving him a Greasy Pole if he speaks out.
I have confirmation of someone very close to him drinking PNC soup but I will elaborate no further. I shake my head when these Dirty Indos speak.
warrior posted:skeldon_man posted:After Ramayya left the AFC, Granger is sending a message. Any politician who is not PNC/AFC is liable to be arrested and thrown in jail without just cause.
you rass better not go back they will trow you in jail for stealing at least you can hug bar rat and sleep
Why don't you post during the day?
yuji22 posted:I have confirmation of someone very close to him drinking PNC soup but I will elaborate no further. I shake my head when these Dirty Indos speak.
Yugi,
seriously ... elaborate,I will prove you have the wrong person,
it's a challenge take it on,show your mettle.
While in office Jagdeo should have gone after all those who mismanaged (tief) funds you guys are speaking about, but he saw an opportunity to do the same. The new govt was put into position by the people to put an end to the madness that Guyanese had become acclimatized to.
Isn,t it sad instead of taking their governments to task by taking to the streets in numbers demanding a stop to organized theft...bombarding the papers, airwaves, they instead use words such as "whem dem PNC ah tief an we doan get a share, at least when PPP ah tief we does get lil bit"
This govt has to go one step further...go after all who has used state funds as their own, regardless of which party they belong.
cain posted:While in office Jagdeo should have gone after all those who mismanaged (tief) funds you guys are speaking about, but he saw an opportunity to do the same. The new govt was put into position by the people to put an end to the madness that Guyanese had become acclimatized to.
Isn,t it sad instead of taking their governments to task by taking to the streets in numbers demanding a stop to organized theft...bombarding the papers, airwaves, they instead use words such as "whem dem PNC ah tief an we doan get a share, at least when PPP ah tief we does get lil bit"
This govt has to go one step further...go after all who has used state funds as their own, regardless of which party they belong.
That's correct the money pilfered can be used for providing better services for the people which is only 750,000.
G$ 1 billion "Fibre Optic Project" gone down the drain not a word from the PPP sympathizers.
Some gov't at some time have to put a stop.
cain posted:While in office Jagdeo should have gone after all those who mismanaged (tief) funds you guys are speaking about, but he saw an opportunity to do the same. The new govt was put into position by the people to put an end to the madness that Guyanese had become acclimatized to.
Isn,t it sad instead of taking their governments to task by taking to the streets in numbers demanding a stop to organized theft...bombarding the papers, airwaves, they instead use words such as "whem dem PNC ah tief an we doan get a share, at least when PPP ah tief we does get lil bit"
This govt has to go one step further...go after all who has used state funds as their own, regardless of which party they belong.
Can you say who was found guilty of the crime you speaking of .
Why, you wanna go after them for your share of the loot too?
Imran posted:cain posted:While in office Jagdeo should have gone after all those who mismanaged (tief) funds you guys are speaking about, but he saw an opportunity to do the same. The new govt was put into position by the people to put an end to the madness that Guyanese had become acclimatized to.
Isn,t it sad instead of taking their governments to task by taking to the streets in numbers demanding a stop to organized theft...bombarding the papers, airwaves, they instead use words such as "whem dem PNC ah tief an we doan get a share, at least when PPP ah tief we does get lil bit"
This govt has to go one step further...go after all who has used state funds as their own, regardless of which party they belong.
Can you say who was found guilty of the crime you speaking of .
A certain group of less intelligent individuals are spewing nonsense. They will continue to live in the dust of Ignorance and live from pillar to pillar.
Speaking from experience deh yugi.
KAIETEUR NEWS, AUGUST 18, 2015: "The Burnham family had a lease of three acres behind the Botanic Gardens in the eighties. About twenty-five years after, the family applied for prescriptive rights which people naturally do under the law. In 2010, the Jagdeo regime abolished prescriptive rights, which the present government needs to reexamine.
After the death of Mrs. Viola Burnham, the daughters sold two of the three acres to China Trading. Mr. Kamana Burnham, the Presidentâs adopted son, was left with one acre on which he presently lives in the family house. In fairness to the correct recording of history, Mr. Kamana Burnham objected to the sale of all three acres. Out of obligation to the objectivity of political analysis, it must be noted that the Burnham daughters did receive an awesome sum for the two acres."
GILBAKKA'S COMMENT: He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone. The PNC, which is the kernel of APNU, is not without sin. The PNC regime had used its power to expropriate lands and homes belonging to individuals and private companies for government, party and leading supporters' use. When Cheddi Jagan became president he did not arrest former President Desmond Hoyte, Prime Minister Hamilton Green, or any PNC minister or official.
According to the Guyana Constitution, the President is entitled to immunity from prosecution for actions undertaken while in office. There is no exception or waiver of that immunity. By authorizing the acquisition and development of Pradoville2, ex-President Jagdeo in effect gave legal authority to the purchasers of Pradoville2 lands. Necessary paper work was completed by the Central Housing and Planning Authority, the body vested with power to legalize the transactions.
In my opinion, the only ex-PPP minister who should be arrested is Priya Manickchand, who breached her CH&PA agreement and sold her property before 10 years.
Having said the above, I am not implying that the PPP ministers were angels. Even supporters like Skeldon_Man acknowledged corruption/thieving.
Django posted:cain posted:While in office Jagdeo should have gone after all those who mismanaged (tief) funds you guys are speaking about, but he saw an opportunity to do the same. The new govt was put into position by the people to put an end to the madness that Guyanese had become acclimatized to.
Isn,t it sad instead of taking their governments to task by taking to the streets in numbers demanding a stop to organized theft...bombarding the papers, airwaves, they instead use words such as "whem dem PNC ah tief an we doan get a share, at least when PPP ah tief we does get lil bit"
This govt has to go one step further...go after all who has used state funds as their own, regardless of which party they belong.
That's correct the money pilfered can be used for providing better services for the people which is only 750,000.
G$ 1 billion "Fibre Optic Project" gone down the drain not a word from the PPP sympathizers.
Some gov't at some time have to put a stop.
You must have heard of bad investment... the same country you live in is no exception.
What you should have done was go back home and be involved while you pay your taxes . You would have a voice.
You could have chair a committee to over look the projects ... maybe maybe we would have a different discussion. Eh bai.
Its easy to sit behind the computer critizing and not having a first had experience.
It amazing Django ... you were preparing to run from your birth country during pnc time and you are blind to what they did.
Imran posted:It amazing Django ... you were preparing to run from your birth country during pnc time and you are blind to what they did.
Bhai Imran,I could have stayed,the children future was the cause to migrate,it's not easy leave your possessions to start a new life at 43,good luck I did ok,by the way i left in 1996.
Me guh bet,you did the same because of your children future.
What bother me the most is all you deserters living in comfort far away from Guyana playing president. Judge and police. Let's be civil think what you would want for any country much more so for a poor country. Would you condone fraud. thieving. party favors etc. I say no. So let the present government do their investigation there is the courts that you can show all evidence.If the PPP was in office and the table had turned would you not want them to investigate the PNC. That is why the small time criminals exist because they see the guys at the top helping themselves and nothing is passed down to them so they have to fen for themselves. This cycle of corruption must stop.
If Jagdeo hide behind immunity in this investigation he will be a dead duck politically.
Immunity should only cover actions done in the best interest of the country not where there is personal benefit from potentially corrupt acts.
Sophia, Hope Estate, Roxanne gardens, Melanie, dem even put dem pickney name on the place. Should be easy to prosecute!!!!!!!!!!
VVP posted:It might be political grandstanding as you said, but the arrest was based on findings of the forensic audit. I don't think anybody will be going to jail on this; most likely they will have to pay the fair value of the property cost. I think it will be very hard for them to prove that it was deliberate corruption. If they do, many one fall guy will be jailed.
Well I hope they have a time machine to go back in the past and figure out the assessed value of land back then. I believe these folks are considering the cost of the land after the land bubble started post 2011.
kp posted:Drugb posted:kp posted:Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party.
Already you became judge and jury. I would be interested to see the evidence and their rational in formulating these charges. Or whether this is just political grandstanding to take the focus away from the failing economy and parking meter scandal.
The evidence are the massive structures at Pradoville that you can see from the International space station .
Looks like there is scope creep here, first you said the land was under purchased, now you tell us about building structure.
How did President Jagdeo got the land where he built his Mansion?
He and Bobby need to be in Jail corrupt fellas.
Chief posted:How did President Jagdeo got the land where he built his Mansion?
He and Bobby need to be in Jail corrupt fellas.
Chief, how/why did you conclude that Jagdeo's house is to be classified as a mansion ? I can tell you that, out of curiousity, I drove by during my last trip to Guyana and saw the house close up. It is a larger home, however, I most certainly would not describe it as you did. Should he have chosen to live in a 'jhopri' instead ? Why was 'mansion' or 'palace' not used to describe Burnham's residence on Vlissengen Road ? I know why; the person who did that would have been eliminated !
Chief posted:How did President Jagdeo got the land where he built his Mansion?
He and Bobby need to be in Jail corrupt fellas.
Chief, he bought the land; he has legal title to it !
These charges are nothing more than a racially motivated witch hunt. It is all about Africans wanting to be ruled by fellow Africans.
Keffer posted:Chief posted:How did President Jagdeo got the land where he built his Mansion?
He and Bobby need to be in Jail corrupt fellas.
Chief, he bought the land; he has legal title to it !
You sure Bhai?
Chief posted:Keffer posted:Chief posted:How did President Jagdeo got the land where he built his Mansion?
He and Bobby need to be in Jail corrupt fellas.
Chief, he bought the land; he has legal title to it !
You sure Bhai?
Chief,wha you waan fuh seh,a check was written and the money returned.
Well...let him show the cancelled check.
Keffer posted:Why was 'mansion' or 'palace' not used to describe Burnham's residence on Vlissengen Road ? I know why; the person who did that would have been eliminated !
Keff, the Residence on Vlissengen Road was not Burnham's private property. It is state-owned. As President, Burnham should have moved to State House on Main Street, but he chose to remain in the Residence which Janet Jagan converted to a national art gallery. And she named the thing with as many letters as VLISSENGEN ---CASTELLANI ---- 10 letters each!
Gilbakka posted:Keffer posted:Why was 'mansion' or 'palace' not used to describe Burnham's residence on Vlissengen Road ? I know why; the person who did that would have been eliminated !Keff, the Residence on Vlissengen Road was not Burnham's private property. It is state-owned. As President, Burnham should have moved to State House on Main Street, but he chose to remain in the Residence which Janet Jagan converted to a national art gallery. And she named the thing with as many letters as VLISSENGEN ---CASTELLANI ---- 10 letters each!
I am aware of the ownership of the property, Gilly; I was merely pointing out that Burnham's residence was substantially larger than Jagdeo's homebut no 'adjectives' were used to describe Burnham's.
Chief posted:Keffer posted:Chief posted:How did President Jagdeo got the land where he built his Mansion?
He and Bobby need to be in Jail corrupt fellas.
Chief, he bought the land; he has legal title to it !
You sure Bhai?
I am positive; Jagdeo owns that property.
Django posted:Chief posted:Keffer posted:Chief posted:How did President Jagdeo got the land where he built his Mansion?
He and Bobby need to be in Jail corrupt fellas.
Chief, he bought the land; he has legal title to it !
You sure Bhai?
Chief,wha you waan fuh seh,a check was written and the money returned.
Well...let him show the cancelled check.
Make a phone call to Joe ... he will appoint a ex army to investigate and give you the answer.
Imran posted:Django posted:Chief posted:Keffer posted:Chief posted:How did President Jagdeo got the land where he built his Mansion?
He and Bobby need to be in Jail corrupt fellas.
Chief, he bought the land; he has legal title to it !
You sure Bhai?
Chief,wha you waan fuh seh,a check was written and the money returned.
Well...let him show the cancelled check.
Make a phone call toJoe ... he will appoint a ex army to investigate and give you the answer.
He is tight with one my family Boss wan big contracta,when i was there my family gave me some scoop,i will stay quiet you on to something.. Jo and Ja are friends.
Hope that is not dem cyar or dem goose cook.........
Looks like Nigel Hughes has heeded Jagdeo's call for disgruntled AFCites to join the PPP.
Seriously, Guyana is infested with bogus politicians. When the AFC was in the opposition and Hughes was party Chairman, they lambasted the PPP over Pradoville2. Now that the Coalition government is hauling in pro-PPP Pradoville2 beneficiaries, AFC Hughes is defending Shalimar. Observers are observing closely.
This government will fail if they do not fix the economy and reduce corruption as promised. Those who forgot the past or don't know about the past gave them a mandate and if they don't fulfill that mandate their cork will not float for very long. Pressure mek people get sense. And when they get sense they do sensible things. The sensible thing to do is to send a tougher message to the ruling parties that we ain't going in for that type of thing with anybody anymore, so if you want another term you better deliver as promised or see the gate.
Gilbakka posted:Looks like Nigel Hughes has heeded Jagdeo's call for disgruntled AFCites to join the PPP.
Seriously, Guyana is infested with bogus politicians. When the AFC was in the opposition and Hughes was party Chairman, they lambasted the PPP over Pradoville2. Now that the Coalition government is hauling in pro-PPP Pradoville2 beneficiaries, AFC Hughes is defending Shalimar. Observers are observing closely.
Nigel is a lawyer, he will pimp himself out to the highest bidder. So would Naga and Ramjattan if not for 50% raises and cushy lifestyle with all the perks they have now in office. Remember who Cathy Hughes was a consultant for during ppp time?
Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Shalimar Ali-Hack and the former Chief-of-Staff of the Guyana Defence Force Gary Best were yesterday questioned by the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU) as part of the ongoing investigation into land sold in the Pradoville 2 housing scheme, which has already seen former President Bharrat Jagdeo arrested and grilled along with a host of former PPP/C government officials.
The questioning of the DPP is seen as posing a serious dilemma for her Chambers. Under Article 187 of the constitution, the DPP has the power to institute and undertake criminal proceedings against any person before any court and to take over and continue any such criminal proceedings. In the exercise of these powers, the Director shall not be subject to the direction or control of any other person or authority.
Any charges stemming from the SOCU probe would have to be articulated through her Chambers. Observers note that even if there was nothing adverse against Ali-Hack from the probe, the mere fact that she has been questioned in connection with it could cast a pall over the DPPâs handling of the results of the SOCU probe.
Ali-Hack and her husband, Moeen ul-Hack, were represented by attorneys Nigel Hughes and attorney Jamela Ali.
Hughes yesterday played down concerns about the questioning of the DPP and her husband. He said that neither of his clients was a suspect in the matter and that a call to have Ali-Hack step down from her substantive position to facilitate the investigation was not necessary. Ali-Hack, he said, was only called to SOCU as she is one of many allottees of land under government housing.
âI can say without fear and contradiction that neither of them is a suspect. The investigators made it very clear that the position is that they are assisting them in the fact-finding mission in relation to a lot they acquired at Pradoville. I have made it pellucid, that they are not suspects, that they are not the target of any investigation and that all they are doing at the present moment is gathering facts in relation to the acquisition of properties at Sparendaam.
âIn the light of that statement being made publicâĶI donât see the basis for you to ask someone to step down. She is not the target of any investigation and they have said she is not a suspect, she or her husband,â he added.
While he feels it is unlikely, he said that should Ali-Hack be a person of criminal interest in the matter, he doubts that the police or Ali-Hack would want her to remain in her post as DPP. âI certainly think that Mrs. (Ali-) Hack, were anything to be sent to her office where in relation to which she is a potential party, would not in any way participate in that process,â he said.
SOCU has not made any statement on any of the people it has questioned in connection with this probe. However, it has been clear for several months that all of the allottees including Jagdeo and former Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Dr Roger Luncheon who was also placed under arrest on Tuesday, are on the radar by virtue of having acquired land in the scheme at rates far below the market price.
Ali-Hack and her husband paid $1,488,744 for 0.2767 of an acre and currently reside in a house on the property.
âMarket valueâ
Meanwhile, former Guyana Defence Force (GDF) Chief-of-Staff Rear Admiral (rtd) Best does not believe that owners of land at âPradoville 2â should pay any more than the price they originally paid for their land since there was no way to determine market value for lands that government allocates.
âThe assets in the country belong to everyone. When you pay taxes, you become a beneficiary in âĶwhen the government sets a price, whether it is Parfait Harmonie, whether it is for young professionals etcetera âĶthere is no longer market forces,â Best said yesterday.
Best owns 0.3005 of an acre of land in the scheme. He had paid $1.5M for the land. It was registered in his name on September 2nd, 2012, at which point he headed the GDF. Best, who was appointed in July 2015 as a Presidential Adviser on the Environment, retired from the GDF in 2013.
Detailing the acquisition of the property at Pradoville 2, Best said, âThere was a process. The [Government of Guyana] offered lands at Sparendaam. There was paperwork, an invoice was generated, a title given and then I constructed.â He also noted that prior to the Pradoville 2 house lot, he had also acquired another property further up the East Coast of Demerara.
He said that he had owned that property for more than ten years, the period stated before which one could sell government lands allocated, and knowing that he was in his legal remit, he sold that property. All this information, he said, was told to SOCU investigators.
He explained to this newspaper that the reason for him selling his first property was because he had heard that lands were available at Sparendaam and that area was closer to the capital, where he worked. âAt the time I had a previous house lot but the 10 years had passed so I made it quite clear that my ten years had passed,â he said.
Best maintained that he was not given any preferential treatment in the acquisition of the land and that he became aware that the lands would be available âindirectly.â âI didnât know it would become the infamous Sparendaam,â he said.
Best reasoned that the logic behind the state potentially asking persons to pay additional amounts for the properties was contrary to government housing policy since, from a historical perspective, no beneficiary through this process ever pays market value for lands given. âSo wherever you are living, since in the 60s with South Ruimveldt and so on, my view, once the government enters the market and sets a price, that is the market value âĶIf you look, once government is involved in housing, this government or the other , it has always been subsidizedâĶit must be subsidized,â he stated.
Further, he posited âThe whole issue of market value has to be looked at. When I bought my land I had to build the land up. Next to where my house is there is a swamp. There is still a swamp there âĶand there is no seashore for me âĶI see mangroves I do not see the sea as people are saying. I prefer the mangroves. I know the market value thing is coming up and whether it will be revalued and so forth, I think, is a very delicate question and if it is done it is done. But generally it is one where there is a big issue.â
âA poor manâ
He told Stabroek News that if asked to pay market value for his land now, he could not afford such. âI am a poor man and if that is case and I canât afford that. I might have to sell my home to pay,â he lamented.
Bestâs attorney, Senior Counsel Bernard De Santos, was adamant that no one should pay. âThat was a free contract entered into. Why should he pay more? Because somebody decides it values more? Why should he pay more?â De Santos asked.
The SOCU probe is based on an investigation of the Sparendaam Housing Project, known as âPradoville 2,â which was part of a larger probe of the financial operations of the Central Housing and Planning Authority (CHPA) that was conducted by accounting firm Ram & McRae and which concluded that a criminal case for malfeasance could be made against the PPP/C Cabinet members who benefited.
The firm found that awardees grossly underpaid for the lots by a total of nearly $250 million, while the state-owned National Industrial and Commercial Investments Limited (NICIL), National Communications Network (NCN) and Guyana Power and Light Inc. (GPL) were never reimbursed for millions spent to execute preparatory works.
On Tuesday former President Jagdeo was arrested at the Leader of the Oppositionâs office on Church Street, Georgetown by SOCU head Sydney James and taken to SOCU headquarters for questioning.
Jagdeoâs arrest followed that of former Cabinet Secretary Dr Luncheon, who was served his arrest notice in front of the local media corps at a press conference the PPP had called to talk about the pending matter. Five other persons were also questioned on Tuesday. These were former Minister of Natural Resources Robert Persaud, Lisaveta Ramotar, who is the General Manager of the Guyana Gold Board and daughter of former president Donald Ramotar; Ramesh Dookhoo, former Chairman of the Private Sector Commission and Dr Ghansham Singh. They were also beneficiaries of house lots in the scheme. Marcia Nadir-Sharma, former Deputy Director of state holding company NICIL was also questioned. They were all released without charge.
On Wednesday, former prime minister Samuel Hinds and six other personsâformer Minister of Housing and Water Irfaan Ali, former Minister of Home Affairs and former Peopleâs Progressive Party General Secretary Clement Rohee, former Minister of Education Priya Manickchand, former Chief Executive Officer of the Guyana Water Authority Shaik Baksh, former Minister of Labour Nanda Gopaul and former Public Service Ministry head Dr Jennifer Westfordâwere questioned by SOCU.
Thursday saw only two persons being questioned, former Office of the President press officer Kwame McCoy and former head of the Officer for Climate Change Andrew Bishop.
Former Minister Persaud hinted that he would be ready to settle the price difference with the state, if it proves that the land was sold to him at an undervalued price but counsel for the PPP, Jagdeo and other former ministers, said that option has been âruled out.â
From day one, the former PPP ministersâ legal representative, Anil Nandlall, has maintained that his clients have broken no law, since subsidised housing has been a long part of Guyanaâs history. He has emphasized that his party comrades would not relent on this position and thus would not come to any settlement that disputed this theory.
âA poor manâ
He told Stabroek News that if asked to pay market value for his land now, he could not afford such. âI am a poor man and if that is case and I canât afford that. I might have to sell my home to pay,â he lamented.
Bestâs attorney, Senior Counsel Bernard De Santos, was adamant that no one should pay. âThat was a free contract entered into. Why should he pay more? Because somebody decides it values more? Why should he pay more?â De Santos asked.
Hmm poor man living among multi millionaires.
Django posted:âA poor manâ
He told Stabroek News that if asked to pay market value for his land now, he could not afford such. âI am a poor man and if that is case and I canât afford that. I might have to sell my home to pay,â he lamented.
Bestâs attorney, Senior Counsel Bernard De Santos, was adamant that no one should pay. âThat was a free contract entered into. Why should he pay more? Because somebody decides it values more? Why should he pay more?â De Santos asked.
Hmm poor man living among multi millionaires.
In relative terms, Gary Best is a poor man. He paid $1.5M for the P2 plot and sold his old house and took out a mortgage to build his P2 house and build up his yard. As GDF C-of-S he earned a fixed income. Many ordinary homes in the rural areas are worth more than Best's property.
Django posted:âA poor manâ
He told Stabroek News that if asked to pay market value for his land now, he could not afford such. âI am a poor man and if that is case and I canât afford that. I might have to sell my home to pay,â he lamented.
Bestâs attorney, Senior Counsel Bernard De Santos, was adamant that no one should pay. âThat was a free contract entered into. Why should he pay more? Because somebody decides it values more? Why should he pay more?â De Santos asked.
Hmm poor man living among multi millionaires.
Django, Best might not be a PNC man. Maybe this is the reason for trying to F**K with the man. There are honest people outside the PNC you know. Ever think the man might be an honest man? Ever think the man cares about his fellow human beings? Ever think the man is a good Christian?
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