POLITICS-GUYANA: General Elections Declared Null and Void 3 Years Later

From December 1997 to March 2001 equals 3 years & 3 months. In other words the 1997 PPP government didn't govern a full 5-year term. It was shortchanged. 

Justice Claudette Singh ruled on the legality of an entire election instead of a disputed section. That was never done before, unprecedented, according to the Attorney General Doodnauth Singh. So Claudette Singh erred.

PNC caused PPP government terms to be cut short in 1964, 2001 and 2015. Dem wrang & strang. Dem PNC ruled beyond the 5-year limit to 7 years from 1985 to 1992. Dem power hungry.

In all, the court found that about, 30,000 persons, just under one- tenth of the total eligible voters, were denied the chance to exercise their franchise

I bet most of these were coolies.

They were rewarded with bullyism in the 60s and 1997.  They know that it works because the PPP, and coolies, come across as weak, so they tried again in the 2000’s.  But they ran into BJ who punched back rather than fold.  He gave them exactly what they should have got since the 60’s.  Anyone drawing a moral equivalency between PNC terrorism and the extraordinary measures taken to end it, is treacherous.  

Baseman posted:

They were rewarded with bullyism in the 60s and 1997.  They know that it works because the PPP, and coolies, come across as weak, so they tried again in the 2000’s.  But they ran into BJ who punched back rather than fold.  He gave them exactly what they should have got since the 60’s.  Anyone drawing a moral equivalency between PNC terrorism and the extraordinary measures taken to end it, is treacherous.  

This is a good point by you and Gilbakka. And one that I think has not received much attention and analysis...namely the fact that the PPP governments were cut short and not allowed to complete its full term. 

Gilly: "PNC caused PPP government terms to be cut short in 1964, 2001 and 2015. Dem wrang & strang. Dem PNC ruled beyond the 5-year limit to 7 years from 1985 to 1992."

These elections when the terms were cut short were marred by violence and street protests.

It goes to show that the PPP has a difficult time dealing with the street violence and their leaders catapulted under force....the PNC will never do do. 

However, the bigger picture here is the fact that despite these problems of governing, the PPP still has not come up with a credible plan to deal with such a situation, like moving the seat of government, creating multi-racial institutions, etc.

 The reality is even if the PPP win in 2020, this historical pattern means that the PPP will have a difficult time governing the state. 

Vish, when you point to hard FACTS the Racists and Filth Heads either run away or come up with Bullshit!!!!!!!!  Bloody PIGS!!!

VishMahabir posted:

Baseman posted:

They were rewarded with bullyism in the 60s and 1997.  They know that it works because the PPP, and coolies, come across as weak, so they tried again in the 2000’s.  But they ran into BJ who punched back rather than fold.  He gave them exactly what they should have got since the 60’s.  Anyone drawing a moral equivalency between PNC terrorism and the extraordinary measures taken to end it, is treacherous.  

This is a good point by you and Gilbakka. And one that I think has not received much attention and analysis...namely the fact that the PPP governments were cut short and not allowed to complete its full term. 

Gilly: "PNC caused PPP government terms to be cut short in 1964, 2001 and 2015. Dem wrang & strang. Dem PNC ruled beyond the 5-year limit to 7 years from 1985 to 1992."

These elections when the terms were cut short were marred by violence and street protests.

It goes to show that the PPP has a difficult time dealing with the street violence and their leaders catapulted under force....the PNC will never do do. 

However, the bigger picture here is the fact that despite these problems of governing, the PPP still has not come up with a credible plan to deal with such a situation, like moving the seat of government, creating multi-racial institutions, etc.

 The reality is even if the PPP win in 2020, this historical pattern means that the PPP will have a difficult time governing the state. 

For Guyanese mole who knew very little about Guyana, you know a lot about Guyanese politics and history. Can you declare you other handles?

Nehru posted:

Vish, when you point to hard FACTS the Racists and Filth Heads either run away or come up with Bullshit!!!!!!!!  Bloody PIGS!!!

What an excellent contribution to the thread.

skeldon_man posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Baseman posted:

They were rewarded with bullyism in the 60s and 1997.  They know that it works because the PPP, and coolies, come across as weak, so they tried again in the 2000’s.  But they ran into BJ who punched back rather than fold.  He gave them exactly what they should have got since the 60’s.  Anyone drawing a moral equivalency between PNC terrorism and the extraordinary measures taken to end it, is treacherous.  

This is a good point by you and Gilbakka. And one that I think has not received much attention and analysis...namely the fact that the PPP governments were cut short and not allowed to complete its full term. 

Gilly: "PNC caused PPP government terms to be cut short in 1964, 2001 and 2015. Dem wrang & strang. Dem PNC ruled beyond the 5-year limit to 7 years from 1985 to 1992."

These elections when the terms were cut short were marred by violence and street protests.

It goes to show that the PPP has a difficult time dealing with the street violence and their leaders catapulted under force....the PNC will never do do. 

However, the bigger picture here is the fact that despite these problems of governing, the PPP still has not come up with a credible plan to deal with such a situation, like moving the seat of government, creating multi-racial institutions, etc.

 The reality is even if the PPP win in 2020, this historical pattern means that the PPP will have a difficult time governing the state. 

For Guyanese mole who knew very little about Guyana, you know a lot about Guyanese politics and history. Can you declare you other handles?

He is doing a paper in school and utilizing GNI's talent to assist. He is playing dead to see his own funeral. He only acting stupidee.

kp posted:

skeldon_man posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Baseman posted:

They were rewarded with bullyism in the 60s and 1997.  They know that it works because the PPP, and coolies, come across as weak, so they tried again in the 2000’s.  But they ran into BJ who punched back rather than fold.  He gave them exactly what they should have got since the 60’s.  Anyone drawing a moral equivalency between PNC terrorism and the extraordinary measures taken to end it, is treacherous.  

This is a good point by you and Gilbakka. And one that I think has not received much attention and analysis...namely the fact that the PPP governments were cut short and not allowed to complete its full term. 

Gilly: "PNC caused PPP government terms to be cut short in 1964, 2001 and 2015. Dem wrang & strang. Dem PNC ruled beyond the 5-year limit to 7 years from 1985 to 1992."

These elections when the terms were cut short were marred by violence and street protests.

It goes to show that the PPP has a difficult time dealing with the street violence and their leaders catapulted under force....the PNC will never do do. 

However, the bigger picture here is the fact that despite these problems of governing, the PPP still has not come up with a credible plan to deal with such a situation, like moving the seat of government, creating multi-racial institutions, etc.

 The reality is even if the PPP win in 2020, this historical pattern means that the PPP will have a difficult time governing the state. 

For Guyanese mole who knew very little about Guyana, you know a lot about Guyanese politics and history. Can you declare you other handles?

He is doing a paper in school and utilizing GNI's talent to assist. He is playing dead to see his own funeral. He only acting stupidee.

If he is trying to do that, then he is brain dead.

I have read the post,apparently there is no answer, if the irregularities of 1997 election are considered rigging.

Why the rules were changed to identify voters,breaching several statutes in the Constitution, the supreme law of the land ?

VishMahabir posted:

Baseman posted:

They were rewarded with bullyism in the 60s and 1997.  They know that it works because the PPP, and coolies, come across as weak, so they tried again in the 2000’s.  But they ran into BJ who punched back rather than fold.  He gave them exactly what they should have got since the 60’s.  Anyone drawing a moral equivalency between PNC terrorism and the extraordinary measures taken to end it, is treacherous.  

This is a good point by you and Gilbakka. And one that I think has not received much attention and analysis...namely the fact that the PPP governments were cut short and not allowed to complete its full term. 

Gilly: "PNC caused PPP government terms to be cut short in 1964, 2001 and 2015. Dem wrang & strang. Dem PNC ruled beyond the 5-year limit to 7 years from 1985 to 1992."

These elections when the terms were cut short were marred by violence and street protests.

It goes to show that the PPP has a difficult time dealing with the street violence and their leaders catapulted under force....the PNC will never do do. 

However, the bigger picture here is the fact that despite these problems of governing, the PPP still has not come up with a credible plan to deal with such a situation, like moving the seat of government, creating multi-racial institutions, etc.

 The reality is even if the PPP win in 2020, this historical pattern means that the PPP will have a difficult time governing the state. 

You fight fire with fire. People respect force.  Indians are not the type to go looting and burning down property and raping women as a political weapon.  However, there are ways to deal with it and get the outcome and reset the paradigm. 

We can always punt saying two wrongs don’t make it right, but we can also pick up the ball and fight fire with fire.  That’s a leadership decision.  

Take a leaf from America’s play book.  Greatest democracy, strong rule of law.  When faced with an extraordinary threat, they did things like Extraordinary Rendition and also “accidentally” suffocated over 1,000 taliban/al qaeda fighters in the deserts of Afghanistan.  

If you don’t, you are doomed to be dominated, oppressed and exploited.

If jagan had done what was needed in the 60s, then people like you would not be posting that Indians are timid and blacks confident. 

From reading, I can see jagan surrounded himself with p.u5syfooters and weaklings more interested in their loser ideology than taking in the real challenge.  Sheer antimanism!

I don’t give one flying fk who calls me a racist!  They can suck me!

Django posted:

I have read the post,apparently there is no answer, if the irregularities of 1997 election are considered rigging.

Why the rules were changed to identify voters,breaching several statutes in the Constitution, the supreme law of the land ?

 Here is an overview. 

Gilbakka posted:

PNC caused PPP government terms to be cut short in 1964, 2001 and 2015. Dem wrang & strang.

??

please explain exactly how "PNC" was "wrang & strang" in cutting short PPP rule at the years cited . . . especially 1964 and 2015

thanks  

Gilly, dont even try to Heducate an IDIOT!!

Nehru posted:

Gilly, dont even try to Heducate an IDIOT!!

BJ and RG was wrong to punch back at the Buxton terrorists!  Doing so make them the equivalent.  So Ronan is correct!  There was nothing ever wrang, just the PNC is strang!

D2 posted:

Django posted:

I have read the post,apparently there is no answer, if the irregularities of 1997 election are considered rigging.

Why the rules were changed to identify voters,breaching several statutes in the Constitution, the supreme law of the land ?

 Here is an overview. 

Registration of citizens and electors

Guyana has a civil registry, called the National Register, under provisions of the National Registration Act, which collects birth and death information and issues civilian identification cards.Registration in the National Registry is mandatory for all persons over the age of 14 at the time the census is taken. Under Guyanese law, the responsibility for civil registration rests with the Commissioner of Registration.

However, in 1997 the Elections Commission decided on a separate collection of data on all persons over 14 with the intention of using that information exclusively for producing a voter identification card. The registration of electors falls under the general direction and supervision of the Elections Commission. The Commissioner of Registration is not a member of the Elections Commission.

Voter identification cards

According to the Elections Commission, an identification card for voting purposes only was required in 1997 for the first time. They were intended to overcome problems that had developed in previous elections, when a variety of documents--such as, for example, national identity cards passports, and other records--were allowed as adequate identification.

To assure that voter identification was both recent and uniform, the Commission decided to use a distinctive card containing updated information.

Its strong advocacy resulted in an amendment to the electoral code requiring the presentation of a card as the only way individuals could be identified to vote; in essence, “no voter identification card, no vote.”

The 1997 elections to the electoral code requiring the presentation of a card as the only way individuals could be identified to vote; in essence, “no voter identification card, no vote.”

Further delay occurred while the Commission decided what company to choose to manufacture fraud-proof cards. Ultimately, the cards were prepared electronically and showed the information on each elector on the final voters’ list.Initially, the cards were distributed from the district registration centers. However, when thousands of them failed to be picked up, the Commission arranged for distribution house-to-house.The distribution deadlines were continually extended so that there would be every opportunity for citizens to obtain their cards.

Preliminary voter list

The National Registration Center began the re-registration of voters at the end of December 1996 and finished at the end of May 1997. By the end of June 1997, the Preliminary Voters List,containing 461,415 registered voters whose photographs had been taken, was produced.In its report dated December 13, 1997, the Elections Commission noted that owing to the lapse of time between the closure of registration at the end of May and the start of the production of the cards in September, some information collected during the registration period had become obsolete: some addresses had changed, some people had moved out of Guyana, and a number of people had died.

According to the report, there were 461,369 electors and a total of 423,209 electors’ identification cards, representing 91.73 percent of the total registered, had been issued.

Source: OAS Observation Report 1997 Elections

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This is cheating plain and simple "no if or buts"

The PPP crooked like the PNC,two peas of the same pod.

skeldon_man posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Baseman posted:

They were rewarded with bullyism in the 60s and 1997.  They know that it works because the PPP, and coolies, come across as weak, so they tried again in the 2000’s.  But they ran into BJ who punched back rather than fold.  He gave them exactly what they should have got since the 60’s.  Anyone drawing a moral equivalency between PNC terrorism and the extraordinary measures taken to end it, is treacherous.  

This is a good point by you and Gilbakka. And one that I think has not received much attention and analysis...namely the fact that the PPP governments were cut short and not allowed to complete its full term. 

Gilly: "PNC caused PPP government terms to be cut short in 1964, 2001 and 2015. Dem wrang & strang. Dem PNC ruled beyond the 5-year limit to 7 years from 1985 to 1992."

These elections when the terms were cut short were marred by violence and street protests.

It goes to show that the PPP has a difficult time dealing with the street violence and their leaders catapulted under force....the PNC will never do do. 

However, the bigger picture here is the fact that despite these problems of governing, the PPP still has not come up with a credible plan to deal with such a situation, like moving the seat of government, creating multi-racial institutions, etc.

 The reality is even if the PPP win in 2020, this historical pattern means that the PPP will have a difficult time governing the state. 

For Guyanese mole who knew very little about Guyana, you know a lot about Guyanese politics and history. Can you declare you other handles?

Whats us Skeleton Brain?

There is something call "Google". 

Dont let it scare you....say something meaningful next time, OK?

Baseman posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Baseman posted:

They were rewarded with bullyism in the 60s and 1997.  They know that it works because the PPP, and coolies, come across as weak, so they tried again in the 2000’s.  But they ran into BJ who punched back rather than fold.  He gave them exactly what they should have got since the 60’s.  Anyone drawing a moral equivalency between PNC terrorism and the extraordinary measures taken to end it, is treacherous.  

This is a good point by you and Gilbakka. And one that I think has not received much attention and analysis...namely the fact that the PPP governments were cut short and not allowed to complete its full term. 

Gilly: "PNC caused PPP government terms to be cut short in 1964, 2001 and 2015. Dem wrang & strang. Dem PNC ruled beyond the 5-year limit to 7 years from 1985 to 1992."

These elections when the terms were cut short were marred by violence and street protests.

It goes to show that the PPP has a difficult time dealing with the street violence and their leaders catapulted under force....the PNC will never do do. 

However, the bigger picture here is the fact that despite these problems of governing, the PPP still has not come up with a credible plan to deal with such a situation, like moving the seat of government, creating multi-racial institutions, etc.

 The reality is even if the PPP win in 2020, this historical pattern means that the PPP will have a difficult time governing the state. 

You fight fire with fire. People respect force.  Indians are not the type to go looting and burning down property and raping women as a political weapon.  However, there are ways to deal with it and get the outcome and reset the paradigm. 

We can always punt saying two wrongs don’t make it right, but we can also pick up the ball and fight fire with fire.  That’s a leadership decision.  

Take a leaf from America’s play book.  Greatest democracy, strong rule of law.  When faced with an extraordinary threat, they did things like Extraordinary Rendition and also “accidentally” suffocated over 1,000 taliban/al qaeda fighters in the deserts of Afghanistan.  

If you don’t, you are doomed to be dominated, oppressed and exploited.

If jagan had done what was needed in the 60s, then people like you would not be posting that Indians are timid and blacks confident. 

From reading, I can see jagan surrounded himself with p.u5syfooters and weaklings more interested in their loser ideology than taking in the real challenge.  Sheer antimanism!

I don’t give one flying fk who calls me a racist!  They can suck me!

Banna, your post is confusing. 

You fight fire with fire.

How do you do this? Which Indo leader has led in this manner and "fight fire with fire"? And which one of the current PPP leader is willing to lead in this manner? Look at thus video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkhTdJ8KCcc

Indos are good and aggressive when it comes to their own, but which of these people are willing to march in Guyana and fight fire with fire? I remember seeing another video of protesting sugar workers in front of Parliament where a women walked and tore up their plackards. If Indos carried themselves with confidence, this would not happen. You should blame your leaders for this.

If jagan had done what was needed in the 60s, then people like you would not be posting that Indians are timid and blacks confident. 

Jagan was a communist. His greatest failure lies in the fact that he was impotent in removing a dictatorship for 28 years...a new generation grew up under this time period...following a leader known for his inability to remove a dictatorship. If there was no Jimmy Carter or US, Jagan would have never been in office in the early 1990s. 

The other mistake he made was his willingness to pardon all dem PNC people who run the country down for 28 years. 

Your leaders set the tone, and they act as role models for others. 

Yes, Jagdeo is perceived as a strong leader who went after the people who terrorized people, but he has done some pretty nefarious things that raise the ire of people, like allowing Roger Khan to run an underground economy.  

Baseman posted:

Nehru posted:

Gilly, dont even try to Heducate an IDIOT!!

BJ and RG was wrong to punch back at the Buxton terrorists!  Doing so make them the equivalent.  So Ronan is correct!  There was nothing ever wrang, just the PNC is strang!

For the record,

There is no moral equivalent here. Government has a right to protect its citizens at all costs from terrorists and terrorist activities. 

For me, these acts of Jagdeo is tainted by the fact that a high profile drug dealer was coopted to assist in this national problem. 

@Django

Re: OAS Observation Report 1997.

I've read what you posted above. Thanks. Of course, you know that, like now, the Elections Commission in 1997 comprised a Chairman, 3 PPP & 3 PNC members. So within GECOM, the PNC was a party to decisions on voter ID in the 1997 election. It was an expedient action in light of thousands failing to uplift their registration cards.

 Therefore both PPP & PNC should have been blamed for allegedly violating the Constitution. Unfair to blame PPP only.

VishMahabir posted:

Baseman posted:

Nehru posted:

Gilly, dont even try to Heducate an IDIOT!!

BJ and RG was wrong to punch back at the Buxton terrorists!  Doing so make them the equivalent.  So Ronan is correct!  There was nothing ever wrang, just the PNC is strang!

For the record,

There is no moral equivalent here. Government has a right to protect its citizens at all costs from terrorists and terrorist activities. 

For me, these acts of Jagdeo is tainted by the fact that a high profile drug dealer was coopted to assist in this national problem. 

For the record, this was a PNC inspired insurrection piggybacking on a drug turf battle!

For the record, the security forces, charged with protecting the people, were an integral part of this effort as a way to get another PPP capitulation!

For the record, the PNC terrorists issued statements like 2 for 1, boldly stating for every terrorist cadre killed, they are killing two "Indians" as surrogates for getting to the PPP!

For the record, it was racist and could have descended into a Rwanda-style genocide!

For the record, members of the armed forces found cooperating with the Govt were gunned down in cold blood!

For the record, I have relatives who live there, one gunned down with several friends in a terror raid in Kitty!

For the record, Baseman supports by "whatever means necessary" to protect the people.  If the only readily available force was from another organized gang, then so be it!

For the record, the USA used Al Qaeda to fight their enemies and then destroyed it when they got out of hand!

For the record, Baseman will never second-guess the actions and motivations of the GoG at that moment in time.  Circle the wagons, shoot first and ask questions later.....no excuses, no apologies!

For the record, Baseman can care less what anyone thinks, enemies or traitors!!

Baseman posted:

So Ronan is correct!

banna, i know you still smarting because i lift up your dress and expose yuh disease

however, that is no excuse for collating weird stuff bouncing about in your head, curating same in your BIG LIE folder and attributing them to me just so you can PRETEND at 'rebuttal' sarcasm

psycho shyte

Gilbakka posted:

@Django

Re: OAS Observation Report 1997.

I've read what you posted above. Thanks. Of course, you know that, like now, the Elections Commission in 1997 comprised a Chairman, 3 PPP & 3 PNC members. So within GECOM, the PNC was a party to decisions on voter ID in the 1997 election. It was an expedient action in light of thousands failing to uplift their registration cards.

 Therefore both PPP & PNC should have been blamed for allegedly violating the Constitution. Unfair to blame PPP only.

"According to the report, there were 461,369 electors and a total of 423,209 electors’ identification cards, representing 91.73 percent of the total registered, had been issued. Source: OAS Observation Report 1997 Elections"

Population Census:Source 2002 Census.

The entire Elections Commission should be blamed for disenfranchising 38,160 voters in the 1997 elections,this is considered to be electoral fraud.Taking a look at the Population Census of 2002,the political party to benefit from the electoral fraud was the PPP/C.

In conclusion after Free and Fair Elections was restored in 1992,Electoral Fraud was prevalent in subsequent  elections,although declared Free and Fair by the observing bodies.

Indians need to start mekking more babies!

Baseman posted:

Indians need to start mekking more babies!

Brother Prash can start getting busy.