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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Django:

"Because as I am sick and tired of telling you, Indians account for more than 40% of the voting age population."

 

Carib,lets work some numbers here

 

Current estimates  2015

 

Guyana population(est)                  750,0000

Indos 40%                 300,000

 

Indos voting age population           ________

 

2015 registered voters(est)       =     500,000

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2011 election result

2011 registered voters =475,496

PPP votes received  =166,340

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Can you fill in the Indo voting populalation.

 

Sorry i am late have to look TK stat.

Mixed population in 1991 86k.  Rumored mixed population in 2012 147k.  70% increase.

 

Can you suggest how this population increased if the mixed account for the same % of the voting age population as they do of the population overall?

 

It appears to me as if most of this will be based on more births of mixed kids since 1991.  Some one born in 1992 is 23.  No one born after 1997 can vote.  So we can deduce that most of these people are either too young to vote, or are still in that age cohort which is less likely to vote.

 

Opinions of the importance of the Indian vote depend on the assumptions that people have of the mixed VOTING AGE population.

Assuming i used 80% (which may be too high) that is

240,000 indo voters.

Django
Last edited by Django
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Redux probably is a young fella. East Indians doan wake up each morning and say today I am going to pledge another day to hating black people. They are not educated that way either. The MISTRUST is equally shared by both blacks and Indians. And that might be in the majority. 

 

Hopefully, the new government will make it a priority to start a sly campaign into dispensing historical facts to the general public. Citizens do not know or understand the country's history.

Shaitaan and I had a lengthy debate on this issue.

 

FACT.  There is no proof that Indians or Africans are more racist.  Racism abounds in both communities as do ignorant stereotypes and condoning of cruel behavior to the other side.

 

FACT.  Because of the socialization into the Americas Africans have very different notions of their ancestral lands, their ethnicity and their nationality than do Indians. 

 

Africans no longer have any real interest in Africa (except for a few intellectuals).  They will dress up "African" on Freedom Day and the next day they will see it as irrelevant to their lives.

 

Africans don't have a fixed ethnic identity.  We don't even know what to call ourselves.  African (only intellectuals generally do), black (not rooted in any specific ancestry, just describing dark skin), negro (a euphemism by people who don't know that the word actually means "black".  Or Afro Guyanese, again a term used mainly by intellectuals.

 

We cannot say who is mixed and who is black as the boundaries are fuzzy and so it left to self identification.

 

Most Afro Guyanese seen themselves as Guyanese of African descent.  Their ethnicity defines what type of Guyanese they are.  It doesn't connote what their cultural affiliations are.  Most see themselves as a "Caribbean" people, not an "African" people.

 

 

Indians have a whole different attitude to ethnicity with very sharp boundaries.  Every one knows what an Indian is.  If one shows visible non Indian ancestry (especially if it is African) one isn't Indian......no debate.  Indians also have a very clear cut notion of what their culture is.  In their minds rooted in India, and not all consider that modifications to allow fit within a Caribbean context is a good thing.

 

This whole debate shows that many Indians (not all) view their ethnicity as primary and their nationality as defining their ethnicity with regards to other Indo descended populations.   It isn't apparent that most Guyanese Indians see themselves as a "Caribbean" people.

 

So distrust arises.

 

Indians think that non Indians are forcing a "creole" culture down their throats.

 

Africans suspect that Indians cannot be fair to non Indians (especially blacks) as these non Indians are outsiders.

 

To pretend as if these attitudes don't provide a base for the ethnic divide is stupid.  It isn't what the politicians tell them, because few Guyanese have respect for those creatures.  They use them as an ethnic safety blanket.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 
Originally Posted by seignet:

East Indians doan view themselves as being part of the Guyanese society. They feel they are intransit. Waiting for that Visa or opportunity to usher them out of Guyana. 

 

If u hear one East Indian vent those comment, that is one too many. 

 

East Indians on the Corentyne are a very different people. When Freedie Kisson taks about East Indians he neglect to consider in which community they were culturally developed.

So expand upon your comments, because they conform very much to the fears that Africans in particular have of mono racial Indian rule.

It is a natural racial fear-shared by both racial groups. Dominance is the excuse and tolerance for corruption. That is why Moses cannot get East Indians in large number on the Corentyne to have a clear picture of Jagdeo. Also, many Blacks will never dump the PNC. Just as Indians they BELONG.

S
Originally Posted by Django:
 

Assuming i used 80% (which may be too high) that is

240,000 indo voters.

If 60% is voting age and 45% of these are Indians then that is the number.  The population is probably 740k by now.

 

The advantage that the PPP has is that it doesn't have to attract many cross ethnic votes as does APNU.  I don't know that the AFC has a fixed base.  Its emphasis on Berbice in 2011 cost them some of the black votes that they got in 2006.  But then will those Berbice votes remain, now that it is embedded with the PNC. 

 

We shall hopefully know by Tuesday.  While I can see why the vote count will be slow, especially in regions 7 and 8, I fail to see why the coastal vote takes so long to count, as it did last time.  With polls closing at 6 PM, by 10 PM we should know what is happening.  This is almost 90% of the votes.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

It is a natural racial fear-shared by both racial groups. Dominance is the excuse and tolerance for corruption. That is why Moses cannot get East Indians in large number on the Corentyne to have a clear picture of Jagdeo. Also, many Blacks will never dump the PNC. Just as Indians they BELONG.

Ethnic fear is why our political system is so dysfunctional.  Those who think that this can be fixed with out an adjustment to this paranoia are deluded.

 

If APNU AFC wins I suggest that they figure that part out quickly, otherwise it will become an issue WITHIN the coalition.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Django:
 

Assuming i used 80% (which may be too high) that is

240,000 indo voters.

If 60% is voting age and 45% of these are Indians then that is the number.  The population is probably 740k by now.

 

The advantage that the PPP has is that it doesn't have to attract many cross ethnic votes as does APNU.  I don't know that the AFC has a fixed base.  Its emphasis on Berbice in 2011 cost them some of the black votes that they got in 2006.  But then will those Berbice votes remain, now that it is embedded with the PNC. 

 

We shall hopefully know by Tuesday.  While I can see why the vote count will be slow, especially in regions 7 and 8, I fail to see why the coastal vote takes so long to count, as it did last time.  With polls closing at 6 PM, by 10 PM we should know what is happening.  This is almost 90% of the votes.

That equal close to 200,000

 

This is a close finish i have my bets on the coalition to

be the winner,thank's for the input i wanted to clear

some grey areas.

 

 

Django
Originally Posted by Django:
 

That equal close to 200,000

 

This is a close finish i have my bets on the coalition to

be the winner,thank's for the input i wanted to clear

some grey areas.

 

 

There will be more black and mixed votes.....APNU AFC benefits.

 

Apparently younger voters are more engaged than they have ever been...APNU AFC benefits as young people vote on hope, not fear.

 

Ethnic angst still exists so many Indians, who didn't plan to vote might well vote.  The distortion of the "I am not an Indian" does create panic.....PPP benefits.

 

The PPP can buy votes as they are a well financed incumbent party and they dominate the media....PPP benefits.

 

Hopefully the active involvement of the Carter Center reduces planned rigging, and deters those APNU AFC poll stations officials who the PPP was trying to bribe, from actually selling out themselves.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Django:
 

That equal close to 200,000

 

This is a close finish i have my bets on the coalition to

be the winner,thank's for the input i wanted to clear

some grey areas.

 

 

There will be more black and mixed votes.....APNU AFC benefits.

 

Apparently younger voters are more engaged than they have ever been...APNU AFC benefits as young people vote on hope, not fear.

 

Ethnic angst still exists so many Indians, who didn't plan to vote might well vote.  The distortion of the "I am not an Indian" does create panic.....PPP benefits.

 

The PPP can buy votes as they are a well financed incumbent party and they dominate the media....PPP benefits.

 

Hopefully the active involvement of the Carter Center reduces planned rigging, and deters those APNU AFC poll stations officials who the PPP was trying to bribe, from actually selling out themselves.

Agreed,this is the sector that  will help the coalition to win.

 

Django
Last edited by Django
Originally Posted by Wally:

Ricky Singh was married to a Guyanese girl. They met at an Assemblies of God Church  They had a very successful 50 year marriage. How many fellows on this board has been tied to a woman for 50 years.

Iman much prefer bein tied up for one year to 50 women

cain
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