Jango this is you party smokescreen to stop the recount.

@Abu Jihad posted:

Jango this is you party smokescreen to stop the recount.

Recount going to the finish line.

Former Business Minister calls for individuals within GECOM to be investigated; says it cannot hold credible elections until major concerns are addressed

March 20 2020

Source

Former Minister of Business Dominic Gaskin has made a call for a full investigation to ascertain whether there was any wrong-doing on the part of individuals within the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) as it relates to the integrity of statements of poll or the tabulation of results.

According to the former minister, there are several issues arising out of the events unfolded over the past two weeks. He sought to address them via a Facebook post last evening. First and foremost, he directed his attention to the loss of confidence in GECOM, a critical national institution.

Speaking to this issue, Gaskin said, “Regardless of who is wrong or right or good or bad, GECOM cannot purport to hold credible elections in the future unless it can satisfactorily address the major concerns that have been raised about its declared results and the post-election processes leading to those declarations.”

Another concern raised by him was the inability of APNU and/or the AFC to win another election in the near future whether through public perception or bias.

He added, “This is a very likely consequence of what has taken place and doesn’t bode well for our future. I personally find the prospect of the PPP/C winning elections and remaining in power for another decades-long stretch quite frightening.”

The former government minister also said that the post elections happenings has caused societal damage from exacerbated ethnic tensions. He reasoned from all that has been said, implied and displayed since March 2, has severely damaged the fragile but admirable co-existence of our two major ethnic groups.

“In my view, race voting is not necessarily racism. Neither is the passionate advocacy for better conditions for a particular ethnicity. However, a lot of our recent behaviour has crossed the line and is clearly racist and harmful to social cohesion.”

It has been 19 days after polls were closed and still GECOM has not made a final declaration. As a matter of fact, GECOM is presently embroiled in several battles before the High Court over a controversial declaration made by Region Four’s Returning Officer Clairmont Mingo.

But it is not only that. APNU+AFC Candidate Ulita Moore has secured an ex parte interim injunction blocking GECOM, incumbent President David Granger and Leader of the Opposition from entering into an agreement for a independent high level team from the Caribbean Community (CARICOM) for supervising an overall recount of ballots cast in the 10 regions.

The Opposition has filed proceedings with the hope of having the injunction discharged.

The problem erupted after Mingo made a declaration for Region 4 which has close to 285,000 voters. The declaration made on March 5 placed the APNU+AFC coalition ahead of the PPP/C opposition by some 59,000 votes in District 4 and by approximately 7,000 votes overall in the General Election.

There was immediate and widespread rejection of this declaration, based primarily on procedural grounds and a lack of transparency, Gaskin reminded.

Gaskin admitted that he has taken a personal position on Mingo’s declaration. In fact, he does not buy his numbers.

“Who vex, vex! I am not attempting to convince anyone that my position is the right one. I’ve gone beyond that. I am also not condemning anyone for whatever position they may wish to take. Life is too short,” Gaskin made clear.

Among other things, he said, “We need a new model of governance which works for us and which doesn’t incite this level of divisiveness every five years. This is not something that can be left to any incumbent to address. It will never happen.”

He continued, “There must be a binding commitment from all parties as part of a packaged resolution of the current situation. Finding a permanent solution is not rocket science. Those who are not up to the task should step out of the way and allow better minds to figure it out – lots of bright young people in Guyana.”

“The real big men and women have to start talking to each other, or stop pretending to be leaders. Various other stakeholders need to set side aside their emotions and adopt a more conciliatory posture which puts the nation first.”

Unless we can bring ourselves to understand that there are good people on both sides of the 2020 elections controversy who genuinely believe the narrative coming out of their camps, Gaskin pointed out that we risk detonating the fuse that has been burning slowly for over six decades.

He added that all voters deserve to know the true result of the process in which they innocently and dutifully participated. In the eyes of Gaskin, General and Regional Elections 2020 has been nothing short of a national embarrassment.

“Elections 2020 has been a national embarrassment. If we cannot manage a simple election, how the heck do we plan to manage an oil economy? We seem to be doing everything possible to make up for the absence of natural disasters in this dear land of ours,” the former Business Minister concluded.

How can we trust anybody to create a voters list?  GECOM should tell the Politicians to butt out.   There should be no interference about any aspect of the election.  If there is an indescrepancy then it should wait until the count is completed before making any demands to the high counrts.  

It is the Politicians who are the real cause of this mess.

We now know Granger motive for the Patterson appointment.    It was to initiate  the rigging process.  The CCJ and Jagdeo up ended that attempt.

Jango, this topic has been debunked.  Why keep it open?  Act like you are impartial.

@Abu Jihad posted:

Jango, this topic has been debunked.  Why keep it open?  Act like you are impartial.

What should be done with thread ?

Fake news, do as you normally do with fake news.

@Abu Jihad posted:

Fake news, do as you normally do with fake news.

Where is the other news source,to contradict that GECOM isn't open to Electoral Fraud as stated by one of the commissioners Vincent Alexander. If you can provide such ,the thread will be removed.

The article is from one of the national paper.

@Abu Jihad posted:

Fake news, do as you normally do with fake news.

Bhai, you prappa like fuh krank up Django eh! 

You title says GECOM opens probe, all opposition parties said that’s they are not aware if any probe.  Commissioner Gunraj, Irfan Ali and all smaller parties confirmed that no such task was taken up by the commission.  It all over the news including videos.

Dave can post the full rundown from the various news sources if you are incapable of verifying your posts. 

@Abu Jihad posted:

You title says GECOM opens probe, all opposition parties said that’s they are not aware if any probe.  Commissioner Gunraj, Irfan Ali and all smaller parties confirmed that no such task was taken up by the commission.  It all over the news including videos.

Dave can post the full rundown from the various news sources if you are incapable of verifying your posts.  
 

GECOM opens probe into alleged electoral fraud

GECOM opens probe into alleged electoral fraud By Svetlana Marshall - May 29, 2020

@Abu Jihad posted:

You title says GECOM opens probe, all opposition parties said that’s they are not aware if any probe.  Commissioner Gunraj, Irfan Ali and all smaller parties confirmed that no such task was taken up by the commission.  It all over the news including videos.

Dave can post the full rundown from the various news sources if you are incapable of verifying your posts.  

This is what i called r@ss pass.  Click on the source of the article, the color is blue.

Alexander working to undermine GECOM - PPP

Vincent Alexander is quoted by the Guyana Chronicle today as saying that GECOM has opened up a probe into ‘allegations of fraud’ leveled by officials of the APNU+AFC during the ongoing recount.

It is worthy to note that none of the three opposition nominated Commissioners are aware of such a decision taken at the level of the Commission nor was there any such public announcement by the Commission itself. It appears that Alexander, a central figure in the APNU+AFC plot to rig the elections, has abrogated unto himself the role of GECOM spokesperson. He seems to be working with Roxanne Myers and others of the Secretariat to undermine the Commission and to give credence to APNU+AFC’s false allegations.

The CEO, Mr Lowenfield needs to urgently say whether he or the Chair has given directions to embark on an exercise outside of their remit.

Alexander is notably silent on the fraud perpetrated by Clairmont Mingo and apparently has no desire to have this investigated as it should be.

The APNU+AFC is once again in desperation mode as the amended recount order has given a finite date for the declaration; a move they had fiercely resisted. The declaration says:

‘The Commission shall, …………..no later than three(3) days after receiving the report, make the declaration of the results of the final credible count of the elections held on the 2nd day of March 2020’

A final credible count can only mean the recount since Mingo’s count was fraudulent.

Source: PPPC website. 

Source -- https://www.inewsguyana.com/al...undermine-gecom-ppp/

PPP GECOM Commissioners unaware of letter to Chief Immigration Officer

Opposition nominated Commissioner of the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) Sase Gunraj on Friday questioned the source of a letter written to the Chief Immigration Officer following allegations that citizens who were not in Guyana for the March 02, 2020 elections were marked off as having voted.

Gunraj and his colleague Commissioners from the opposition People’s Progressive Party claim that any such letter did not emanate from the Commission and if it did then they were not informed.

Gunraj comments came moments after APNU+AFC nominated Commissioner Vincent Alexander said that the electoral body had dispatched a letter to the Chief Immigration Officer earlier in the week.

Calls are now being made for clarity on who sent the letter, upon whose authority and approval, with what intent and why are coalition nominated Commissioners aware while the Opposition nominated Commissioners are left in the dark.

Telephone calls to the Public Relations Officer Yolanda Ward for clarity on this issue proved futile Friday.

In the context of the veracity of this disclosure by Alexander, there are fresh calls for the relevant authorities to aggressively investigate the inflation of figures by Returning Officer of Region Four, Clairmont Mingo in favour of the APNU+AFC coalition.

The letter sent by GECOM reportedly contains a list of names of persons who are alleged to have voted while not being in Guyana.

Alexander said the move is for GECOM to ascertain whether there is any truth to the claims that “migrant electors” voted in a manner that amounts to electoral fraud.

But Gunraj said he is unaware of any such missive. He also says that the electoral body has no legal powers to investigate the allegations migrated voters.

“The law does not allow GECOM to conduct any investigation and further as far I know the Commission has taken no decision to investigate, Gunraj added.

Gunraj now questions whether the Secretariat of GECOM would have dispatched the letter.

“Indeed, if the Secretariat is engaged in such an activity they are engaging in a frolic of their own and will have consequences… assuming but not conceding it must be met with consequences,” he added.

Meanwhile, the PPP in a subsequent statement on its Facebook page said Alexander is notably silent on the fraud perpetrated by Clairmont Mingo and apparently has no desire to have this investigated as it should be.

The PPP’s Anil Nandlall has called on the Chairman of GECOM Justice (retired) Claudette Singh to clarify the claims that GECOM is in communication with the Chief Immigration Officer on matters relating to migrant voting.

Nandlall questioned whether the letter was sent by the Secretariat, headed by Chief Elections Officer Keith Lowenfield.

“If this is so it means there is an unholy collaboration between Government Commissioners and certain elements in the secretariat acting in consort to carry out the agenda of the APNU+AFC… the Secretariat will be acting in subordination and without authority,” he added.

The PPP also wants the CEO to say urgently whether he or the Chairman has given directions to embark on an exercise outside of their remit.

“It appears that Alexander, a central figure in the APNU+AFC plot to rig the elections, has abrogated unto himself the role of GECOM spokesperson. He seems to be working with Roxanne Myers and others of the Secretariat to undermine the Commission and to give credence to APNU+AFC’s false allegations,” the PPP statement noted.

@Abu Jihad posted:

You title says GECOM opens probe, all opposition parties said that’s they are not aware if any probe.  Commissioner Gunraj, Irfan Ali and all smaller parties confirmed that no such task was taken up by the commission.  It all over the news including videos.

Dave can post the full rundown from the various news sources if you are incapable of verifying your posts. 

Abu, Django or someone allegedly post in his handle sometime last year saying The Guyana Chronicle is not a reliable source and he don’t even look at this news media. It’s in the archives rite hay. Stabroek News was his go to. 

Thanks Dave.
I only brought it up because he kept deleting the Bingo numbers as fake news, then he post from Chronicle as real news.

@Former Member posted:

Abu, Django or someone allegedly post in his handle sometime last year saying The Guyana Chronicle is not a reliable source and he don’t even look at this news media. It’s in the archives rite hay. Stabroek News was his go to. 

Quit the bull crap ,also post the source for the two articles.

Regarding the Chronicle ,its not my first choice ,because it's pro gov't. Unlike you every thing is from PPP mouth piece.

@Abu Jihad posted:

Thanks Dave.
I only brought it up because he kept deleting the Bingo numbers as fake news, then he post from Chronicle as real news.

 

Mr.Abu ,you need to quit your nonsense, on how the forum is managed. What happen with the analyst of Mingo numbers ,they ran out of information.No one have the spreadsheet from Mingo. Every day regurgitating one thing over and over.

Dave --

Sources for the following two articles are needed ...

1. Vincent Alexander working to undermine GECOM & give credence to APNU+AFC’s false allegations | Facebook

2. PPP GECOM Commissioners unaware of letter to Chief Immigration Officer

Sources are found on the respective --- https//

Note ..

All articles must have, at least ---

-- date

-- source

-- author if posted

-- etc., etc., etc..

@Former Member posted:

Dave --

Sources for the following two articles are needed ...

1. Vincent Alexander working to undermine GECOM & give credence to APNU+AFC’s false allegations | Facebook

2. PPP GECOM Commissioners unaware of letter to Chief Immigration Officer

Sources are found on the respective --- https//

Note ..

All articles must have, at least ---

-- date

-- source

-- author if posted

-- etc., etc., etc..

Remove it if he can't post the Source.

https://newsroom.gy/2020/05/29...immigration-officer/

@Former Member posted:

PPP GECOM Commissioners unaware of letter to Chief Immigration Officer

On May 29, 2020

Sase Gunraj, GECOM Commissioner

Opposition nominated Commissioner of the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) Sase Gunraj on Friday questioned the source of a letter written to the Chief Immigration Officer following allegations that citizens who were not in Guyana for the March 02, 2020 elections were marked off as having voted.

Gunraj and his colleague Commissioners from the opposition People’s Progressive Party claim that any such letter did not emanate from the Commission and if it did then they were not informed.

Gunraj comments came moments after APNU+AFC nominated Commissioner Vincent Alexander said that the electoral body had dispatched a letter to the Chief Immigration Officer earlier in the week.

Calls are now being made for clarity on who sent the letter, upon whose authority and approval, with what intent and why are coalition nominated Commissioners aware while the Opposition nominated Commissioners are left in the dark.

Telephone calls to the Public Relations Officer Yolanda Ward for clarity on this issue proved futile Friday.

In the context of the veracity of this disclosure by Alexander, there are fresh calls for the relevant authorities to aggressively investigate the inflation of figures by Returning Officer of Region Four, Clairmont Mingo in favour of the APNU+AFC coalition.

The letter sent by GECOM reportedly contains a list of names of persons who are alleged to have voted while not being in Guyana.

Alexander said the move is for GECOM to ascertain whether there is any truth to the claims that “migrant electors” voted in a manner that amounts to electoral fraud.

But Gunraj said he is unaware of any such missive. He also says that the electoral body has no legal powers to investigate the allegations migrated voters.

“The law does not allow GECOM to conduct any investigation and further as far I know the Commission has taken no decision to investigate, Gunraj added.

Gunraj now questions whether the Secretariat of GECOM would have dispatched the letter.

“Indeed, if the Secretariat is engaged in such an activity they are engaging in a frolic of their own and will have consequences… assuming but not conceding it must be met with consequences,” he added.

Meanwhile, the PPP in a subsequent statement on its Facebook page said Alexander is notably silent on the fraud perpetrated by Clairmont Mingo and apparently has no desire to have this investigated as it should be.

The PPP’s Anil Nandlall has called on the Chairman of GECOM Justice (retired) Claudette Singh to clarify the claims that GECOM is in communication with the Chief Immigration Officer on matters relating to migrant voting.

Nandlall questioned whether the letter was sent by the Secretariat, headed by Chief Elections Officer Keith Lowenfield.

“If this is so it means there is an unholy collaboration between Government Commissioners and certain elements in the secretariat acting in consort to carry out the agenda of the APNU+AFC… the Secretariat will be acting in subordination and without authority,” he added.

The PPP also wants the CEO to say urgently whether he or the Chairman has given directions to embark on an exercise outside of their remit.

“It appears that Alexander, a central figure in the APNU+AFC plot to rig the elections, has abrogated unto himself the role of GECOM spokesperson. He seems to be working with Roxanne Myers and others of the Secretariat to undermine the Commission and to give credence to APNU+AFC’s false allegations,” the PPP statement noted.

https://newsroom.gy/2020/05/29...immigration-officer/

Dave ..

Appreciate your reply.

I have included the sources for the articles, plus made the adjustments to this article to reflect the correct title ..

Alexander working to undermine GECOM - PPP

Hopefully, you will be a bit more attentive to post the source of articles plus other needed info.

Take care.  

@Django posted:

Mr.Abu ,you need to quit your nonsense, on how the forum is managed. What happen with the analyst of Mingo numbers ,they ran out of information.No one have the spreadsheet from Mingo. Every day regurgitating one thing over and over.

If I wake up in the morning and my fowlcock is missing with the pen door open and the padlock broken.  Am I not allowed to say that somebody thief my cock?  Using your analogy, I would have to investigate and get the name of the thief before  declaring somebody thief my fowlcock.

@Abu Jihad posted:

If I wake up in the morning and my fowlcock is missing with the pen door open and the padlock broken.  Am I not allowed to say that somebody thief my cock?  Using your analogy, I would have to investigate and get the name of the thief before  declaring somebody thief my fowlcock.

 

@Former Member posted:

Who stole your  "cock"?    Is it your "sweet homan"?

Can’t say according to Jango rules