Was he? I thought Gandhi was also helping Africans in South Africa.

Mahatma Gandhi was not perfect

no human being is

however, his contributions (ideas, example and otherwise) towards a fuller enlargment of the commonwealth of free mankind far outweigh the blinkered man-of-his-times sins of his early South Africa days

ask Martin Luther King, Jr.

ronan posted:

Mahatma Gandhi was not perfect

no human being is

however, his contributions (ideas, example and otherwise) towards a fuller enlargment of the commonwealth of free mankind far outweigh the blinkered man-of-his-times sins of his early South Africa days

ask Martin Luther King, Jr.

Or Nelson Mandela and Bishop Tutu..

I believe Martin Luther King and Ghandi may have met during their lifetime (or maybe not)...and King made references to Gandhi in his writings... 

It's good that the racist black man and black woman is giving those India koolie Indians a solid kick in their flat brown backsides.  I had always said that India must end all investment in Africa. Those traitor Indians who got kicked out of Uganda by that fat beast Idi Amin are now back there in Uganda for their second killing and kicking out. 

I was in Atlanta a few years ago visiting family and we toured the King Site. I was deeply touched by all this:

http://ohiosteps.org/mlknhstx.htm

Leonora posted:

I was in Atlanta a few years ago visiting family and we toured the King Site. I was deeply touched by all this:

http://ohiosteps.org/mlknhstx.htm

 

What nonsense is this.  You have money to waste.  You should have visited Renko-ji Temple in Japan where the late great Bose is buried. 

Prashad posted:

Leonora posted:

I was in Atlanta a few years ago visiting family and we toured the King Site. I was deeply touched by all this:

http://ohiosteps.org/mlknhstx.htm 

What nonsense is this.  You have money to waste.  You should have visited Renko-ji Temple in Japan where the late great Bose is buried. 

When I'm in Japan, I'll go.

VishMahabir posted:

I thought Gandhi was also helping Africans in South Africa.

VishMahabir, i find it curious that you dug up and posted a 7-month old report about Ghanaian University students petitioning/removing a statue of Mahatma Gandhi while claiming, most unpersuasively, that you are unaware of his poor relations with Blacks during the early life in South Africa

fodder for today’s Ghana/Guyana race baiters, perhaps . . . hmmmmm?

you are aware that this kind of revisionism is hardly an “Africa” phenomenon . . . that the most active of these movements are resident on some of the most lily-white university campuses in America, no?

if not, i suggest you look it up

but i am sure you are happy that ‘Prashad’ took the hint and jumped in with both feet

smh

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

I thought Gandhi was also helping Africans in South Africa.

VishMahabir, i find it curious that you dug up and posted a 7-month old report about Ghanaian University students petitioning/removing a statue of Mahatma Gandhi while claiming, most unpersuasively, that you are unaware of his poor relations with Blacks during the early life in South Africa

fodder for today’s Ghana/Guyana race baiters, perhaps . . . hmmmmm?

you are aware that this kind of revisionism is hardly an “Africa” phenomenon . . . that the most active of these movements are resident on some of the most lily-white university campuses in America, no?

if not, i suggest you look it up

but i am sure you are happy that ‘Prashad’ took the hint and jumped in with both feet

smh

Why should it matter if he pulled up an aged news report? It is history no less than Ghandi's position on race. There is no revisionism in the removal of the statue. The students and the Ghanaian society seem to place more value on Gandhi's early racism than his later teachings that changed the world. 

There is no parallel here to the removal of confederate monuments. These monuments were not commemorative but  celebratory and erected to send a message about what value the south espouses in the era of Jim Crow. You too smart for your own good. 

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

I thought Gandhi was also helping Africans in South Africa.

VishMahabir, i find it curious that you dug up and posted a 7-month old report about Ghanaian University students petitioning/removing a statue of Mahatma Gandhi while claiming, most unpersuasively, that you are unaware of his poor relations with Blacks during the early life in South Africa

fodder for today’s Ghana/Guyana race baiters, perhaps . . . hmmmmm?

you are aware that this kind of revisionism is hardly an “Africa” phenomenon . . . that the most active of these movements are resident on some of the most lily-white university campuses in America, no?

if not, i suggest you look it up

but i am sure you are happy that ‘Prashad’ took the hint and jumped in with both feet

smh

No. There is a discussion on Facebook about Ghana and Guyana. Somebody posted this article....thought it might be of interest here...

VishMahabir posted:

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

I thought Gandhi was also helping Africans in South Africa.

VishMahabir, i find it curious that you dug up and posted a 7-month old report about Ghanaian University students petitioning/removing a statue of Mahatma Gandhi while claiming, most unpersuasively, that you are unaware of his poor relations with Blacks during the early life in South Africa

fodder for today’s Ghana/Guyana race baiters, perhaps . . . hmmmmm?

you are aware that this kind of revisionism is hardly an “Africa” phenomenon . . . that the most active of these movements are resident on some of the most lily-white university campuses in America, no?

if not, i suggest you look it up

but i am sure you are happy that ‘Prashad’ took the hint and jumped in with both feet

smh

No. There is a discussion on Facebook about Ghana and Guyana. Somebody posted this article....thought it might be of interest here...

Besides...the government of Ghana said the statue will be relocated 

Prashad posted:

It's good that the racist black man and black woman is giving those India koolie Indians a solid kick in their flat brown backsides.  I had always said that India must end all investment in Africa. Those traitor Indians who got kicked out of Uganda by that fat beast Idi Amin are now back there in Uganda for their second killing and kicking out. 

There are many Indians who apparently are investors (exploiters?) in Africa making lots of money. Some are so powerful that they are able to corrupt the leaders of South Africa.

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

I thought Gandhi was also helping Africans in South Africa.

VishMahabir, i find it curious that you dug up and posted a 7-month old report about Ghanaian University students petitioning/removing a statue of Mahatma Gandhi while claiming, most unpersuasively, that you are unaware of his poor relations with Blacks during the early life in South Africa

fodder for today’s Ghana/Guyana race baiters, perhaps . . . hmmmmm?

you are aware that this kind of revisionism is hardly an “Africa” phenomenon . . . that the most active of these movements are resident on some of the most lily-white university campuses in America, no?

if not, i suggest you look it up

but i am sure you are happy that ‘Prashad’ took the hint and jumped in with both feet

smh

There is no parallel here to the removal of confederate monuments. These monuments were not commemorative but  celebratory and erected to send a message about what value the south espouses in the era of Jim Crow. You too smart for your own good. 

sir, there is much much more to the  historical revisionist movement than the removal of Confederate monuments

look into the Georgetown University agony over benefits the university gained from enslaved persons

or the controversial Wilson legacy at Princeton University

or the debate over slave-owning Founding Fathers who were less than perfect

the below is what happened at Cal Davis when they commissioned a Mahatma Gandhi statue not so long ago:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/lo...rticle105563876.html

you need to obsess with me less, broaden your education and get out more

smh

VishMahabir posted:

Prashad posted:

It's good that the racist black man and black woman is giving those India koolie Indians a solid kick in their flat brown backsides.  I had always said that India must end all investment in Africa. Those traitor Indians who got kicked out of Uganda by that fat beast Idi Amin are now back there in Uganda for their second killing and kicking out. 

There are many Indians who apparently are investors (exploiters?) in Africa making lots of money. Some are so powerful that they are able to corrupt the leaders of South Africa.

There needs to be a complete withdrawal by East Indians from Africa. Let Africans develop Africa. Africans have done a splendid job in South Sudan so far.

Oi man, you ever been prescribed Prozac?

When the Caribjs of this world look at Cain they see a brother when the Caribjs of this world see Prashad they see a brown subhuman inferior. A big difference.

Prashad posted:

There needs to be a complete withdrawal by East Indians from Africa. Let Africans develop Africa. Africans have done a splendid job in South Sudan so far.

Africa would have been far more developed, had it not been for the Indians who ripped off the continent after the colonial masters had left. Idi Amin figured that out in the early seventies.

VishMahabir posted:

'Racist' Gandhi statue removed from University of Ghana

BBC News

• 13 December 2018

 

A statue of Mahatma Gandhi, the famed Indian independence leader, has been removed from a university campus in Ghana's capital, Accra.

University of Ghana lecturers began a petition for its removal shortly after it was unveiled in 2016 by India's former President Pranab Mukherjee.

The petition said Gandhi was "racist" and African heroes should be put first.

In the wake of the row, Ghana's government at the time said the statue would be relocated.

• BBC Africa Live: More on this and other stories

Lecturers and students told the BBC that the statue, originally located at the university's recreational quadrangle, had been removed on Wednesday.

The university confirmed this, saying that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration was responsible.

Law student Nana Adoma Asare Adei told the BBC: "Having his statue means that we stand for everything he stands for and if he stands for these things [his alleged racism], I don't think we should have his statue on campus."

Mahatma Gandhi was one of the most celebrated figures of the 20th Century. He is best known for leading non-violent resistance to British colonial rule in India.

However, as a young man he lived and worked in South Africa, and although he has inspired people throughout the world his comments on black Africans have been controversial.

In his early writings he referred to black South Africans as "kaffirs" - a highly offensive racist slur. He also said that Indians were "infinitely superior" to black people.

• Was Mahatma Gandhi a racist?

Lecturers and students celebrated in front of the newly empty plinth after the statuewas removed

Expected of the Akans. In Guyana, it is claimed, dey are Akans there as well. Dig up old shit like the 1917 plan to extend Indentureship.

Mr.T posted:

Prashad posted:

There needs to be a complete withdrawal by East Indians from Africa. Let Africans develop Africa. Africans have done a splendid job in South Sudan so far.

Africa would have been far more developed, had it not been for the Indians who ripped off the continent after the colonial masters had left. Idi Amin figured that out in the early seventies.

Idi Amin was a racist black beast who was trying to impress white Arabs. That is why they took care of him and his 59 kids when he got overthrown. East Indians should take their money and develop the slums of India instead of helping racist white Arabs and racist blacks to oppress them further.

seignet posted:

Expected of the Akans. In Guyana, it is claimed, dey are Akans there as well.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/lo...rticle105560351.html

are the Sikhs protesting here in Sacramento "Akans" too?

i dearly hope satan comes earlier than necessary for your mortgaged, condemned soul

smh

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

I thought Gandhi was also helping Africans in South Africa.

VishMahabir, i find it curious that you dug up and posted a 7-month old report about Ghanaian University students petitioning/removing a statue of Mahatma Gandhi while claiming, most unpersuasively, that you are unaware of his poor relations with Blacks during the early life in South Africa

fodder for today’s Ghana/Guyana race baiters, perhaps . . . hmmmmm?

you are aware that this kind of revisionism is hardly an “Africa” phenomenon . . . that the most active of these movements are resident on some of the most lily-white university campuses in America, no?

if not, i suggest you look it up

but i am sure you are happy that ‘Prashad’ took the hint and jumped in with both feet

smh

There is no parallel here to the removal of confederate monuments. These monuments were not commemorative but  celebratory and erected to send a message about what value the south espouses in the era of Jim Crow. You too smart for your own good. 

sir, there is much much more to the  historical revisionist movement than the removal of Confederate monuments

look into the Georgetown University agony over benefits the university gained from enslaved persons

or the controversial Wilson legacy at Princeton University

or the debate over slave-owning Founding Fathers who were less than perfect

the below is what happened at Cal Davis when they commissioned a Mahatma Gandhi statue not so long ago:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/lo...rticle105563876.html

you need to obsess with me less, broaden your education and get out more

smh

Never said there was not a broader scope to the retrospective look at representations of discriminations. I spoke to statues and their removal and in this instance the removal of Ghandi's statue.

You give yourself more value than you are worth. I write to anything that catches my eye and here it is your usual tirade against someone you disagreed with without being informative. 

My education was among the best schools so I am sure where the lacking reside.

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

I thought Gandhi was also helping Africans in South Africa.

VishMahabir, i find it curious that you dug up and posted a 7-month old report about Ghanaian University students petitioning/removing a statue of Mahatma Gandhi while claiming, most unpersuasively, that you are unaware of his poor relations with Blacks during the early life in South Africa

fodder for today’s Ghana/Guyana race baiters, perhaps . . . hmmmmm?

you are aware that this kind of revisionism is hardly an “Africa” phenomenon . . . that the most active of these movements are resident on some of the most lily-white university campuses in America, no?

if not, i suggest you look it up

but i am sure you are happy that ‘Prashad’ took the hint and jumped in with both feet

smh

There is no parallel here to the removal of confederate monuments. These monuments were not commemorative but  celebratory and erected to send a message about what value the south espouses in the era of Jim Crow. You too smart for your own good. 

sir, there is much much more to the  historical revisionist movement than the removal of Confederate monuments

look into the Georgetown University agony over benefits the university gained from enslaved persons

or the controversial Wilson legacy at Princeton University

or the debate over slave-owning Founding Fathers who were less than perfect

the below is what happened at Cal Davis when they commissioned a Mahatma Gandhi statue not so long ago:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/lo...rticle105563876.html

you need to obsess with me less, broaden your education and get out more

smh

Never said there was not a broader scope to the retrospective look at representations of discriminations. I spoke to statues and their removal and in this instance the removal of Ghandi's statue.

You give yourself more value than you are worth. I write to anything that catches my eye and here it is your usual tirade against someone you disagreed with without being informative. 

My education was among the best schools so I am sure where the lacking reside.

banna, juss staan quiet, listen and learn

you are embarrassing yourself with every 'response'

Mr.T posted:

Prashad posted:

There needs to be a complete withdrawal by East Indians from Africa. Let Africans develop Africa. Africans have done a splendid job in South Sudan so far.

Africa would have been far more developed, had it not been for the Indians who ripped off the continent after the colonial masters had left. Idi Amin figured that out in the early seventies.

Crap as usual. Africa underdevelopment historically has a lot to do with geography and later with exploitation of its human resources by both Arabs and Europeans who took similar amount of its productive population into slavery. From the 19th century to now the exploitation has been mainly to its mineral resources and that continues. Merchants from various places with more connection to the sources of merchandise needed in Africa, exploited development in the sense of suffocating local craft. The Chinese are doing that far more devastatingly than before. By the way, the Chinese are doing the same in Guyana where they are the "wallmart" and "Amazon" destroying local merchants and replacing them with sole sourcing of crappy products from china.

The Chinese are doing the same on Flatbush and Liberty Avenues.   You all better stop selling drugs on Flatbush and black pudding on Liberty  and get into competition like the Indians from India.

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

 

banna, juss staan quiet, listen and learn

you are embarrassing yourself with every 'response'

Advice worth its salt if the doctor in the house took his own medicine.

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

banna, juss staan quiet, listen and learn
you are embarrassing yourself with every 'response'

Advice worth its salt if the doctor in the house took his own medicine.

. . . sniffs the insecure, obsessed troll as he trails me, inhaling my farts

uh huh

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

banna, juss staan quiet, listen and learn
you are embarrassing yourself with every 'response'

Advice worth its salt if the doctor in the house took his own medicine.

. . . sniffs the insecure, obsessed troll as he trails me, inhaling my farts

uh huh

I do admit you have a Trumplike personality. 

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

banna, juss staan quiet, listen and learn
you are embarrassing yourself with every 'response'

Advice worth its salt if the doctor in the house took his own medicine.

. . . sniffs the insecure, obsessed troll as he trails me, inhaling my farts

uh huh

I do admit you have a Trumplike personality. 

yeah sure . . . well, just so everybady know, here is the full measure of your dotishness on display on the other thread:

https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/g...8#597623948887257038

Ronan: "so don't hate because i make too much sense"

this is your illiterate response

Stormborn: "You leverage the idea that you are the object of  "hate". That is pathetic."

banna, no way you can be playing with a full deck

smfh

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

banna, juss staan quiet, listen and learn
you are embarrassing yourself with every 'response'

Advice worth its salt if the doctor in the house took his own medicine.

. . . sniffs the insecure, obsessed troll as he trails me, inhaling my farts

uh huh

I do admit you have a Trumplike personality. 

yeah sure . . . well, just so everybady know, here is the full measure of your dotishness on display on the other thread:

https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/g...8#597623948887257038

Ronan: "so don't hate because i make too much sense"

this is your illiterate response

Stormborn: "You leverage the idea that you are the object of  "hate". That is pathetic."

banna, no way you can be playing with a full deck

smfh

there is the usual and perfunctory "everybody know" . Top that off with the Nehru like use of the phrase "your illiterate" response and you have classic scattered brained post.  Of course it is always expected to assume the role of resident psychiatrist and make a diagnosis as to mental state. Welcome to the world of the classically confused! 

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

yeah sure . . . well, just so everybady know, here is the full measure of your dotishness on display on the other thread:

https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/g...8#597623948887257038

Ronan: "so don't hate because i make too much sense"

this is your illiterate response

Stormborn: "You leverage the idea that you are the object of  "hate". That is pathetic."

banna, no way you can be playing with a full deck

smfh

there is the usual and perfunctory "everybody know" . Top that off with the Nehru like use of the phrase "your illiterate" response and you have classic scattered brained post.  Of course it is always expected to assume the role of resident psychiatrist and make a diagnosis as to mental state. Welcome to the world of the classically confused!

needless to say, i posted for "everbady [else]" on the board to consider, not you

your bleating to paint over the obvious does not matter

and if you don't yet understand what i mean by "illiterate" here . . . well, that just proves my point, no?

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

yeah sure . . . well, just so everybady know, here is the full measure of your dotishness on display on the other thread:

https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/g...8#597623948887257038

Ronan: "so don't hate because i make too much sense"

this is your illiterate response

Stormborn: "You leverage the idea that you are the object of  "hate". That is pathetic."

banna, no way you can be playing with a full deck

smfh

there is the usual and perfunctory "everybody know" . Top that off with the Nehru like use of the phrase "your illiterate" response and you have classic scattered brained post.  Of course it is always expected to assume the role of resident psychiatrist and make a diagnosis as to mental state. Welcome to the world of the classically confused!

needless to say, i posted for "everbady [else]" on the board to consider, not you

your bleating to paint over the obvious does not matter

and if you don't yet understand what i mean by "illiterate" here . . . well, that just proves my point, no?

indeed you did.  I doubt anyone would say they agree with you including them as being informed on the obviousness of me being a fool. I dare say you would have them out to tar and feather you more quickly!

Of course I do not understand what it means to be illiterate! You are authoritative on that as well. It is the usual habit of trying to run farther than you can walk. BK and I had a long discussion on the international metrics used to assess literacy globally and their merits and demerits. But then again, you know best.

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

yeah sure . . . well, just so everybady know, here is the full measure of your dotishness on display on the other thread:

https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/g...8#597623948887257038

Ronan: "so don't hate because i make too much sense"

this is your illiterate response

Stormborn: "You leverage the idea that you are the object of  "hate". That is pathetic."

banna, no way you can be playing with a full deck

smfh

there is the usual and perfunctory "everybody know" . Top that off with the Nehru like use of the phrase "your illiterate" response and you have classic scattered brained post.  Of course it is always expected to assume the role of resident psychiatrist and make a diagnosis as to mental state. Welcome to the world of the classically confused!

needless to say, i posted for "everbady [else]" on the board to consider, not you

your bleating to paint over the obvious does not matter

and if you don't yet understand what i mean by "illiterate" here . . . well, that just proves my point, no?

indeed you did.  I doubt anyone would say they agree with you including them as being informed on the obviousness of me being a fool. I dare say you would have them out to tar and feather you more quickly!

Of course I do not understand what it means to be illiterate! You are authoritative on that as well. It is the usual habit of trying to run farther than you can walk. BK and I had a long discussion on the international metrics used to assess literacy globally and their merits and demerits. But then again, you know best.

uh huh . . . weird and sad

tragi-comic

smh

Mr.T posted:

Prashad posted:

There needs to be a complete withdrawal by East Indians from Africa. Let Africans develop Africa. Africans have done a splendid job in South Sudan so far.

Africa would have been far more developed, had it not been for the Indians who ripped off the continent after the colonial masters had left. Idi Amin figured that out in the early seventies.

I knew it! It is those damn racist Indians again.

ronan posted:

uh huh . . . weird and sad

tragi-comic

smh

Stuttering as usual

Prashad posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Prashad posted:

It's good that the racist black man and black woman is giving those India koolie Indians a solid kick in their flat brown backsides.  I had always said that India must end all investment in Africa. Those traitor Indians who got kicked out of Uganda by that fat beast Idi Amin are now back there in Uganda for their second killing and kicking out. 

There are many Indians who apparently are investors (exploiters?) in Africa making lots of money. Some are so powerful that they are able to corrupt the leaders of South Africa.

There needs to be a complete withdrawal by East Indians from Africa. Let Africans develop Africa. Africans have done a splendid job in South Sudan so far.

Your ongoing commentary on exclusion and segregation is what the world needs LESS of. You are propagating hate and discrimination. You should be living in a homogeneous East Indian society, not the USA.

VishMahabir posted:

Was he? I thought Gandhi was also helping Africans in South Africa.

Ghandi screamed and bused down the whites for placing Indians in the same position as savage "kaffirs".  Gandhi was a racist who despised black South Africans. 

Later on he claimed that he had learned the error of his ways but when he lived in South Africa his goal was to have Indians treated like whites.  Equality for blacks wasn't something that he believed in.

Prashad posted:

It's good that the racist black man and black woman is giving those India koolie Indians a solid kick in their flat brown backsides.  I had always said that India must end all investment in Africa. Those traitor Indians who got kicked out of Uganda by that fat beast Idi Amin are now back there in Uganda for their second killing and kicking out. 

Find out the reason why Africans despised Indians.  You don't enter a society and hold yourself superior to those who live there and then get loved. 

Idi Amin was a brute and its mainly black Ugandans who suffered but East African Asians werent saints.  They happily joined with the white man in exploiting the blacks in the colonial era.

Prashad posted:

When the Caribjs of this world look at Cain they see a brother when the Caribjs of this world see Prashad they see a brown subhuman inferior. A big difference.

I think that Prashad is inferior because Prashad himself thinks that he is. 

Poor Prashad, his devotion to whites and his endless self hatred is a true tragedy to behold.  Always lamenting that he cannot get a white woman because of his personal inadequacies and expressing jealous rage to those who he thinks can.

Beware of this brother name Carib.  Only a dead Indian is a good Indian.