That's infinitesimal compared to an empty treasury.

This is how the PPP run Guyana like a Communist State,agencies can use each other service no payment required.

Some big boys in New York raking some dough draw down money and don't pay back from the sales for the PPP propaganda in N.Y

The klan will say prove it...and....where is the thieving.

skeldon_man posted:

That's infinitesimal compared to an empty treasury.

What do i expect the PPP bhais were excellent managers,na suh.

Like Django blind with the 18 MILLION US dollars, PNC high haul.

yuji22 posted:

Like Django blind with the 18 MILLION US dollars, PNC high haul.

Still  unproven i don't drink coolaid from the Guyana Times.

I do not drink cool aid from KN Rag and Racist SN. 

To date, they (AFC/PNC) failed to prove any of their claims.

I do not argue with fools.

Auditors does lie...is that right.

yuji22 posted:

I do not argue with fools.

"Look in the mirror", I find the behavior of some PPP klan  call people names when confronted,for the same reason i avoid having a discussion on BB wit a few.

You guys can have your one sided conversation,not much can be brought to the table,sheer nonsense are presented.

yuji22 posted:

I do not argue with fools.

yuji22 posted:

I do not argue with fools.

Why would you, you're all on the same side.

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

I do not argue with fools.

"Look in the mirror", I find the behavior of some PPP klan  call people names when confronted, for the same reason i avoid having a discussion on BB wit a few.

You guys can have your one sided conversation, not much can be brought to the table, sheer nonsense are presented.

This seems to be common with some, when confronted with a controversial question, they tend to name-call and degrade, instead of having a civil discussion.

I believe it was Cobra, some time ago, who was firm against name-calling, but it did not stop him from doing so. It shows immaturity.  

Tola posted:

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

I do not argue with fools.

"Look in the mirror", I find the behavior of some PPP klan  call people names when confronted, for the same reason i avoid having a discussion on BB wit a few.

You guys can have your one sided conversation, not much can be brought to the table, sheer nonsense are presented.

This seems to be common with some, when confronted with a controversial question, they tend to name-call and degrade, instead of having a civil discussion.

I believe it was Cobra, some time ago, who was firm against name-calling, but it did not stop him from doing so. It shows immaturity.  

Talk about degrading, you have been here for a while.  What was to tone by many used to refer to members and the supporters of the PPP over the years?  Did you ever take the time to caution those perpetrators?

In the end, all what is being done/discovered does not signify fraud or intent to commit fraud!  Having been in power for such a long time, you get careless, take things for granted, etc.  New guy comes in, takes a fresh look and find all the little carelessness.  5 - 10 years later, he is in the same boat!!

Hopefully sometime between last May and the 2020 elections, this government will find the desire/will/way to look ahead instead of being obsessed with what took place prior to May 11, 2015.

That's the problem, the government has an uncanny Jagdeo obsession which gets in the way of the country's development.   

Bibi Haniffa posted:

That's the problem, the government has an uncanny Jagdeo obsession which gets in the way of the country's development.   

I don't necessarily think it is their obsession with Jagdeo. I think it is more like their sheer haplessness.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

That's the problem, the government has an uncanny Jagdeo obsession which gets in the way of the country's development.   

No they don't.

The auditing is done to look at the Financial health of the entities,also to discover the suspicions they had of wrongdoings  while in opposition,they reason why this is done is because the Government auditing is not up to date.I think it is justified for the Coalition Government  to do this.

So what happens wrong doings are found, this is what Baseman response is.

"In the end, all what is being done/discovered does not signify fraud or intent to commit fraud!  Having been in power for such a long time, you get careless, take things for granted, etc.  New guy comes in, takes a fresh look and find all the little carelessness.  5 - 10 years later, he is in the same boat!!"

Unbelievable.

ksazma posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

That's the problem, the government has an uncanny Jagdeo obsession which gets in the way of the country's development.   

I don't necessarily think it is their obsession with Jagdeo. I think it is more like their sheer haplessness.

Kaz, you are an accountant [i guess] what your take are there any wrong doings??

Django posted:

ksazma posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

That's the problem, the government has an uncanny Jagdeo obsession which gets in the way of the country's development.   

I don't necessarily think it is their obsession with Jagdeo. I think it is more like their sheer haplessness.

Kaz, you are an accountant [i guess] what your take are there any wrong doings??

I don't see the wrong doing bai. Receivables are looked at based on their expectations of being settled. These are all somewhat connected entities to the government and at anytime can access funding from each other for their operations. Mismanagement maybe but given the manner of how all these agencies inter-relate, that would be deemed a non-issue.

Regardless, my hope is that the current government begin focusing on the futures of Guyanese than waste time doing post mortem. After all they have been making these claims for years about the PPP and I think the people in Guyana are more interested in what their future is rather than what the PPP was. Now when 2020 comes around, the current government will have the opportunity to present their 5 years against the PPP's before 2015. If all they have then is talking about the PPP prior to 2015, Guyanese will not choose being worse off under the current government rather than being better off under the corrupted PPP government.

baseman posted:

ksazma posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

That's the problem, the government has an uncanny Jagdeo obsession which gets in the way of the country's development.   

I don't necessarily think it is their obsession with Jagdeo. I think it is more like their sheer haplessness.

BJ has emerged as a major force beyond their expectations and the PNC is concerned with him!

There is one very undisputed record. Jagdeo elections numbers are the highest of any Guyanese President. And his was higher in his second term than his first. Even Obama did not enjoy that level of loyalty.

ksazma posted:

There is one very undisputed record. Jagdeo elections numbers are the highest of any Guyanese President. And his was higher in his second term than his first. Even Obama did not enjoy that level of loyalty.

jumbie arithmetic!

jagdeo/PPP faced the polls twice . . . in 2001 and 2006

the PPP polled nearly 30,000 LESS votes in 2006 vs 2001

??

redux posted:

ksazma posted:

There is one very undisputed record. Jagdeo elections numbers are the highest of any Guyanese President. And his was higher in his second term than his first. Even Obama did not enjoy that level of loyalty.

jumbie arithmetic!

jagdeo/PPP faced the polls twice . . . in 2001 and 2006

the PPP polled nearly 30,000 LESS votes in 2006 vs 2001

??

2001 Results[edit]

Party	Votes	%	Seats	+/-
People's Progressive Party	210,013	53.0	34	+5
People's National Congress	165,866	41.8	27	+5
Guyana Action Party–Working People's Alliance	9,451	2.4	2	+1
Rise Organise and Rebuild Guyana	3,695	0.9	1	New
United Force	2,904	0.7	1	0
Justice for All Party	2,825	0.7	0	0
Guyana Democratic Party	1,345	0.3	0	0
National Front Alliance	417	0.1	0	New
Invalid/blank votes	7,218	–	–	–
Total	403,734	100	65	+12
Registered voters/turnout	440,185	91.7	–	–
Source: Nohlen

 

2006 Results[edit]

Party	Votes	%	Seats
			Constituency	Top-up	Total	+/–
People's Progressive Party	183,867	54.6	15	21	36	+2
People's National Congress	114,608	34.0	9	13	22	–6
Alliance for Change	28,366	8.4	1	4	5	New
Guyana Action Party–ROAR	4,249	1.2	0	1	1	–2
The United Force	2,864	0.8	0	1	1	0
Justice for All Party	2,571	0.8	0	0	0	0
Invalid/blank votes	5,051	–	–	–	–	–
Total	338,839	100	25	40	65	0
Registered voters/turnout	492,369	68.8	–	–	–	–
Source: Adam Carr, IPU

 

ksazma posted:

redux posted:

ksazma posted:

There is one very undisputed record. Jagdeo elections numbers are the highest of any Guyanese President. And his was higher in his second term than his first. Even Obama did not enjoy that level of loyalty.

jumbie arithmetic!

jagdeo/PPP faced the polls twice . . . in 2001 and 2006

the PPP polled nearly 30,000 LESS votes in 2006 vs 2001

??

2001 Results[edit]

Party	Votes	%	Seats	+/-
People's Progressive Party	210,013	53.0	34	+5
People's National Congress	165,866	41.8	27	+5
Guyana Action Party–Working People's Alliance	9,451	2.4	2	+1
Rise Organise and Rebuild Guyana	3,695	0.9	1	New
United Force	2,904	0.7	1	0
Justice for All Party	2,825	0.7	0	0
Guyana Democratic Party	1,345	0.3	0	0
National Front Alliance	417	0.1	0	New
Invalid/blank votes	7,218	–	–	–
Total	403,734	100	65	+12
Registered voters/turnout	440,185	91.7	–	–
Source: Nohlen

 

2006 Results[edit]

Party	Votes	%	Seats
			Constituency	Top-up	Total	+/–
People's Progressive Party	183,867	54.6	15	21	36	+2
People's National Congress	114,608	34.0	9	13	22	–6
Alliance for Change	28,366	8.4	1	4	5	New
Guyana Action Party–ROAR	4,249	1.2	0	1	1	–2
The United Force	2,864	0.8	0	1	1	0
Justice for All Party	2,571	0.8	0	0	0	0
Invalid/blank votes	5,051	–	–	–	–	–
Total	338,839	100	25	40	65	0
Registered voters/turnout	492,369	68.8	–	–	–	–
Source: Adam Carr, IPU

 

that's what i said fool

Jagdeo led the PPP to losses in 2011 and 2015.

Managing the election sentiments 36 seats are more than 34. And I don't even need to seek to degrade my opponent to feel good about my argument.

ksazma posted:

Managing the election sentiments 36 seats are more than 34. And I don't even need to seek to degrade my opponent to feel good about my argument.

first, what the france does "managing the election sentiments" mean . . . your brain on 'disengage' or what?

how on earth does winning an extra 2 seats trump losing near 30,000 votes in the "LOYALTY" sweepstakes, eh?

fanci-dancin with 'numbers' only means u "degrade" yourself sir

smfh

redux posted:

ksazma posted:

Managing the election sentiments 36 seats are more than 34. And I don't even need to seek to degrade my opponent to feel good about my argument.

first, what the france does "managing the election sentiments" mean . . . your brain on 'disengage' or what?

how on earth does winning an extra 2 seats trump losing near 30,000 votes in the "LOYALTY" sweepstakes, eh?

fanci-dancin with 'numbers' only means u "degrade" yourself sir

smfh

It does. There were two more voters in the Assembly after the 2006 elections than they were in 2001. Number of votes have many contributors. So keep shaking yuh head bai.

ksazma posted:

redux posted:

ksazma posted:

Managing the election sentiments 36 seats are more than 34. And I don't even need to seek to degrade my opponent to feel good about my argument.

first, what the france does "managing the election sentiments" mean . . . your brain on 'disengage' or what?

how on earth does winning an extra 2 seats trump losing near 30,000 votes in the "LOYALTY" sweepstakes, eh?

fanci-dancin with 'numbers' only means u "degrade" yourself sir

smfh

It does. There were two more voters in the Assembly after the 2006 elections than they were in 2001. Number of votes have many contributors. So keep shaking yuh head bai.

reflect on the violence done to your own case when u got on your knees and started cooing about "LOYALTY"

sad to watch the grinnin and dancin . . . music already stop and u doan even know it

start whistling

redux posted:

reflect on the violence done to your own case when u got on your knees and started cooing about "LOYALTY"

 

I don't get on my knees bai. You have to stop believing that other people have your tendency.

Jagdeo enjoyed loyalty during his entire time as President and it was only after the selection of Ramotar that the PPP begin to lose some of its support that would have kept it in the majority. It had to take almost every other political party in Guyana to join together to make the PPP the minority and they barely managed to tip the scale by one seat. One seat. That is exactly half of the two seats that the PPP added to their National Assembly total when Jagdeo competed for reelection in 2006.

ksazma posted:

redux posted:

reflect on the violence done to your own case when u got on your knees and started cooing about "LOYALTY"

sad to watch the grinnin and dancin . . . music already stop and u doan even know it

start whistling

I don't get on my knees bai. You have to stop believing that other people have your tendency.

Jagdeo enjoyed loyalty during his entire time as President and it was only after the selection of Ramotar that the PPP begin to lose some of its support that would have kept it in the majority. It had to take almost every other political party in Guyana to join together to make the PPP the minority and they barely managed to tip the scale by one seat. One seat. That is exactly half of the two seats that the PPP added to their National Assembly total when Jagdeo competed for reelection in 2006.

sir, i am quite sure that, throughout, you and yours remained loyal to jagdeo . . . but that is not my issue

again, exactly how is LOYALTY to jagdeo "higher" in 2006 when he loses near 30,000 votes in the election?

this is not hard

redux posted:

sir, i am quite sure that, throughout, you and yours remained loyal to jagdeo . . . but that is not my issue

again, exactly how is LOYALTY to jagdeo "higher" in 2006 when he loses near 30,000 votes in the election?

this is not hard

Now, this makes you not sure about two things. Firstly, I am not loyal to any political or religious representative. I don't even care about the PPP. I use them to demonstrate that the new government is no different in terms of the tendencies of Politicians except that the new government is hapless.

Secondly, you can lose sleep over the number of people that voted. I don't care to walk down that path with you. I am sure that there were valid contributors to the drop-off of actual voters in 2006. Nonetheless, the PPP garnered a higher percentage of the total votes and added 2 additional seats to their National Assembly total. Hopefully that wasn't too hard for you. If it is, then you are on your own.

ksazma posted:

redux posted:

sir, i am quite sure that, throughout, you and yours remained loyal to jagdeo . . . but that is not my issue

again, exactly how is LOYALTY to jagdeo "higher" in 2006 when he loses near 30,000 votes in the election?

this is not hard

Now, this makes you not sure about two things. Firstly, I am not loyal to any political or religious representative. I don't even care about the PPP. I use them to demonstrate that the new government is no different in terms of the tendencies of Politicians except that the new government is hapless.

Secondly, you can lose sleep over the number of people that whvoted. I don't care to walk down that path with you. I am sure that there were valid contributors to the drop-off of actual voters in 2006. Nonetheless, the PPP garnered a higher percentage of the total votes and added 2 additional seats to their National Assembly total. Hopefully that wasn't too hard for you. If it is, then you are on your own.

lemme help this cripple situation

is higher "LOYALTY" to jagdeo that caused the near 30,000 former PPP voters to stay home or vote AFC

nah suh bai?

redux posted:

ksazma posted:

redux posted:

sir, i am quite sure that, throughout, you and yours remained loyal to jagdeo . . . but that is not my issue

again, exactly how is LOYALTY to jagdeo "higher" in 2006 when he loses near 30,000 votes in the election?

this is not hard

Now, this makes you not sure about two things. Firstly, I am not loyal to any political or religious representative. I don't even care about the PPP. I use them to demonstrate that the new government is no different in terms of the tendencies of Politicians except that the new government is hapless.

Secondly, you can lose sleep over the number of people that whvoted. I don't care to walk down that path with you. I am sure that there were valid contributors to the drop-off of actual voters in 2006. Nonetheless, the PPP garnered a higher percentage of the total votes and added 2 additional seats to their National Assembly total. Hopefully that wasn't too hard for you. If it is, then you are on your own.

lemme help this cripple situation

is higher "LOYALTY" to jagdeo that caused the near 30,000 former PPP voters to stay home or vote AFC

nah suh bai?

Nice try bai. Those AFC votes in 2006 came from traditional PNC voters who defected to AFC in support of AFC Presidential candidate Raphael Trotman. The traditional PPP voters shifted to the AFC for the 2011 elections while those previous PNC defectors went back to the PNC since Trotman was no longer the Presidential candidate.

ksazma posted:

redux posted:

ksazma posted:

redux posted:

sir, i am quite sure that, throughout, you and yours remained loyal to jagdeo . . . but that is not my issue

again, exactly how is LOYALTY to jagdeo "higher" in 2006 when he loses near 30,000 votes in the election?

this is not hard

Now, this makes you not sure about two things. Firstly, I am not loyal to any political or religious representative. I don't even care about the PPP. I use them to demonstrate that the new government is no different in terms of the tendencies of Politicians except that the new government is hapless.

Secondly, you can lose sleep over the number of people that whvoted. I don't care to walk down that path with you. I am sure that there were valid contributors to the drop-off of actual voters in 2006. Nonetheless, the PPP garnered a higher percentage of the total votes and added 2 additional seats to their National Assembly total. Hopefully that wasn't too hard for you. If it is, then you are on your own.

lemme help this cripple situation

is higher "LOYALTY" to jagdeo that caused the near 30,000 former PPP voters to stay home or vote AFC

nah suh bai?

Nice try bai. Those AFC votes in 2006 came from traditional PNC voters who defected to AFC in support of AFC Presidential candidate Raphael Trotman. The traditional PPP voters shifted to the AFC for the 2011 elections while those previous PNC defectors went back to the PNC since Trotman was no longer the Presidential candidate.

i agree . . . only a small slice of AFC 2006 support came from PPP disaffected

the majority of near 30,000 former PPP voters in that election STAYED HOME!

poor u

redux posted:

ksazma posted:

redux posted:

lemme help this cripple situation

is higher "LOYALTY" to jagdeo that caused the near 30,000 former PPP voters to stay home or vote AFC

nah suh bai?

Nice try bai. Those AFC votes in 2006 came from traditional PNC voters who defected to AFC in support of AFC Presidential candidate Raphael Trotman. The traditional PPP voters shifted to the AFC for the 2011 elections while those previous PNC defectors went back to the PNC since Trotman was no longer the Presidential candidate.

i agree . . . only a small slice of AFC 2006 support came from PPP disaffected

the majority of near 30,000 former PPP voters in that election STAYED HOME!

poor u

Nothing poor about me bai. There is no record of any near 30000 former PPP voters in 2006. No amount of you trying to make things up will make them so.

ksazma posted:

redux posted:

ksazma posted:

redux posted:

lemme help this cripple situation

is higher "LOYALTY" to jagdeo that caused the near 30,000 former PPP voters to stay home or vote AFC

nah suh bai?

Nice try bai. Those AFC votes in 2006 came from traditional PNC voters who defected to AFC in support of AFC Presidential candidate Raphael Trotman. The traditional PPP voters shifted to the AFC for the 2011 elections while those previous PNC defectors went back to the PNC since Trotman was no longer the Presidential candidate.

i agree . . . only a small slice of AFC 2006 support came from PPP disaffected

the majority of near 30,000 former PPP voters in that election STAYED HOME!

poor u

Nothing poor about me bai. There is no record of any near 30000 former PPP voters in 2006. No amount of you trying to make things up will make them so.

ow, ow bai . . . look how u juss checkmate me deh

is only 26,016 former PPP voters who stay home or vote AFC and REFUSE to vote fuh jagdeo in 2006 . . . not "near 30,000"

better?

lol

redux posted:

ow, ow bai . . . look how u juss checkmate me deh

is only 26,016 former PPP voters who stay home or vote AFC and REFUSE to vote fuh jagdeo in 2006 . . . not "near 30,000"

better?

lol

Not even a start bai. There is no record of any part of 26,016 voters who were former PPP voters or who REFUSED to vote fuh Jagdeo in 2006.

ksazma posted:

redux posted:

ow, ow bai . . . look how u juss checkmate me deh

is only 26,016 former PPP voters who stay home or vote AFC and REFUSE to vote fuh jagdeo in 2006 . . . not "near 30,000"

better?

lol

Not even a start bai. There is no record of any part of 26,016 voters who were former PPP voters or who REFUSED to vote fuh Jagdeo in 2006.

please provide the correct number

and perhaps u can then tell us what magician's trick caused them to 'disappear' in 2006

thanx

yuji22 posted:

I do not argue with fools.

Even fools could best you at arguing. I doubt you even know that it takes to formalize an argument.