Solar energy indeed has its place and influence in society.

However, hydroelectric power projects provide reliable, long-term services to and for the community.

Costs for construction and related works in Guyana are somewhat high due to the locations of the potential sites and access to them.

@Former Member posted:

Solar energy indeed has its place and influence in society.

However, hydroelectric power projects provide reliable, long-term services to and for the community.

Costs for construction and related works in Guyana are somewhat high due to the locations of the potential sites and access to them.

That's the problem ,unless towns are created more inland ,transmission lines cost will be reduced.

Both points are valid. Hydro is needed. They had planned a transmission line.  Every country moves the power to the people. Guyana is no different.  It will get done under the PPP.

Indeed Django ... indeed ---

However, with the start of construction of this major project; hopefully in a few years from now; major industries will develop because of the reliable source of energy plus there will be a much stable source of energy for local/consumer purposes.

Rehabilitation of the Tumatumari hydroelectric power station plus the continued construction of small/mini hydropower plants will provide a more stable source of energy to the local communities in the interior.

Natural gas is readily available from the offshore oil extraction. It may be a lot cheaper to bring it onshore rather than spending a billion dollars on hydroelectricity and only getting 165 MW output. For that amount of power generation, most countries were paying less than half a billion dollars. PPP bais will be set for life if we invest in this billion dollar goadie at Amaila Falls.

There was also an option for Brazil to build a huge hydro plant in Guyana and we were going to get the electricity free in Guyana with some of it sent to the Roraima region in Brazil. Only drawback, no drawback for the PPP so they never pursued it. 

@Former Member posted:

Indeed Django ... indeed ---

However, with the start of construction of this major project; hopefully in a few years from now; major industries will develop because of the reliable source of energy plus there will be a much stable source of energy for local/consumer purposes.

Rehabilitation of the Tumatumari hydroelectric power station plus the continued construction of small/mini hydropower plants will provide a more stable source of energy to the local communities in the interior.

An Industrial Park will have to created at a feasible area for manufacturing ,also the people have to educated for employment .Competition is high in manufacturing around the world ,so studies will have to be carried out. One good venture is manufacturing of of silicon panels.

Silica Sands are exported  https://www.facebook.com/guyana.silica.sand/

@Mars posted:

Natural gas is readily available from the offshore oil extraction. It may be a lot cheaper to bring it onshore rather than spending a billion dollars on hydroelectricity and only getting 165 MW output. For that amount of power generation, most countries were paying less than half a billion dollars. PPP bais will be set for life if we invest in this billion dollar goadie at Amaila Falls.

There was also an option for Brazil to build a huge plant in Guyana and we going to get the electricity free in Guyana. Only drawback, no drawback for the PPP so they never pursued it. 

Mars, You are more intelligent than that. The monies were for more than just the Power station.  It included the access roads and power lines and other infrastructure.  Some of this will be needed anyway regardless and the access roads will open up lands for settlement.

@Django posted:

An Industrial Park will have to created at a feasible area for manufacturing ,also the people have to educated for employment .Competition is high in manufacturing around the world ,so studies will have to be carried out. One good venture is manufacturing of of silicon panels.

Silica Sands are exported  https://www.facebook.com/guyana.silica.sand/

Django ...

Indeed on silicon panels and like other countries studies are worthwhile.

We need to see how issues will develop for hydroelectric projects.

There are a number of proposals/studies for local and other countries like Brazil to be involved in this area.

@Former Member posted:

Django ...

Indeed on silicon panels and like other countries studies are worthwhile.

We need to see how issues will develop for hydroelectric projects.

There are a number of proposals/studies for local and other countries like Brazil to be involved in this area.

The Government of Guyana should partner with Brazil to develop hydro ,they are experienced with hydro system.

The Chinese control solar patents.  They bought up the solar patents in the early 1980s when Ronald Reagan rip up the solar panels on the white house roof that was installed by Carter.  Everyone started abandoning solar for fossil fuel and solar companies went bankrupt.  The Chinese quickly bought up American solar energy patents from the bankrupt American solar companies for next to nothing.  Now a Chinese company called Canadian Solar is the world's largest solar panel maker.

@Django posted:

The Government of Guyana should partner with Brazil to develop hydro ,they are experienced with hydro system.

There were proposals by Brazil when the PPP/C was the government prior to 2015.

Hopefully, those proposals may be pursued now.

Basically, the proposal was for Brazil to develop the project, energy will be provided to Brazil and Guyana will be provided with the needed energy.

@Former Member posted:

There were proposals by Brazil when the PPP/C was the government prior to 2015.

Hopefully, those proposals may be pursued now.

Basically, the proposal was for Brazil to develop the project, energy will be provided to Brazil and Guyana will be provided with the needed energy.

I remembered the proposal .

The Amelia Falls project is a decision for the PPP and not the media or GNI. We cannot allow millions of dollars to go down the drain as the PNC did.   Solar energy will also be considered, given time.  We cannot do everything in a week.

@Django posted:

I remembered the proposal .

Yall two missed that in Mars post nuh, especially the reason the proposal was tossed out.

@Former Member posted:

Mars, You are more intelligent than that. The monies were for more than just the Power station.  It included the access roads and power lines and other infrastructure.  Some of this will be needed anyway regardless and the access roads will open up lands for settlement.

Every country has infrastructure they have to build when developing a hydro plant. What makes you think that Guyana is unique in this manner? Yet, a measly 165 MW plant is coming in at a billion dollars in Guyana when everyone else is paying less than half a billion for a plant of that size. That is not value for money except for Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves. The mere fact that a Puja shop owner owned the rights to build a billion dollar hydro project in Guyana should be a huge red flag right up front. The man walked away with millions after building a road to nowhere and selling the project rights to Sithe. At least the Guy from Demerara had engineering experience building latrines. This Puja shop clown was selling saris and incense and then trying to build a hydro dam. Explore the natural gas or the Brazil options. It makes a lot more sense than dropping a billion dollar goadie on Guyanese to repay for the next forty years. Somehow, I think Ali Baba will revive the Amaila project because there is a lot of soup to share with the Forty.  

How much does a hydropower system cost to build?

Source - Renewables First - https://www.renewablesfirst.co...stems-cost-to-build/

It’s quite difficult to make generalisations about the cost to build hydro systems because of the different combinations of head (the change in water levels between the intake and discharge) and maximum flow rate, and how that affects the maximum power output and choice of turbine type.

Also the extent of any civil engineering works is very site dependent, with some new-build sites requiring everything to be built from scratch, while other retrofit projects can make use of and adapt the existing civil engineering structures.

Having said that, we’ll try to answer the question anyway to give you an idea of the ‘scale’ of costs involved. The table below is a rough ball-park estimate of typical project costs for systems requiring an ‘average’ amount of civil engineering works and grid connection upgrades and assuming access to the site was reasonable. In all cases it is assumed that good quality hardware is used throughout, which we would recommend anyway if you want a reliable hydro system in the long-term.

It is possible to install systems for a lower cost, particularly if the existing infrastructure at the site lends itself to easy adaption for a modern hydropower system so only modest or no civil engineering works would be needed. However even in the most favourable circumstances it is unlikely that the cost would reduce by more than 50% from that shown in the table.

To estimate the cost to build hydro systems for a maximum power output between the bands shown, use the chart below and read-off the appropriate £/kW figure – for example a 130 kW hydro system would be approximately
130kW x 4,800 £/kW = £624,000.

You’ll notice that very small hydropower systems are disproportionately expensive, and this is because hydro projects of any size have to include a substantial fixed-cost element at the design and consenting stages, and to a slightly lesser degree during the installation stage. This is why we generally advise people that to get an economically-viable hydropower system the maximum power output will have to be at least 25 kW, and preferably at least 50 kW. Smaller systems can make sense, particularly at sites with higher heads or if other intangible benefits, such as sustainability, environmental protection or publicity, are valued as much as return on investment.

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In a few years, the PPP will be able to pay for Hydro and solar panels. There is no need to involve other countries in the ventures. This will never happen under the PNC.

@Ramakant-P posted:

In a few years, the PPP will be able to pay for Hydro and solar panels. There is no need to involve other countries in the ventures. This will never happen under the PNC.

Will never happen under the PPP. Keep on dreaming.

@Mitwah posted:

Will never happen under the PPP. Keep on dreaming.

If you think that the PNC can develop Guyana, then you are the dreamer.

You will live to see how Guyana develop under the PPP. It started already.

Just take a look at their manifesto and you will be surprised what they are going to do for all Guyana.

@Ramakant-P posted:

If you think that the PNC can develop Guyana, then you are the dreamer.

You will live to see how Guyana develop under the PPP. It started already.

Just take a look at their manifesto and you will be surprised what they are going to do for all Guyana.

Look at how they underdeveloped Guyana during their 23 years.

Here is the PPP record after 23 years:

# Failed education system with illiteracy was on the rise.

# Broken health care system

# Highest infant/mother mortality rate in the region

# Poorest country in the hemisphere

# Most corrupt country in the region

# Increased racial divisiveness within their  23 years - state sponsored

# Broken transportation system

# Broken electricity system - random and prolonged black outs

# Broken roadworks & bridges - crippling the movement of goods and people

# Broken water and sewage system - no and sometimes unsafe piped water

# Country was in state of dictatorship with the closure of parliament

# Rolling back of press freedoms with media being threatened

# Extra judicial killings and disappearances was on the rise

# State sponsored demoralizing of armed services

Both the PPP and PNC are bad news for developing Guyana. 

@Mitwah posted:

Look at how they developed Guyana during their 23 years. Both the PPP and PNC are bad news for developing Guyana. 

It's Prado all over again and foreign bank accounts. 

You should have visited Guyana during those days.  Look at all the projects that were completed under Jagdeo's watch. There was no missing money from the treasury during that time. So stop making up stories because nobody cares for your sarcasm and inuendos.  The PPP completed over 3500 projects. Deal with it.  They will do it again.  Look how they start to criticize the PPP for things they haven't done yet. Do you believe yourself?

@Ramakant-P posted:

You should have visited Guyana during those days.  Look at all the projects that were completed under Jagdeo's watch. There was no missing money from the treasury during that time. So stop making up stories because nobody cares for your sarcasm and inuendos.  The PPP completed over 3500 projects. Deal with it.  They will do it again.  Look how they start to criticize the PPP for things they haven't done yet. Do you believe yourself?

3500 Projects? You got to be drunk this early morning. Look at their record after 23 years. 

@Mitwah posted:

3500 Projects? You got to be drunk this early morning. Look at their record after 23 years. 

I did.  I posted the record on this forum already.   I repeated this info 100 times.  How come you only see it now.  Take the rose coloured glasses from your eyes and stop following the AFC. They are dummies.  

Jagdeo is a genius.

@Ramakant-P posted:

Jagdeo is a genius.

To stupid people so is trump, so don't go there.

@cain posted:

To stupid people so is trump, so don't go there.

Trump had to be smart to win the Presidency of the USA. Compare to Burnham, Hoyte, and Granger, Jagdeo is a genius.

@Ramakant-P posted:

Trump had to be smart to win the Presidency of the USA. Compare to Burnham, Hoyte, and Granger, Jagdeo is a genius.

It was stupid people who voted a stupid man in, nothing to do with idiotman being smart.  If it wasn't for his dad making rich by corrupt means that fool would now be sleeping in the streets.

@Ramakant-P posted:

Trump had to be smart to win the Presidency of the USA. Compare to Burnham, Hoyte, and Granger, Jagdeo is a genius.

If Jagdeo is a genius, then a bunch of uneducated followers voted for his PPP and make him look that way.  

@Ramakant-P posted:

I did.  I posted the record on this forum already.   I repeated this info 100 times.  How come you only see it now.  Take the rose coloured glasses from your eyes and stop following the AFC. They are dummies.  

Jagdeo is a genius.

Bai Rama. You put good lash on dem AFC PNC goadie crew. 

You hit dem for six. 

@Tola posted:

If Jagdeo is a genius, then a bunch of uneducated followers voted for his PPP and make him look that way.  

Good thing PPP won. Kuile crabdawg like you will be put on suicide watch. 

@Former Member posted:

Bai Rama. You put good lash on dem AFC PNC goadie crew. 

You hit dem for six. 

Rama cant even lash a magga dag.