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Gov’t will approach review of estimates in good faith

 

…and hopes Opposition will see the merits of Budget 2014
FINANCE Minister, Dr. Ashni Singh, was fired up as he delivered the final presentation in the 2014 Budget debates in the National Assembly, last night.And in one fell swoop debunked the major criticisms of the national estimates, cleverly using the Opposition Leader’s own quip, ‘Is the same old PPP/C (Peoples’ Progressive Party/Civic’, against theDSC_0482Opposition, with the APNU taking the brunt of the thrashing.
Singh acknowledged the remark from A Partnership for National Unity Leader, David Granger, and pointed out that there is “no shame” in being the same old PPP/C, when one considers the massive successes and national advances made under the current Administration.
He said, “It is the PPP/C that believes in and practises democracy, and in this regard, we will be the same old same old PPP/C. It is the PPP/C that has always stood with the people of Guyana; and in this regard we will be the same old PPP/C…we have nothing to be ashamed of. Our track record is something we can be proud of.”
Singh pointed out that unlike the Opposition, the ruling party did not have to change its name from the People’s National Congress (PNC) to APNU to “deceive” the Guyanese people.
“You can change name…you can change your shirt, your time….at the end of the day, it is same old PNC…for the PNC‘same old’ is something to be ashamed of because of a disgraceful and outrageous legacy and the trauma that was wrought on Guyana,” he said.
SAME OLD PNC
According to him, the House does not have far to look to see the “same old PNC” as the evidence is clear and visible.
He referenced the fact that Shadow Finance Minister Carl Greenidge yesterday circulated copies of correspondence between him and Singh, but failed to circulate the complete correspondence.
The Finance Minister told the House that the correspondences stopped at November 18, 2013, when, as recently as January 24, 2014, the Opposition parties were invited again to consult on the national budget.
At this comment, Greenidge left the Parliament Chambers and his exit was followed by heckles of ‘Run, Carl, run’.
Singh said, “I don’t know why he (Greenidge) did not share complete sequence of correspondences…it is the ‘same old PNC’, Singh said, citing the known use of selective recollection and explanations of the reality.
The Finance Minister had also previously explained that his e-mail dated January 13, 2014, indicated Government’s invitation to meet on Budget 2014 and requested that the Opposition suggest a date.
The e-mail was also copied to AFC Leader Khemraj Ramjattan, Leader of A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) David Granger, Lance Carberry, Dr. Roger Luncheon, and Gail Teixeira. The e-mail also contained copies of documents to be discussed.
Further, in February 2014, there was still no response from the Parliamentary Opposition parties to government’s invitation to participate in pre-budget consultations.
MISREPRESENTATIONS
Singh went on to focus on a notable “pattern of debating” where, instead of proffering alternatives how better can be done, nothing was forthcoming from the Opposition benches, save for some instances, including APNU Member of Parliament, Karen Cummings.
He said, “For the most part, instead, we got a series of misrepresentations and even more unfortunately there was resort to insults….we see emerging now what appears to be an asymmetric entitlement to criticise. When the Opposition criticise, they are holding us accountable, irrespective of cacophony, they are holding us accountable.
“However, when we criticise, it is arrogance and cuss out…this is unfortunate.”
Singh stressed that the Opposition does not enjoy the sole right to criticise, rather they too have a responsibility to be accountable to their constituents and factual and truthful in all their representations.
He stated that APNU front-bencher, Basil Williams, made this clear on Monday night when he stated that of 182 countries, Guyana ranks fifth from the bottom on the Human Development Index.
“I was astonished and worried that I had read the wrong report….but the fact is, the 2013 Human Development Report says that of 186 countries listed, Guyana is 118. Last I checked 186 minus 118 is not five. Stop misleading the people of Guyana…stop misrepresenting the facts to the people of Guyana,” Singh stressed emphatically.
Williams rose to object to the statement and some chaos ensued before the Speaker of the House, Raphael Trotman, interjected to ask that the Finance Minister continue.
Singh returned that there is a simple way to characterise this discovery of misrepresentation, “same old PNC” – a comment that evoked smirks and evident approval from his colleague MPs on the Government side.
The Finance Minister said, “The dilemma is that throughout the debate we have been regaled with such representations; and when misrepresentations were not at hand, resort was made to insults and invectives.”
INSULTS
On that note, Singh vehemently rejected the negative characterisation of the Finance Ministry’s staffers as “tired” during his presentation in the debates.
APNU MP, Joseph Harmon, had said, “My colleagues, let’s face it. Dr. Singh and his team are tired and they have produced an uninspiring Budget, so uninspiring that the Honourable Minister himself, in his presentation, seemed to have been infected by the tiredness of his team….give it up Ashni, find another job.”
The Minister noted that the reference to him is not as objectionable as the reference to “hardworking” young professionals who work in service of Guyana and the Guyanese people.
He said, “No public servant should be insulted in this manner in this House…Mr. Granger is not one to call names, but it seems that Mr. Granger has signed up for ‘Same old PNC, intimidating and insulting public servants…I condemn this.”
According to him, this crossing of boundaries and abandonment of principles by the Opposition in unleashing insults against hardworking Guyanese demonstrates their “hunger for power” and indicate what they will do, as the “same old PNC” would do.
Singh made it clear that long after he left the post of Finance Minister, the economic policies of the current Administration will remain intact.
“Long after me, the same old PPP/C will be standing…long after me they will still be on this side of the House,” he said.
SAME PROMISES
Addressing the issue of policies, the Finance Minister stated that a look at the three manifestos will reveal similar platforms and he said the government is well on its way to deliver on all of its promises.
He lamented that despite the similarities, the contention of the Opposition is that there is nothing good in the 2014 Budget.
Singh said, “If you look at their manifestos, they promised things themselves that we have delivered…we are delivering on our promises and yours…they won’t acknowledge this, why, it’s the ‘Same of PNC’.”
Regardless, he maintained that the people will not be hoodwinked by a new face, as the APNU remains the ‘same old PNC’.
The success has come, Singh said, despite the challenges, particularly with the current dispensation of the National Assembly, with the one-seat majority.
However, the minister said, government has not failed to deliver, primarily because it is a “listening and caring” Government.
On the issue of delivering on promises, Singh underscored the need for leaders, responsible leaders, to not create unrealistic expectations in the minds of the Guyanese people.
He said, “A responsible leader must not create an impression in the minds of our people that the State will solve all your problems…citizens have a responsibility…any leader who does different is creating an unrealistic expectation in the minds of his people.”
The minister reasoned that such acts can be termed irresponsible because that irresponsible leader is not the one that has to deliver on those unrealistic expectations.
He said, “Greenidge has experience with bankrupt economies, but this PPP/C Government will never bankrupt Guyana…we will never sacrifice success at the altar of political expediency.
“…responsible leadership requires us to be frank and honest with our people…the Opposition is far removed from frankness and honestly with the people.”
Singh sated that the current Administration, in vast contrast, will have the interest of the people in focus today, tomorrow and one generation from today.
RIGHT DIRECTION
The move in the right direction, he added, is the ultimate test of sound policies.
Singh said, “All of us would like to see more done more quickly and better, but to say that nothing has happened is wrong…if one were to examine the responsibility with which we have discharged our stewardship of economy and Guyana, the facts speak for themselves.”
The minister pointed to economic growth, increase in annual sector allocations, human resource development.
“This is impact,” he said, “Every indicator you look at tells the same story.”
According to him, Budget 2014 is the latest installment of the country’s advance,
“This government has demonstrated a track record of taking Guyana in the right direction,” he said.
To this end, he called for the Opposition to not stymie development by ignoring the enormous benefits of the Amaila Falls Hydropower project and putting Guyana at risk of international blacklisting by not passing the critically important Anti-Money Laundering and Countering the Financing of Terrorism (AML/CFT) Bill.
“No responsible leader would do this,” Singh said.
PARTISAN POLITICS
The Finance Minister stressed the need for MPs to put the needs and interests of the Guyanese people above partisan politics.
He said, “I hope we can rise above brandishing the scissors …I am not asking a favour, I have no apology to ask for the interest of the people….you may feel you are doing the Guyanese people a favour, but they are not asking for favours, we are servants of the people.
“…the people are saying ‘We are tired of the same old PNC’.”
According to him, Government will approach the review of the 2014 Estimates in good faith and will subject it to as intense scrutiny as the Opposition requires.
He said, “We have no problem to answer questions…we have never shied away from answering questions…we will subject estimates to ultimate degree of scrutiny and hope when this is done, the Opposition will see merit in the proposals contained and vote in favour of this year’s budget.”
The review of the 2014 Budgetary allocations begins today and the National Assembly resolves itself into the Parliamentary Committee of Supply.
By Vanessa Narine

 

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Originally Posted by Conscience:

Gov’t will approach review of estimates in good faith

 

…and hopes Opposition will see the merits of Budget 2014
FINANCE Minister, Dr. Ashni Singh, was fired up as he delivered the final presentation in the 2014 Budget debates in the National Assembly, last night.And in one fell swoop debunked the major criticisms of the national estimates, cleverly using the Opposition Leader’s own quip, ‘Is the same old PPP/C (Peoples’ Progressive Party/Civic’, against theDSC_0482Opposition, with the APNU taking the brunt of the thrashing.
Singh acknowledged the remark from A Partnership for National Unity Leader, David Granger, and pointed out that there is “no shame” in being the same old PPP/C, when one considers the massive successes and national advances made under the current Administration.
He said, “It is the PPP/C that believes in and practises democracy, and in this regard, we will be the same old same old PPP/C. It is the PPP/C that has always stood with the people of Guyana; and in this regard we will be the same old PPP/C…we have nothing to be ashamed of. Our track record is something we can be proud of.”
Singh pointed out that unlike the Opposition, the ruling party did not have to change its name from the People’s National Congress (PNC) to APNU to “deceive” the Guyanese people.
“You can change name…you can change your shirt, your time….at the end of the day, it is same old PNC…for the PNC‘same old’ is something to be ashamed of because of a disgraceful and outrageous legacy and the trauma that was wrought on Guyana,” he said.
SAME OLD PNC
According to him, the House does not have far to look to see the “same old PNC” as the evidence is clear and visible.
He referenced the fact that Shadow Finance Minister Carl Greenidge yesterday circulated copies of correspondence between him and Singh, but failed to circulate the complete correspondence.
The Finance Minister told the House that the correspondences stopped at November 18, 2013, when, as recently as January 24, 2014, the Opposition parties were invited again to consult on the national budget.
At this comment, Greenidge left the Parliament Chambers and his exit was followed by heckles of ‘Run, Carl, run’.
Singh said, “I don’t know why he (Greenidge) did not share complete sequence of correspondences…it is the ‘same old PNC’, Singh said, citing the known use of selective recollection and explanations of the reality.
The Finance Minister had also previously explained that his e-mail dated January 13, 2014, indicated Government’s invitation to meet on Budget 2014 and requested that the Opposition suggest a date.
The e-mail was also copied to AFC Leader Khemraj Ramjattan, Leader of A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) David Granger, Lance Carberry, Dr. Roger Luncheon, and Gail Teixeira. The e-mail also contained copies of documents to be discussed.
Further, in February 2014, there was still no response from the Parliamentary Opposition parties to government’s invitation to participate in pre-budget consultations.
MISREPRESENTATIONS
Singh went on to focus on a notable “pattern of debating” where, instead of proffering alternatives how better can be done, nothing was forthcoming from the Opposition benches, save for some instances, including APNU Member of Parliament, Karen Cummings.
He said, “For the most part, instead, we got a series of misrepresentations and even more unfortunately there was resort to insults….we see emerging now what appears to be an asymmetric entitlement to criticise. When the Opposition criticise, they are holding us accountable, irrespective of cacophony, they are holding us accountable.
“However, when we criticise, it is arrogance and cuss out…this is unfortunate.”
Singh stressed that the Opposition does not enjoy the sole right to criticise, rather they too have a responsibility to be accountable to their constituents and factual and truthful in all their representations.
He stated that APNU front-bencher, Basil Williams, made this clear on Monday night when he stated that of 182 countries, Guyana ranks fifth from the bottom on the Human Development Index.
“I was astonished and worried that I had read the wrong report….but the fact is, the 2013 Human Development Report says that of 186 countries listed, Guyana is 118. Last I checked 186 minus 118 is not five. Stop misleading the people of Guyana…stop misrepresenting the facts to the people of Guyana,” Singh stressed emphatically.
Williams rose to object to the statement and some chaos ensued before the Speaker of the House, Raphael Trotman, interjected to ask that the Finance Minister continue.
Singh returned that there is a simple way to characterise this discovery of misrepresentation, “same old PNC” – a comment that evoked smirks and evident approval from his colleague MPs on the Government side.
The Finance Minister said, “The dilemma is that throughout the debate we have been regaled with such representations; and when misrepresentations were not at hand, resort was made to insults and invectives.”
INSULTS
On that note, Singh vehemently rejected the negative characterisation of the Finance Ministry’s staffers as “tired” during his presentation in the debates.
APNU MP, Joseph Harmon, had said, “My colleagues, let’s face it. Dr. Singh and his team are tired and they have produced an uninspiring Budget, so uninspiring that the Honourable Minister himself, in his presentation, seemed to have been infected by the tiredness of his team….give it up Ashni, find another job.”
The Minister noted that the reference to him is not as objectionable as the reference to “hardworking” young professionals who work in service of Guyana and the Guyanese people.
He said, “No public servant should be insulted in this manner in this House…Mr. Granger is not one to call names, but it seems that Mr. Granger has signed up for ‘Same old PNC, intimidating and insulting public servants…I condemn this.”
According to him, this crossing of boundaries and abandonment of principles by the Opposition in unleashing insults against hardworking Guyanese demonstrates their “hunger for power” and indicate what they will do, as the “same old PNC” would do.
Singh made it clear that long after he left the post of Finance Minister, the economic policies of the current Administration will remain intact.
“Long after me, the same old PPP/C will be standing…long after me they will still be on this side of the House,” he said.
SAME PROMISES
Addressing the issue of policies, the Finance Minister stated that a look at the three manifestos will reveal similar platforms and he said the government is well on its way to deliver on all of its promises.
He lamented that despite the similarities, the contention of the Opposition is that there is nothing good in the 2014 Budget.
Singh said, “If you look at their manifestos, they promised things themselves that we have delivered…we are delivering on our promises and yours…they won’t acknowledge this, why, it’s the ‘Same of PNC’.”
Regardless, he maintained that the people will not be hoodwinked by a new face, as the APNU remains the ‘same old PNC’.
The success has come, Singh said, despite the challenges, particularly with the current dispensation of the National Assembly, with the one-seat majority.
However, the minister said, government has not failed to deliver, primarily because it is a “listening and caring” Government.
On the issue of delivering on promises, Singh underscored the need for leaders, responsible leaders, to not create unrealistic expectations in the minds of the Guyanese people.
He said, “A responsible leader must not create an impression in the minds of our people that the State will solve all your problems…citizens have a responsibility…any leader who does different is creating an unrealistic expectation in the minds of his people.”
The minister reasoned that such acts can be termed irresponsible because that irresponsible leader is not the one that has to deliver on those unrealistic expectations.
He said, “Greenidge has experience with bankrupt economies, but this PPP/C Government will never bankrupt Guyana…we will never sacrifice success at the altar of political expediency.
“…responsible leadership requires us to be frank and honest with our people…the Opposition is far removed from frankness and honestly with the people.”
Singh sated that the current Administration, in vast contrast, will have the interest of the people in focus today, tomorrow and one generation from today.
RIGHT DIRECTION
The move in the right direction, he added, is the ultimate test of sound policies.
Singh said, “All of us would like to see more done more quickly and better, but to say that nothing has happened is wrong…if one were to examine the responsibility with which we have discharged our stewardship of economy and Guyana, the facts speak for themselves.”
The minister pointed to economic growth, increase in annual sector allocations, human resource development.
“This is impact,” he said, “Every indicator you look at tells the same story.”
According to him, Budget 2014 is the latest installment of the country’s advance,
“This government has demonstrated a track record of taking Guyana in the right direction,” he said.
To this end, he called for the Opposition to not stymie development by ignoring the enormous benefits of the Amaila Falls Hydropower project and putting Guyana at risk of international blacklisting by not passing the critically important Anti-Money Laundering and Countering the Financing of Terrorism (AML/CFT) Bill.
“No responsible leader would do this,” Singh said.
PARTISAN POLITICS
The Finance Minister stressed the need for MPs to put the needs and interests of the Guyanese people above partisan politics.
He said, “I hope we can rise above brandishing the scissors …I am not asking a favour, I have no apology to ask for the interest of the people….you may feel you are doing the Guyanese people a favour, but they are not asking for favours, we are servants of the people.
“…the people are saying ‘We are tired of the same old PNC’.”
According to him, Government will approach the review of the 2014 Estimates in good faith and will subject it to as intense scrutiny as the Opposition requires.
He said, “We have no problem to answer questions…we have never shied away from answering questions…we will subject estimates to ultimate degree of scrutiny and hope when this is done, the Opposition will see merit in the proposals contained and vote in favour of this year’s budget.”
The review of the 2014 Budgetary allocations begins today and the National Assembly resolves itself into the Parliamentary Committee of Supply.
By Vanessa Narine

 

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ppp propaganda machine

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

The Chief justice ruled that the joint opposition has no power to CUT the national budget, if they proceed to do such it would be unconstitutional.

let me see if this make sence and just remember i am not too smart,if the opposition have no say in the budget then why take it to parlament why not just hold a press conference in freedum house and tell the nation what you will do with their money 

FM

The are right it is with good faith; their faith that they are the gods of our destiny. They have had their propagandists label the budged, patriotic, and those who would dare disapprove of any of its dictum, treasonous.

 

It was called of the People but we know it stands on the constitutional interpretation it is the Finance ministers budged and on that account the assembly cannot touch ( since then it cannot be deemed of the minister).

 

As I stated earlier, it was not long before we are told it was dictated by the archangel Gabriel and Ashne is his prophet. No wonder the are now the final arbiter of good faith is the PPP.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

The are right it is with good faith; their faith that they are the gods of our destiny. They have had their propagandists label the budged, patriotic, and those who would dare disapprove of any of its dictum, treasonous.

 

It was called of the People but we know it stands on the constitutional interpretation it is the Finance ministers budged and on that account the assembly cannot touch ( since then it cannot be deemed of the minister).

 

As I stated earlier, it was not long before we are told it was dictated by the archangel Gabriel and Ashne is his prophet. No wonder the are now the final arbiter of good faith is the PPP.

i still do not get it if the opposition have no say in the budget why take it to parlament

FM

The joint opposition did not take up the offer to be part of the budget consultations since last year, thus they can either approve or disapprove the budget. Doing the latter would result in snap elections.

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

The joint opposition did not take up the offer to be part of the budget consultations since last year, thus they can either approve or disapprove the budget. Doing the latter would result in snap elections.

so lets cut the bullshit and have snap election

FM
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

The are right it is with good faith; their faith that they are the gods of our destiny. They have had their propagandists label the budged, patriotic, and those who would dare disapprove of any of its dictum, treasonous.

 

It was called of the People but we know it stands on the constitutional interpretation it is the Finance ministers budged and on that account the assembly cannot touch ( since then it cannot be deemed of the minister).

 

As I stated earlier, it was not long before we are told it was dictated by the archangel Gabriel and Ashne is his prophet. No wonder the are now the final arbiter of good faith is the PPP.

i still do not get it if the opposition have no say in the budget why take it to parlament

The bizarre interpretation here is only valid in the corrupt minds of the PPP moochers. The state to them is a prize and where else is the worth of this prize expressed if not in absolute control of the budget. The PPP objects to every democratic checks and balances in the society. They see themselves as the rightful inheritors of the state. It is on that account the do not see their autocratic authority as absolute expressions of power. It is why they clam,or that others simply want power whenever they object. That others can have valid input is seen as treasonous.

 

This ruling is ass backward. The minister formulates a budget on behalf of the people and not for his own personal needs. He does not possess the plan but is the planner. Since he is also not god he will make mistake. The assembly which is also of the people should have input. Could you imagine what would happen in the US if Obama decides no one can cut his budget? Actually, obama simply suggest a budget. It is formulated in the congress by members of the people's assembly.

FM

The PPP/C seems the most prepared in the event of any snap elections, the joint opposition would not dare put their razor thin "majority" at risk. They are no fools and are cognizant that the PPP/C was a victim of their success at the 2011 polls, and complacency on the PPP/C part also contributed to the outcome. As the debate concludes its clear to see the joint opposition could never justify if they go ahead with their intended unconstitutional budget cuts.

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

The PPP/C seems the most prepared in the event of any snap elections, the joint opposition would not dare put their razor thin "majority" at risk. They are no fools and are cognizant that the PPP/C was a victim of their success at the 2011 polls, and complacency on the PPP/C part also contributed to the outcome. As the debate concludes its clear to see the joint opposition could never justify if they go ahead with their intended unconstitutional budget cuts.

Dude, a razor thin majority is paralleled by the PPP being the minority. Were it not for the dictators constitution that majority would have formed the government.

 

The only thing the PPP was a victim of in the last election was their rapacious fleecing of the treasury.

FM

If the joint opposition were convinced that they can win an election by a landslide they would have voted down the entire budget, thus forcing the state to call snap elections. As we drift further and further away from the 2011 polls the Guyanese populace are becoming more cognizant of the sinister motives of the joint opposition.

FM

Quote "Gov’t will approach review of estimates in good faith"unquote

 

 

I would expect that they should raise the Income tax threshold and Pensions for the poor, that will be a start. 

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

If the joint opposition were convinced that they can win an election by a landslide they would have voted down the entire budget, thus forcing the state to call snap elections. As we drift further and further away from the 2011 polls the Guyanese populace are becoming more cognizant of the sinister motives of the joint opposition.

Again go tell that lie elsewhere. The President alone is empowered to dissolve parliament.

 

And what kind of ass backward logic the PPP has you dunces formulating here? The assembly is not allowed to cut line items in the budget since that is unconstitutional per the judges ruling. They can only reject it whole cloth if they disagree even with a minor part of it.

 

Now you tell us if the reject it they will threaten new elections! get real. We do not agree to elected dictatorship on removing a self appointed one. We are supposed to be a transitional democracy!

FM
Originally Posted by asj:

Quote "Gov’t will approach review of estimates in good faith"unquote

 

 

I would expect that they should raise the Income tax threshold and Pensions for the poor, that will be a start. 

 

 

They should do that and at the same time be firm with the tax cheaters. Make an example of some of them.

FM

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