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Gilbakka posted:

This man is bare faced. He as adjudicator of wrongs is almost cynical. In his regime we saw all sorts of crooked business done and no one could even question. They never give any answer from simple things much less the big ones. In their era we saw the transfer of vast portions of the nations assets to friends and family with no explanation given. One Chinese man controlled more land than all the tribes. NICIL was a black hole.  RK got cow island, Beharry got crab island, Buddy and BK and ED Ahmad got land for schemes, a  former GUYSUCO manager got one of th e largest ranch, PPP MPz got sea side dachas and the list goes on. This bastard should be in jail were it not for the powers he awarded himself against indictment.  He is a crook at Papa Doc stature. 

FM
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D2 posted:
ksazma posted:

I agree. President was correct as to where the buck stops. People still mistakenly think that Granger is from the manger so they are reluctant to blame him.

Granger is a saint compared to that brazen crook.

Perhaps. But he still needs to be held responsible for his actions or inactions as president the past 3+ years. Not for Jagdeo's sake but for the people of Guyana's.

FM
ksazma posted:
D2 posted:
ksazma posted:

I agree. President was correct as to where the buck stops. People still mistakenly think that Granger is from the manger so they are reluctant to blame him.

Granger is a saint compared to that brazen crook.

Perhaps. But he still needs to be held responsible for his actions or inactions as president the past 3+ years. Not for Jagdeo's sake but for the people of Guyana's.

Typical for you. Let Jagdeo run around with crimes that you even admit were likely worse than Granger.

It runs against your nature for an Indo gov't to be held to the same standards that you demand of an Afro gov't.

FM
D2 posted:
ksazma posted:

I agree. President was correct as to where the buck stops. People still mistakenly think that Granger is from the manger so they are reluctant to blame him.

Granger is a saint compared to that brazen crook.

You call a man saint who has BLOOD on his hand... unbelievable 

Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973

FM
Dave posted:
D2 posted:
ksazma posted:

I agree. President was correct as to where the buck stops. People still mistakenly think that Granger is from the manger so they are reluctant to blame him.

Granger is a saint compared to that brazen crook.

You call a man saint who has BLOOD on his hand... unbelievable 

Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973

And Jagdeo killed 400 black men.

FM
caribny posted:
Dave posted:
D2 posted:
ksazma posted:

I agree. President was correct as to where the buck stops. People still mistakenly think that Granger is from the manger so they are reluctant to blame him.

Granger is a saint compared to that brazen crook.

You call a man saint who has BLOOD on his hand... unbelievable 

Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973

And Jagdeo killed 400 black men.

How many innocent Indians Granger killed, more than 400. Granger is the president with INDIAN BLOOD all over his body.

K
caribny posted:
Dave posted:
D2 posted:
ksazma posted:

I agree. President was correct as to where the buck stops. People still mistakenly think that Granger is from the manger so they are reluctant to blame him.

Granger is a saint compared to that brazen crook.

You call a man saint who has BLOOD on his hand... unbelievable 

Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973

And Jagdeo killed 400 black men.

Where is the evidence “black heart “

Why did Granger refuse Jagdeo demand for  a commission of enquire - Jagdeo went so far to the National Assembly and they don’t give a FK .. cause the truth will be embarrassing for blacks so call leader. 

FM
D2 posted:

This man is bare faced. He as adjudicator of wrongs is almost cynical. In his regime we saw all sorts of crooked business done and no one could even question. They never give any answer from simple things much less the big ones. In their era we saw the transfer of vast portions of the nations assets to friends and family with no explanation given. One Chinese man controlled more land than all the tribes. NICIL was a black hole.  RK got cow island, Beharry got crab island, Buddy and BK and ED Ahmad got land for schemes, a  former GUYSUCO manager got one of th e largest ranch, PPP MPz got sea side dachas and the list goes on. This bastard should be in jail were it not for the powers he awarded himself against indictment.  He is a crook at Papa Doc stature. 

Assuming this is true, why is it that SARU under Clive Thomas is still unable to recover these lands that were "given away"? Maybe Granger should have hired you to head up SARU, you would have caught and jailed all them thiefman in the 1st year of the regime's rule. 

FM
Dave posted:
D2 posted:
ksazma posted:

I agree. President was correct as to where the buck stops. People still mistakenly think that Granger is from the manger so they are reluctant to blame him.

Granger is a saint compared to that brazen crook.

You call a man saint who has BLOOD on his hand... unbelievable 

Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973

http://www.gdf.mil.gy/index.ph...s/david-granger.html

David Granger retired from military service with the rank of a Brigadier in 1994 after serving as National Security Adviser to the President (1990-94) and as Commander of the GDF (1979-90).

During his military service, he held a variety of appointments including planning officer for the establishment of the Guyana National Service (1973-74) and the Guyana People’s Militia (1976-77).  He also led military delegations to Brazil, Cuba, Germany, Guinea, Korea, Somalia and Yugoslavia.

http://www.gdf.mil.gy/index.ph...al-joseph-singh.html

Major General Joseph Singh, MSS

Between 1966 and 1981, he commanded infantry troops at all levels – platoon, company, battalion and brigade, and in all terrain. He was involved in all major field operations in defence of Guyana’s territory. In addition, he held the appointments of OC Recce Platoon, Battalion Adjutant, and General Staff Officer Grade 2 and Grade 1, responsible for all Operations and Training in the Guyana Defence Force.

 

The more you repeat a LIE, the more people believe.

Dave, give us the details of Granger involvement with "shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973"

Just want to know the truth, provided are some info for you.

Django
Drugb posted:
D2 posted:

This man is bare faced. He as adjudicator of wrongs is almost cynical. In his regime we saw all sorts of crooked business done and no one could even question. They never give any answer from simple things much less the big ones. In their era we saw the transfer of vast portions of the nations assets to friends and family with no explanation given. One Chinese man controlled more land than all the tribes. NICIL was a black hole.  RK got cow island, Beharry got crab island, Buddy and BK and ED Ahmad got land for schemes, a  former GUYSUCO manager got one of th e largest ranch, PPP MPz got sea side dachas and the list goes on. This bastard should be in jail were it not for the powers he awarded himself against indictment.  He is a crook at Papa Doc stature. 

Assuming this is true, why is it that SARU under Clive Thomas is still unable to recover these lands that were "given away"? Maybe Granger should have hired you to head up SARU, you would have caught and jailed all them thiefman in the 1st year of the regime's rule. 

WATAK!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
D2 posted:
Gilbakka posted:

This man is bare faced. He as adjudicator of wrongs is almost cynical. In his regime we saw all sorts of crooked business done and no one could even question. They never give any answer from simple things much less the big ones. In their era we saw the transfer of vast portions of the nations assets to friends and family with no explanation given. One Chinese man controlled more land than all the tribes. NICIL was a black hole.  RK got cow island, Beharry got crab island, Buddy and BK and ED Ahmad got land for schemes, a  former GUYSUCO manager got one of th e largest ranch, PPP MPz got sea side dachas and the list goes on. This bastard should be in jail were it not for the powers he awarded himself against indictment.  He is a crook at Papa Doc stature. 

Are these facts or spaghetti?

FM
Dave posted:

Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973

Source? As critics of David Granger we must stand on firm ground when we accuse him of dirty involvement in the 1973 general elections. In 1973 Granger was Planning Officer for setting up what was to become a big paramilitary organization, National Service. He was not engaged in elections-related duties in Berbice. I read somewhere that he was in an African country observing its National Service.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Dave posted:

Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973

Source? As critics of David Granger we must stand on firm ground when we accuse him of dirty involvement in the 1973 general elections. In 1973 Granger was Planning Officer for setting up what was to become a big paramilitary organization, National Service. He was not engaged in elections-related duties in Berbice. I read somewhere that he was in an African country observing its National Service.

Back in 2011 when I confronted his nephew on this, he said his uncle was a young officer and not a decision-maker.  Basically, if he did, he just was following order.  

If he was in Africa, that would be the easiest/best explanation for his non-involvement. So stop the pathetic excuses!

FM
Baseman posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Dave posted:

Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973

Source? As critics of David Granger we must stand on firm ground when we accuse him of dirty involvement in the 1973 general elections. In 1973 Granger was Planning Officer for setting up what was to become a big paramilitary organization, National Service. He was not engaged in elections-related duties in Berbice. I read somewhere that he was in an African country observing its National Service.

Back in 2011 when I confronted his nephew on this, he said his uncle was a young officer and not a decision-maker.  Basically, if he did, he just was following order.  

If he was in Africa, that would be the easiest/best explanation for his non-involvement. So stop the pathetic excuses!

"Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973 "

So you believe Granger was involved in the above, he taken from his assignment to National Service and sent to Berbice ??

Django

By virtue of the key role he played in the education of soldiers, David Granger bears some responsibility for the ballot box killings

Dear Editor,

I write this note as Press and Publicity Officer to President Bharrat Jagdeo so that future records would not be distorted.

It is well known that President Jagdeo’s comments about David Granger were taken out of context.  A close examination of his comments would see that President Jagdeo suggested that since Granger was in the leadership of the army at that time he bears some responsibility for the horrific act of the ballot box martyrs.

I refer to Mr. Rishi Thakur’s letter in the SN,  â€œ We need to have the true story of what happened in Guyana for the next generation”. (10-14-11) Inter alia, Mr. Thakur claims President Jagdeo, “has no hesitation in accusing APNU’s Presidential candidate, Retired Brigadier David Granger of having blood on his hands over the death of two PPP activists at No. 64 Village Polling Station during the elections of 1973. Where is the evidence for the charge? Of course, none has been forthcoming because there is none.”  This has been the position taken by all the defenders of Granger.

However I submit the following:

After the April 1970 aborted army mutiny in T&T, Burnham rushed to subvert the GDF from a professional army into one subservient to himself.

He launched an Army “Education Corps” to explicitly drum in the new orientation of the army. From the very beginning David Granger was a member and leader in the Education Corps.

In Scarlet Beret Vol 1 #1 of 1971(p54) “Extracts from LFS Burnham’s address to officers and new recruits GDF Oct 26 1970.” Burnham declared the new ethos of the army:

“I do not share with the British the concept that the Army is separate and distinct from everything else and loyal to the government of the day.

As Prime Minister, I expect you to be loyal to this government. If there is any other government, it is a matter for you to decide about that, but as far as I am concerned I don’t want any abstract loyalty.”

“I have now arranged with the Chief of Staff that, in future, all recruits, apart from their military training, will also have to attend a course of lectures on the philosophy and ideology of the government and the Co-op Republic”.

In the same army magazine, (p72), Elvin Mc David, personal assistant to Burnham expanded on the army’s new role in November of 1970: “The Education Unit is the People’s institution in the People’s Army charged with the task of establishing complete understanding of the new role.

For it is to be successful it will mean that it has to receive the support of the whole army in a militant programme of political education of the people, regardless of whether it is in direct opposition groups whose roots are in traditional society and in whose interest it is to forestall the course of relevant development.”

We note the categorisation of the “direct opposition” (which meant the PPP in 1970) as having “roots” – meaning its core support base in the Indian community was “traditional” or in the context of the discussion, “backward”, and that their interest was “to forestall the course of relevant development”. This was the pernicious propaganda that was beaten into the heads of all recruits, ranks and officers of the GDF from 1971.

As George K. Danns, later a PNC candidate, pointed out ( “Domination and Power in Guyana,” p. 148)

“Reminiscent of the junior officer courses and other seminars held for police sometime later, courses were continuously held for both officers and enlisted ranks and government ministers, and other officials delivered lectures on the philosophy of the governmentâ€ĶThe political education was further reinforced by the officer corps who all belonged to the Social, Political, and Economic Council (SPEC) which was set up by Minister of Information Elvin Mc David as a body for doing “backroom research” for the PNC.

Mr Granger was a card-carrying and enthusiastic member of SPEC and in 1971 he was duly rewarded when the army command was shaken up to ensure the personal loyalty to Burnham was unquestioned. Col Clarence Price was promoted to brigadier and kicked upstairs as chief of staff and adviser to Burnham, where he was ignored. Nine other mid-level officers were neutralised. According to David Granger (in his “New Road”, 1976, p 42, by then the Education Officer of the GDF) the shake-up facilitated “far reaching structural changes which permitted greater flexibility and mobility”.  On account of his slavish loyalty to Burnham, the young Granger became a key resource to Burnham and earned upward “mobility”.

It is against this background of David Granger playing a key role in the “education” of the army from 1971 that he bears some responsibility for the killings of the two PPP supporters at # 63 during their protection of the ballot boxes in the now universally acknowledged rigged 1973 elections.

We quote the words of Granger himself (New Road, p 43-44): “â€Ķto forestall an obvious and overwhelming PNC victory, a campaign of violence and resistance was planned by the PPP.” History records that the only violence meted out during the 1973 elections was by the GDF.

Granger continued, “The GDF was called in to aid the Civil power and prevent a breakdown in law and order that was planned by the gangsters.”

For those that claim that the GDF operations in the 1973 elections were sanctioned from “top”, according to the Caribbean Contact (Nov 1977:p18) Brigadier Price claimed in the Guyana High Court “that he was ‘unaware’ of the army’s involvement in the July 1973 general elections and that he knew no authority for the GDF soldiers to take the ballot boxes to the army headquarters.”

But we return to the culpability of David Granger:

“The soldiers behaved splendidly in the face of provocation.” For soldiers to shoot two unarmed civilians protecting ballot boxes nothing is “splendid”.

And we arrive at the smoking gun: “The sound political education that the officers and soldiers received during 1971 and 1972 enabled them to act with tact, discretion and firmness in 1973 and saved the day.”

It was David Granger, more than anyone else in the army, that provided “the sound political education” that defined the PPP supporters as incorrigible enemies of the state and he is therefore responsible for the “firmness” that resulted in the loss of two innocent lives.

Yours faithfully,

Kwame Mc Coy  

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ww...ot-box-killings/amp/

 

What does Granger know, and when did he know it

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DR. WALTER ANTHONY RODNEY, prominent Guyanese historian, political activist and preeminent scholar was assassinated on  Friday June 13, 1980. This is an undisputed fact. From the evidence presented so far to the Rodney Commission of Inquiry -COI, it is evident that the PNC, led by Former President Forbes Burnham, planned and executed the assassination of Dr. Rodney. The bomb that killed Rodney was given to him by a member of the Guyana Defence Force -GDF, Sergeant Gregory Smith, aka Cyril Johnson, another undisputed fact.

During this period, Opposition Leader and Leader of the new collation PNC-APNU-AFC was a very senior ranking member of the GDF. David Granger was hand-picked by the late President and PNC Leader, Forbes Burnham to be his Political Liaison Officer. Given the connection and the level of trust, It is very likely that Granger would have known of Sgt. Gregory Smith’s activities through Burnham, and he could have been asked to facilitate his needs in order to accomplish the mission. After all, I doubt Sgt. Smith had the authority to requisition a walkie-talkie and explosive devices from GDF supplies without the approval of a senior GDF officer.
The Rodney Commission of Inquiry needs answers from Granger, and he’s not willing to do his civic duty as a public figure running for the office of the Presidency. The COI wants to find out what Granger knows about the Rodney assassination, and when he knew it, but Granger refuses to testify. What is Granger hiding from the Guyanese people, and more specifically, from the WPA that is part of his ANPU coalition.
According to PPP General Secretary, Minister Clement Rohee, Granger is “deliberately withholding important information from his constituents which could serve to incriminate him and his Party; and in the process, do further damage to his electoral ambitionsâ€Ķ Is it that he is afraid of the many skeletons in his closet that would be exposed and therefore destroy his presidential ambitions? Or is it a case of cold dismissal of the public demands for answers regarding his and his army’s role in the assassination of Dr. Walter Rodney?”
Rohee is right! This is a man that demands transparency and accountability from the Ramotar Administration. Yet the same does not apply to him. Is this what the Guyanese people can expect from another secretive PNC-APNU Administration?

I believe David Granger does have skeletons in his closet for there is evidence of this. Only a few years ago, former GDF Officer, Malcolm Harripaul, gave an insight of Granger mentality as Brigadier General -GDF. In his own words, Harripaul wrote (Stabroek News, Oct 2, 2010), “I remember well I once went to him (David Granger) with a problem. The credit union had for the second time turned down my application for a loan on the grounds that I did not have sufficient service, although they had twice given loans to another officer who had less service than me. I explained my case to Brig. Granger and he was visibly upset. He called the officer on the phone and calmly said, “I have young Harripaul in my office. Could you please bring me his cheque for the loan he applied for?” In less than 5 minutes the cheque was brought.”

Now let us examine the seriousness of this statement: Harripaul brags that after he complained to Granger about his loan request being turned down, Granger called the officer, and without asking the officer to justify his decision to deny Harripaul the loan, calmly ordered, “I have young Harripaul in my office. Could you please bring me his cheque for the loan he applied for?” Harripaul thought this to be sound management because he got his loan. The Loans Officer I am sure, thought differently. Add Granger’s management style as President to an incompetent Finance Minister Greenidge and what you’ll get is another bankrupt Guyana.
I have long called for David Granger to disclose his roll in the 1973 seizure of ballot boxes by the GDF, and he needs to come clean with the Guyanese people if he’s to be trusted with the Presidency. In his letter, Harripaul admitted what we’ve all known for decades: Acting under direct orders from the Commander-in-Chief, Linden Forbes Sampson Burnham, the Guyana Defense Force facilitated the fraudulent rigging of the 1973 National Elections with the seizure of ballot boxes, and the killing of PPP political observers. Why is this admission so important? Well, in addition to disrobing one of Granger’s skeletons, it was the first time that Burnham’s Political Liaison Officer, David Granger, admitted that the GDF helped Burnham to rig the 1973 election. Here again is Malcolm Harripaul in his own words (Stabroek News, March 4):
“Dr Jagan contested the 1973 elections knowing fully well that whether the elections were rigged or not, the USA would not have permitted him to take office. That was the geo political reality of 1973. Of course the PPP supporters did not know all of that. The PPP supporters were misled by Dr Jagan into believing that they could return him to power by elections if the elections were free and fair. Dr Jagan exhorted them to turn out en masse to vote, to surround the places of poll, to take control of the ballot boxes, and to block the roads. That gave Mr. Burnham the legitimate cause to deploy the GDF to protect and secure (his interest in rigging) the election process. A few PPP supporters were shot and killed at 64 Village, Corentyne. Mr. Burnham gave his party a landslide victory.”
Well, well! What a damning admission for a former GDF Officer to make. My problem with Harripaul is his acceptance of the justification of the rigging by the Burnham Administration and the GDF, and to blame the entire reason for the rigging on one of Guyana’s Founding Fathers, Dr. Cheddi Jagan.
If a junior officer, Malcomn Harripaul, knew the details of the rigging, it is inconceivable to think that David Granger may not have been one of the planners, and possibly the architect of this operation. After all, he was “fighting on the side of irreligion and untruth because he was fulfilling his duty to the Crown.”
And if he played no part in it, perhaps the PNC-APNU-AFC Leader may wish to explain to the voters why a brilliant strategist like Forbes Burnham would have left out his Political Liaison Officer in the planning of this operation that deliberately and illegally stole the 1973 election from the PPP, and disenfranchised the will of the Guyanese people.
Granger needs to clear his name and remove the shroud of doubt that will haunt him at the polls every time he runs for public office. It is interesting to note that Malcolm Harripaul is now a close advisor to the Leader of the new PNC-APNU-AFC collation, and former head of the GDF, Brigadier David Granger.

As I end this letter, I received an email with a news item that says, “David Granger has promised residents of the Barima-Waini Region One that should the APNU/AFC coalition take office after May 11, the region’s energy woes would be addressed.”
This statement shows just how dishonest and desperate politicians get in an effort to win votes during an election campaign.  If Granger was truly concerned about the welfare of our native Guyanese and the “energy woes” they suffer, he would not have cut funding from the National Budget for the solar panel project that Amerindian homes and villages would have benefitted from. And he would have given his support to the PPP/C Government for the construction of the Amaila Falls Hydroelectric Project to ensure all Guyanese benefit from cheaper, reliable source of energy instead of lying through his teeth to steal votes from the PPP/C. What a hypocrite!

HARRY GILL

FM
Django posted:
Baseman posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Source? As critics of David Granger we must stand on firm ground when we accuse him of dirty involvement in the 1973 general elections. In 1973 Granger was Planning Officer for setting up what was to become a big paramilitary organization, National Service. He was not engaged in elections-related duties in Berbice. I read somewhere that he was in an African country observing its National Service.

Back in 2011 when I confronted his nephew on this, he said his uncle was a young officer and not a decision-maker.  Basically, if he did, he just was following order.  

If he was in Africa, that would be the easiest/best explanation for his non-involvement. So stop the pathetic excuses!

"Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973 "

So you believe Granger was involved in the above, he taken from his assignment to National Service and sent to Berbice ??

Please don't misrepresent and twist what I said.  I never said he did this or that.  Re-read what I said and ascribe that and only that to me, nothing else!

FM
Dave posted:

By virtue of the key role he played in the education of soldiers, David Granger bears some responsibility for the ballot box killings

HARRY GILL

Total bullshit!! 

That fact that he trained soldiers in the business of soldiering and someone else misused their skills for some nefarious objective, you cannot assign blame to the trainer.  It's like blaming the engine of the car for breaking the speed limit!

FM
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Source? As critics of David Granger we must stand on firm ground when we accuse him of dirty involvement in the 1973 general elections. In 1973 Granger was Planning Officer for setting up what was to become a big paramilitary organization, National Service. He was not engaged in elections-related duties in Berbice. I read somewhere that he was in an African country observing its National Service.

Back in 2011 when I confronted his nephew on this, he said his uncle was a young officer and not a decision-maker.  Basically, if he did, he just was following order.  

If he was in Africa, that would be the easiest/best explanation for his non-involvement. So stop the pathetic excuses!

"Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973 "

So you believe Granger was involved in the above, he taken from his assignment to National Service and sent to Berbice ??

Please don't misrepresent and twist what I said.  I never said he did this or that.  Re-read what I said and ascribe that and only that to me, nothing else!

Are you scared lol 

FM
Dave posted:
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Source? As critics of David Granger we must stand on firm ground when we accuse him of dirty involvement in the 1973 general elections. In 1973 Granger was Planning Officer for setting up what was to become a big paramilitary organization, National Service. He was not engaged in elections-related duties in Berbice. I read somewhere that he was in an African country observing its National Service.

Back in 2011 when I confronted his nephew on this, he said his uncle was a young officer and not a decision-maker.  Basically, if he did, he just was following order.  

If he was in Africa, that would be the easiest/best explanation for his non-involvement. So stop the pathetic excuses!

"Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973 "

So you believe Granger was involved in the above, he taken from his assignment to National Service and sent to Berbice ??

Please don't misrepresent and twist what I said.  I never said he did this or that.  Re-read what I said and ascribe that and only that to me, nothing else!

Are you scared lol 

Scared of what and who??  Don't misrepresent and mix what I said in with the GNI nutcases.  I only know what his nephew told me. I don't go off on the deep end!

FM
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Baseman posted:
Dave posted:
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Source? As critics of David Granger we must stand on firm ground when we accuse him of dirty involvement in the 1973 general elections. In 1973 Granger was Planning Officer for setting up what was to become a big paramilitary organization, National Service. He was not engaged in elections-related duties in Berbice. I read somewhere that he was in an African country observing its National Service.

Back in 2011 when I confronted his nephew on this, he said his uncle was a young officer and not a decision-maker.  Basically, if he did, he just was following order.  

If he was in Africa, that would be the easiest/best explanation for his non-involvement. So stop the pathetic excuses!

"Granger “was responsible for seizing the ballot boxes on the Corentyne, Berbice and the shooting to death of two PPP activists at No. 63 Village in July 1973 "

So you believe Granger was involved in the above, he taken from his assignment to National Service and sent to Berbice ??

Please don't misrepresent and twist what I said.  I never said he did this or that.  Re-read what I said and ascribe that and only that to me, nothing else!

Are you scared lol 

Scared of what and who??  Don't misrepresent and mix what I said in with the GNI nutcases.  I only know what his nephew told me. I don't go off on the deep end!

Ok 

FM
Django posted:

Dave,

To back your accusation, found two letters one written by Kwame Mc Coy and the other by Harry Gill. The two gentleman are credible sources ? they have no political bias ?

I knew you so well .. was waiting on this response like last year. 

Remove Kwame name from the letter . 

Both writers back up their claim with proof. 

View the content of the letter and do a honest analysis... and I don’t need to know... keep it to yourself. 

FM
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:
D2 posted:
ksazma posted:

I agree. President Truman was correct as to where the buck stops. People still mistakenly think that Granger is from the manger so they are reluctant to blame him.

Granger is a saint compared to that brazen crook.

Perhaps. But he still needs to be held responsible for his actions or inactions as president the past 3+ years. Not for Jagdeo's sake but for the people of Guyana's.

Typical for you. Let Jagdeo run around with crimes that you even admit were likely worse than Granger.

It runs against your nature for an Indo gov't to be held to the same standards that you demand of an Afro gov't.

There is no doubt you are losing it Cribby. You continue to see what is not written. 

FM
Dave posted:
Django posted:

Dave,

To back your accusation, found two letters one written by Kwame Mc Coy and the other by Harry Gill. The two gentleman are credible sources ? they have no political bias ?

I knew you so well .. was waiting on this response like last year. 

Remove Kwame name from the letter . 

Both writers back up their claim with proof. 

View the content of the letter and do a honest analysis... and I don’t need to know... keep it to yourself. 

Do you think the half baked letters from the PPP mouth pieces will cut it. Bhai i am above the brainwashing types. Have always been thinking for my self, i spot devious people from a distance.

Wish the propagators of untruths all the best, time does catch up.

Django
D2 posted:
Gilbakka posted:

This man is bare faced. He as adjudicator of wrongs is almost cynical. In his regime we saw all sorts of crooked business done and no one could even question. They never give any answer from simple things much less the big ones. In their era we saw the transfer of vast portions of the nations assets to friends and family with no explanation given. One Chinese man controlled more land than all the tribes. NICIL was a black hole.  RK got cow island, Beharry got crab island, Buddy and BK and ED Ahmad got land for schemes, a  former GUYSUCO manager got one of th e largest ranch, PPP MPz got sea side dachas and the list goes on. This bastard should be in jail were it not for the powers he awarded himself against indictment.  He is a crook at Papa Doc stature. 

I was speaking to a Haiti cab driver recently. He said Papa Doc was the worst leader Haiti ever had and baby Doc was the best leader Haiti had. I would not put President Jagdeo in that category of Papa Doc.

Prashad

Hey hey hey...Granger playin saint. But he is head of de PNC dark art department. Dem man not givin up powah. And if dem decide to do de eleckshun if dem lose dem not allowin PPP to rule in peace. Dem will do more dan "wuh pon she"..."wuk pon she"...Jagdeo cyant do anything bout it because dem never get de coolies in de military...hey hey hey. 

FM
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:

Dave,

To back your accusation, found two letters one written by Kwame Mc Coy and the other by Harry Gill. The two gentleman are credible sources ? they have no political bias ?

I knew you so well .. was waiting on this response like last year. 

Remove Kwame name from the letter . 

Both writers back up their claim with proof. 

View the content of the letter and do a honest analysis... and I don’t need to know... keep it to yourself. 

Do you think the half baked letters from the PPP mouth pieces will cut it. Bhai i am above the brainwashing types. Have always been thinking for my self, i spot devious people from a distance.

Wish the propagators of untruths all the best, time does catch up.

 

The Propaganda you spread here for PNC prove otherwise

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Jaddoe believe he can use eleckshun politics as way to deal wid de PNC dark arts department. He believe he can put up wan few blackman and give out money and dat allow he and de posse foh enrich demselves. It doan wuk suh in Guyana. De Labba seh Jagdoe will take de coolies to dem final demise...hey hey hey. When all dem PPP coolie dunce deh calling Nigel Huges,,,wan most brilliant man,,,dunce foh claim 34 is majority, de LABBA seh dat is de begining of de delay strategy foh stay in 2020 or after.. Jagdoe cyant do anything bout it. Yuh tink de private sector goh lissen to he and sabatoge? Hey hey hey...dem peopkle see money and will wuk wid dem blackman. What de PNC dark arts blackman goh do is oppress dem wukkin class coolies...hey hey hey. Who go be Jagdoe Henry Greene? Ayoo tink de USA go allow ayoo foh find wan anada Rajah Khan? Hey hey hey...Ayoo see how Granger employ two of dem police/army people who na do nothing to dem criminals hiding in Buxton? Hey hey hey...Granger is head of de dark arts department...hey hey hey. Dem people going to pray on Sunday and oppress wukkin class coolies in Monday...hey hey hey. 

FM

 

Starship , Like you I have some horrible memories only difference is that these are personal experiences. I was 13 years at the time , My family are from 63 and 64 village Corentyne . My mother was actually from 63 and my father from 64 but they had moved to New Amsterdam where my father was working with the government Ministry. He was silently a supporter of the PNC and worked during the elections of 1973 as a polling clerk in 63 village where he continued to be registered.

My father said that he was approached by known PPP indians to create a confusion at the polling station about 25 minutes before close of poll. He was to accuse the black polling staff of denying people a chance to vote after a certain voter who was identified started to complain. My father who was a converted SDA said nothing .

The instigator came as planned and the agitation began as an entire group of more than 100 Indians armed with gardening tools , cutlasses, sticks and buckets of human cesspit waste stood outside shouting that they were denied to and wanted the ballot box. My father who was a decent man however did not do as instructed and actually said that what was claimed was a set up. A s the PPP supporters made a ring around the polling station threatening to kill my father and calling him neemakaram , GDF soldiers drove up to the polling station armed with Guns . the human waste was thrown on them and also on polling staff as they were being escorted out of the station to a safe place.

My father was chopped on his shoulder from a cutlass being pelted on him breaking his shoulder bone. today he still suffers from a deformity resulting from fracturing his shoulder blade. Soldiers shot in the air but this did not deter the angry mob. One soldier was doused with a bucket of filth and so was the polling oficials.
Making matters worse my mother's family home was burnt down the same night and my aunt who was 21 years at the time and just had a baby six months old was raped and her baby killed . His head was cut off and carried away . It was found by villagers the next day when dogs were seen fighting over the head. Four days later my father's parents and other family in 64 and 63 village were beaten and their homes also set ablaze.My father had to eventually leave New Amsterdam because even though they people there were not at war the PPP activists had threatened to get my father and all of us. He was scared. We moved to Georgetown and set up house in La Penitence where my family live unto today.

My father does not hate the PPP even though they did these terrible things to his family and today he carries the scar. He tells us to forgive but chose our politics wisely for the devil comes in many disguises. today Guyana is torn apart by evil forces , the same evil forces that caused the death of my baby cousin in 1973 and had his head being fought over by dogs.My father remains a PNC supporter to this day. My entire family are PNC supporters and proud of what the PNC did . We are not ashamed. We salute David Granger for accepting the nomination to be a Presidential candidate of the PNC. Law and order needs to be restored in our country now. The PPP will not do it and cannot do it.


 

Can any one verify if this incident is true ?

Django
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https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...llot-box-allegation/

 

I accept the correction made by David Granger that he was not the officer that gave the order to shoot and scampered away with the ballot boxes. But that does not exonerate Mr. Granger from collective responsibility, as a very senior military officer.

He said in his response to the killing of the two martyrs at the polling station at No.63 Village on the Corentyne, Berbice that the orders to shoot came from the ruling dictatorship, but he was a senior officer at the time in the Guyana Defence Force - never the less. What did he have to say at the time?

In his response to my allegations, he has not made any apology for the involvement of the GDF in the massive rigging of the elections in Guyana in 1973 under Burnham and the recording rigging under Hoyte, when he was the chief security advisor. Most descent Guyanese would question his impartiality and professionalism. Would you not?

As a reminder, he and other riggers should better inform themselves by reading Moses Nagamotto and Janet Jagan, respective publications on how the PNC was able to stay in power for 28 years. I have read about the "professionalism" of Mr. David Granger from different quarters and wonder whether professionalism has no moral ethics? Mr Granger cannot lead intelligent Guyanese, he can lead the blind ones. I am opposed to Granger leading this country, as well as Joe Singh - now touted by Rupert Roopnarine and others. They are not Hugo Chavez that came from the similar background. They have no politics and no backbone.

Let us not forget that Mr. Granger served under Hoyte - who rigged the elections worst than the dictator Forbes Burnham. Leading elements in the now defunct WPA think that they had won that election, so they told me.

In my response to a fellow SN blogger - Blioman - I pointed out that Granger was a professional associated with a party - under Burnham - that rigged our country's elections. He can continue to serve our country in a professional manner - but leadership at the national level must reside in people who are incorruptible and have no known connection with repression and the rape of our democracy and the ruin of our country.

Granger stood by as an officer and helped the process of keeping the PNC and Burnham in power for 28 years - resulting in serious economic decline, massive emigration to western countries (among the best of our people) and a total lack of respect for law and order.

Granger helped in the creation of the environment which violated the fundamental principle that our country was built on (the right to elect a government of our choice, freedom of speech and freedom of movement). People seem to forget the past too easily. He assumed the position of head of the army and what did he achieve? Let him tell us

Django
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skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
 

The Propaganda you spread here for PNC prove otherwise

October 1, 2010

Granger denies 1973 ballot box allegation

Dave, click the above and take a peek, also please read the comments of the article.

Are the commentators spreads PNC Propaganda ??

Most thieves and murderers deny their involvement in any crime. Nothing new here.

I have noticed you jumped in the fray,  read the article and the all the commentaries.

Was Granger involved in the 1973 Ballot Box Murders ?

Django
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Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
 

The Propaganda you spread here for PNC prove otherwise

October 1, 2010

Granger denies 1973 ballot box allegation

Dave, click the above and take a peek, also please read the comments of the article.

Are the commentators spreads PNC Propaganda ??

Most thieves and murderers deny their involvement in any crime. Nothing new here.

I have noticed you jumped in the fray,  read the article and the all the commentaries.

Was Granger involved in the 1973 Ballot Box Murders ?

Bai, tiefman nah seh dem tief. Dats all me guh seh. 

FM
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:

I have noticed you jumped in the fray,  read the article and the all the commentaries.

Was Granger involved in the 1973 Ballot Box Murders ?

Bai, tiefman nah seh dem tief. Dats all me guh seh. 

Well bhai, that called a  weak cop.

The GDF was there to seize the legal ballot boxes and replace them with PNC stuffed ones. When things went sour, they were instructed to shoot to kill. They won the election Saddam Hussein style.

FM

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