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Granger not ruling out possibility of AFC coalition

July 13, 2014, By Filed Under News, Source

 

Opposition Leader David Granger said that he isn’t ruling out the possibility of a coalition between A Partnership for National Unity and the Alliance for Change. Granger, in a recent interview, with this newspaper said that the APNU has a good relationship with the AFC.


According to Granger the two parties have met frequently over time to discuss several issues. He explained that from the “get go” the APNU has always indicated that other parties, individuals and organizations are always free to join. While they are free to join, the Opposition Leader said that his party will not be forcing anyone on the issue.


Granger told Kaieteur News that his party has maintained that it is committed to democracy. He said that the PNC is an integral part of the APNU, adding that it was the party at the “cutting edge and pioneering” of democracy in Guyana.


“The party is bound up by national unity and I do believe that if local or general elections are called our performance would increase from 2011.” He remains confident that that his party has covered lots of ground over the last two years.


“I’m more confident that more people are aware of what the party stands for and there is need for national unity, which will determine the next elections” Granger said.


Over the last year or so, the AFC had said that it would not be “swayed” into a coalition with the PPP/C or the APNU ahead of the next elections.


Alliance for Change member Dominic Gaskin had told the media that the party had lost several members. Last year three important members of the AFC North American chapter defected to the APNU.


They were Economist Tarron Khemraj, businessman Rab Mukraj and Political Science Professor, Asquith Rose. Former soldier Malcolm Harripaul, who had long switched allegiance to the APNU, was added to the list of defectors.


According to Gaskin while the party recognizes the right of all individuals to join the political party of their choosing we call on those same individuals to recognize and respect that the party was founded on the need for greater political options than hitherto presented by the PPP/C and the PNC.


Gaskin had said that the AFC asserted its independence and reiterated that decisions in the National Assembly stemmed from “honest and earnest deliberations” from a wide cross section of views and careful examination of relevant information.


Professor Rose has said that as many as 11 persons have decided to walk away from the AFC which holds a key seven-seat balance of power in the 65-seat National Assembly. He said that several of them would go to APNU and the remainder back to the governing People’s Progressive Party.

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What is so sinful about an APNU-AFC coalition aimed at deposing the corrupt PPP? Did you read Ralph Ramkarran's latest article?

The PPP can plug race and scare all the Indians away from APNU and the AFC; they still will not win upcoming elections.

The PPP's Indo voting bloc has shrunk so much that the regime is ashamed to publish the ethnic composition of the 2012 census.

Ramkarran says the PPP must share power if it wants to stay in power.

Now is the time for APNU together with AFC to show who has more power.

The PPP and its acolytes can carry on howling about Burnham this and Granger that, who rigged this and who frigged that.

FM

The AFC will commit political suicide by aligning with the P.N.C, those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it....

One could vividly recall in 1964 when the UF join forces with the P.N.C.

FM

The AFC’s no confidence motion

July 9, 2014 | By | Filed Under Features / Columnists, Freddie Kissoon 

The AFC probably examined the PPP’s performance and that of Mr. Ramotar and concluded that the sooner there is a general election, the worse for the PPP, thus the no-confidence idea. This was, of course, before the Manickchand/Luncheon scandal and Essequibo farmers’ protest.

Are there serious grounds for a no-confidence motion? I repeat what I have written before: I do not believe that the PPP will abide by the over-arching requirement of a successful parliamentary no-confidence vote. The PPP will cite a technical point that implies that the vote violated the constitution.

The PPP leadership will then move to the courts. This will invoke enormous political anger in the opposition that may take militant forms. The ABC countries may get involved, but the PPP will not go to the electorate which is required of them if they lose a no-confidence vote.

They will hope to wait out the storm even though that storm’s nature will be a rough one that the PPP would not have anticipated. My guess is that so annoyed will be the ABC countries at the violation of this sacred political value that there may be considerations of sanctions. Still the PPP will stall rather than prorogue the House and agree to early elections.

Here are the possible reasons for opting for early elections. AFC may have reasoned that the PPP has lost support by the open frustration of the ABC countries with the caricature of democracy in this land. When the US gets vexed with a poor Third World country then the population begins to get worried and may feel that the government has become a liability and would not mind if it loses power.

The era of the socialist aura is over in Guyana. There are no socialist demagogues that can whip up the masses to denounce the United States. Guyana does not have anti-American sentiments and no one in the PPP leadership can get any sizeable group in any part of Guyana to vent anger against the US. All of Guyana wants to go to the US. The US Embassy has recorded a figure of 4,500 legal migrants annually.

In terms of non-immigrant visa applicants, the figure rose from 13,000 in 2011 to 35,000 in 2013. If a general election is held tomorrow the opposition will create serious anxiety in Berbicians, and Indians in general, by pointing to the disappointments the US has with the PPP leadership of Guyana.

It would be a winning electoral strategy. And what would be terribly shocking is that a silly PPP leadership will go on the campaign trail and in response, lash out at the Americans in nasty ways, as Ramotar did recently when the US Ambassador spoke that the lack of local government elections undermines democracy.

Ramotar castigated the US in acidic terms, referring to the Snowden revelations. And now we have the Manickchand and Luncheon infamy. That kind of idiotic electoral strategy belongs to an age long gone.

Secondly, the AFC believes that Ramotar has been a political nightmare for the PPP’s image and that his invisible performance in office will hurt the PPP badly in a general poll. The AFC is right in this thinking. Mr. Ramotar is definitely not presidential material. Character-wise, he is a better human than Bharrat Jagdeo but Mr. Ramotar definitely does not possess even a modicum of presidential qualities. No young Indian will be impressed with Mr. Ramotar’s defence of his three years in office.

Thirdly, this is a spin-off of number two. The AFC knows that a snap election will cause the PPP to implode. There is serious infighting inside the PPP and it centres on Mr. Ramotar. There are young leaders in the PPP who believe that with each passing day, Mr. Ramotar lessens the PPP’s chances of winning a parliamentary majority.

If the PPP is required by the constitution to hold general elections after a vote of no-confidence, then all hell will break loose. Interestingly, if in such an event, Ramotar refuses to call the poll, the young hopefuls may very well want a general election, because in their thinking the PPP will not go with Ramotar.

Finally, the AFC is convinced that the PPP will lose at the next poll and may not want to wait until the last quarter of 2016. The most compelling argument for an early contest is that the PPP is in a stage of dormancy and is almost immobilized in terms of ideas, strategy and dynamism. Nothing new has been pursued since Mr. Ramotar became president.

If elections are called tomorrow, the PPP has nothing to show for Mr. Ramotar’s three years.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Conscience:

The AFC will commit political suicide by aligning with the P.N.C, those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it....

One could vividly recall in 1964 when the UF join forces with the P.N.C.

The AFC will not commit any kind of political suicide if they want to increase their base and do something constructive for the Nation they have to learn how to work together with various political parties.

 

It behooves the AFC at this stage of the game not to think about a coalition it would be the most prudent thing for them to do in the face of the continued PPP treachery.

 

I think if the PPP after 2011 had said ok listen Guyana we hear what you are saying and then they started taking concrete steps against corruption and mismanagement of the country's affairs any talk of a coalition with the PNC would have been difficult for the AFC to consider.

 

But I think the PPP has made it very very easy for the AFC and I think in all of this the AFC will come out being the biggest winner.

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

The AFC will commit political suicide by aligning with the P.N.C, those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it....

One could vividly recall in 1964 when the UF join forces with the P.N.C.

Please make educated predictions.

In 1964 the PPP's Indian support base was massive and revved up.

Today the Indo population has shrunk like a handful of raisins and fleeing.

Keep on vividly recalling.Don't look forward.

FM

The PNC is stuck at 41%. The PPP lost votes went to AFC. PNC did not get them because the hate the PNC. Now if AFC run with APNU under one ticket what do you think those voters would do? They certainly dislike the PNC with a passion. 

Billy Ram Balgobin
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Conscience:

The AFC will commit political suicide by aligning with the P.N.C, those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it....

One could vividly recall in 1964 when the UF join forces with the P.N.C.

Please make educated predictions.

In 1964 the PPP's Indian support base was massive and revved up.

Today the Indo population has shrunk like a handful of raisins and fleeing.

Keep on vividly recalling.Don't look forward.

That's too much of a demand for the pea brain fool .

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

The African population rushing to Flatbush Avenue in droves. Life is good on Flatbush.

Billy Ramgoat, life is not good in your Doctor Bush, Albion.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

Gilbakka is attempting to demoralize a people who fought and defeated 30 years of dictatorship. It ain't gonna work.  

u can't even fart your nonsense with a straight face

 

smh

FM
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

The PNC is stuck at 41%. The PPP lost votes went to AFC. PNC did not get them because the hate the PNC. Now if AFC run with APNU under one ticket what do you think those voters would do? They certainly dislike the PNC with a passion. 

Billy, if in the improbable event all the PPP lost votes are regained, the PPP will still lose. Berbice Indians are fleeing Guyana by the thousands.

Ralph Ramkarran observes: "The census results show that in Region 6, a stronghold of the PPP, the population declined by 15,000 at the end f 2012. Adding Regions 5 and 3, also strongholds of the PPP, there was a total decline of 20,000 persons."

How many PPP seats lost there? By 2016 general elections the shituation will worsen for the PPP.

 

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

The PNC is stuck at 41%. The PPP lost votes went to AFC. PNC did not get them because the hate the PNC. Now if AFC run with APNU under one ticket what do you think those voters would do? They certainly dislike the PNC with a passion. 

I have no choice but to agree with you BILLY.

 

The APNU/PNC has maxed out.

 

Where will the former PPP and PNC voters go???

 

 

AFC??

 

Benchop Independent Party???

 

Jaipaul Sharma ---- Justice for all Party???

 

The new Amerindian Party???

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

If it is nonsense then it went straight to your abominable face.

HEHEHE, DAT IS FISH UP AT ITS BEST.

ow, look how yuh trying to 'rehabilitate' yuh hapless fren . . . poor u

 

har har har harr

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

If it is nonsense then it went straight to your abominable face.

HEHEHE, DAT IS FISH UP AT ITS BEST.

ow, look how yuh trying to 'rehabilitate' yuh hapless fren . . . poor u

 

har har har harr

OW Jesue, this fool Redux ak Jumbie No. 1 of TK does not realise the JOKE is on him and he get a classic fish up.

 

But it is the mental mass.  DUMBO!

FM

Ah Gilbakka,

 

The election results show that the voter turnout in region 6 was just 66%. Those who voted AFC amount to 10%. The PPP barely lost by 1%. It  is easier to re-capture 1% than 10% to win a majority. Fight for leadership of the party caused this mess. The AFC is in trouble now. Selling out to the PNC is unforgivable. The PPP will win the next election.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Originally Posted by KishanB:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

If it is nonsense then it went straight to your abominable face.

HEHEHE, DAT IS FISH UP AT ITS BEST.

ow, look how yuh trying to 'rehabilitate' yuh hapless fren . . . poor u

 

har har har harr

OW Jesue, this fool Redux ak Jumbie No. 1 of TK does not realise the JOKE is on him and he get a classic fish up.

 

But it is the mental mass.  DUMBO!

it's good that u fear me

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Granger not ruling out possibility of AFC coalition

July 13, 2014, By Filed Under News, Source

 

Opposition Leader David Granger said that he isn’t ruling out the possibility of a coalition between A Partnership for National Unity and the Alliance for Change. Granger, in a recent interview, with this newspaper said that the APNU has a good relationship with the AFC.


According to Granger the two parties have met frequently over time to discuss several issues. He explained that from the “get go” the APNU has always indicated that other parties, individuals and organizations are always free to join. While they are free to join, the Opposition Leader said that his party will not be forcing anyone on the issue.


Granger told Kaieteur News that his party has maintained that it is committed to democracy. He said that the PNC is an integral part of the APNU, adding that it was the party at the “cutting edge and pioneering” of democracy in Guyana.


“The party is bound up by national unity and I do believe that if local or general elections are called our performance would increase from 2011.” He remains confident that that his party has covered lots of ground over the last two years.


“I’m more confident that more people are aware of what the party stands for and there is need for national unity, which will determine the next elections” Granger said.


Over the last year or so, the AFC had said that it would not be “swayed” into a coalition with the PPP/C or the APNU ahead of the next elections.


Alliance for Change member Dominic Gaskin had told the media that the party had lost several members. Last year three important members of the AFC North American chapter defected to the APNU.


They were Economist Tarron Khemraj, businessman Rab Mukraj and Political Science Professor, Asquith Rose. Former soldier Malcolm Harripaul, who had long switched allegiance to the APNU, was added to the list of defectors.


According to Gaskin while the party recognizes the right of all individuals to join the political party of their choosing we call on those same individuals to recognize and respect that the party was founded on the need for greater political options than hitherto presented by the PPP/C and the PNC.


Gaskin had said that the AFC asserted its independence and reiterated that decisions in the National Assembly stemmed from “honest and earnest deliberations” from a wide cross section of views and careful examination of relevant information.


Professor Rose has said that as many as 11 persons have decided to walk away from the AFC which holds a key seven-seat balance of power in the 65-seat National Assembly. He said that several of them would go to APNU and the remainder back to the governing People’s Progressive Party.

Granja talking out of his azz as usual.

 

How dare he speak on behalf of the AFC.  He really getting besides himself.

 

Like the rigging plans for the PNC COngress getting him Bazzadee causing him to talk stupidness.

FM
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

Granger continuing with the same thing Hoyte was hollering about - Indians are the master violence and Sun Chapman was perpetrated by Indos

ahmmm . . . apropos ???

 

ignar 101 star student in deep meditation

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Cobra:

He said that the PNC is an integral part of the APNU, adding that it was the party at the “cutting edge and pioneering” of democracy in Guyana. 

 

Looks like my assumption that  AFC = PNC is correct.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

He said that the PNC is an integral part of the APNU, adding that it was the party at the “cutting edge and pioneering” of democracy in Guyana. 

 

Looks like my assumption that  AFC = PNC is correct.

Assume = ASS+U+ME.

PPP=PNC. End of story.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

Granger continuing with the same thing Hoyte was hollering about - Indians are the master violence and Sun Chapman was perpetrated by Indos

And yet daily we hear rants from people like you wailing about violence from blacks.

 

It is interesting that you aren't any better than you accuse Granger of being.

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Granger not ruling out possibility of AFC coalition

July 13, 2014, By Filed Under News, Source

 

Opposition Leader David Granger said that he isn’t ruling out the possibility of a coalition between A Partnership for National Unity and the Alliance for Change. Granger, in a recent interview, with this newspaper said that the APNU has a good relationship with the AFC.


According to Granger the two parties have met frequently over time to discuss several issues. He explained that from the “get go” the APNU has always indicated that other parties, individuals and organizations are always free to join. While they are free to join, the Opposition Leader said that his party will not be forcing anyone on the issue.


Granger told Kaieteur News that his party has maintained that it is committed to democracy. He said that the PNC is an integral part of the APNU, adding that it was the party at the “cutting edge and pioneering” of democracy in Guyana.


“The party is bound up by national unity and I do believe that if local or general elections are called our performance would increase from 2011.” He remains confident that that his party has covered lots of ground over the last two years.


“I’m more confident that more people are aware of what the party stands for and there is need for national unity, which will determine the next elections” Granger said.


Over the last year or so, the AFC had said that it would not be “swayed” into a coalition with the PPP/C or the APNU ahead of the next elections.


Alliance for Change member Dominic Gaskin had told the media that the party had lost several members. Last year three important members of the AFC North American chapter defected to the APNU.


They were Economist Tarron Khemraj, businessman Rab Mukraj and Political Science Professor, Asquith Rose. Former soldier Malcolm Harripaul, who had long switched allegiance to the APNU, was added to the list of defectors.


According to Gaskin while the party recognizes the right of all individuals to join the political party of their choosing we call on those same individuals to recognize and respect that the party was founded on the need for greater political options than hitherto presented by the PPP/C and the PNC.


Gaskin had said that the AFC asserted its independence and reiterated that decisions in the National Assembly stemmed from “honest and earnest deliberations” from a wide cross section of views and careful examination of relevant information.


Professor Rose has said that as many as 11 persons have decided to walk away from the AFC which holds a key seven-seat balance of power in the 65-seat National Assembly. He said that several of them would go to APNU and the remainder back to the governing People’s Progressive Party.

Granja talking out of his azz as usual.

 

How dare he speak on behalf of the AFC.  He really getting besides himself.

 

Like the rigging plans for the PNC COngress getting him Bazzadee causing him to talk stupidness.

pnc congress will be rigged

FM

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