Its not bizarre....he knows fully well what he is doing.

People now have every right to question his integrity and commitment to free and fair elections.

Delaying tactics again. PPP will continue to boycott parliament.

VishMahabir posted:

Its not bizarre....he knows fully well what he is doing.

People now have every right to question his integrity and commitment to free and fair elections.

Furthermore....this means that oil money is now coming in, the economy will improve and Granger will be smiling all the way to the bank because he can and will claim the credit.

YES...Granger will be crowned as KING DAVID.....

AND, like my uncle like to say...the “PPP Kak duk” (meaning that the opposition will be out in the cold for 28 years.....this time.....most likely legitimately!!!!

Now watch dem Indos like Persaud come here and call for PARTITION!

During the 2015 elections campaign I kept saying here on GNI that any coalition between the AFC and the PNC would result in the PNC being the dominant partner. What we are witnessing here is total control of the government by the Burnhamites. The Jaganites in AFC have been marginalized to nothing. Most have returned home to the PPP or just remain quiet.  The few like Moses and Ramjattan have no choice to hang on the PNC raft until it sinks. 

VishMahabir posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Its not bizarre....he knows fully well what he is doing.

People now have every right to question his integrity and commitment to free and fair elections.

Furthermore....this means that oil money is now coming in, the economy will improve and Granger will be smiling all the way to the bank because he can and will claim the credit.

YES...Granger will be crowned as KING DAVID.....

AND, like my uncle like to say...the “PPP Kak duk” (meaning that the opposition will be out in the cold for 28 years.....this time.....most likely legitimately!!!!

Now watch dem Indos like Persaud come here and call for PARTITION!

 

Vish,

You are too pessimistic about the political situation in Guyana.  You don't see strength in yourself much less those of your ilk. I think you should look back at those same kind of attitudes many Indos displayed in the seventies and eighties thinking that the PNC was impregnable and will be in power forever.  Be a little more positive and stop painting a hopeless and gloomy picture of Indos in Guyana. They are not all politically naieve.  They have many smart ones.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

VishMahabir posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Its not bizarre....he knows fully well what he is doing.

People now have every right to question his integrity and commitment to free and fair elections.

Furthermore....this means that oil money is now coming in, the economy will improve and Granger will be smiling all the way to the bank because he can and will claim the credit.

YES...Granger will be crowned as KING DAVID.....

AND, like my uncle like to say...the “PPP Kak duk” (meaning that the opposition will be out in the cold for 28 years.....this time.....most likely legitimately!!!!

Now watch dem Indos like Persaud come here and call for PARTITION!

 

Vish,

You are too pessimistic about the political situation in Guyana.  You don't see strength in yourself much less those of your ilk. I think you should look back at those same kind of attitudes many Indos displayed in the seventies and eighties thinking that the PNC was impregnable and will be in power forever.  Be a little more positive and stop painting a hopeless and gloomy picture of Indos in Guyana. They are not all politically naieve.  They have many smart ones.

Pessimistic is an understatement....after more than 50 years, what does this country have to show for itself? 

My entire family are scattered in the international diaspora...away from the land they built from slavery and indentureship...

My point is that after 28 years of dictatorship, followed by 23 years of corruption, from what I can see, the country remains where it was from the 1960s. 

OIL is a savior and a blessing but for democracy to flourish it will not come with a PNC rule (given what transpired in the last few years) or a PPP rule. Either one spells disaster if they continue to control the Executive and Legislative arms of government.

Not much was done in the 1970s and 1980s, except the appearance of Rodney, who gave people some hope.

I been to Guyana recently....but it will not be a politically stable country if this division continues.    

VishMahabir posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

VishMahabir posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Its not bizarre....he knows fully well what he is doing.

People now have every right to question his integrity and commitment to free and fair elections.

Furthermore....this means that oil money is now coming in, the economy will improve and Granger will be smiling all the way to the bank because he can and will claim the credit.

YES...Granger will be crowned as KING DAVID.....

AND, like my uncle like to say...the “PPP Kak duk” (meaning that the opposition will be out in the cold for 28 years.....this time.....most likely legitimately!!!!

Now watch dem Indos like Persaud come here and call for PARTITION!

 

Vish,

You are too pessimistic about the political situation in Guyana.  You don't see strength in yourself much less those of your ilk. I think you should look back at those same kind of attitudes many Indos displayed in the seventies and eighties thinking that the PNC was impregnable and will be in power forever.  Be a little more positive and stop painting a hopeless and gloomy picture of Indos in Guyana. They are not all politically naieve.  They have many smart ones.

Pessimistic is an understatement....after more than 50 years, what does this country have to show for itself? 

My entire family are scattered in the international diaspora...away from the land they built from slavery and indentureship...

My point is that after 28 years of dictatorship, followed by 23 years of corruption, from what I can see, the country remains where it was from the 1960s. 

OIL is a savior and a blessing but for democracy to flourish it will not come with a PNC rule (given what transpired in the last few years) or a PPP rule. Either one spells disaster if they continue to control the Executive and Legislative arms of government.

Not much was done in the 1970s and 1980s, except the appearance of Rodney, who gave people some hope.

I been to Guyana recently....but it will not be a politically stable country if this division continues.    

 

You are talking trash.  The PPP had 23 years but of those years they only functionally fully as a government for 19 years.  From 2011 all budgets proposed by government were killed by the coalition in parliament.  Those years the PPP were in government saw Guyana moved from a low income nation to a middle income nation.  That alone says something about progress.  Corruption became a problem but never as much as reported by the opposition parties and their media sidekicks.  The country's economy progressed during the PPP years and investments increased significantly.  Since the 2015 the economy has been on downward spiral and the nation did not see any alleviation of the problems of crime and corruption. On the contrary, the problems of crime and corruption continue the upward spiral and major sectors of the economy have continue to decline leaving thousands of workers on the bread line. 

The PPP government was not perfect but they did a fantastic job building the economy, improving the people's living standard, and never resorted to undemocratic rule by hijacking the ballot and throwing the constitution under the truck.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted 

 

You are talking trash.  The PPP had 23 years but of those years they only functionally fully as a government for 19 years.  From 2011 all budgets proposed by government were killed by the coalition in parliament.  Those years the PPP were in government saw Guyana moved from a low income nation to a middle income nation.  That alone says something about progress.  Corruption became a problem but never as much as reported by the opposition parties and their media sidekicks.  The country's economy progressed during the PPP years and investments increased significantly.  Since the 2015 the economy has been on downward spiral and the nation did not see any alleviation of the problems of crime and corruption. On the contrary, the problems of crime and corruption continue the upward spiral and major sectors of the economy have continue to decline leaving thousands of workers on the bread line. 

The PPP government was not perfect but they did a fantastic job building the economy, improving the people's living standard, and never resorted to undemocratic rule by hijacking the ballot and throwing the constitution under the truck.

When a country comes out of an era (one which an entirely new generation has lived through), the 28 years, that is, it is expected that the challenge for any new government is to find new, creative and meaningful ways to ensure that the problems of the past are not repeated...you know what Santayana said about that...

The fundamental problem is that the PPP, even with the short time that Jagan governed after 1992, refused to do so, largely because of 3 things:

a. The PPP felt they were a morally superior force

b. With their majority support and ability to win elections, they felt they were invincible

c. To some extent I believe some members of the PPP felt that Afros were gullible and will support the PPP (they claim to me a diversified party).

You are correct about the PPP’s contribution towards getting Guyana out of debt, but the PPP destroyed its credibility by engaging in its own extraordinary and wanton corruption practices, and then they took Guyana along the dangerous path of becoming an established drug haven and drug transshipment location (the fact that the PPP could not control the crime wave and had to resort to securing the services of Roger Khan, is never justifiable or acceptable, as some of you have argued here). The PPP allowed itself to become its own enemy,  a party which seemed to elevate its own supporters, and not others. THis image will not be easy to shake, unless the PPP undergo traumatic reformation, starting with its top leadership.

That being said, the PPP became a rag tag party, with its leaders incapable of reinvigorating the party and attracting new blood. Look at the bio of the people who now make up that party, check their background, their occupation, their education, etc...its pitiful.

“Not perfect”, yes but far from doing a “fantastic job”.

So blaming the PNC for destroying the country is one thing...the question is what has the PPP done to make the case that it is more responsible, diverse, incorruptible, etc. More importantly, I have asked this question before, with no acceptable answer:

Assuming the PPP wins, how will that party deal with an unstable environment and convince Afros and others that it will genuinely represent all Guyanese?

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

VishMahabir posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Its not bizarre....he knows fully well what he is doing.

People now have every right to question his integrity and commitment to free and fair elections.

Furthermore....this means that oil money is now coming in, the economy will improve and Granger will be smiling all the way to the bank because he can and will claim the credit.

YES...Granger will be crowned as KING DAVID.....

AND, like my uncle like to say...the “PPP Kak duk” (meaning that the opposition will be out in the cold for 28 years.....this time.....most likely legitimately!!!!

Now watch dem Indos like Persaud come here and call for PARTITION!

 

Vish,

You are too pessimistic about the political situation in Guyana.  You don't see strength in yourself much less those of your ilk. I think you should look back at those same kind of attitudes many Indos displayed in the seventies and eighties thinking that the PNC was impregnable and will be in power forever.  Be a little more positive and stop painting a hopeless and gloomy picture of Indos in Guyana. They are not all politically naieve.  They have many smart ones.

Bai, if jimmy Carter did not intervene, PPP would have remained in opposition.  So not sure what you hanging your hat on!

With oil on the horizon, there is a swathe of Indians who can care less who rules as long as money flows.  

The international community seems ambivalent and are talking more than doing. I have a feeling they don’t want the PPP back in so quickly.  

Billy, people like Vish are either naive, ass kissers or just plain stupid!! It is simple but he will never get it. Take a picture of Guyana prior 1992 and one in 2014, look at them and see the difference!!