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GUYANA BLACKS AGITATE

As September, Amerindian heritage month, draws to a close and as indigenous Indians do all they can to raise awareness about land and other rights, Afro Guyanese groups are beginning to put pressure on the administration of President David Granger to give blacks their just piece of the country’s pie just as past governments have done for others.

Guyana President David Granger.

The local slavery reparations commission has in recent weeks handed cabinet ministers a slew of publications it says contains startling facts about the plight of Afro Guyanese and the level of discrimination they have faced from the time the first African slave set foot on local soil to the systematic favoring of East Indians during the 23 years of the Indian-dominated People’s Progressive Party (PPP).

They are now demanding that an administration led by a retired black army general dedicates some of its energy and resources to addressing the plight of Afro Guyanese especially as it relates to access to land in a country more than 20 times the size of Jamaica and nearly 80 times bigger than Trinidad.

“The African Guyanese community is in deep crisis,” says Eric Phillips, leader of the Guyana Reparations Commission fighting with other national bodies in neighboring Caribbean community countries to make Britain and other western nations compensate the region for the brutal trans Atlantic slave trade.

“The crisis is structural and is the result of centuries of discriminatory practices by governments of Guyana during slavery, after Emancipation and most recently by the last PPP government,” said the latest document given to cabinet.

The commission and other Afro rights groups are pointing to the fact that the country’s 10 percent Amerindian population consisting of nine tribes have already been awarded 13.8 percent of the country’s land mass and are demanding even more though they were never enslaved and made to work for free like Africans.

At worst, Phillips says blacks who account for about 31 percent of Guyana’s population of about 750,000 should at least be awarded about 20 percent of the country as studies have shown that an astonishing 450,000 Africans died during the slave era.

Granger, 71, recently announced the establishment of a land commission to review the status of communal lands, which were linked to estates free African slaves purchased immediately after Emancipation. Afro activists say the PPP systematically gave out these lands to its supporters and others, knowing fully well they belonged to the early Afro coastal villages. The time to reverse all this is now Phillips and others say.

Phillips says it is blacks, rather than Amerindians or any other groups, which dug 15,000 square miles of earth to establish plantations system and drain the low lying coastal belt for free. Ironically, their descendants were never awarded or rewarded with any of those lands they prepared.

“This is a grave injustice. The British and Guyanese governments did not offer lands to Africans at independence but promoted and ensured Amerindians received. Today they own 13.8 percent.”

As further proof of how everyone else is looked after but blacks, the latest document says that even foreign Chinese and Indian companies were given large tracts of state lands to set up businesses but blacks were not given equal access to Guyana’s resources. “Gold smuggling (15,000 ounces per week) was the exclusive domain of Indians with their emboldened government networks. Guyana for example, lost US$1B in gold in 2013,” said Phillips, quoting official information given to government by the United States Treasury.

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GUYANA BLACKS AGITATE

Guyana President David Granger.

The local slavery reparations commission has in recent weeks handed cabinet ministers a slew of publications it says contains startling facts about the plight of Afro Guyanese and the level of discrimination they have faced from the time the first African slave set foot on local soil to the systematic favoring of East Indians during the 23 years of the Indian-dominated People’s Progressive Party (PPP).

Perhaps, an indication that Forbes Burnham and the 28 years of PNC rule -- 1964 to 1992 -- also discriminated against the Afro-Guyanese.

FM

The black activists have genuine grievances. Afro-Guyanese have been shortchanged where land rights are concerned. But the activists have to be careful not to antagonize Amerindians. The activists must concede that the Granger administration will need crucial votes from Amerindians to stay in power beyond 2020. Meanwhile, I wish the activists well in their drive to redress an historical anomaly.  

FM

That is why Guyana will get no where. I say give blacks all the goldfield in the Bush. Give Indians Corentyne. And turn coat Indoes a good tar and feathering. 

Blacks hold back progress, they want the country. Suh, give them the richest part. Remove the Amerinds and let the Black people tek dey place. The foreigners poisoning deh rivers and streams, anyway

S
Gilbakka posted:

The black activists have genuine grievances. Afro-Guyanese have been shortchanged where land rights are concerned.

After slavery was abolished in Guyana the Afro-Guyanese collectively bought estates in many parts of the country.

FM
Prashad posted:

East Indians of Guyana, douglas who embrace their Indian heritage and allies of the East Indian people of Guyana must have their own independent sovereign nation/ country.

ah got ah piece ah land...yuh want buy it fuh resettle them

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
Gilbakka posted:

The black activists have genuine grievances. Afro-Guyanese have been shortchanged where land rights are concerned.

After slavery was abolished in Guyana the Afro-Guyanese collectively bought estates in many parts of the country.

Time to start building slave ships to repatriate the Africans. If they don't like it in Guyana, they can go back. One of my grandfathers went back to India.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Gilbakka posted:

The black activists have genuine grievances. Afro-Guyanese have been shortchanged where land rights are concerned.

After slavery was abolished in Guyana the Afro-Guyanese collectively bought estates in many parts of the country.

Time to start building slave ships to repatriate the Africans. If they don't like it in Guyana, they can go back. One of my grandfathers went back to India.

Why should they,are they not Guyanese?? the other major race bitching because they feel they are the only one have a right to rule.

Django
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Gilbakka posted:

The black activists have genuine grievances. Afro-Guyanese have been shortchanged where land rights are concerned.

After slavery was abolished in Guyana the Afro-Guyanese collectively bought estates in many parts of the country.

Time to start building slave ships to repatriate the Africans. If they don't like it in Guyana, they can go back. One of my grandfathers went back to India.

Why should they,are they not Guyanese?? the other major race bitching because they feel they are the only one have a right to rule.

They are Guyanese and should behave as such.

Eric Philips is a damn fool, perhaps many afro-guyanese doan share his opinions. This all ACDA scheme. Dem no different than the PPP.

S
RiffRaff posted:
Prashad posted:

East Indians of Guyana, douglas who embrace their Indian heritage and allies of the East Indian people of Guyana must have their own independent sovereign nation/ country.

ah got ah piece ah land...yuh want buy it fuh resettle them

The only real option that East Indian people of Guyana have to safeguard their political and human rights into the future is the creation of a democratic independent sovereign country. Without this the alternative is the extinction of the East Indian people off of the South American continent in the near future. 

Prashad
cain posted:

If that is the case, it blows all we have heard about blacks having a ball during PNC time. So PNC screwed then over then the PPP.

No one screwed Blacks over.  Blacks have to seek a path away from Govt dependency.  Blacks do work hard, but many spend as much or more than they earn.   Blacks pointing their fingers to the PPP, but they had a much better run during the PNC 28 years.  The PPP spent 10 years getting out from the mess the PNC left.  Blacks were worse off in 1992 than in 2015.

Let me hear Caribj, I'm sure he would agree with me!

FM
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Drugb posted:

What will Blacks do with these lands if given? They will find a rich indo to sell the land and then sport out the money on backballing and jump up. Am I incorrect?

In the 1970's the PNC gave away land on the East bank to 90% PNC supporters.  The land had to be held for five years however, by year three many rented it to Indian farmers and a few years after the lock-up period, Indians owned 90% of the land!

As long as there are Indians around in Guyana, Blacks will shun work associated with land.

FM

Burnham gave Blacks Land and Housing schemes all over Guyana. Take a look at those schemes and compare them to Homes and businesses built by Indos.

Big difference, despite Giving Afros a start and attempting to eliminate Indos, we have survived and are the wealthiest in Guyana today.

Granger is attempting to do what Burnham did with his so-called wealth distribution. Tek from Indos, tek bais, tek is his new policy.

FM
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ba$eman posted:
Drugb posted:

What will Blacks do with these lands if given? They will find a rich indo to sell the land and then sport out the money on backballing and jump up. Am I incorrect?

In the 1970's the PNC gave away land on the East bank to 90% PNC supporters.  The land had to be held for five years however, by year three many rented it to Indian farmers and a few years after the lock-up period, Indians owned 90% of the land!

As long as there are Indians around in Guyana, Blacks will shun work associated with land.

So it is well known Indians are great at working the land while the blacks do better by joining the forces, so why do we hear time and again complaints about no Indians on the forces?

Blacks don't complain about not having land to work, do they?

cain
cain posted:
ba$eman posted:
Drugb posted:

What will Blacks do with these lands if given? They will find a rich indo to sell the land and then sport out the money on backballing and jump up. Am I incorrect?

In the 1970's the PNC gave away land on the East bank to 90% PNC supporters.  The land had to be held for five years however, by year three many rented it to Indian farmers and a few years after the lock-up period, Indians owned 90% of the land!

As long as there are Indians around in Guyana, Blacks will shun work associated with land.

So it is well known Indians are great at working the land while the blacks do better by joining the forces, so why do we hear time and again complaints about no Indians on the forces?

Blacks don't complain about not having land to work, do they?

Use your brains man, Blacks are drawn to govt work because it is easy wuk. They don't want to toil in the fields like Indians.

FM

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