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Guyana needs the vision and leadership of Jagdeo

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Dear Editor,

Without a doubt, the greatest obstacle to an APNU+AFC re-election bid in 2020, is the man who now holds the strategic positions of Leader of the Opposition and General Secretary of the People’s Progressive Party, Dr Bharrat Jagdeo.

Now that the Guyana Court of Appeal has cleared the way for his re-election, the PNC/APNU fear of Jagdeo is justified and for good reason. That is why this ruling will soon be challenged in the nation’s highest court, the Caribbean Court of Justice. Although the PPP/C has not made a decision as to who the presidential candidate will be, the thought of running against this political maestro must be nerve-wracking for the coalition leadership.

For many years while in opposition, the APNU+AFC cleverly executed a long, sustained campaign of destroying the character and credibility of the People’s Progressive Party by painting the party and its leadership as corrupt and racist. The question remains, was the PPP/C administration corrupt, and is the former President and now Leader of the Opposition, Dr Bharrat Jagdeo a racist? Who else is more qualified to answer these questions than someone who had for a long time, been a major critic of both the PPP/C and Bharrat Jagdeo.

You see, years ago while living in New York, I was a known critic of the Jagdeo administration, writing regular letters to the press demanding transparency and accountability. But back then, I allowed myself to be influenced by all the negative news coming out of Guyana by the independent press, and the daily criticism of the Jagdeo-led PPP government by Mark Benschop on his internet radio, a medium popular among Guyanese in the diaspora.

Over the years since, I’ve tried to right a wrong and to recognize and support the PPP/C for good governance; and for improving the quality of life of every Guyanese, more so, those living in opposition strongholds like Linden and Buxton, and our Amerindian brothers and sisters who have long been neglected by the PNC regime.

I had good reasons to justify my apologies to former President Bharrat Jagdeo for the harm I’ve caused to his credibility and character. For without knowing the facts, I had committed an injustice by judging him too harshly. As a PPP/C Member of Parliament, I am living proof that the man holds no grudge, and is committed to work with anyone who genuinely holds the national interest at heart.

Knowing Dr Bharrat Jagdeo as I do now, the conditions under which he was able to transform   Guyana into a thriving economy while dealing with an obstructionist, non-cooperative PNCR parliamentary opposition, has strengthened my resolve and confidence in his leadership, his love of country, and his desire to improve the quality of life of all Guyanese regardless of race or ethnicity. And despite the many accusations made against him by his enemies, I can honestly say unequivocally that Bharrat Jagdeo is not racist.

One lie perpetrated by the APNU+AFC in opposition, now in government, is that Bharrat Jagdeo and former PPP ministers are corrupt and that under the PPP/C administration, billions of dollars were stolen from the treasury.

Another lie perpetrated by the Granger-led administration is that Guyanese are now enjoying the “Good-Life” under the APNU+AFC. But while there is conclusive evidence of massive taxation; high unemployment; the suppression of the rice and sugar industries; an unacceptable surge in the crime rate; a declining economy; a high cost of living; and the devaluation of the Guyana dollar, our citizens are now waking up to the harsh reality because they are the ones suffering under this government. The evidence is everywhere; both PPP and APNU+AFC supporters are suffering alike. Over the years there have been numerous reports, mostly in the pages of Kaieteur News, accusing the government of corruption. The allegations continued, and featured as the main platform of the APNU+AFC coalition on the campaign trail during the 2015 general election. The repeated lies of PPP corruption finally paid off for them. But now that they’re in government and have all the accounting documents at their disposal, where’s the evidence?

Only recently and without evidence, the Head of SARU, Dr Clive Thomas alleged that the PPP stole $305 billion a year during their administration. Yet the government refused to support the PPP/C motion in Parliament to make public the tax declaration and Integrity Commission’s submissions of current and former politicians for the past 10 years. Further, although they have alleged that PPP officials stashed away billions of dollars abroad, they have refused the repeated call by the Leader of the Opposition for the government to hire a firm specialized in tracking hidden assets.

Editor, I’m confident that some of your readers never thought that they could ever own a house-lot, a home, a car or mini-bus in their lifetime, but are now enjoying the fruits of successive PPP/C administrations that made it possible for them to do so. These necessities were only a dream for most Guyanese before the PPP took office in 1992. Because of the PPP, the landscape of the Guyana coastline was transformed to reflect the progress the country enjoyed then. Infrastructural and economic development can be seen nationwide, and Guyanese were enjoying the good life. Foreign exchange was abundant and through good governance and a growing, stable economy, commercial banks were all too willing to give mortgages to new and existing homeowners, and loans to buy vehicles. Development was so commonplace that most Guyanese took them for granted: New schools; a new Berbice River Bridge; new roads and bridges; new hospitals and health centres with ambulances and modern medical equipment; a new Police Training Centre; new police vehicles and modern technology to fight crime; a new forensic lab; a new cricket stadium and other sports facilities: incentives given to the private sector for job creation; and a brand new Marriott Hotel that the APNU+AFC once opposed but now use as their own personal playground.

Surely the PPP/C government faced serious problems with a rising crime rate and poor student grades at CXC in Maths and English to name a few, but Guyana was able to accomplish what perhaps no other nation has been able to achieve given the economic state of the country. Editor, it took the efficient and effective management of the nation’s financial resources and the wizardry of Bharrat Jagdeo who became Senior Minister of Finance in May 1995, and President of Guyana on August 11, 1999 to stabilize the Guyana economy and produce growth and development.

In March 2007, it was Bharrat Jagdeo and others who successfully negotiated with the Inter-American Development Bank, Guyana’s principal donor, to cancel Guyana’s US$467 million debt, equivalent to 21% of GDP, which along with other Highly Indebted Poor Country debt forgiveness, brought the debt-to-GDP ratio down to 50% in 2015 under the PPP/C. By contrast, Jamaica and Barbados recorded much higher debt-to-GDP ratios of 140 and 115 per cent respectively in 2015.

During the 23 years of PPP rule, there was a dramatic increase in the per capita Gross Domestic Product purchasing power parity. In 1992, the per capita GDP (PPP) was US$509.37. In 2014 under the PPP/C, the CIA estimated Guyana’s per capita GDP at US$7,500.

The inflation rate of the Guyana dollar in relation to the US dollar had been stabilised. From a massive 3150% during the PNC era, to 66% under the PPP. This represents a massive reduction in inflation or an average inflation of 2.9% in comparison to the US$.

Under Jagdeo and the PPP, Guyana experienced tremendous growth in the standard of living; life expectancy; economic stability; and the distribution of over 100,000 house-lots. There has also been an increase in the overall standard of living as shown by the Human Development Index -HDI. Between 1990 and 2015, Guyana’s HDI value increased from 0.541 to 0.638, an increase of 17.9 percent. The HDI measures three basic dimensions of human development: a long and healthy life, access to knowledge and a decent standard of living.

In 1990, the average life expectancy was 63.5 years. By 2015, this figure had increased to 66.5 years due to tremendous improvements in the diagnostic capabilities and overall improvement in the health sector.

Editor, these accomplishments did not occur by mistake, it was the prudent management of our economic resources by the brilliant economist, Bharrat Jagdeo followed by Dr Ashni Singh that brought prosperity and development to Guyana. My point is, if indeed the Jagdeo and Ramotar administrations were so corrupt, where did all the money come from to accomplish what has been achieved given the infrastructural ruins left by the PNC government in 1992. It just doesn’t add up. People must learn to think for themselves rather than parroting the lies perpetrated by the APNU+AFC coalition government without facts.

I challenge anyone with hard evidence that would prove Bharrat Jagdeo stole money from the taxpayers of this country to enrich himself, to produce such evidence to the police or SARU. For with all the billions he is accused of stealing, that should not be difficult to do. The APNU+AFC administration spent about $130 million of taxpayers money on 45 forensic audits, conducted by auditors who are no friends of Jagdeo or the PPP, to find evidence of corruption under successive PPP administrations, and all they can come up with is to have the former President illegally arrested for paying for land in Pradoville 2 below market value. When one considers that all of the 100,000 house lots distributed to Guyanese by the PPP/C were sold below market value, the arrests of the former President and PPP ministers were undoubtedly a political which-hunt.

Like all of us, Bharrat Jagdeo is not a perfect human being. But his vision and sound economic policies had brought prosperity to our country that was left in ruins by some of the same players who feature prominently in APNU today. I would like to believe that the mistakes he made while in office were not intentional, but rather appear to be the best course of action presented to him at the time. God knows I’ve made my share of mistakes too, and so have all of those reading this. But Guyana needs the vision, experience, expertise and leadership that Dr Jagdeo is gifted with. I believe in his ability to restore the prosperity Guyanese once enjoyed before the 2015 general elections. He has extended an olive branch to those who were deceived by the AFC and has made it very clear that the PPP is multi-ethnic, multi-racial and an all-inclusive party. Believe me, I wouldn’t be writing this if I didn’t believe this to be true!

Yours faithfully,

Harry Gill, MP

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What's going on today, is either people getting BAD, or the admin is closing down the site, THREE CLOSED BLOGS!!!!! come on guys let's be civil. it's an honor to be here, treat it with respect.

K
kp posted:

What's going on today, is either people getting BAD, or the admin is closing down the site, THREE CLOSED BLOGS!!!!! come on guys let's be civil. it's an honor to be here, treat it with respect.

Which 3?

GTAngler
kp posted:

Guyana needs the vision!

Yours faithfully,

Harry Gill, MP

Harry, erstwhile  PPP hater, and then PPP soup slurper is missing his soup spigot with this crap. Guyana needs Jagdeo as the Philippines need Markos, or Peru needs Fujimori, or Indonesia needs Suharto, or Haiti needs a Papa Doc. If corruption was a proper noun it would be called Jagdeo.

FM
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D2 posted:
 
 

 Guyana needs Jagdeo as the Philippines need Markos, or Peru needs Fujimori, or Indonesia needs Suharto, or Haiti needs a Papa Doc. 

Or Chile needs Pinochet, or Germany needs Hitler, or Russia needs Stalin, or North Korea needs Kim Jung Un.

FM
D2 posted:
kp posted:

Guyana needs the vision!

Yours faithfully,

Harry Gill, MP

Harry, erstwhile  PPP hater, and then PPP soup slurper is missing his soup spigot with this crap. Guyana needs Jagdeo as the Philippines need Markos, or Peru needs Fujimori, or Indonesia needs Suharto, or Haiti needs a Papa Doc. If corruption was a proper noun it would be called Jagdeo.

Stormy talking trash!!! The economy expanded under Jagdeo and tens of thousands were lifted out of poverty. That trend is being reversed under the so-called coalition government.  Pull your head out of the sand and see the truth and speak the truth. Pushing Congress propaganda has dampened your image is a critic of Guyana's politics. 

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
D2 posted:
kp posted:

Guyana needs the vision!

Yours faithfully,

Harry Gill, MP

Harry, erstwhile  PPP hater, and then PPP soup slurper is missing his soup spigot with this crap. Guyana needs Jagdeo as the Philippines need Markos, or Peru needs Fujimori, or Indonesia needs Suharto, or Haiti needs a Papa Doc. If corruption was a proper noun it would be called Jagdeo.

Stormy talking trash!!! The economy expanded under Jagdeo and tens of thousands were lifted out of poverty. That trend is being reversed under the so-called coalition government.  Pull your head out of the sand and see the truth and speak the truth. Pushing Congress propaganda has dampened your image is a critic of Guyana's politics. 

That was already discussed here...drug money.

cain
Nehru posted:

Compare the the pure CRAP we currently have, Jagdeo will be like replacing sewer content with sparkling diamonds!!!!!

So basically the lesser of two evils? There is no one else in the PPP capable of running Guyana albeit a la Jagdeo since he will be in the background actually controlling everything as he did with Ramoutar? Jagdeo has already had his third term.

GTAngler
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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
D2 posted:
kp posted:

Guyana needs the vision!

Yours faithfully,

Harry Gill, MP

Harry, erstwhile  PPP hater, and then PPP soup slurper is missing his soup spigot with this crap. Guyana needs Jagdeo as the Philippines need Markos, or Peru needs Fujimori, or Indonesia needs Suharto, or Haiti needs a Papa Doc. If corruption was a proper noun it would be called Jagdeo.

Stormy talking trash!!! The economy expanded under Jagdeo and tens of thousands were lifted out of poverty. That trend is being reversed under the so-called coalition government.  Pull your head out of the sand and see the truth and speak the truth. Pushing Congress propaganda has dampened your image is a critic of Guyana's politics. 

If you borrow a lot of money, spend it indiscriminately, permit the rise of a drug culture, and maximize crony capitalism you will indeed see a commensurate rise in economic out put but is that good government? Check out the innumerable failures inclusive of all our native industries that occurred under him. Look into the give away of our assets to his chinese and indian friends.

The Granger government will inevitably be a part of an expansion of government and the economy tens of time if the new "drug money", oil.  comes in but would that be sufficient to say the nation is on the right path without looking to other factors? 

You and the rest of the inebriated fools here who reduce every complaint of poor administration to some collusion with "congress place" are the tacit facilitators of horrible racist governments.

For your information, I write as Iggi on Stabroek news where there are lots of more sensible people participating, check and see if what I say constitute messages from congress place.

My head is firmly planted on my shoulders and it is the servile ethnic driven clansmen here who need to be more reflective. Jagdeo is a crook and if he heads the PPP into the next election I will donate, campaign, and in every way try to ensure he never gets back into office. 

 

FM
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GTAngler posted:
Nehru posted:

Compare the the pure CRAP we currently have, Jagdeo will be like replacing sewer content with sparkling diamonds!!!!!

So basically the lesser of two evils? There is no one else in the PPP capable of running Guyana albeit a la Jagdeo since he will be in the background actually controlling everything as he did with Ramoutar? Jagdeo has already had his third term.

Jagdeo tenure is tainted Drug lord running the show,extra judicial killings,Minister of Government killed,cronyism..the list goes on,all the good he has done is wiped out.

In the beginning i had great respect for him although became President thru the backdoor,I was hoping as a young man he would have unified the nation,it never happened.

He should have taken a back seat,there are reasons why he has chosen the forefront,anyone who did deep will get the answer.

Django
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President Jagdeo is President for life of Indo Guyana. He does not need an official title because his title is in the hearts and minds of Indo Guyanese. Long live the President.

 

Prashad
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D2 posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
D2 posted:
kp posted:

Guyana needs the vision!

Yours faithfully,

Harry Gill, MP

Harry, erstwhile  PPP hater, and then PPP soup slurper is missing his soup spigot with this crap. Guyana needs Jagdeo as the Philippines need Markos, or Peru needs Fujimori, or Indonesia needs Suharto, or Haiti needs a Papa Doc. If corruption was a proper noun it would be called Jagdeo.

Stormy talking trash!!! The economy expanded under Jagdeo and tens of thousands were lifted out of poverty. That trend is being reversed under the so-called coalition government.  Pull your head out of the sand and see the truth and speak the truth. Pushing Congress propaganda has dampened your image is a critic of Guyana's politics. 

If you borrow a lot of money, spend it indiscriminately, permit the rise of a drug culture, and maximize crony capitalism you will indeed see a commensurate rise in economic out put but is that good government? Check out the innumerable failures inclusive of all our native industries that occurred under him. Look into the give away of our assets to his chinese and indian friends.

The Granger government will inevitably be a part of an expansion of government and the economy tens of time if the new "drug money", oil.  comes in but would that be sufficient to say the nation is on the right path without looking to other factors? 

You and the rest of the inebriated fools here who reduce every complaint of poor administration to some collusion with "congress place" are the tacit facilitators of horrible racist governments.

For your information, I write as Iggi on Stabroek news where there are lots of more sensible people participating, check and see if what I say constitute messages from congress place.

My head is firmly planted on my shoulders and it is the servile ethnic driven clansmen here who need to be more reflective. Jagdeo is a crook and if he heads the PPP into the next election I will donate, campaign, and in every way try to ensure he never gets back into office. 

 

If the drug trade was permitted by the Jagdeo government why does it continue on the same or even greater scale under this government?  His gov't. was able to borrow more based on the fact that international banks recognized a greatly improved economy where local businesses and wage earners were able to borrow at competitive rates - something that was major hindrance to local economic growth in Guyana for decades. Guyana became a middle income country under Jagdeo. Tell it to your friends.  After 23 years in government the GDP of Guyana grew ten times its size.  You can argue that the drug trade expanded, crime increased, the money wasted on many projects during his time in government, but you and your ilk cannot obliterate the positive achievements of the PPP/Civic.  

Today, Guyanese who voted for the coalition are already disgusted with the performance of the economy and the crafty and bullying nature of the PNC.  They are complaining that the AFC's leaders hands are tied and they cannot do anything for them.  They are asking about the 20 billion dollars annual savings from PPP corruption that Ramjattan promised to use to build infra-structures and raise the minimum wage by 20%. Even worse they are shocked at Clive Thomas' claim that the PPP was stealing 300 hundred billion per year as opposed to Ramjattan's claim of 20 billion.  Who do you believe?  I don't think you are that stupid to buy this BS that they people are being fed it. Many on this forum are deeply disappointed with the way Guyana is being governed.  The ghost of LFS Burnham has been awaken and the creep's name and ideas are haunting the land again. 

The problem of rigged elections killed this country economically, politically, and socially. Our prestige as a Caribbean nation was compromised under the rule of LFS Burnham. His suppression of freedom of press put a dent on the psyche of our people - people cannot think and rationalize properly for themselves.  This began to change under Hoyte after the Stabroek News came on stream and allowed many independent writers to enlighten people with ideas. Freedom of press got a rocket boost under the PPP where everyone became fearless to lash out against government on Sharma's television or Capitol News with worrying about General Jagdeo sending his henchmen to get you. GECOM was funded by the US and still is.The PPP went along with GECOM and never tampered with the electoral process.  Today, the Granger government has already begun to tamper with the electoral process like what LFS did with the independent election commission after taking power in 1964.  

We never worried about tyranny under the PPP.  We worry about it under the PNC because of their dirty record and the present machinations by this government to control GECOM and rob the Guyanese of their right to freely elect a government of their choice.

You can keep jumping and bouncing with your fanciful writings on this forum. That is not going the change the reality of Guyana going down economically and becoming once again a state governed by a tyrannical regime.  

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

If the drug trade was permitted by the Jagdeo government why does it continue on the same or even greater scale under this government?  His gov't. was able to borrow more based on the fact that international banks recognized a greatly improved economy where local businesses and wage earners were able to borrow at competitive rates - something that was major hindrance to local economic growth in Guyana for decades. Guyana became a middle income country under Jagdeo. Tell it to your friends.  After 23 years in government the GDP of Guyana grew ten times its size.  You can argue that the drug trade expanded, crime increased, the money wasted on many projects during his time in government, but you and your ilk cannot obliterate the positive achievements of the PPP/Civic.  

Today, Guyanese who voted for the coalition are already disgusted with the performance of the economy and the crafty and bullying nature of the PNC.  They are complaining that the AFC's leaders hands are tied and they cannot do anything for them.  They are asking about the 20 billion dollars annual savings from PPP corruption that Ramjattan promised to use to build infra-structures and raise the minimum wage by 20%. Even worse they are shocked at Clive Thomas' claim that the PPP was stealing 300 hundred billion per year as opposed to Ramjattan's claim of 20 billion.  Who do you believe?  I don't think you are that stupid to buy this BS that they people are being fed it. Many on this forum are deeply disappointed with the way Guyana is being governed.  The ghost of LFS Burnham has been awaken and the creep's name and ideas are haunting the land again. 

The problem of rigged elections killed this country economically, politically, and socially. Our prestige as a Caribbean nation was compromised under the rule of LFS Burnham. His suppression of freedom of press put a dent on the psyche of our people - people cannot think and rationalize properly for themselves.  This began to change under Hoyte after the Stabroek News came on stream and allowed many independent writers to enlighten people with ideas. Freedom of press got a rocket boost under the PPP where everyone became fearless to lash out against government on Sharma's television or Capitol News with worrying about General Jagdeo sending his henchmen to get you. GECOM was funded by the US and still is.The PPP went along with GECOM and never tampered with the electoral process.  Today, the Granger government has already begun to tamper with the electoral process like what LFS did with the independent election commission after taking power in 1964.  

We never worried about tyranny under the PPP.  We worry about it under the PNC because of their dirty record and the present machinations by this government to control GECOM and rob the Guyanese of their right to freely elect a government of their choice.

You can keep jumping and bouncing with your fanciful writings on this forum. That is not going the change the reality of Guyana going down economically and becoming once again a state governed by a tyrannical regime.  

Why would the current regime want to continue the drug culture that was benignly cultivated through the PPP era with the tacit understanding that they will not do anything about it for the tangential inflow of cash hence “benefits”? This regime has instead brought in the DEA and ran out a few of the active drug lords and now cultivates a no tolerance attitude.

Coming out of the Burnham era, was a two-fold avenue for better for us. The world changed. The Berlin wall fell the Soviet Union disintegrated; Hoyte’s ERA ushered in a new dispensation which saw capital mobilization everywhere. Given western sanction had us in the same place as Cuba, that change was a Guyanese spring.

 It is this benefaction of the west that saw the easy facilitation of loans etc. The economy was already on the rebound when the PPP came in. The expectation was they would do more. Instead, after 23 years, we are with 40 percent of our people in extreme poverty (inclusive of Amerinds who are in the dire range of 70% impoverished) Only the PPP friends and family got rich. The PPP party members became obscenely rich to a man.

No one wants to obliterate gains anywhere but when it was built on shaky foundations of crony capitalism, and a drug culture, one of necessity wants and expects change means turning away from things as usual.  No one expects the withdrawal symptoms will be easy and while if one one is leery about Granger et al, one knows that the other side is diseased so one can only expect better.

 I am in no position to gauge the depth of loss due to crony capitalism, and wanton appropriation of the nation’s assets.  I will speak when I know for sure. The reality is it is wide and it is deep. Crony capitalism left us stuck with 35 million US bill for one project under Ramotar’s son. We also know an industry of smuggled gold was in place. The US is currently investigating that. In the end, the number as to the depth of our loss will be out and I guarantee it will be chilling. It is why these crooks should not get in again for another 2 or three terms and until the PPP self-disinfects.

I do not care to talk about Burnham. I spoke of him ad nauseaum. As for tyranny…nothing is more egregious as the state ignoring the law and constituting its own extrajudicial regime which acted as judge and jury murdering hundreds. That is the PPP’s history.

 Guyana will not be transformed by the present composition the PPP. It is a de facto cartel of crooks. I am not taking a chance on them. I rather sit on my raft and try to survive with proxy Jesus Granger.  I have a better chance of escaping with no serious injury if we do go over a falls.

FM

"Guyana will not be transformed by the present composition the PPP. It is a de facto cartel of crooks. I am not taking a chance on them. I rather sit on my raft and try to survive with proxy Jesus Granger.  I have a better chance of escaping with no serious injury if we do go over a falls."

I see you are playing Russian Roulette on Makanaima's Ark sailing down the Potaro River where the end is an unmarked sepulcher.

Anyway, what you wrote is in line with the anti-PPP propaganda that is designed to persuade rather than to shed light on the realities of the country.  It's meant to win over those who are ill-informed or not informed at all. For example, you accused the government of using death squads on its people. You did not speak about what led to the use of force by the government nor do you state the fact that the people targeted by the Phantoms were hard-cored criminals who robbed, kidnapped, and killed hundreds of innocent people including 22 police officers. The Buxton conspiracy, a series of essays written by Freddie Kissoon, captured the whole issue from inception to the end when the Phantoms scored big and saved the day. Kissoon mentioned the anti-Indian hate that was instilled in the youths at the Gulf in Buxton. These people were indoctrinated and trained to kill people of Indian descent. They stopped cars and buses on the East Coast Highway and terrorized the occupants. The army was called to stop the carnage but they did not do what they were supposed to do since they were mostly blacks and the criminals were of the same ethnic group. 

The government had no choice but to resort to another method to save lives. The Phantom saved many lives.  Your screams of extra-judicial killing is nothing new. You are parroting from those who has no interest in a free and democratic Guyana where all can live and prosper in peace. I have no reason give any credence to the nonsense you have been pushing on this forum. Your influence as a great contributor to the daily political discussions has waned significantly.  No amount of smarts can save you when you brazenly take an unprincipled stand on issues that involve the security and safety of people. 

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
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Stormy talking trash!!! The economy expanded under Jagdeo .

If you are literate enough you will see that the economy enjoyed very strong growth from 91-99 and then stalled, some years even declining, until rescued by gold prices around 2007.

So in fact Jagdeo was an economic DISASTER!

FM
Prashad posted:

All East Indian Guyanese should refer to President Jagdeo as the President of Indo Guyana. Which he is. Long live President Jagdeo.

 

Given that over 60% of the population are NOT Indian therefore Jagdeo should NOT be president of Guyana. This using your ethnically based logic.

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

.. The Phantom saved many lives.  .. 

And what do you think that these criminals, who were armed and paid by Jagdeo's Indocrats, are doing now that they are no longer in the service of these people?  Singing in church choirs?

FM
caribny posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

.. The Phantom saved many lives.  .. 

And what do you think that these criminals, who were armed and paid by Jagdeo's Indocrats, are doing now that they are no longer in the service of these people?  Singing in church choirs?

The carib got a point there. It all comes down to usa dollars. When money talks brother bull sh-t walks.

Prashad
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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

"Guyana will not be transformed by the present composition the PPP. It is a de facto cartel of crooks. I am not taking a chance on them. I rather sit on my raft and try to survive with proxy Jesus Granger.  I have a better chance of escaping with no serious injury if we do go over a falls."

I see you are playing Russian Roulette on Makanaima's Ark sailing down the Potaro River where the end is an unmarked sepulcher.

Anyway, what you wrote is in line with the anti-PPP propaganda that is designed to persuade rather than to shed light on the realities of the country.  It's meant to win over those who are ill-informed or not informed at all. For example, you accused the government of using death squads on its people. You did not speak about what led to the use of force by the government nor do you state the fact that the people targeted by the Phantoms were hard-cored criminals who robbed, kidnapped, and killed hundreds of innocent people including 22 police officers. The Buxton conspiracy, a series of essays written by Freddie Kissoon, captured the whole issue from inception to the end when the Phantoms scored big and saved the day. Kissoon mentioned the anti-Indian hate that was instilled in the youths at the Gulf in Buxton. These people were indoctrinated and trained to kill people of Indian descent. They stopped cars and buses on the East Coast Highway and terrorized the occupants. The army was called to stop the carnage but they did not do what they were supposed to do since they were mostly blacks and the criminals were of the same ethnic group. 

The government had no choice but to resort to another method to save lives. The Phantom saved many lives.  Your screams of extra-judicial killing is nothing new. You are parroting from those who has no interest in a free and democratic Guyana where all can live and prosper in peace. I have no reason give any credence to the nonsense you have been pushing on this forum. Your influence as a great contributor to the daily political discussions has waned significantly.  No amount of smarts can save you when you brazenly take an unprincipled stand on issues that involve the security and safety of people. 

As I said, I will take my chances with Granger since he proxies as Jesus. That is a safety factor in its own right. Those alibabas in the PPP will never be a first choice.

I do not know who are the under informed, ill-informed or misinformed. I suggest you look in the mirror. But then again you who like to accuse others of being massagers of agitprop might yourself be in service of the political dark arts department in freedom house.

I am happy you concede the PPP were behind the phantoms. I guess denying that does not have value these days since you plan on selling moral resolve, strength, and fortitude of the Indo pitch-fork platoon. Well, that won't cut it. As long as you go outside the law to kill and maim you are evil. It delegitimizes the regime and makes of them murderers.  Instead of red shirts, they should be wearing brown shirts with bloodied hand prints as their logo. 

You have a perverted view of democracy if you believe the government of the day can murder its citizens, however terrible they determined them to be. There was no formal declaration of rogue insurgents to be apprehended. They simply hired a drug lord and went a-hunting human quarry. Smart people do not murder their charge.

 

 

 

 

FM
Prashad posted:
caribny posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

.. The Phantom saved many lives.  .. 

And what do you think that these criminals, who were armed and paid by Jagdeo's Indocrats, are doing now that they are no longer in the service of these people?  Singing in church choirs?

The carib got a point there. It all comes down to usa dollars. When money talks brother bull sh-t walks.

The PPP frauds need to be honest and admit that this was a war between two drug dealer factions.   The notion that the Phantoms were patriots fighting to preserve law and order in Guyana is a joke.

The Lusignan murders occurred after RK was seized, so what did the mayhem that the Phantoms created achieve?  The PPP did NOTHING to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of the crime fighting apparatus or systems of justice in Guyana even when they were offered assistance from a variety of sources.

Those who were Phantoms are now part of the well financed and well armed criminal cabal terrorizing the entire population with their barbarity.  The use of criminals as a para militia contributed to the coarsening of Guyanese. 

All one needs to see is the mayhem at Stabroek Market and to compare it with comparable areas in other parts of the Caribbean to see where Guyana has descended.  This was NOT the Guyana of the 60s and the 70s!

FM
caribny posted:
Prashad posted:
caribny posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

.. The Phantom saved many lives.  .. 

And what do you think that these criminals, who were armed and paid by Jagdeo's Indocrats, are doing now that they are no longer in the service of these people?  Singing in church choirs?

The carib got a point there. It all comes down to usa dollars. When money talks brother bull sh-t walks.

The PPP frauds need to be honest and admit that this was a war between two drug dealer factions.   The notion that the Phantoms were patriots fighting to preserve law and order in Guyana is a joke.

The Lusignan murders occurred after RK was seized, so what did the mayhem that the Phantoms created achieve?  The PPP did NOTHING to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of the crime fighting apparatus or systems of justice in Guyana even when they were offered assistance from a variety of sources.

Those who were Phantoms are now part of the well financed and well armed criminal cabal terrorizing the entire population with their barbarity.  The use of criminals as a para militia contributed to the coarsening of Guyanese. 

All one needs to see is the mayhem at Stabroek Market and to compare it with comparable areas in other parts of the Caribbean to see where Guyana has descended.  This was NOT the Guyana of the 60s and the 70s!

Actually no.  These killing happen when Fineman lost his girlfriend and accused the GoG of holding her!  He vowed to avenge this and went on a rampage.

Fineman and his gang of ex-GDF members were PNC members who wanted to bring the PPP to their knees.  They failed!

FM
Prashad posted:

President Jagdeo is President for life of Indo Guyana. He does not need an official title because his title is in the hearts and minds of Indo Guyanese. Long live the President.

 

SOME, brother, SOME. May interest you to know that many Indo-Guyanese don't share your enthusiasm and support for Jagdeo. Me included.  

GTAngler
D2 posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
D2 posted:
kp posted:

Guyana needs the vision!

Yours faithfully,

Harry Gill, MP

Harry, erstwhile  PPP hater, and then PPP soup slurper is missing his soup spigot with this crap. Guyana needs Jagdeo as the Philippines need Markos, or Peru needs Fujimori, or Indonesia needs Suharto, or Haiti needs a Papa Doc. If corruption was a proper noun it would be called Jagdeo.

Stormy talking trash!!! The economy expanded under Jagdeo and tens of thousands were lifted out of poverty. That trend is being reversed under the so-called coalition government.  Pull your head out of the sand and see the truth and speak the truth. Pushing Congress propaganda has dampened your image is a critic of Guyana's politics. 

If you borrow a lot of money, spend it indiscriminately, permit the rise of a drug culture, and maximize crony capitalism you will indeed see a commensurate rise in economic out put but is that good government? Check out the innumerable failures inclusive of all our native industries that occurred under him. Look into the give away of our assets to his chinese and indian friends.

The Granger government will inevitably be a part of an expansion of government and the economy tens of time if the new "drug money", oil.  comes in but would that be sufficient to say the nation is on the right path without looking to other factors? 

You and the rest of the inebriated fools here who reduce every complaint of poor administration to some collusion with "congress place" are the tacit facilitators of horrible racist governments.

For your information, I write as Iggi on Stabroek news where there are lots of more sensible people participating, check and see if what I say constitute messages from congress place.

My head is firmly planted on my shoulders and it is the servile ethnic driven clansmen here who need to be more reflective. Jagdeo is a crook and if he heads the PPP into the next election I will donate, campaign, and in every way try to ensure he never gets back into office. 

 

Also, that rise is temporary and when it comes time to pay the piper, they're long gone and get to blame it on the incoming administration.

GTAngler

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