Vote on UN Resolution on Syria…Guyana explains abstention

 Seriously, is Syria even remotely democratic?

I doubt that is the single barometer.  Syria is a complex and serious business and even the US knows the fall-out from an outright collapse.  This is not Libya or Tunisia or Egypt where a monolithic citizenry demanded change of Govt.  We saw the Lebanese civil war and the toll it took over a decade.  Syria will be quantumly larger with far reaching effects well beyond its borders.

We keep hearing that Syria is Alawites, Christians and other dominating a majority Sunni population, yet most of the high-level defections in the Military and Govt are Sunnis.  If the Sunnis are so excluded, how come they hold such vital and forward positions?  I say, there is more than meet the eye in the Syria strife.

That is not what is at issue here. The government of Bahrain is not even "remotely democratic," yet, instead of calling for regime change in Bahrain, the Brits are selling spyware to their government to help them suppress opposition. The "regime change" policy, which has become a regular feature of Anglo-American foreign policy, has nothing to do with democracy, human rights or Weapons of Mass Destruction. It is all geopolitics, and creating a pretext for managing the British and American domestic populations under conditions of economic collapse and privation.

All this has put the US in the ridiculous position of using fear of Al-Qaeda as the justification for police state measures at home, while simultaneously arming them in Libya and Syria.

The Guyanese government is right to insist upon strict adherence to international law.

Why is it when the subject is one one nation the tendency is to say look over there? It is the People that has to do it not outsiders. Syria's problem started when its brutal police shot people for writing anti government graffiti. That boiled over and we have what we have.

Note the hope in 2000 was that Asad's western education may mean a flowering of an new liberal era. Instead, he fell in line with the jackboot mentality, implanted his family and tibial members into political influence and oppressed the Sunnis.  Would he was like king Juan Carlos and ushered in a break with the past. He is the maker of his own demise. BTW, the US is not helping anyone with weapons there.

The PPP government is hedging its bet. It knows in a jiffy its corruption can cause no less a similar reactionary collapse. It is doing exactly what Asad did, consolidating state power and state assets in the hands of kit and kin. The PPP is simply hedging its bets.

Have you personally been doing the delivery for them? No one except you seem to know the US is supplying arms to the Syrian opposition.

he believes...not evidence of anything happening. Are revolution rational events, what the hell is this fool taking of? He is simply restating the same domino theory of the neocons. Unfortunately what the Jihadist could not do  or the west could not do, a fruit vendor did by setting himself on fire. That may be hard for you to believe but it is what it is.

what the AMERICAN should do is send arms to guyana for a coup let jail some of the ppp crime family

Guyana is a democratically elected Govt in a free and fair election whether those who lose chose to see it that way or not.  If you don't like the Govt, go vote you will next election.

Guyana gov't does not agree for Assad to step down? Then what does it believe in, elections in Syria? And can this really happen? Not a chance with Basheer being stubborn. The world is watching and there needs to be change in Syria, and urgently. 

Guyana gov't does not agree for one country to invade another to force "regime change." Especially when the pretext is fraudulent -- the US and UK do not care about dictatorships. They don't attempt to overthrow the regimes in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, etc., because those are puppet dictatorships, not independent dictatorships like Syria. Also don't forget that the pretexts for other "regime change" wars, such as the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, which seemed so credible when you heard them a few hundred thousand times in the media, turned out to be fake. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

Don't laugh, they might be doing it now, or at least they might be funding the AFC like they funded AIFLD in the '60s.

America overthrew a legitimately elected government once already in Guyana. We saw the results that lasted for 28 years. Don't wish this on your worst enemy.

They did not over threw an elected government. They facilitated their ousting using a way of counting votes we still used to day ( and find no fault with) called PR and coalition after the election.

Note, the PPP is using the LFSB electoral system and constitution to stay in power and they have been there 20 years so in a sense the Americans "interfering" is still with us.

Aren't you leaving out three years of disruption by paid rioters who did $40 Million worth of damage to G-Town, leaving 160 people dead and more than 1,000 homes destroyed, culminating in the arrival of British troops and the declaration of a State of Emergency where all political activity was forbidden? Or perhaps that is what you mean by "facilitating."

 The point is an elections removed them from office. By all accounts it was a fair one.

It requires, at least, sixty-six percent of the members of parliament to make this changes to the constitution.

PNC and AFC never took the steps to work with the PPP/C Government to make this change.

I was not aware that pre-1992 there was a two-term limit to the presidency!

What does the term limits have to do with the party remaining in power due to features in our constitution and electoral system facilitating that fact?

Listen you clown, no constitutional rule, not even in the great USA limits the rule of the Party.  Pre-1992 an individual could be "president for life", not anymore.  The PPP remains in power BY POPULAR VOTE which is the standard barometer in most democratic nations.  The fact that the PPP is corrupt and how to address is a different thing, but the suggestion that an ouster is justified is pure nonsense, but then again, why am I surprised at your stance.

 You are dumb as a skunk in this area and ought to focus more on precisely what the present constitutional and electoral system entails to correct that deficit. Ravi dev and his crew, tried to bring it to the national attention albeit under the guise of sneaking consociational federalism through the back door.

The matter is not about the difference then vs now about the tenure of the president but about the executive presidency and closed lists in essentially a one nation constituency. It facilitates the fear driven race based voting patterns where dysfunctional psychological damage is done to people like yourself so much  that you only see the political landscape in terms of PPP vs PNC and not in terms of representation based on merit by people who have a history of work. You do not see the lack of political voice and complete absence of exit strategies in the system.

You can be surprised all you want but it is due plainly to ignorance rather than to clarity. The sequences of events that play out in societies as ours has been studied fairly well.  Popular vote means little then it is about  ethnic majorities in a majoritarian system with winner take all producing uncountable autocracies.

Listen jackass, the discussion started when a poster suggested an unconstitutional removal of the Govt from power.  My response were merely to that fact that it's a elected Govt.  No one says some constitutional enhancements would not add to the betterment of Guyana, but to suggest some armed solution is totally out of line.

I am one who harped constitutional changes, INCLUDING removing the GDF from national political involvement to which nuts like Redux strongly oppose.  Constitutional reform will only come when all aspects of concerns are addressed and a critical element IS the PNC/GDF nexus which STILL exists.  Until all issues are on the table, you go piss upwind.

You are twisting in the wind and flailing for a grounding.  You retorted with a stupid comment on term limits when I suggested  the PPP benefits from american intervention indirectly since they still are in power by what burnham created, our Constitution.

Dont try to trim your sails and not introduce another pathology of the system in the discussion. I am speaking to the disease not its manifestation such as the ignorance you display.

Listen jackass, it was not your comment, it was a comment much earlier in the thread.  Your justification for the 60's events which led to the institution of a long dark history of brutality, oppression and deprivation of the Indian masses came much later.  But as usual, you think you are the most important poster here.  You are NOT you long-winded jackass.

Where did I justify anything? To the contrary I corrected an inaccuracy and highlighted the fact that american intervention has ramifications that still affects us.

An elected government was not ousted. A popular government was thwarted with electoral gerrymandering albeit not illegally so. The fact that electoral systems can be used tactfully to steer outcome in particular direction is what I highlighted.

The fact that the same system with firmer dictatorial powers are in place means the PPP benefits from what was installed then. They said they have no desire to do anything that would take away from their advantage.

Your stupid name calling wont avoid the fact you are simply arguing nonsensically.

As I said, MY comment was to the poster who suggested an "armed" solution to the PPP rule.

Correction: D2 think he is the most important two posters here.

I see you have been into licking toads again. There is only one of me.

The PPP approached Assad for financial help in their efforts to wipe out the black population in Guyana. Jagdeo himself traveled to Syria in search of chemical weapons.

One in person.

Multiple as posters on GNI.

then you are paranoid delusional in addition to senile.

As Stormborn again makes a storm about his paranoid, senile and delusional conditions.

I told you, don't wait to die to go to greener pastures. That concrete jungle is warping your mind. It is the only explanation one can have for the above.

I still get surprised occasionally at the stupidness people will post on this board.

As Stormborn grunts to himself in front of the mirror.

You always elicit wonder and awe Rahaim;  age has done no more than make you a highly polished and confusing contrarian?

Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Originally Posted by Stormborn:

Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

As Stormborn again makes a storm about his paranoid, senile and delusional conditions.

I told you, don't wait to die to go to greener pastures. That concrete jungle is warping your mind. It is the only explanation one can have for the above.

As Stormborn grunts to himself in front of the mirror.

.... age has done no more than make you a highly polished and confusing contrarian?

As Stormborn mutters to and questions himself.

Originally Posted by Stormborn:

Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Originally Posted by Stormborn:

Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

As Stormborn again makes a storm about his paranoid, senile and delusional conditions.

I told you, don't wait to die to go to greener pastures. That concrete jungle is warping your mind. It is the only explanation one can have for the above.

As Stormborn grunts to himself in front of the mirror.

.... age has done no more than make you a highly polished and confusing contrarian?

As Stormborn mutters to and questions himself.

as uncreative as an old dog in a trailer park.