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Originally Posted by Wally:
In my city of Bullhead Arizona I have little choice. But there are other cities such as in Texas where there is deregulation and there is competition between the electricity companies.

 

Demerara guy should know this because he lives most of the year in Canada where there is deregulation in some cities.

 

As long as there is no price fixing and there is true competition (unlike Enron) between power companies then the consumers will benefit.

Indeed, there is very little or no competition in smaller areas, whether in Canada or the US_of_A.

 

However, due to deregulation, individuals in numerous areas, especially the larger cities, towns and other locations, individuals have the option to choose companies.

 

For example, in my area, a person needs to give one month's notice to his/her company and then switch to another company for the supply of electricity. Numerous years ago, companies were restricted to providing power ONLY to the local confined communities. For a long time now, a company not only provides electricity to the said local areas, but also to all areas of Canada, US_of_A, etc.. The current President and CEO of the Canadian company is a US_of_A citizen who occupied the position about three months ago.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Wally:

One company that I have been looking at is Tidal Energy PTY LTD.  They have this Davidson Hill Venturi turbine that looks very promising for generating energy off of the Atlantic and feeding it into the electricity system in Georgetown.

Interesting! Wally, Guyana is so close to the equator. Why not Solar power?

Oh lord, another katahar idea.

Your shoe size exceeds your IQ. No wonder your mother treats you like a step son.

STARR Solar Energy

starr_solar_smThe greatest challenge we face today is Climate Change - created primarily from the excess use of fossil fuel. And, the best opportunity we have to conquer this is by harnessing our future power from Renewable Energy. Wind Turbine, Solar Panels, Hydroelectric, Geothermal etc. are some of the more popular options. However, in Guyana, Solar Energy is the most practical and economical application to employ. Solar Energy harnessing helps us save on our monthly utility bills, reduces our carbon footprint, protect our environment, and, empower us for our next career path. STARR COMPUTERS Inc (STARR) has taken up the challenge in Guyana to promote Alternative Energy and to play its part in helping to save the earth and create new employment opportunities.

Electricity will continue to rise and production cost will escalate on an annual basis, while survival will become unbearable if we continue to depend on fossil fuel. And eventually we face the threat of joining many other nations in the struggle to survive in a hostile climate rebellion. Guyana is strategically located north of the equator with an abundance of sunlight throughout the year. And, we hold the key at this precise time in history to make a difference for our future generation by turning towards Alternative Energy – simply by harnessing photons from sunlight to generate Solar Energy.
A Solar Power System consists of an array of Solar Panels, a charge controller, an inverter, and, a few batteries to store energy. This system can be as basic as we choose for personal use, or, as large as we prefer for an income generation opportunity.

Renewable Energy is reliable, clean and, safe. While its upfront capital cost may be considered high, a cost benefit analysis has shown that the investment can be recovered from savings over five years of use in Guyana. And, with a 20+ years guarantee on the Solar Panels give you 15 years of free energy usage thereafter. Furthermore if legislation is passed to allow a return of excess power to the local electrical grid via a smart Inverter, then this new incentive will substantially and additionally reduce our cost and increase our savings. Most importantly, this will help Guyana to reduce its foreign Exchange depletion.

solar_panelSTARR has partnered with a group of international manufacturers and engineers, and, our local financial Institution to find ways and means to make Renewable Energy affordable, reliable and safe for all in Guyana.  STARR had already taken the initiative of powering itself from Renewable Energy using a hybrid system consisting of Wind and Sun application.
Through an ongoing program in Guyana, STARR offers free educational seminars and field trips to the public at its facilities at 59 Brickdam, Georgetown. The free Seminar includes forty five minutes of presentation in its training room, a field trip to its Solar Showroom, and, it’s Roof Garden for a demonstration of its Wind Turbine and Sun-tracking Solar Panel installation.  
Participants continue to express a high degree of appreciation and excitement for this initiative taken by STARR in leading the way for a cleaner source of energy.

To learn more, please visit STARR COMPUTER and register for our free seminar.

 
 
 
 
Mitwah
Originally Posted by Sunil:

Guyana should look into offshore windmills along the coast.

I advocated wind farms for Guyana a decade ago. I don't buy the argument that Guyana doesn't have sufficient wind flow to sustain power-generating windmills. There are wind farms in inland parts of Canada, far from the Atlantic or Pacific oceans.

Guyana's 200-mile ocean front has many points where wind blows continually, 24/7. With appropriate energy-storage facilities connected to the windmills, electricity could be distributed to thousands of consumers.

 

FM
Originally Posted by Wally:
Under true deregulation the energy is usually supplied by several companies in competition with each other for customers.

 

The wires,meters and poles are owned and maintained by a different company for a fee.

 

The meter reading, billing and financial records are done by a different company for a fee.

 

So there is true competition without forcing the customer to take it or leave it.

Correct Wally .. basically the same approach here.

FM

DG, I like this approach providing the energy companies are in true competition with each other and not meeting in secret to fix the price.  I saw a documentary on EN-RON once when they would just turn off their power generation plants and call it brown out when the cost of electricity was too low or let a fire continue to burn in one of their plants so that they can take it out of the system so that the price of electricity would rise.

 

It would be good if we have this system in Guyana some day.  With GEC just doing the poles,meters and billing.  Other companies generating and selling electricity in competition.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Sunil:

Guyana should look into offshore windmills along the coast.

I advocated wind farms for Guyana a decade ago. I don't buy the argument that Guyana doesn't have sufficient wind flow to sustain power-generating windmills. There are wind farms in inland parts of Canada, far from the Atlantic or Pacific oceans.

Guyana's 200-mile ocean front has many points where wind blows continually, 24/7. With appropriate energy-storage facilities connected to the windmills, electricity could be distributed to thousands of consumers.

 

Book, those scandanavian countries are big into windmills.  They have thousands of wind mills in farms in the Ocean which generate a huge amount of electricity. It would be good if they can help Guyana set up and maintain several wind farms on the Atlantic coast.

 

I live mostly in Bullhead Arizona during the year so I have seen the Nevada, Arizona and Utah desert areas.  For the life of me I cannot see why those desert areas in these states where the sun shines most of the year is not covered with solar panels.  There is nothing there except miles and miles of desert which have desert shrub, some small animals and  very hot sunshine beating down on the desert.  It makes me think of the power of the oil lobby.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Wally:

If you got a better idea that is cheaper and would not put this country with such a small population at debt risk then let us hear it.

 

like I said before: We should not make this hydro power issue a political issue or a PNC/PPP/AFC bashout because it clouds our business sense.

 

Stick to the four issues. Building/maintaining cost, debt load, strategic power supply and location.


Good Idea wally......But the Black PNC House of Isreal Thugs....and Jagdeo and Ramotar Crab Louse will not agree with you....

according to them everything he do is perfect....

If eee give a man with a pooja store US$15 million....

and get a cut back....and that's perfectly ok.

FM
Originally Posted by Wally:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Sunil:

Guyana should look into offshore windmills along the coast.

I advocated wind farms for Guyana a decade ago. I don't buy the argument that Guyana doesn't have sufficient wind flow to sustain power-generating windmills. There are wind farms in inland parts of Canada, far from the Atlantic or Pacific oceans.

Guyana's 200-mile ocean front has many points where wind blows continually, 24/7. With appropriate energy-storage facilities connected to the windmills, electricity could be distributed to thousands of consumers.

 

Book, those scandanavian countries are big into windmills.  They have thousands of wind mills in farms in the Ocean which generate a huge amount of electricity. It would be good if they can help Guyana set up and maintain several wind farms on the Atlantic coast.

 

I live mostly in Bullhead Arizona during the year so I have seen the Nevada, Arizona and Utah desert areas.  For the life of me I cannot see why those desert areas in these states where the sun shines most of the year is not covered with solar panels.  There is nothing there except miles and miles of desert which have desert shrub, some small animals and  very hot sunshine beating down on the desert.  It makes me think of the power of the oil lobby.

Which developing nation has deployed wind farms or solar in earnest. These sources are heavily subsidized by the Govt. As I said, you find them in wealthy developed nations.  China is deploying Solar but it's only because China is now the largest panel producer and demand is falling overseas.  Still it's a miniscule part of they power supply and highly subsidized.  India looked at all those options and sent for Hydro and Nuclear.

FM

STARR Solar Energy

starr_solar_smThe greatest challenge we face today is Climate Change - created primarily from the excess use of fossil fuel. And, the best opportunity we have to conquer this is by harnessing our future power from Renewable Energy. Wind Turbine, Solar Panels, Hydroelectric, Geothermal etc. are some of the more popular options. However, in Guyana, Solar Energy is the most practical and economical application to employ. Solar Energy harnessing helps us save on our monthly utility bills, reduces our carbon footprint, protect our environment, and, empower us for our next career path. STARR COMPUTERS Inc (STARR) has taken up the challenge in Guyana to promote Alternative Energy and to play its part in helping to save the earth and create new employment opportunities.

Electricity will continue to rise and production cost will escalate on an annual basis, while survival will become unbearable if we continue to depend on fossil fuel. And eventually we face the threat of joining many other nations in the struggle to survive in a hostile climate rebellion. Guyana is strategically located north of the equator with an abundance of sunlight throughout the year. And, we hold the key at this precise time in history to make a difference for our future generation by turning towards Alternative Energy – simply by harnessing photons from sunlight to generate Solar Energy.
A Solar Power System consists of an array of Solar Panels, a charge controller, an inverter, and, a few batteries to store energy. This system can be as basic as we choose for personal use, or, as large as we prefer for an income generation opportunity.

Renewable Energy is reliable, clean and, safe. While its upfront capital cost may be considered high, a cost benefit analysis has shown that the investment can be recovered from savings over five years of use in Guyana. And, with a 20+ years guarantee on the Solar Panels give you 15 years of free energy usage thereafter. Furthermore if legislation is passed to allow a return of excess power to the local electrical grid via a smart Inverter, then this new incentive will substantially and additionally reduce our cost and increase our savings. Most importantly, this will help Guyana to reduce its foreign Exchange depletion.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

STARR Solar Energy

starr_solar_smThe greatest challenge we face today is Climate Change - created primarily from the excess use of fossil fuel. And, the best opportunity we have to conquer this is by harnessing our future power from Renewable Energy. Wind Turbine, Solar Panels, Hydroelectric, Geothermal etc. are some of the more popular options. However, in Guyana, Solar Energy is the most practical and economical application to employ. Solar Energy harnessing helps us save on our monthly utility bills, reduces our carbon footprint, protect our environment, and, empower us for our next career path. STARR COMPUTERS Inc (STARR) has taken up the challenge in Guyana to promote Alternative Energy and to play its part in helping to save the earth and create new employment opportunities.

Electricity will continue to rise and production cost will escalate on an annual basis, while survival will become unbearable if we continue to depend on fossil fuel. And eventually we face the threat of joining many other nations in the struggle to survive in a hostile climate rebellion. Guyana is strategically located north of the equator with an abundance of sunlight throughout the year. And, we hold the key at this precise time in history to make a difference for our future generation by turning towards Alternative Energy – simply by harnessing photons from sunlight to generate Solar Energy.
A Solar Power System consists of an array of Solar Panels, a charge controller, an inverter, and, a few batteries to store energy. This system can be as basic as we choose for personal use, or, as large as we prefer for an income generation opportunity.

Renewable Energy is reliable, clean and, safe. While its upfront capital cost may be considered high, a cost benefit analysis has shown that the investment can be recovered from savings over five years of use in Guyana. And, with a 20+ years guarantee on the Solar Panels give you 15 years of free energy usage thereafter. Furthermore if legislation is passed to allow a return of excess power to the local electrical grid via a smart Inverter, then this new incentive will substantially and additionally reduce our cost and increase our savings. Most importantly, this will help Guyana to reduce its foreign Exchange depletion.

Who proposing/promoting that?  Why Guyana, why not take it to Brazil, India, Singapore, Thailand, many African nations, etc...nations with similar sunlight and trying to reduce fossil usage!

 

Solar has not yet come of age, it's still a niche for the rich and highly subsidize.

FM
Originally Posted by Wally:

The Hydro is good as long as the government gets it for a good price.  When I mean good price I mean everything for under 100 million US dollars. That way, the country got the Norway money as a backup to fully pay for it if they have trouble paying the loan in the future.

Go present the case for $100 mil.

FM

You have to play hard ball with these foreigners.  Tell them build it for under $100 million take it or leave it. Not a penny more. Who is going to turn down that type of money coming in to their company balance sheet. The government has got to be careful that the company does not hold the project hostage for more money.

FM
Originally Posted by Wally:

You have to play hard ball with these foreigners.  Tell them build it for under $100 million take it or leave it. Not a penny more. Who is going to turn down that type of money coming in to their company balance sheet. The government has got to be careful that the company does not hold the project hostage for more money.

Good Luck!!

FM
Originally Posted by Wally:

You have to play hard ball with these foreigners.  Tell them build it for under $100 million take it or leave it. Not a penny more. Who is going to turn down that type of money coming in to their company balance sheet. The government has got to be careful that the company does not hold the project hostage for more money.

Business dont work that way. You have to accept bids and have the PNC analyse the financials. Hydro is a long term low maintenance investment. The people in Guyana 100 years from now will be praising us if we had built it.

i remember the same argument about the stadium. I see the same argument about a bigger airport.  If you want development you have to spend money.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by TI:
Originally Posted by Wally:

You have to play hard ball with these foreigners.  Tell them build it for under $100 million take it or leave it. Not a penny more. Who is going to turn down that type of money coming in to their company balance sheet. The government has got to be careful that the company does not hold the project hostage for more money.

Business dont work that way. You have to accept bids and have the PNC analyse the financials. Hydro is a long term low maintenance investment. The people in Guyana 100 years from now will be praising us if we had built it.

i remember the same argument about the stadium. I see the same argument about a bigger airport.  If you want development you have to spend money.

sell that false choice shyte to sheep who doan know better

 

AFHEP can be built for much, much less (and without the onerous, existing BOOT arrangements, btw) . . . any intelligent, non-criminal minded person knows this

FM
Originally Posted by TI:
Originally Posted by Wally:

You have to play hard ball with these foreigners.  Tell them build it for under $100 million take it or leave it. Not a penny more. Who is going to turn down that type of money coming in to their company balance sheet. The government has got to be careful that the company does not hold the project hostage for more money.

Business dont work that way. You have to accept bids and have the PNC analyse the financials. Hydro is a long term low maintenance investment.

 

The people in Guyana 100 years from now will be praising us if we had built it.

 

i remember the same argument about the stadium. I see the same argument about a bigger airport.  If you want development you have to spend money.

Despite the setbacks, the hydropower project will be built.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TI:
Originally Posted by Wally:

You have to play hard ball with these foreigners.  Tell them build it for under $100 million take it or leave it. Not a penny more. Who is going to turn down that type of money coming in to their company balance sheet. The government has got to be careful that the company does not hold the project hostage for more money.

Business dont work that way. You have to accept bids and have the PNC analyse the financials. Hydro is a long term low maintenance investment.

 

The people in Guyana 100 years from now will be praising us if we had built it.

 

i remember the same argument about the stadium. I see the same argument about a bigger airport.  If you want development you have to spend money.

Despite the setbacks, the hydropower project will be built.

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwn Captain Obvious . . . tell us something we don't know for a change

FM

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