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Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:

While one would have differing views, the rule of a country prevails.

So the rule of Guyana is that when the PPP is in power these gestures lead to arreest. Howeever hada PPP supporter done this under Burnham you all would heve screamed out murder.

This is what happens when you endorse dictatorial bahevior. It can be used against YOU.

Simple matter .. "the rule of a country prevails."

You are such a bloody idiot

In Germany the rule was to murder Jews and gypsies and to enslave the world to the Reich, should that have prevailed?

Still being harsh to yourself?

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Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:

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Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:

While one would have differing views, the rule of a country prevails.

So the rule of Guyana is that when the PPP is in power these gestures lead to arreest. Howeever hada PPP supporter done this under Burnham you all would heve screamed out murder.

This is what happens when you endorse dictatorial bahevior. It can be used against YOU.

Simple matter .. "the rule of a country prevails."

You are such a bloody idiot

In Germany the rule was to murder Jews and gypsies and to enslave the world to the Reich, should that have prevailed?

Still being harsh to yourself?

Your reference is immaterial to the specific statements.....

How is it that a someone could be put before the court promptly for making an indecent gesture and someone else didn't even get arrested for shooting his wife


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Originally posted by Nehru:
Jail the Bastard. People really Stupidee.

This is nonsense you know how many people show obama the finger and worse?

Guyana is a free country. Come on your Excellency do not put us in the news for crap like this.

Another undiscipline Guyanese will have to pay the price for not listening to his teachers.

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Originally posted by Horse Man:

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Originally posted by Nehru:
Jail the Bastard. People really Stupidee.

This is nonsense you know how many people show obama the finger and worse?

Guyana is a free country. Come on your Excellency do not put us in the news for crap like this.

Another undiscipline Guyanese will have to pay the price for not listening to his teachers.

You blaming this boy and his teachers, when Jagdoe is the leader of the country and the youth look at him to set an example.
You are as warped as jagdoe.
Wait until this news hit the international media, jagdoe and his PPP gang will look more stupid than they are now.

bra--rat just vex the boy show him the finger and not his dick

This boy should be given 50 strokes with a bamboo cane.

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This boy should be given 50 strokes with a bamboo cane.

wally i see you is kinky too i bet you learn that from bra--rat

Youth faces new charge for showing presidential convoy "middle finger"
Written by Kwesi Isles Tuesday, 30 August 2011 11:10

A new charge is to be instituted against the youth accused of showing his middle finger to a presidential convoy after it was discovered that he had been charged under the wrong section of the relevant law. Kevin Simon, 18, had faced breach of peace charges under Clause 141(b) of the Summary Jurisdiction (Offences) Act and the police prosecutor on Tuesday indicated that the charge would be withdrawn when the case was called at the Sparendaam Magistrates' Court.

Simon, who was out on bail, was not in court at the time and his matter was set for September 20 by Magistrate Judy Latchmin. His lawyer, Faye Barker, of Hughes, Fields and Stoby, told Demerara Waves Online News (www.demwaves.com) after that the charge instituted was incorrect because under 141(b) her client would have had to utter something to be in breach of the law under that section. That section states that anyone who makes use of any “abusive, insulting, obscene or profane language or says or sings any insulting song or ballad” shall be fined no less than GUY$10,000 or six months imprisonment. Barker stated that the charge should have been filed under Clause 141(a) which covers the use of “threatening, abusive, insulting or obscene language, gesture or behaviour.” The penalties for such offences are the same.

Police said the teen was riding in a bottled water distribution truck earlier this month when he made the gesture to presidential security guards after they scolded the driver for not responding to sirens to make way for the convoy. Simon had been remanded to prison on two previous occassions by the magistrate before his family moved to the High Court. He was eventually granted GUY$5,000 bail.

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GEORGETOWN, Guyana (AP).-A teenager in Guyana who was arrested after making an obscene hand gesture to a presidential convoy is preparing for a trial in a case that has captivated the South American country.

Kevin Simon faces public mischief charges. Relatives said the 18-year-old was released Wednesday on bail after his attorneys challenged a lower court's decision that he remain imprisoned. His trial is scheduled for next week. Ewalt Simon is Kevin's father. He told The Associated Press on Thursday that the case has been a source of humiliation for the family.

Police said the teen was riding in a bottled water distribution truck earlier this month when he made the gesture to presidential security guards after they scolded the driver for not responding to sirens to make way for the convoy.

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Is this what the PPP want to do to all our young men?? Jail them!

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GEORGETOWN, Guyana (AP).-A teenager in Guyana who was arrested after making an obscene hand gesture to a presidential convoy is preparing for a trial in a case that has captivated the South American country.

Kevin Simon faces public mischief charges. Relatives said the 18-year-old was released Wednesday on bail after his attorneys challenged a lower court's decision that he remain imprisoned. His trial is scheduled for next week. Ewalt Simon is Kevin's father. He told The Associated Press on Thursday that the case has been a source of humiliation for the family.

Police said the teen was riding in a bottled water distribution truck earlier this month when he made the gesture to presidential security guards after they scolded the driver for not responding to sirens to make way for the convoy.

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This will back fire on the PPP/C. I will not be surprised if the youths come together and give Jagdeo de middle finger as the Presidential salute, since it's now known as an irritant to him.

The youths are frustrated and feel hopeless. I am pleased with the progress the AFC is making in winning the confidence of our youths. THe AFC need to make sure they come out and vote out the current regime of dinos.

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GEORGETOWN, Guyana (AP).-A teenager in Guyana who was arrested after making an obscene hand gesture to a presidential convoy is preparing for a trial in a case that has captivated the South American country.

Kevin Simon faces public mischief charges. Relatives said the 18-year-old was released Wednesday on bail after his attorneys challenged a lower court's decision that he remain imprisoned. His trial is scheduled for next week. Ewalt Simon is Kevin's father. He told The Associated Press on Thursday that the case has been a source of humiliation for the family.

Police said the teen was riding in a bottled water distribution truck earlier this month when he made the gesture to presidential security guards after they scolded the driver for not responding to sirens to make way for the convoy.

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[/QUOTE] THey do not go after the criminals holding little amerind and Indian girls in slave labor conditions before their eyes but the go after this boy for flipping the finger!

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Barker stated that the charge should have been filed under Clause 141(a) which covers the use of “threatening, abusive, insulting or obscene language, gesture or behaviour.”

The law is vague. It does not define the gesture of showing the middle finger as being obscene.

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Originally posted by Sase Singh:
GEORGETOWN, Guyana (AP).-A teenager in Guyana who was arrested after making an obscene hand gesture to a presidential convoy is preparing for a trial in a case that has captivated the South American country.

Kevin Simon faces public mischief charges. Relatives said the 18-year-old was released Wednesday on bail after his attorneys challenged a lower court's decision that he remain imprisoned. His trial is scheduled for next week. Ewalt Simon is Kevin's father. He told The Associated Press on Thursday that the case has been a source of humiliation for the family.

Police said the teen was riding in a bottled water distribution truck earlier this month when he made the gesture to presidential security guards after they scolded the driver for not responding to sirens to make way for the convoy.

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Jagdeo is a real jackass for making this case a national trial. He is like a little kid extracting kids justice on this guy. This alone exposes a character flaw for the world to see.

This is a waste of the courts time and law enforcements time. Fine the man or whatever and lets get on with life. Jailing people for stuff like this creates unnecessary distraction and antagonizes the youth voters at a wrong time.

Lèse majesté?
By STABROEK STAFF | EDITORIAL | SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 2011

In the bad old days of absolute monarchy, several European countries had a crime on their statute books called lèse majesté. It derived from a Latin phrase meaning ‘injured majesty,’ and referred to an assault on the dignity of a monarch. Not so many centuries ago, of course, the dignity of the crowned heads of Europe and their innumerable relatives was easily offended, and their subjects had to proceed with caution when moved to make remarks – or gestures – in public, if not in private. There is still the odd imperious king around as well as tyrannical rulers who lay no claim to royal lineage, but who do lay claim to ultra-sensitive egos which they want insulated from criticism. Even in those portions of the globe where an atmosphere of greater egalitarianism prevails, the law survives in a few places, albeit not under the name lèse majesté and in a highly attenuated form. In some republics, it has been transferred from a kingly frame of reference to cover presidents or other high representatives of state.

England did not have the specific offence, although that did not mean the disrespectful and impertinent were safe to express themselves, since before the seventeenth century they presumably ran the risk of a charge of treason, and after it, depending on the period, no doubt some other unsavoury charge. The ever informative Wikipedia says Scotland did have an offence of leasing-making or lease-making, referring to making remarks critical of the monarch, but that no one has been prosecuted for it since 1715.

As for Guyana, it is a common law jurisdiction, and Scottish law has never applied here, so there is no offence of lèse majesté, whether or not under that name, lurking on the books. Be that as it may, the legal authorities seem to have been scrambling last week to find the correct section under which to charge one young man who had allegedly gesticulated inappropriately at a presidential convoy. If nothing else it demonstrated that if there is no actual law extant, the concept of lèse majesté, at least, might be very much alive in the Co-operative Republic.

The saga began on August 8, when as mentioned above, 18-year-old Kevin Simon allegedly showed his middle finger to the presidential convoy which was passing. He appeared in court the following day charged with a provocation of a breach of the peace under Clause 141 (b) of the Summary Jurisdiction (Offences) Act, and was remanded to prison. The section, of course, as already indicated, is not specific to presidents, and the offence is a bailable one – after all, it is a none-too-serious charge – so one can only assume that the fact that the presidential convoy was involved, upgraded it in the court’s mind to something more serious. As such, therefore, Mr Simon was remanded and ordered to return to court a week later on August 16. When he appeared again on that date, he was further remanded until August 24.

At this point the young man’s lawyer and father made a bail application on his behalf to the High Court which was granted in the sum of $5,000. Had that not happened he would have spent another period in jail. He duly appeared in court again on August 24, when his matter was adjourned until August 30, and after coming again before the magistrate on that date, he was ordered to return on September 20. The postponement, we reported on Wednesday, was because the original charge against Mr Simon had been withdrawn and another had to be instituted. We understood from a member of his legal team, that under the initial charge he would have had to have uttered words, and that the charge should have been filed under Clause 141 (a) which deals with gesticulations, etc. It would have been no consolation to Mr Simon, however, that he spent time in jail charged with the wrong offence.

The case was not widely reported at first, but now that it has become public knowledge, it has generated a torrent of criticism, and there have been protests outside State House about the teenager’s imprisonment. On Wednesday the protestors stuck out their middle fingers while holding their placards, none of whom, to the best of anyone’s knowledge, has been charged therefor.

At a press conference on Friday, President Jagdeo himself commented on the issue, saying that he did not think that the young man, whom he described as “probably misguided,” should be prosecuted. He seems to have taken exception, however, to the protestors, whom in unpresidential language he described as a “fringe group” and “loonies looking for a cause.” And this, it might be noted, when he happens to be in agreement with them at some level, although admittedly he had nothing to say about Mr Simon’s wrongful imprisonment. One can only hope that this is not an indication that Mr Jagdeo considers only his views are of any consequence, and everyone else outside his charmed circle who has something to say can be written off as a “loony.” If that were indeed so, he would have more in common with a mediaeval monarch than anyone had ever previously suspected.

In any case even if Mr Simon as is alleged did insult the dignity of the presidency, Mr Jagdeo himself has shown no unqualified interest in preserving it. The above example in relation to the protestors is one of many suggesting that the President harbours little enthusiasm for observing the decorum associated with his office, and it cannot be a source of surprise, therefore, that some members of society – not excluding government ministers – have taken their cue from him.

It is the case, of course, that Mr Jagdeo himself appears to have known nothing about the incident at the time when it occurred, and that it was the presidential guards in the convoy who took action. It might be remarked that no one in more recent times has brought the Office of the President into greater disrepute than certain members of the Presidential Guard, who were caught moonlighting for a businessman and destroying property at his behest in a quarrel with his business partner. While there has been internal disciplinary action, no one has yet been charged in that matter. It is rather ironic, therefore, that of all people it was presidential guards who took such umbrage to what is essentially a minor issue, and could have been dealt with by a stern talking to the young alleged offender.

Once the wheels of prosecution began turning, the rest of this sorry drama began to play out. As said earlier, what has really brought the case into the public eye, is the fact that the court, in what at a minimum was an excess of zeal, appeared to import an element of lèse majesté into the offence, and remanded Mr Simon to prison – a clear injustice in the eyes of the public One can only wonder what danger it was thought he represented to the society if he were freed on bail; an epidemic of showing the middle finger in the neighbourhood of the Head of State, perhaps? If so, that was a mistake; this happened anyway through the agency of the protestors after he was remanded. Apart from the fact that as already noted he was entitled to bail given his alleged offence, this decision was handed down in an environment where persons on sometimes quite serious charges have been granted bail.

We do not live in the Middle Ages, where monarchs believed they ruled by divine right, and assaults on their dignity came quite high on the list of serious criminal offences. What concerns the public is that major criminals who have committed armed robbery and murder have not been apprehended, but an insignificant citizen who allegedly made an obscene gesture in the direction of the presidential convoy is twice remanded to prison pending the hearing of his case. In other words, it seems to reverse the importance of felonies and misdemeanours. Given what has happened it would appear to be an appropriate point for the relevant legal authorities to review the case, and in their own good judgement decide not to proceed any further with the matter.

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AFC Statement on Kevin Simon - Dominic Gaskin, AFC NEC Member, Treasurer

It is quite ironic that the PPP claims it is the party for the working class of Guyana and for the youth of Guyana when it quite hastily held 18-year old Mr Kevin Simon without bail for two weeks, allegedly for making a lewd manual gesture at the Presidential motorcade.

It is important to note that these are the actions of a government that is too full of itself. Can you imagine how many lewd gestures Mr Obama gets daily? Yet no one is prosecuted there because that is a country that has freedom of speech enshrined in its constitution.

The PPP claims it is here for our youth and working hard for our youth. Is this how you will deal with youthful exuberance PPP? The PPP has a penchant for going overboard on minor matters and abusing its power. This is why it has seen no reason to get rid of the 72 hour holding period whereby they can hold citizens for minor infractions and this has been done in a few cases.

Now let us contrast this with the 14 year old Trinidadian girl of African descent, who issued death threats, used obscene language and made racist remarks to the Prime Minister, Ms Kamla Persad-Bissessar over the declaration of a State of Emergency in the country and curfew restrictions in some areas. Among her comments were that a sniper would shoot the Prime Minister and “leave no evidence”.

But was the girl locked up? No, instead, the Prime Minister said, "I saw in the newspaper today that there is a 14- or a 15-year-old girl, it is alleged that she made some abusive remarks about me on Facebook and the AG had talked about it, and said it was in the hands of the police and the DPP (Director of Public Prosecutions)." "And then I'm reading today that this young girl has apologised on the Facebook. And I would like to say that I am a mother and a grandmother and this is a teenager, this is a child and I am sure you will agree with me when we say that I should meet her, that I should accept her apologies." "And we should find out why, as a young girl she felt it necessary to do such a thing. I am not of the view in the circumstances that she should be punished in any way. I think first we should talk with her and see what help we can be, all these things are possible."

Recently the President referred the youths of Guyana to the Burnham era. While we acknowledge that those were hard times indeed, the question begs what has the PPP done for youths in Guyana in their 19 years of office? How many jobs have they created for youths? Why is it that the PPP imports computers when our youth could be building them right in Guyana? Why is there so little vocational training? Why are there no internships in the public and private sectors for UG and other students? How many sport based education scholarships has the PPP created in 19 years? These of course, are all things an AFC Government would address.

The Youth of this country should take a cue from this issue and send a strong message to the PPP in the next election and collectively give the PPP the most powerful gesture ever which is to get out of office.

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Originally posted by baseman:

Jagdeo is a real jackass for making this case a national trial. He is like a little kid extracting kids justice on this guy. This alone exposes a character flaw for the world to see.

Correct! Now the youth know which party they need to throw out of office

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Originally posted by cain:

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Originally posted by baseman:

Jagdeo is a real jackass for making this case a national trial. He is like a little kid extracting kids justice on this guy. This alone exposes a character flaw for the world to see.

Correct! Now the youth know which party they need to throw out of office

This proves that jagdeo did not change at all from being a school yard bully.

The Canadian court has ruled that there is no law which atates that showing your middle finger is an obscene gesture.