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Guyana wants Exxon-Mobil to front-load some oil profits for major projects

The area offshore Essequibo where Exxon-Mobil found a huge deposit of oil earlier this year. The area offshore Essequibo where Exxon-Mobil found a huge deposit of oil earlier this year.

Guyana plans to ask American oil-giant, Exxon-Mobil, for a huge chunk of profits ahead of commercial production to fund several major projects including a road to Brazil, says Minister of Governance Raphael Trotman.
“Government wants to open up Guyana so we are looking at things like the road to Brazil, roads into some parts of the hinterland, ensuring that we have low-cost travel by air or road to some of these places,” he told reporters.  The proposed road link is part of the infrastructural integration plan by the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR).
Trotman could not confirm whether the upfront payment would be in the vicinity of US$2 billion.
Transportation agreements for cargo and people as well as vehicular licensing are already in force between the two countries.
He said the idea would be discussed with the President of Exxon-Mobil, Rex Tillerson when he comes here next January to meet with President David Granger who is also the Minister of Petroleum. “We have looked at other countries where oil companies have made a kind of an upfront payment in anticipation but I think we need to get a better sense now of when they are likely to go to production,” said Trotman.
Exxon-Mobil in late May, 2015 announced its discovery of a huge deposit at the Liza well offshore the Essequibo Coast of Guyana.
The Minister of Governance said some of the funds would also be spent on improving the University of Guyana and the Guyana Technical Institute as well as the construction of other roads to further open up the hinterland.
Experts from Canada’s University of Calgary were this week in Guyana sharing its expertise on the establishment of a Sovereign Wealth Fund into which revenues from oil and other extractive industries would be deposited.
Draft legislation governing a fund would be tabled in the 65-seat National Assembly early next year.
Public consultations on the operations of such a facility are also being planned.

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Originally Posted by asj:

Guyana wants Exxon-Mobil to front-load some oil profits for major projects

The area offshore Essequibo where Exxon-Mobil found a huge deposit of oil earlier this year. The area offshore Essequibo where Exxon-Mobil found a huge deposit of oil earlier this year.

Guyana plans to ask American oil-giant, Exxon-Mobil, for a huge chunk of profits ahead of commercial production to fund several major projects including a road to Brazil, says Minister of Governance Raphael Trotman.
“Government wants to open up Guyana so we are looking at things like the road to Brazil, roads into some parts of the hinterland, ensuring that we have low-cost travel by air or road to some of these places,” he told reporters.  The proposed road link is part of the infrastructural integration plan by the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR).
Trotman could not confirm whether the upfront payment would be in the vicinity of US$2 billion.
Transportation agreements for cargo and people as well as vehicular licensing are already in force between the two countries.
He said the idea would be discussed with the President of Exxon-Mobil, Rex Tillerson when he comes here next January to meet with President David Granger who is also the Minister of Petroleum. “We have looked at other countries where oil companies have made a kind of an upfront payment in anticipation but I think we need to get a better sense now of when they are likely to go to production,” said Trotman.
Exxon-Mobil in late May, 2015 announced its discovery of a huge deposit at the Liza well offshore the Essequibo Coast of Guyana.
The Minister of Governance said some of the funds would also be spent on improving the University of Guyana and the Guyana Technical Institute as well as the construction of other roads to further open up the hinterland.
Experts from Canada’s University of Calgary were this week in Guyana sharing its expertise on the establishment of a Sovereign Wealth Fund into which revenues from oil and other extractive industries would be deposited.
Draft legislation governing a fund would be tabled in the 65-seat National Assembly early next year.
Public consultations on the operations of such a facility are also being planned.

An oil refinery will be a good thing for Guyana. This government should have it's eyes set on such a venture rather than looking at roads to nowhere.

FM

The PNC DOGS want to thief the money before it is earned. These THIEVES(Proven for 28 years) and two House Slaves cant wait to build Palaces and have FAT SWiss Account like Burnham.  Burnham bin beat one of dem and leave am ah Albion road to die but NOW he like Burnham!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:

The PNC DOGS want to thief the money before it is earned. These THIEVES(Proven for 28 years) and two House Slaves cant wait to build Palaces and have FAT SWiss Account like Burnham.  Burnham bin beat one of dem and leave am ah Albion road to die but NOW he like Burnham!!!!!!!!!

Nehru Bhai

 

Who is that person ?

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

The PNC DOGS want to thief the money before it is earned. These THIEVES(Proven for 28 years) and two House Slaves cant wait to build Palaces and have FAT SWiss Account like Burnham.  Burnham bin beat one of dem and leave am ah Albion road to die but NOW he like Burnham!!!!!!!!!

Nehru Bhai

 

Who is that person ?

Is a Quiz, big money for the first correct answer. Call 718-262-3000.

Nehru
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by asj:

Guyana wants Exxon-Mobil to front-load some oil profits for major projects

Public consultations on the operations of such a facility are also being planned.

An oil refinery will be a good thing for Guyana. This government should have it's eyes set on such a venture rather than looking at roads to nowhere.

It would be great if they can get some upfront.  Invest in infrastructure, roads, etc.  Not sure I would go for a refinery so early, rather fund the hydro dam then move to an 80k bpd refinery.

FM

I believe the afc/apnu only interested in filling their pockets. They need money upfront to pay for 50% wage increases which will put the nation's books in deficit to maintain the lifestyles of these new bunch of crooks. They counting their chickens before they hatch. 

FM
Originally Posted by Drugb:

I believe the afc/apnu only interested in filling their pockets. They need money upfront to pay for 50% wage increases which will put the nation's books in deficit to maintain the lifestyles of these new bunch of crooks. They counting their chickens before they hatch. 

Welcome to the world of the PNC.  The AFC just along for the ride!!

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Good luck to the government. If ExxonMobil agrees, that would be great. There is precedence in other countries.

Curious why folks think that there are profits to be taxed, when we haven't received definitive word as to when, or even if, Exxon plans to begin production.  Has the gov't even developed a system of royalties and taxes in order for Exxon to calculate what its potential obligations might be?

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Good luck to the government. If ExxonMobil agrees, that would be great. There is precedence in other countries.

This is terrible. The PPP squatted on their asses thinking only of stealing without introducing reforms into the constitution. This new group will do exactly like the PPP did and squat on autocratic power. Managing an oil producing nation is the road to great riches of the rulers....no great gains to the people.

 

Exxon will front load the system because it is part of the hook of our resource curse...we need the cash badly....they have it in abundance. Because we need it, they will shape the terms.

 

Those in office will most gladly agree to almost every proposal. Peter Maass has a wonderful book on the traps and the schemes and the scams of this industry called "Crude World"

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Good luck to the government. If ExxonMobil agrees, that would be great. There is precedence in other countries.

This is terrible. The PPP squatted on their asses thinking only of stealing without introducing reforms into the constitution. This new group will do exactly like the PPP did and squat on autocratic power. Managing an oil producing nation is the road to great riches of the rulers....no great gains to the people.

 

Exxon will front load the system because it is part of the hook of our resource curse...we need the cash badly....they have it in abundance. Because we need it, they will shape the terms.

 

Those in office will most gladly agree to almost every proposal. Peter Maass has a wonderful book on the traps and the schemes and the scams of this industry called "Crude World"

Thanks, Storm. I'll try to get my hands on CRUDE WORLD.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Good luck to the government. If ExxonMobil agrees, that would be great. There is precedence in other countries.

This is terrible. The PPP squatted on their asses thinking only of stealing without introducing reforms into the constitution. This new group will do exactly like the PPP did and squat on autocratic power. Managing an oil producing nation is the road to great riches of the rulers....no great gains to the people.

 

Exxon will front load the system because it is part of the hook of our resource curse...we need the cash badly....they have it in abundance. Because we need it, they will shape the terms.

 

Those in office will most gladly agree to almost every proposal. Peter Maass has a wonderful book on the traps and the schemes and the scams of this industry called "Crude World"

Thanks, Storm. I'll try to get my hands on CRUDE WORLD.

Check PM above.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Good luck to the government. If ExxonMobil agrees, that would be great. There is precedence in other countries.

This is terrible. The PPP squatted on their asses thinking only of stealing without introducing reforms into the constitution. This new group will do exactly like the PPP did and squat on autocratic power. Managing an oil producing nation is the road to great riches of the rulers....no great gains to the people.

 

Exxon will front load the system because it is part of the hook of our resource curse...we need the cash badly....they have it in abundance. Because we need it, they will shape the terms.

 

Those in office will most gladly agree to almost every proposal. Peter Maass has a wonderful book on the traps and the schemes and the scams of this industry called "Crude World"

Thanks, Storm. I'll try to get my hands on CRUDE WORLD.

Check PM above.

I did. Thanks.

FM

The very same thing Burnham tried to do many years ago, and the oil companies told him good bye. That is a new style of foreign investment, government taking money UP Front.There is a glut in the oil market, prices will remain low for years, so Exxon don't have to set up a well. Let the PNC keep on dreaming, OIL MONEY, OIL MONEY, MO MONEY. NO MONEY!!!

K
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Good luck to the government. If ExxonMobil agrees, that would be great. There is precedence in other countries.

This is terrible. The PPP squatted on their asses thinking only of stealing without introducing reforms into the constitution. This new group will do exactly like the PPP did and squat on autocratic power. Managing an oil producing nation is the road to great riches of the rulers....no great gains to the people.

 

Exxon will front load the system because it is part of the hook of our resource curse...we need the cash badly....they have it in abundance. Because we need it, they will shape the terms.

 

Those in office will most gladly agree to almost every proposal. Peter Maass has a wonderful book on the traps and the schemes and the scams of this industry called "Crude World"

Thanks, Storm. I'll try to get my hands on CRUDE WORLD.

Check PM above.

I did. Thanks.

Cool. It is a book you should read.

FM
Originally Posted by kp:

The very same thing Burnham tried to do many years ago, and the oil companies told him good bye. That is a new style of foreign investment, government taking money UP Front.There is a glut in the oil market, prices will remain low for years, so Exxon don't have to set up a well. Let the PNC keep on dreaming, OIL MONEY, OIL MONEY, MO MONEY. NO MONEY!!!

I agree. Granger was betting on the oil money and care less about rice and sugar. Now he want oil money up front and put Guyana in hole of debt for decades to come. 

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:
 

I agree. Granger was betting on the oil money and care less about rice and sugar. Now he want oil money up front and put Guyana in hole of debt for decades to come. 

Granger wants to get royalties and license fees up front. Realistic?  No as Exxon hasn't even announced if and when they will drill.

 

But if Granger continues to pour down money into Guysuco, that is a sure fire way to make Guyana indebted.  If you don't want Guyana indebted then tell Granger to sell Guysuco, so that the losses will be borne by others.

 

I suggest that you tell the rice industry to cut their foolishness and demand that gov't hands over GRDB to them and to get out of the way.  The rice industry has allowed itself to be used by politicians and is now suffering from the result of its own laziness. 

 

GRDB (owned and operated by rice farmers and millers) should determine how much they sell rice for, which markets they sell it to, and as a result, how much the rice farmers get paid.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Good luck to the government. If ExxonMobil agrees, that would be great. There is precedence in other countries.

Curious why folks think that there are profits to be taxed, when we haven't received definitive word as to when, or even if, Exxon plans to begin production.  Has the gov't even developed a system of royalties and taxes in order for Exxon to calculate what its potential obligations might be?

Profits is a matter for Exxon, I assume Guyana will be on a royalty regime.  I'm sure the Trinnis and others will offer advise, for  fee.  However, going hat in hand puts you in a weak position to negotiate.  At this point though, with everything collapsing around them, not sure they have much of a choice.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

Granger wants to get royalties and license fees up front. Realistic?  No as Exxon hasn't even announced if and when they will drill.

 

But if Granger continues to pour down money into Guysuco, that is a sure fire way to make Guyana indebted.  If you don't want Guyana indebted then tell Granger to sell Guysuco, so that the losses will be borne by others.

 

I suggest that you tell the rice industry to cut their foolishness and demand that gov't hands over GRDB to them and to get out of the way.  The rice industry has allowed itself to be used by politicians and is now suffering from the result of its own laziness. 

 

GRDB (owned and operated by rice farmers and millers) should determine how much they sell rice for, which markets they sell it to, and as a result, how much the rice farmers get paid.

Quite a turnaround now from the afc/apnu folks. They were braying that ethanol production would save the sugar industry. Now they are depending on oil from Exxon as the savior.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Good luck to the government. If ExxonMobil agrees, that would be great. There is precedence in other countries.

Curious why folks think that there are profits to be taxed, when we haven't received definitive word as to when, or even if, Exxon plans to begin production.  Has the gov't even developed a system of royalties and taxes in order for Exxon to calculate what its potential obligations might be?

Profits is a matter for Exxon, I assume Guyana will be on a royalty regime.  I'm sure the Trinnis and others will offer advise, for  fee.  However, going hat in hand puts you in a weak position to negotiate.  At this point though, with everything collapsing around them, not sure they have much of a choice.

Guyana has to establish a regime to ensure that they get the best deal from Exxon, and incentive to entice them to begin to drill, given how low prices are, and the global oil glut.  They will need further incentives to build a deep water harbor big enough for super tankers, or the oil goes elsewhere for processing.

 

Granger going to Exxon, expressing his dreams, will look like a fool.  Exxon cares only about profits, and not about Guyana's overall development.  As is it appears as if they plan to move the oil DIRECTLY from the oil rigs to the super tankers.

FM
Originally Posted by Drugb:
 

Quite a turnaround now from the afc/apnu folks. They were braying that ethanol production would save the sugar industry. Now they are depending on oil from Exxon as the savior.

Go to TK.  I never said a word about ethanol.

 

I see you are back as Drugged Brain.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Drugb:
 

Quite a turnaround now from the afc/apnu folks. They were braying that ethanol production would save the sugar industry. Now they are depending on oil from Exxon as the savior.

Go to TK.  I never said a word about ethanol.

 

I see you are back as Drugged Brain.

Tk is suddenly quiet as well as all those who claimed that they knew how to turn around the sugar industry.

 

When are you changing back to GuyanaJ? I would expect this as now your Black brothers are back in power. Instead you chose to identify with carib instead of Guyana, a clear indication that you have no confidence in Granger et al.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Good luck to the government. If ExxonMobil agrees, that would be great. There is precedence in other countries.

Curious why folks think that there are profits to be taxed, when we haven't received definitive word as to when, or even if, Exxon plans to begin production.  Has the gov't even developed a system of royalties and taxes in order for Exxon to calculate what its potential obligations might be?

Profits is a matter for Exxon, I assume Guyana will be on a royalty regime.  I'm sure the Trinnis and others will offer advise, for  fee.  However, going hat in hand puts you in a weak position to negotiate.  At this point though, with everything collapsing around them, not sure they have much of a choice.

Guyana has to establish a regime to ensure that they get the best deal from Exxon, and incentive to entice them to begin to drill, given how low prices are, and the global oil glut.  They will need further incentives to build a deep water harbor big enough for super tankers, or the oil goes elsewhere for processing.

 

Granger going to Exxon, expressing his dreams, will look like a fool.  Exxon cares only about profits, and not about Guyana's overall development.  As is it appears as if they plan to move the oil DIRECTLY from the oil rigs to the super tankers.

Listen, with oil in the 40's and likely to remain for a while, I don't see major new upstream anywhere in the world.  This will become worse when interest rate go up.  Companies will pair back and lighten up their balance sheets until they see a sustained upward pressure in prices.

 

Any hat in hand by Granger will carry a high price.  Exxon will rake them over the coals and in future when oil prices are high, Guyanese will wonder why they don't see the full benefit.  But the PNC sold out Guyana before for lil bacanal time, why will it be different today!

FM
Originally Posted by Drugb:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Drugb:
 

Quite a turnaround now from the afc/apnu folks. They were braying that ethanol production would save the sugar industry. Now they are depending on oil from Exxon as the savior.

Go to TK.  I never said a word about ethanol.

 

I see you are back as Drugged Brain.

Tk is suddenly quiet as well as all those who claimed that they knew how to turn around the sugar industry.

 

When are you changing back to GuyanaJ? I would expect this as now your Black brothers are back in power. Instead you chose to identify with carib instead of Guyana, a clear indication that you have no confidence in Granger et al.

 

 

Between the ethanol champion and the sugar in sachet champion, Sugar will have glorious days.  Imagin that, there is a market for 400k tonnes of sachet sugar in the Caribbean and all the big boys, Tate and Lyle, etc missed that.  America must be real happy these bannas on them side.  Obama failed because he never put them to negotiate with the Chinese!

FM

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