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January 17,2017 Source

A Guyanese man who gained residency in Canada in 2009, lost it after immigration officials found that he was no longer eligible as he spent most of his time in Guyana and his appeal of that decision was subsequently thrown out.

Ramdeo Kumar had attempted to retain his resident status but by Justice Rose Andrachuk found in September last year that there was no evidence that supported him being given another chance when he has established businesses in Guyana and only visits his wife and two children from time to time. The judge suggested that he apply for a visitor’s visa or that his wife apply for him in the future.

“I find that, after considering all the evidence, the immigration officer’s decision is valid in law and in fact. I further find that there are insufficient humanitarian and compassionate factors to warrant special relief to the appellant,” the judge said in the decision.

The judge said that she weighed Kumar’s establishment in Canada and any hardship that he and his family might suffer should the appeal be dismissed, as well as the best interests of his minor child. “However, the appellant has not convinced me that the arrangement the appellant has established so far of remaining outside of Canada for the majority of the time would likely be altered,” she said in the ruling seen by this newspaper.

According to the background of the case, an immigration officer determined that Kumar had only spent 537 days in Canada during the five-year period preceding his application for a travel document on September 4, 2014 instead of the required 730, and there were not sufficient humanitarian and compassionate grounds to grant special relief.

Kumar did not challenge the legal validity of the immigration officer’s decision and the only issue was whether there were sufficient humanitarian and compassionate factors to warrant granting special relief.

The 43-year-old Kumar is a citizen of Guyana but immigrated to Canada under the skilled workers programme. He landed in Canada on May 5, 2009 with his wife and two sons. But he returned to Guyana three months later, resumed his former job and travelled periodically to visit his family in Canada; they travelled twice a year to visit him. The judge found that breach of the residency requirement was significant since Kumar was in Canada for only 537 days during the relevant five-year period, and even when he knew that his permanent residency was in jeopardy he still did not reside in Canada for the 730 days immediately preceding the hearing.

“Expecting a permanent resident to be physically in Canada for two years out of every five years is a generous provision, which allows the permanent resident to wind up their affairs in the country of origin; 730 days of physical residency should be treated as the minimum expectation. The appellant has had seven years since being granted his permanent residency to wind up his affairs in Guyana but he has not done so as yet. This is a negative factor,” the judge said.

In his testimony Kumar testified that he left Canada to work in Guyana as he could not support his family on the money he was making in Canada. But the judge said his testimony that he did not know the cost of living in Canada was surprising since he was an accountant.

Kumar said after he returned to Guyana he resumed his former employment for a few years and then purchased a couple of restaurants and worked in real estate. He did not explain why he did not try to get another job in Canada or why he did not try to start businesses in Canada rather than in Guyana.

“I find that the appellant, after parking his family in Canada, returned to Guyana and continued to establish his business in Guyana for economic reasons as he could make more money in Guyana,” the judge stated.

The judge also noted some discrepancies between Kumar’s testimony and that of his wife and adult son as while he claimed he had worked for three months before returning to Guyana, his wife testified that he had only worked for two weeks. His son also contradicted him in his testimony of attempting to divest himself from his businesses, as he claimed they were being operated by a manager.

The judge found that Kumar’s wife and children were well established in Canada but he was not and he made very little effort to do so. The judge also found that Kumar did not give convincing evidence that he was seriously trying to establish himself economically in Canada.

“I do not find that the appellant has presented clear, cogent and convincing evidence that either he or his family would suffer any hardship if the appellant is not allowed to retain his permanent resident status,” the judge stated.

It was noted that Kumar was well established in Guyana where he was a citizen, has lived most of his life and where he has extended family and businesses. His mother is a US citizen and he has a 10-year US visa and the judge suggested that he can travel to Canada as a visitor and continue to visit his family and they can continue to visit him in Guyana. “He can also be sponsored to Canada by his wife if he decides he wants to reside in Canada,” the judge added.

“I find that the appellant’s family would also not suffer any significant hardship if the appeal is not granted. His family is used to the pattern of his absences and visits. They have thrived despite the appellant’s frequent absences. The older son is in university and his younger son is in high school. His wife is employed in a daycare. The family owns a house and appear well-established in Canada. The family can also visit the appellant in Guyana as they have in the past. His older son testified that even when his father was not in Canada they were always in contact, by video chats, or other media.”

Given the above facts the judge found that the immigration official was correct to withdraw his residency status and dismissed the appeal.

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Drugb posted:

Not only in Canada but also in the US. I have two family members in the same scenario.  One gave up a US green card and the other Canadian residency

Both my mother and father gave up their green cards and got 10 year multiple entry visas. They did not want to spend more than a month or two here.

FM
Prince posted:

Some that I know already lost their U.S. residency by doing the same. Them into big money running in Guyana, so they want to chew cane and blow whistle at the same time. 

We Padna gave up his Greencard fuh hunt hassar and Patwa.

Nehru
Nehru posted:
Prince posted:

Some that I know already lost their U.S. residency by doing the same. Them into big money running in Guyana, so they want to chew cane and blow whistle at the same time. 

We Padna gave up his Greencard fuh hunt hassar and Patwa.

The folks that living and doing business in Guyana don't need green card to live in America to wuck till them dead. Look at Guru who went back to drink belly full rum, eat, sleep and wake when he feels like. Them chap basking in year round sunshine and laughing at us right now.

FM
Prince posted:

Guyana is always paradise for all her sons and daughters that leave its shores for a better live abroad. Unfortunately, Guyana political system stinks.

Prince,leh we guh back and change um nuh.

I am planning to go back and try to influence the people how they can change the system,wondering if i have to get a body guard,don't trust the politicians there.

Django
Prince posted:

Guyana is always paradise for all her sons and daughters that leave its shores for a better live abroad. Unfortunately, Guyana political system stinks.

The system does not, the politicians do!

FM
Imran posted:
RiffRaff posted:

when the oil start flow

Here is another Guyanese who dream of becoming wealthy due to OIL discovery.

The oil is not going to do squat for no one. Granger is waiting patiently for oil to stimulate the economy. When he dead they should bury him in oil. We get a whole bunch of thiefmen waiting to dacole the oil wealth. 

FM

The infrastructure that was built by PPP is crumbling. The road from the airport to East Cost is full of pot holes. Government building is falling to pieces, fences are falling down .

Government offering Free internet service at government building - workers are more interested in , you have to bribe them to get your documents, why do government offerings free wifi Is hilarious. 

Driving on the east cost has more rum shops, with group of shirtless men almost drunk at 9 AM asking for a raise at any vehicle that stop , especially around Monrepose Market . Vendors are dumping their garbage in surrounding drains , clogging up the system and then cry out the market is flooded. Rains falls almost every day . 

Chineese are building houses/ businesses that will out number the population - I don't know who will buy from who . 

Everybody wants to sit behind a counter selling something... they have a TV watching young and the restless waiting for a buyer. In the process them backside getting bigger.

there is a competition in building houses... them idiots is tiling steps to front yard . With the wet weather More fractured and broken bones. 

Guyana is going backwards. Every neighbor silences each other with big boom boxes early morning- they competing who has the biggest speaker and best music.

and while every age is fascinated about Young And The Restless- husband and wife preforming the act with neighbor or foreigner. 

You get wasted easily and sexual favours your choice.... size , colour.....

 

FM

A friend of mine tell his wife , his mother is sick and needs to go back home for a visit. 

Mother has the flu only... husband sister-law call husband wife... come see wah you husband a do yah ... wife pay him a surprise visit and he was in the act with wife niece and The niece is married...

 

FM
Imran posted:

A friend of mine tell his wife , his mother is sick and needs to go back home for a visit. 

Mother has the flu only... husband sister-law call husband wife... come see wah you husband a do yah ... wife pay him a surprise visit and he was in the act with wife niece and The niece is married...

 

A friend eh eh eh!!!

K
kp posted:
Imran posted:

A friend of mine tell his wife , his mother is sick and needs to go back home for a visit. 

Mother has the flu only... husband sister-law call husband wife... come see wah you husband a do yah ... wife pay him a surprise visit and he was in the act with wife niece and The niece is married...

 

A friend eh eh eh!!!

Lol ... a friend 

FM
kp posted:
Imran posted:

A friend of mine tell his wife , his mother is sick and needs to go back home for a visit. 

Mother has the flu only... husband sister-law call husband wife... come see wah you husband a do yah ... wife pay him a surprise visit and he was in the act with wife niece and The niece is married...

 

A friend eh eh eh!!!

Imran wha kind a friend got deh bhai,

duh chap is a tusty man.

Django
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Django posted:
kp posted:
Imran posted:

A friend of mine tell his wife , his mother is sick and needs to go back home for a visit. 

Mother has the flu only... husband sister-law call husband wife... come see wah you husband a do yah ... wife pay him a surprise visit and he was in the act with wife niece and The niece is married...

 

A friend eh eh eh!!!

Imran wha kind a friend got deh bhai.

Na bai , know what you mean 

FM

Guyana natural resources can take them as a top destination vacation only if Politicians see the country as "first " and not themselves.

there are a few destinations that a few Guyanese turn into a cancun style vacation ( MeXico) , if you are blind fold and taken to these site, you would have doubts... it's Guyana

but here is the problem-

the entrapenures had government ministers cutting ribbons and take pictures for the media at their business opening instead of having the opposition and government at the same time- changed of government ...that business is history because the politicians are selfish.

The business owners are A hole to make such decisions- play the game both sides .... give donations both sides secretly, hug up Jagdeo and Granger .

These business started of milking the customers, very expensive as their mentality is... there is no competition around their destination. Little did they know the customers, will never come back . 

Services are horrible, you have to go looking for your server and the food takes over an hour to arrive. 

With the drop of business because of failure from the owners, any new costumer will then pay for who is not there for the business to survives - that means the price goes up further . 

The resort are beautiful with the bird watching and black water fishing , trail hiking. 

Toursim ministry needs to do more and this will bring in more foreign resources. 

 

FM
Prashad posted:

Guyana needs to focus on Eco tourism and Amazon tourism. They cannot compete in the other areas with the Caribbean.

Guyana needs to get rid(hang 'em high) of the criminals. It's only then they should concentrate on Eco Tourism. Who wants to visit a country only to be robbed in daylight if you are lucky not to be killed?

FM
Prince posted:
Imran posted:
RiffRaff posted:

when the oil start flow

Here is another Guyanese who dream of becoming wealthy due to OIL discovery.

The oil is not going to do squat for no one. Granger is waiting patiently for oil to stimulate the economy. When he dead they should bury him in oil. We get a whole bunch of thiefmen waiting to dacole the oil wealth. 

I have not heard that word "dacole" for a long time.  Nice Prince!

FM
Drugb posted:

As I told cribby before he ran like a bytch, eco tourism is a hard sell to the masses if not combined with white sand beach and blue water. 

Suriname has had a successful eco tourisnm trade for decades without the blue water. They built several river side beaches over the years. Nothing stopping an enterprising Guyanese doing something similar.

Mr.T

About 1,400 immigrants a year ordered removed from Canada for residency non-compliance

The number of permanent residents issued removal orders at port of entry has risen from 605 in 2008 to 1,413 in 2014.

 
Canada’s immigration law requires permanent residents to be physically present in Canada for at least 730 days in every five-year period.
Canada’s immigration law requires permanent residents to be physically present in Canada for at least 730 days in every five-year period.  (GOVERNMENT OF CANADA)  

An average of about 1,400 Canadian immigrants are intercepted at the border each year and ordered removed from the country for not fulfilling their residency obligations, the Star has learned.

Although these newcomers can appeal to a tribunal to restore their permanent resident status under humanitarian considerations, only one in 10 succeeds in the process, according to government data.

“The tribunal is supposed to be immigrants’ last resort as the Parliament has given it the discretionary power to give immigrants a second chance if they breach the law,” said immigration lawyer Lawrence Wong, who obtained the data through an access to information request.

“But that second chance in reality is hard to come by. The national sentiment is pretty much the same. If you are an immigrant, don’t make a mistake. If you do, we want to see you kicked out.”

It’s believed to be the first time data about the loss of permanent residency at ports of entry has been made public, revealing the extent of residency noncompliance among immigrants trying to get back to Canada after lengthy stays overseas, said Wong.

Canada’s immigration law requires permanent residents to be physically present in Canada for at least 730 days in every five-year period in order to maintain their status. Otherwise, their residency will be revoked.

According to the Canada Border Services Agency, on average 1,423 permanent residents a year were stopped at the border for failing the requirement from 2010 to 2014, the most recent statistics available. During the period, Canada accepted some 260,000 newcomers annually.

The number of removal orders issued against these individuals had risen sharply to 1,413 in 2014 from 605 in 2008, when former Conservative Immigration Minister Jason Kenney took over the department and cracked down on fraud.

 

Across Canada, Quebec had the highest detection rate; more than a third of the removal orders were issued in the province against the non-compliant immigrants returning to Canada.

Between 2008 and 2014, a total of 3,575 immigrants were slapped with removal orders for residency non-compliance at Pierre Elliot Trudeau airport in Montreal, dwarfing the 439 and 972 people respectively intercepted at Toronto’s Pearson airport and the Vancouver International Airport.

The numbers do not include those who had their permanent residency revoked due to criminality and misrepresentation, who were refused travel documents to return to Canada or who applied to voluntarily relinquish their permanent residence.

While all these immigrants who lost their status can appeal to the immigration appeal division based on errors in law or humanitarian and compassionate grounds such as hardship from separation with family in Canada, the border services agency data show their success rate hovers at about 10 per cent — and has declined in the past few years.

Those who successfully restored their permanent resident status dropped significantly from 127 or 17 per cent of 746 appellants in 2008 to 78 or 7.7 per cent of 1,008 people in 2014.

“Once you are issued a removal order, the chances of saving your permanent status are really very limited,” said Wong.

 
AJ
Mr.T posted:

Suriname has had a successful eco tourisnm trade for decades without the blue water. They built several river side beaches over the years. Nothing stopping an enterprising Guyanese doing something similar.

 

That place look dead, in contrast, this is how a booming tourist beach should look. 

Rodney Bay

Then you should go invest in this enterprise in Guyana. In fact with all this prosperity in eco tourism, why Suriname can't pay to repair the ferry? 

FM
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The visa is a residence visa ie you need to spend more time in your new homeland than your former homeland.

 

In the USA, it is required for 50+% in the US not the apparent 33% in this case

Vish M

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