Great work by Guysuco.

Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

skeldon_man posted:

Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

This Jackass dinosaur has no idea, he is a clueless as the rest of the idiots in the AFC/PNC Jackass Cart.

Drugb posted:

 

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. 

Druggie quit being a braying jackass. Even Jagdeo has now admitted that the problems of Guysuco began under the PPP, so its the PPP that should share at least some of the blame.

Now if the PNC shuts down Guysuco all of the Indians will go screaming, crying, and wailing to the United Nations ranting that "blackman in Guyana a starve ahbe". Conveniently omitted to mention the millions of dollars that this same blackman government has pumped into this monstrosity created by Jagdeo.

So they try to increase yields by selling higher margin product.  And you bray. Bet if they shut down Guysuco and tens of thousands of Indians end up walking the streets destitute you will blame blacks.

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Stop talking hot air.  The PPP tried that.  The problem there is not large unmet need and the added value is not that big.  So you make a big investment then struggle to get a foothold in the developed markets dominated by their own down streamers.  You talk like Burnham on his nationalization craze!

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. 

Druggie quit being a braying jackass. Even Jagdeo has now admitted that the problems of Guysuco began under the PPP, so its the PPP that should share at least some of the blame.

Now if the PNC shuts down Guysuco all of the Indians will go screaming, crying, and wailing to the United Nations ranting that "blackman in Guyana a starve ahbe". Conveniently omitted to mention the millions of dollars that this same blackman government has pumped into this monstrosity created by Jagdeo.

So they try to increase yields by selling higher margin product.  And you bray. Bet if they shut down Guysuco and tens of thousands of Indians end up walking the streets destitute you will blame blacks.

The PNc in charge now, they own Guysuco's problems. No more excuses from this hapless government will be tolerated by the people. 

Granger said he will produce ethanol from the cane, but we have yet to see this come to fruition.   Granger is a coward, he refuse to follow through on his promise to close down Guysuco. 

They are not increasing yields, but merely covering up inefficiencies with value added smokescreen. What you pnc people are not tackling is the fact that the cost of production is not competitive. You folks bury your head in the sand and still refuse to address the core problem.  So far we have not heard any calls for increased mechanization or any ideas on how to make the industry more efficient. 

The Eu is paying Guyana millions to find ways to stop exporting sugar yet these fools are continuing to find ways to be more dependent on sugar. They should be looking at other products for export.

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. 

Druggie quit being a braying jackass. Even Jagdeo has now admitted that the problems of Guysuco began under the PPP, so its the PPP that should share at least some of the blame.

Now if the PNC shuts down Guysuco all of the Indians will go screaming, crying, and wailing to the United Nations ranting that "blackman in Guyana a starve ahbe". Conveniently omitted to mention the millions of dollars that this same blackman government has pumped into this monstrosity created by Jagdeo.

So they try to increase yields by selling higher margin product.  And you bray. Bet if they shut down Guysuco and tens of thousands of Indians end up walking the streets destitute you will blame blacks.

The PNc in charge now, they own Guysuco's problems. No more excuses from this hapless government will be tolerated by the people. 

Granger said he will produce ethanol from the cane, but we have yet to see this come to fruition.   Granger is a coward, he refuse to follow through on his promise to close down Guysuco. 

They are not increasing yields, but merely covering up inefficiencies with value added smokescreen. What you pnc people are not tackling is the fact that the cost of production is not competitive. You folks bury your head in the sand and still refuse to address the core problem.  So far we have not heard any calls for increased mechanization or any ideas on how to make the industry more efficient. 

This banna talk for talk sake and don't go beyond scratching the surface.  He is good at building castles out of sand.  There was one a notable AFCites who had all the solutions for Guysuco.  I think Harmon listened and sent him packing.

There are limited avenues for sugar due to supply and changing needs.  Many refineries are in the developed economies and, in many cases, are captive within the value chain of a larger vertical enterprise.  An option in this area is to do a deal with one of these enterprises and have a partnership as a supply source of refined sugar.

Another is to develop the local confectionery and beverage industry with an eye on export.  In any case, without more verticals in the economy, sugar will be doomed to a low-value activity and will always struggle.  The PNC, and their sidekick the AFC, did this in what they scuttled the Amelia power project.  To be viable, verticals need cheap and reliable power.

There is a major switch in the world now from sugar to low carb sweetners like the Brazilian Stevia.

Prashad posted:

There is a major switch in the world now from sugar to low carb sweetners like the Brazilian Stevia.

Stevia is great. I prefer to use instead of sugar. Don't need spoonfuls.

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

Danyael posted:

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

Did you ever do a study as to why? I am sure with your expertise you will be able to give us the answer in less than a week. Take a shot at it.

Clive Thomas don't know the difference between bamboo from sugar cane. He is talking of "packed" sugar is more marketable, dam-it, sugar is sugar but under PNC sugar has become "BITTER".

skeldon_man posted:

Danyael posted:

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

Did you ever do a study as to why? I am sure with your expertise you will be able to give us the answer in less than a week. Take a shot at it.

Why ask me if I did a study as if you did one and is so authoritative on the matter. I have seen studies and took the time to read them which is more than you have done. I am sure I know more of the data there from the discussion to date than you do so quit the stupid yapping as if you know exactly what fits the bill. If you do, tell us.

Danyael posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Danyael posted:

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

Did you ever do a study as to why? I am sure with your expertise you will be able to give us the answer in less than a week. Take a shot at it.

Why ask me if I did a study as if you did one and is so authoritative on the matter. I have seen studies and took the time to read them which is more than you have done. I am sure I know more of the data there from the discussion to date than you do so quit the stupid yapping as if you know exactly what fits the bill. If you do, tell us.

Remember, I was born in Skeldon. I know more about sugar production than you. I doubt you ever saw a sugar cane field or cane cutters at their task. I have seen the process from tillage to harvesting to manufacturing.  Breaking News: My family and I worked in the sugar industry. 
I do not criticize sugar; you do. I don't need to do a study. If you know better; put your two lil jills in; if not then zip it.

skeldon_man posted:

Danyael posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Danyael posted:

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

Did you ever do a study as to why? I am sure with your expertise you will be able to give us the answer in less than a week. Take a shot at it.

Why ask me if I did a study as if you did one and is so authoritative on the matter. I have seen studies and took the time to read them which is more than you have done. I am sure I know more of the data there from the discussion to date than you do so quit the stupid yapping as if you know exactly what fits the bill. If you do, tell us.

Remember, I was born in Skeldon. I know more about sugar production than you. I doubt you ever saw a sugar cane field or cane cutters at their task. I have seen the process from tillage to harvesting to manufacturing.  Breaking News: My family and I worked in the sugar industry. 
I do not criticize sugar; you do. I don't need to do a study. If you know better; put your two lil jills in; if not then zip it.

Dude...you could have been conceived and delivered in a cane field and that does not mean a thing. I have also seen the production of cane through many cycles of production growing up but my information is not from there. I also swam in the cane canals and ate a lot of sugar cane but my information did not come from there. It is from the various analysis of the process from those who studied it and spoke of it.

ba$eman posted:

 

Stop talking hot air.  The PPP tried that.  The problem there is not large unmet need and the added value is not that big.  So you make a big investment then struggle to get a foothold in the developed markets dominated by their own down streamers.  You talk like Burnham on his nationalization craze!

Mauritius sells value added sugar and they are rude enough to call it DEMERARA sugar.

Come again with your silly excuse.  There is no future in selling bulk sugar as Guyana is too high cost.

So your solution is to shut down Guysuco because Guyana is no more able to sustain it than they were able to sustain Guymine.  The PPP screwed up Guysuco and now no one wants it, so there will be no buyers, except for those interested in real estate speculation.

ba$eman posted:

 

This banna talk for talk sake and don't go beyond scratching the surface. 

Another is to develop the local confectionery and beverage industry with an eye on export. 

If Guyana cannot create a demand for refined sugar why will they create a demand for candies and juices?  In fact Guyana struggles to market is branded rums, even though they win awards every where.

Guyanese, unlike Jamaicans, don't have a clue about creating a national brand image.  I bet f El Dorado was marketed as a Jamaican rum the demand would be so huge that they wouldn't be able to supply.

So let us deal with that problem. Guyana has no national image, and outside of Guyana, and the islands where Guyanese swarm to like unwanted locusts, no one can even image what a Guyanese is.

You do know that no one in the Eastern Caribbean makes refined sugar.  You do know that CARICOM has negotiated with the cruise lines deals for them to source some of their supplies from within CARICOM.

You have hotel chains like Sandals which can be markets.

No. You prefer bulk sugar sold at one third of the price that it costs to produce it, and the tax payers  be burdened to sustain the jobs of a dying breed of cane cutters. In fact every season brings with it problems in even finding people to cut cane!

kp posted:

Clive Thomas don't know the difference between bamboo from sugar cane. He is talking of "packed" sugar is more marketable, dam-it, sugar is sugar but under PNC sugar has become "BITTER".

I suggest that you cease with your racist rant. Even Jagdeo NOW admits that Guysuco's problems are the fault of the PPP as the problems began then.

Your notion that its only the past 1 1/2 years is based on your own naked racism!

The day after the PPP lost the election Guysuco went to the coalition government wailing that they would have to lay off every one, but the security guards, and management if they don't get a bail out.

APNU could have said to Guysuco "drop dead because none of you all voted for us".  To their credit they didn't do to sugar workers what Jagdeo did to Bauxite workers.

APNU could have said to Guysuco "drop dead because none of you all voted for us".

Only a FILTH HEAD IDIOT would make such a statement so in his case very appropriate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yuji22 posted:

This Jackass dinosaur has no idea, he is a clueless as the rest of the idiots in the AFC/PNC Jackass Cart.

It is obvious that you are not educated enough to know this scholar

He has lost all credibility. He is just another soup drinker now.

Nehru posted:

He has lost all credibility. He is just another soup drinker now.

Suh duh happen when he joined the current Gov't.

Django posted:

Nehru posted:

He has lost all credibility. He is just another soup drinker now.

Suh duh happen when he joined the current Gov't.

You can say so since the PNC killed his Leader and he knows it BUT MONEY TALKS and BULLSHIT WALKS!!!!

Danyael posted:

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

He is a jackass via his clear incompetent actions as chairman of Guysuco and "presidential advisor". We have yet to see any of his "advice" to the president bear fruit.  What qualified this jackass to be Guysuco Chairman other than a trophy position to compensate for his loyalty to the PNC?  

A Harvard speaker he is not for sure, as there is no documented evidence that this backwater pseudo intellect would ever be invited there. But let us pretend that he did speak at Harvard, then he is in similar incompetent company with Snooki of Jersey shore who also was paid to appear at Harvard. 

The fact remains that Skeldon now belongs to the PNC for 1 1/2 years and they have done zero to rectify its problems.  The inefficiency is not solely attributed to the factory but through all phases of the sugar making process from its cultivation, harvesting, transport, heavy labor intensive maintenance etc. 

You people don't want to do a deep dive into the issues that causes sugar to be unprofitable. Instead you take the superficial path of pointing fingers at a few issues. 

Drugb posted:

Danyael posted:

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

He is a jackass via his clear incompetent actions as chairman of Guysuco and "presidential advisor". We have yet to see any of his "advice" to the president bear fruit.  What qualified this jackass to be Guysuco Chairman other than a trophy position to compensate for his loyalty to the PNC?  

A Harvard speaker he is not for sure, as there is no documented evidence that this backwater pseudo intellect would ever be invited there. But let us pretend that he did speak at Harvard, then he is in similar incompetent company with Snooki of Jersey shore who also was paid to appear at Harvard. 

The fact remains that Skeldon now belongs to the PNC for 1 1/2 years and they have done zero to rectify its problems.  The inefficiency is not solely attributed to the factory but through all phases of the sugar making process from its cultivation, harvesting, transport, heavy labor intensive maintenance etc. 

You people don't want to do a deep dive into the issues that causes sugar to be unprofitable. Instead you take the superficial path of pointing fingers at a few issues. 

He is the most prodigious writer on our sugar industry. I do not know what specifically you know of that is better than he said that makes you think you are superior. If experience with your bilge is anything instructive it is just your big mouth flapping again.

And yes he has has done many summer lecture tours at Harvard. If you complain on things not changing in one and a half years in the industry where was your insight when the PPP ran it backwards to 1973 production levels. 

There is substantial facts and marginal facts.  What is the size of each market gains?  A few hundred tonnes here and there?

Bean counters that is what Hanoman and Thomas are.  Celebrating peanuts and hiding billion dollar monsters in the closets.  That is not how to turn around the sugar industry.

Quote from Thomas:

According to Chairman of the Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo), Dr. Clive Thomas, ‘Enmore Crystals’ is only being done in small quantities for the markets in Canada, USA and Britain.”
The GuySuCo Chairman said that the Board and Management believe that the packaged sugar will do better than “the ordinary sugar sold in the transparent plastic bag.”
He noted that samples are already being taken to the three markets he outlined, among other places where contacts are made.
Dr. Thomas said, “We are trying to penetrate the market with small quantities and build up as time goes.

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

This banna talk for talk sake and don't go beyond scratching the surface. 

Another is to develop the local confectionery and beverage industry with an eye on export. 

If Guyana cannot create a demand for refined sugar why will they create a demand for candies and juices?  In fact Guyana struggles to market is branded rums, even though they win awards every where.

Guyanese, unlike Jamaicans, don't have a clue about creating a national brand image.  I bet f El Dorado was marketed as a Jamaican rum the demand would be so huge that they wouldn't be able to supply.

So let us deal with that problem. Guyana has no national image, and outside of Guyana, and the islands where Guyanese swarm to like unwanted locusts, no one can even image what a Guyanese is.

You do know that no one in the Eastern Caribbean makes refined sugar.  You do know that CARICOM has negotiated with the cruise lines deals for them to source some of their supplies from within CARICOM.

You have hotel chains like Sandals which can be markets.

No. You prefer bulk sugar sold at one third of the price that it costs to produce it, and the tax payers  be burdened to sustain the jobs of a dying breed of cane cutters. In fact every season brings with it problems in even finding people to cut cane!

There are point I agree and some I disagree with you.  I agree, Guyana is way behind Jamaica when it comes to developing its brands. Jamaica actually invest in building their brands with reps all over the world.  This is an area the PNC may want to explore.

On the issue of markets for refined sugar vs confectioneries, I don't agree, it's not the same.  However, unless you invest in building the brands, it ain't going to happen.  How come Grace (Jamaican) product are all over the WI stores and even in some Walmart?

On Mauritius being "rude", well someone was asleep at the switch and the brand was registered and taken.  So they are not rude.  Maybe Guyana has to acquire the license and use the name.  Not sure it matters at this point.  Maybe Guyana can brand theirs El Dorado (golden crystals)!

I agree with you Guyana has done a poor job building it's brands.  And this is non-partisan as both the PNC and PPP fell short here!  The problem I think, Guyanese are small thinkers and are excited over little things and hallow victories.

Our energies are focused on who will dominate who and who will benefit at the expense of who.  Nothing about the Guyanese mindset is about Guyana and what's good for Guyana.  It all about the PPP and the PNC constituencies.  It's a zero-sum game, we see it as one up and the other down.  And this clouds every issue and decision and nothing substantive ever happens.  I don't see this changing in our lifetime.  The PNC of today has embraced the tradition.

Drugb posted:

 

The fact remains that Skeldon now belongs to the PNC for 1 1/2 years and they have done zero to rectify its problems.  The inefficiency is not solely attributed to the factory but through all phases of the sugar making process from its cultivation, harvesting, transport, heavy labor intensive maintenance etc. 

 

Oh so you FINALLY admit that APNU/AFC have to fix problems created by the PPP.

This year alone they have sunk almost US$60 million into this failing company all because they don't want Jagdeo to run around Guyana screaming "black man a starve ahbe", even as he sent Lindeners into starvation.

These hardcore Anti-koolie racial haters love to BS but they are not stupid. They may be planning to market the sugar to white guilt. They may be planning to call the sugar "fair trade " and market it in packages with the image and story of the enmore martyrs. And sell these packages at University campuses and other places where white guilt usually hangout.

Prashad posted:

These hardcore Anti-koolie racial haters

So why don't you endorse APNU/AFC treating Guysuco workers as the PPP treated the bauxite workers. Selling the company and not caring one fig as to what happens to the workers as most lose their jobs.

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

This banna talk for talk sake and don't go beyond scratching the surface. 

Another is to develop the local confectionery and beverage industry with an eye on export. 

If Guyana cannot create a demand for refined sugar why will they create a demand for candies and juices?  In fact Guyana struggles to market is branded rums, even though they win awards every where.

Guyanese, unlike Jamaicans, don't have a clue about creating a national brand image.  I bet f El Dorado was marketed as a Jamaican rum the demand would be so huge that they wouldn't be able to supply.

So let us deal with that problem. Guyana has no national image, and outside of Guyana, and the islands where Guyanese swarm to like unwanted locusts, no one can even image what a Guyanese is.

You do know that no one in the Eastern Caribbean makes refined sugar.  You do know that CARICOM has negotiated with the cruise lines deals for them to source some of their supplies from within CARICOM.

You have hotel chains like Sandals which can be markets.

No. You prefer bulk sugar sold at one third of the price that it costs to produce it, and the tax payers  be burdened to sustain the jobs of a dying breed of cane cutters. In fact every season brings with it problems in even finding people to cut cane!

There are point I agree and some I disagree with you.  I agree, Guyana is way behind Jamaica when it comes to developing its brands. Jamaica actually invest in building their brands with reps all over the world.  This is an area the PNC may want to explore.

On the issue of markets for refined sugar vs confectioneries, I don't agree, it's not the same.  However, unless you invest in building the brands, it ain't going to happen.  How come Grace (Jamaican) product are all over the WI stores and even in some Walmart?

On Mauritius being "rude", well someone was asleep at the switch and the brand was registered and taken.  So they are not rude.  Maybe Guyana has to acquire the license and use the name.  Not sure it matters at this point.  Maybe Guyana can brand theirs El Dorado (golden crystals)!

I agree with you Guyana has done a poor job building it's brands.  And this is non-partisan as both the PNC and PPP fell short here!  The problem I think, Guyanese are small thinkers and are excited over little things and hallow victories.

Our energies are focused on who will dominate who and who will benefit at the expense of who.  Nothing about the Guyanese mindset is about Guyana and what's good for Guyana.  It all about the PPP and the PNC constituencies.  It's a zero-sum game, we see it as one up and the other down.  And this clouds every issue and decision and nothing substantive ever happens.  I don't see this changing in our lifetime.  The PNC of today has embraced the tradition.

Jamaicans are not stupid they know when to play up to the white man and white woman. They know when to pull out and show bob marley white daddy photo. They know when to put up the photo of Queen Elizabeth as their head of state. Let us not fool ourselves. That is the reason why they have those big hotels and grace kennedy products in cans.

caribny posted:

Prashad posted:

These hardcore Anti-koolie racial haters

So why don't you endorse APNU/AFC treating Guysuco workers as the PPP treated the bauxite workers. Selling the company and not caring one fig as to what happens to the workers as most lose their jobs.

Listen Carib you noticed I did not call you a hardcore anti-koolie racist today. So don't get me started.

Danyael posted:

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He is the most prodigious writer on our sugar industry. I do not know what specifically you know of that is better than he said that makes you think you are superior. If experience with your bilge is anything instructive it is just your big mouth flapping again.

And yes he has has done many summer lecture tours at Harvard. If you complain on things not changing in one and a half years in the industry where was your insight when the PPP ran it backwards to 1973 production levels. 

Writer and doer are totally two different animals. You yourself are a case which is a clear example where writing does not translate into competency.  

He has done no such tour, please post documented evidence of this.  

He is but a dummy who was put in charge of an industry of which he has no practical experience. 

Drugb posted:

Danyael posted:

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He is the most prodigious writer on our sugar industry. I do not know what specifically you know of that is better than he said that makes you think you are superior. If experience with your bilge is anything instructive it is just your big mouth flapping again.

And yes he has has done many summer lecture tours at Harvard. If you complain on things not changing in one and a half years in the industry where was your insight when the PPP ran it backwards to 1973 production levels. 

Writer and doer are totally two different animals. You yourself are a case which is a clear example where writing does not translate into competency.  

He has done no such tour, please post documented evidence of this.  

He is but a dummy who was put in charge of an industry of which he has no practical experience. 

Again you do not know a damn about me but for starters where hands on is concerned I can build a bike from scratch, a boat or repair any engine on electronic component in addition to taking care of your computer networks and programming in any of  a dozen programming language. And yes I can write better than you by a thousand paces and I can also explain things without the constant prejudicial notion I am better because of my genes. Further, I do not have to pretend others are less than me by assuming they are what they are not ie owning dollar stores or working behind the counter of one. The point here is you are a simpleton who argues to the man rather than the issues.

This fellow could have been your economic minister or some component of the PPP upper level administrative personnel if the PPP did not put race first. He has the credentials to speak to what he is writing about because most of what is necessary here to understand the industry is not solvable by one being in the muck but by analysis of the system from a synoptic view. It is about one knowing economies of scale, marketing, branding, product diversification and distribution and from what I read  of his writing he has most of that down. A wise man need not know how to do a thing. He must of necessity know how to gather together the people who know how to perform the tasks and create the symbiosis in the process that would result in the efficient execution of the task. He has that down also. 

The only dummy here is a simpleton being critical without  knowing or even able to  articulate  what are the components of the system he criticizes. First learn to write before presuming you can. You have not explained  a damn thing you think is wrong except the usual crap about you being smart to know others are dunces when you cannot even give us an idea of what you attribute are your knowledge of this system that makes you better than the gentleman you criticize.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

The fact remains that Skeldon now belongs to the PNC for 1 1/2 years and they have done zero to rectify its problems.  The inefficiency is not solely attributed to the factory but through all phases of the sugar making process from its cultivation, harvesting, transport, heavy labor intensive maintenance etc. 

 

Oh so you FINALLY admit that APNU/AFC have to fix problems created by the PPP.

This year alone they have sunk almost US$60 million into this failing company all because they don't want Jagdeo to run around Guyana screaming "black man a starve ahbe", even as he sent Lindeners into starvation.

Listen clown, the PNC is the Govt now.  They inherited and have to deal with that nation's issues.  The PPP took over a bankrupt nation from the PNC and had to deal with that.  They could not complain and shrug on the issues, they had to pick up and run with it.  Whatever problems the PPP left unaddressed pales in comparison to what your PNC left.  Now, if you canot deal with that, run and hide under a rock!!