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Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Vish M:

I am reposting an portion of an article written by Mr Tota Mangar in today's Guyana Chronicle

 

TODAY (May 5, 2014) commemorates the 176th Anniversary of the arrival of East Indian indentured immigrants in Guyana, the former colony of British Guiana. For over three-quarters of a century (1838-1917), Indian indentured labourers were imported from the sub-continent of India to the West Indian colonies, ostensibly to fill the void created as a result of the mass exodus of ex-slaves from plantation labour following the abolition of the despicable system of slavery, and moreso the premature termination of the apprenticeship scheme in 1838.

This influx into the Caribbean in the post-emancipation period of the 19th and early 20th Centuries was only one segment of a wider movement of Indian labourers to other parts of the world, including Mauritius, Ceylon, Fiji, the Strait Settlements, Natal and other parts of the African continent.

 

THINK OF IT THIS WAY:

 

there were famines throughout Bihar and Bengal (mostly caused by greed of the Brahmin Zamindars and East India Company). UP never existed back then. Calcutta was inundated with refugees-by the hundreds of thousands. Dying was everywhere and those prolonged by the mysteries life, were mobile skeletons with just skin attached to bones.

 

The Demerara Slave Revolt of 1823 was put down by savagery-men heads were chopped off and stuck of poles. The news reached England. Wilberforce was determined to put an end to slavery due the savage acts of the colonist.

 

A decade after that, after life long struggles, African slavery was ended.

 

Just in time to save a few hundred thousands from the perils of India-no food, malnourishment, corrupted systems and the slavery to a caste system. 

 

Guyanese of India decent should reflect of the contribution and help given to them through the contact of the first group of indentured with the creoles they met in British Guiana. The creoles shared the language, the food and many more thing that evolved us into a Guyanese society. Forbes and Cheddie took it all away. And the PPP of today have no morals to even try to do a correction. 

 

Duh is a well done commentry dey Seignet. Big Up Seignet!

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

God bless our foreparents.[I support you here, bhai.]

 

We fought against British imperial masters and their oppressive state. [Not we alone. Other races joined us to fight too.]

 

We survived an attempt by the PNC to exterminate us. [The PNC never intended to exterminate us. They had smarts to know we were the main producers of food and wealth. They couldn't exterminate the geese that lay golden eggs.]

 

Today, many of us are worth many many millions. [You talking bout $$$? Many more of us are worth only our labour power.]

 

We kept our distinct culture intact. ["Intact" is not the correct word. Our "distinct culture" has been watered down thru inter-racial marriages and the adoption of Western and even Rasta lifestyles.]

 

We also kept Islam and Hinduism intact despite attempts to strip us of our religious identity. [Take out "intact" here too. Hindu-Muslim mixed marriages are now commonplace, as are Hindu-Christian or Muslim-Christian marriages to a lesser extent. The offspring of these decades-long marriages are neither intact Hindus nor intact Muslims.]

 

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

God bless our foreparents.[I support you here, bhai.]

 

We fought against British imperial masters and their oppressive state. [Not we alone. Other races joined us to fight too.]

 

We survived an attempt by the PNC to exterminate us. [The PNC never intended to exterminate us. They had smarts to know we were the main producers of food and wealth. They couldn't exterminate the geese that lay golden eggs.]

 

Today, many of us are worth many many millions. [You talking bout $$$? Many more of us are worth only our labour power.]

 

We kept our distinct culture intact. ["Intact" is not the correct word. Our "distinct culture" has been watered down thru inter-racial marriages and the adoption of Western and even Rasta lifestyles.]

 

We also kept Islam and Hinduism intact despite attempts to strip us of our religious identity. [Take out "intact" here too. Hindu-Muslim mixed marriages are now commonplace, as are Hindu-Christian or Muslim-Christian marriages to a lesser extent. The offspring of these decades-long marriages are neither intact Hindus nor intact Muslims.]

 

Excellent response there Gilly. I feel very sorry for Yugi.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

God bless our foreparents.[I support you here, bhai.]

 

We fought against British imperial masters and their oppressive state. [Not we alone. Other races joined us to fight too.]

 

We survived an attempt by the PNC to exterminate us. [The PNC never intended to exterminate us. They had smarts to know we were the main producers of food and wealth. They couldn't exterminate the geese that lay golden eggs.]

 

Today, many of us are worth many many millions. [You talking bout $$$? Many more of us are worth only our labour power.]

 

We kept our distinct culture intact. ["Intact" is not the correct word. Our "distinct culture" has been watered down thru inter-racial marriages and the adoption of Western and even Rasta lifestyles.]

 

We also kept Islam and Hinduism intact despite attempts to strip us of our religious identity. [Take out "intact" here too. Hindu-Muslim mixed marriages are now commonplace, as are Hindu-Christian or Muslim-Christian marriages to a lesser extent. The offspring of these decades-long marriages are neither intact Hindus nor intact Muslims.]

 


Gilbakker...this is a classic response nailing the misinformation in the post of whoever is Yugi....

 

Two points caught me attention.....many races and nationalities came together to advocate and struggle for free and fair elections....here in North America we had at one time more international folks helping us than Guyanese .....

 

Also Burnham learned from Eric Williams not to stifle the Indian businesses as those businesses were the forces helping to  generate  wealth for the country....yes Burnham squeezed the Indians but he wasn't trying to " exterminate " them.....other ethnic groups like the Portuguese and Chinese  also felt the squuze....

FM
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by Chief:

Vishnu,

What do you mean by Happy Indian Arrival day?

It means we were happy to be taken out from the slums of India and go into paradise, Chief.

Thanks Cobra.

I wonder why some coolies still refer to India as the mother land.

My mother land is Guyana because my mother was born there. People consider India their mother land out of respect since Guyanese Indian fore-parents came from India. I wouldn't sweat over it, though.

FM
Originally Posted by Churchill:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

God bless our foreparents.[I support you here, bhai.]

 

We fought against British imperial masters and their oppressive state. [Not we alone. Other races joined us to fight too.]

 

We survived an attempt by the PNC to exterminate us. [The PNC never intended to exterminate us. They had smarts to know we were the main producers of food and wealth. They couldn't exterminate the geese that lay golden eggs.]

 

Today, many of us are worth many many millions. [You talking bout $$$? Many more of us are worth only our labour power.]

 

We kept our distinct culture intact. ["Intact" is not the correct word. Our "distinct culture" has been watered down thru inter-racial marriages and the adoption of Western and even Rasta lifestyles.]

 

We also kept Islam and Hinduism intact despite attempts to strip us of our religious identity. [Take out "intact" here too. Hindu-Muslim mixed marriages are now commonplace, as are Hindu-Christian or Muslim-Christian marriages to a lesser extent. The offspring of these decades-long marriages are neither intact Hindus nor intact Muslims.]

 


Gilbakker...this is a classic response nailing the misinformation in the post of whoever is Yugi....

 

Two points caught me attention.....many races and nationalities came together to advocate and struggle for free and fair elections....here in North America we had at one time more international folks helping us than Guyanese .....

 

Also Burnham learned from Eric Williams not to stifle the Indian businesses as those businesses were the forces helping to  generate  wealth for the country....yes Burnham squeezed the Indians but he wasn't trying to " exterminate " them.....other ethnic groups like the Portuguese and Chinese  also felt the squuze....

Burnham did not squeeze any particular ethnic business as you correctly pointed out.

 

WHat he did was to destroy private enterprise crossing every ethnic line. From the putagees who were importing cars, to the chineese who were making chowmein  to the Indians who had bus services, just to name a few.  Burnham did this with the blessings and cooperation of Cheddie jAGAN whose only dream was to transform Guyana into a communist/socialist state.

Chief
Originally Posted by Chief:
out.

 

WHat he did was to destroy private enterprise crossing every ethnic line. From the putagees who were importing cars, to the chineese who were making chowmein  to the Indians who had bus services, just to name a few.  Burnham did this with the blessings and cooperation of Cheddie jAGAN whose only dream was to transform Guyana into a communist/socialist state.

And blacks who were independent farmers and tradesmen.  The last thing that Burnham wanted was a group of blacks economically strong enough to tell him to fxxxk off!  He wanted them dependent on his patronage.

 

Indians ought to be lucky that Jagan was tossed out or he would have turned them into idiots only capable of reciting Marx and Lenin.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by baseman:

After living in India for  few years, I am more grateful than ever that my fore-fathers hopped on that boat and got the hell out of that place.

Why so??  I hope you are not judging a whole Country by a minority.

The minority behaves in the same way as they do in Guyana. A total disdain for the rest of the population, wide spread corruption, and a lazy government.

Mr.T
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by baseman:

After living in India for  few years, I am more grateful than ever that my fore-fathers hopped on that boat and got the hell out of that place.

Why so??  I hope you are not judging a whole Country by a minority.

I traveled all corners, believe me, we are better off in Guyana, except for the minority of super rich.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by baseman:

After living in India for  few years, I am more grateful than ever that my fore-fathers hopped on that boat and got the hell out of that place.

Why so??  I hope you are not judging a whole Country by a minority.

I traveled all corners, believe me, we are better off in Guyana, except for the minority of super rich.

Would you say the Middle Class is about 400 MILLION People??

Nehru
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India’s middle class awakes

| Nov 23, 2013, 01.13 AM IST

 
 
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There is an unfamiliar animal sprawled across the war rooms of most political parties ahead of the 2014 polls. It is the Indian middle class. Not so long ago, its presence was insignificant. Hard-nosed political strategists dismissed it as of little consequence, and they could not be faulted. Most members of this class were self-righteously disinterested in politics; they voted but sporadically; their vision rarely transcended their immediate familial and municipal concerns; and their numbers constituted neither a tactically consolidated bloc, nor a significant numerical size.

But something has changed this time round. The docile, half asleep animal is stirring itself. And nobody is really sure of the consequences of ignoring its importance. There are tangible reasons for this turnaround. If we take a strictly economic criterion of defining a middle class person as anybody who belongs to a household which has a monthly income of between Rs 20,000 and Rs 100,000 a month, the middle class starts to look very substantial. Estimates reveal that as per this criterion the size of the middle class in 1996 was a paltry 25 million. Today, it is in excess of 160 million. And, by 2015, its numbers are expected to go up to 267 million.

This is a very significant critical mass. It is pan-Indian in scale. It has a certain homogeneity, which while not entirely insulated from narrower regional or local considerations, gives it an identifiable commonality of interest. It is educated. It has similar aspirations, and similar expectation levels.

These attributes have been boosted by two very important developments. The first is instant connectivity. Almost every member of the middle class possesses a mobile. And a large part of it is an avid user of social media. Today, this is a class which is in instant and constant conversation with itself. Secondly, it now cohabits an era of 24x7 news. Its pan-Indian dispersal is unified by the relentless national dissemination of news, of which again it is the single biggest consumer.

Political pundits have also carefully watched the slow, selective yet definitive foray of this class in matters outside its traditionally narrow ken of interests. The first signs of this were visible in the Jessica Lal case when Manu Sharma, the accused, who had killed her in 1999 in front of dozens of witnesses, was acquitted in February 2006. For the first time, through candle light vigils and other public displays of anger, the middle class publicly expressed its anger, leading to the verdict being reversed.

More recently, the same nationwide mobilisation was visible during the peak of the Anna Hazare campaign in 2011 against corruption. The large crowds that thronged his public meetings consisted of large segments of the middle class. There were over 4 lakh people supporting his campaign on Facebook. One and a half crore calls were made to the designated phone number in Mumbai in his support. The Nirbhaya rape case in New Delhi in December 2012 again saw this class braving water cannons, shouting slogans, holding protest marches and courting arrest across the country.

Does all of this make the middle class a potent political entity? Yes and no. Yes because it cannot be ignored any longer. And, no because it is still disorganised; it does not have a pan-Indian leadership; its protests are largely limited only to matters which pertain to its own world; it is mostly oblivious to or indifferent about larger issues affecting those below it; and it has displayed a dismaying lack of sustained and in-depth consideration of the pros and cons of policy alternatives. Its anger on issues of lack of governance, corruption, women's safety and price rise is valid; but this anger has also been much too sporadic, often incoherent, and lacking organisational rigour.

The unpreparedness of the middle class for the national role it can potentially play has created a rather serious situation. Its numbers, accessibility and rising levels of anger at the state of things in the country provide a rich harvest for calculating politicians. But its inability to look beyond the immediate, and to posit an alternative vision that combines anger with a well considered blueprint for change, makes it rather easy cannon fodder for those who wish to exploit it. The challenge before the middle class is to contribute to national development with an equitable and comprehensive alternative vision that compels the political class to rethink its strategies on governance, populism, demagoguery, false promises, social divisiveness and electoral and financial malfeasance.

The national elections of 2014 will be a litmus test for the middle class. Mere display of anger will give it a short term importance; different political parties will fuel this anger for partisan short term ends; they will play to the gallery of middle class angst in the hope that this is all that is needed to seduce this class.

But the middle class must understand that anger and alienation without deliberation and careful consideration of what needs to change and in what manner, will be exploited, subsumed, subverted or derailed. For the first time since 1947 the middle class is a player in national politics. The time has come for it to make its choices carefully.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by yuji22:
TOP ARTICLE
 

India’s middle class awakes

| Nov 23, 2013, 01.13 AM IST

 
 
Share1
 
There is an unfamiliar animal sprawled across the war rooms of most political parties ahead of the 2014 polls. It is the Indian middle class. Not so long ago, its presence was insignificant. Hard-nosed political strategists dismissed it as of little consequence, and they could not be faulted. Most members of this class were self-righteously disinterested in politics; they voted but sporadically; their vision rarely transcended their immediate familial and municipal concerns; and their numbers constituted neither a tactically consolidated bloc, nor a significant numerical size.

But something has changed this time round. The docile, half asleep animal is stirring itself. And nobody is really sure of the consequences of ignoring its importance. There are tangible reasons for this turnaround. If we take a strictly economic criterion of defining a middle class person as anybody who belongs to a household which has a monthly income of between Rs 20,000 and Rs 100,000 a month, the middle class starts to look very substantial. Estimates reveal that as per this criterion the size of the middle class in 1996 was a paltry 25 million. Today, it is in excess of 160 million. And, by 2015, its numbers are expected to go up to 267 million.

This is a very significant critical mass. It is pan-Indian in scale. It has a certain homogeneity, which while not entirely insulated from narrower regional or local considerations, gives it an identifiable commonality of interest. It is educated. It has similar aspirations, and similar expectation levels.

These attributes have been boosted by two very important developments. The first is instant connectivity. Almost every member of the middle class possesses a mobile. And a large part of it is an avid user of social media. Today, this is a class which is in instant and constant conversation with itself. Secondly, it now cohabits an era of 24x7 news. Its pan-Indian dispersal is unified by the relentless national dissemination of news, of which again it is the single biggest consumer.

Political pundits have also carefully watched the slow, selective yet definitive foray of this class in matters outside its traditionally narrow ken of interests. The first signs of this were visible in the Jessica Lal case when Manu Sharma, the accused, who had killed her in 1999 in front of dozens of witnesses, was acquitted in February 2006. For the first time, through candle light vigils and other public displays of anger, the middle class publicly expressed its anger, leading to the verdict being reversed.

More recently, the same nationwide mobilisation was visible during the peak of the Anna Hazare campaign in 2011 against corruption. The large crowds that thronged his public meetings consisted of large segments of the middle class. There were over 4 lakh people supporting his campaign on Facebook. One and a half crore calls were made to the designated phone number in Mumbai in his support. The Nirbhaya rape case in New Delhi in December 2012 again saw this class braving water cannons, shouting slogans, holding protest marches and courting arrest across the country.

Does all of this make the middle class a potent political entity? Yes and no. Yes because it cannot be ignored any longer. And, no because it is still disorganised; it does not have a pan-Indian leadership; its protests are largely limited only to matters which pertain to its own world; it is mostly oblivious to or indifferent about larger issues affecting those below it; and it has displayed a dismaying lack of sustained and in-depth consideration of the pros and cons of policy alternatives. Its anger on issues of lack of governance, corruption, women's safety and price rise is valid; but this anger has also been much too sporadic, often incoherent, and lacking organisational rigour.

The unpreparedness of the middle class for the national role it can potentially play has created a rather serious situation. Its numbers, accessibility and rising levels of anger at the state of things in the country provide a rich harvest for calculating politicians. But its inability to look beyond the immediate, and to posit an alternative vision that combines anger with a well considered blueprint for change, makes it rather easy cannon fodder for those who wish to exploit it. The challenge before the middle class is to contribute to national development with an equitable and comprehensive alternative vision that compels the political class to rethink its strategies on governance, populism, demagoguery, false promises, social divisiveness and electoral and financial malfeasance.

The national elections of 2014 will be a litmus test for the middle class. Mere display of anger will give it a short term importance; different political parties will fuel this anger for partisan short term ends; they will play to the gallery of middle class angst in the hope that this is all that is needed to seduce this class.

But the middle class must understand that anger and alienation without deliberation and careful consideration of what needs to change and in what manner, will be exploited, subsumed, subverted or derailed. For the first time since 1947 the middle class is a player in national politics. The time has come for it to make its choices carefully.

Thank you Yuji Bhai.

Nehru

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