caribny posted:

Zed posted:

I have argued that Carib is a racist and he propagates racism here. He says that East Indians make statements regarding how they are scared that Afro Guyanese will rape their daughters or that Afro Guyanese will murder them, etc. You all know the starkness of the statements. What he is doing is making the same statements in a round about way so he can say, if accused, that he was just repeating what was said. 

In fact anyone who exposes the truth of Indian racism and attitudes towards blacks gets called a racist by you.

In fact we had the lie of Indian girls getting raped by blacks peddled all of the time. Jagdeo screamed this during the campaign, using "GDF" when he fully knew that he meant "black".  He even peddles that poison to Amerindians when he screamed that if the PNC wins all straight haired people will be killed.

You would have us believe that the only racists in Guyana are blacks and the only time racism occurs is under a PNC regime and only Indians are its victims.

Well you sir are a racist for peddling or implicitly accepting this view. I have NEVER seen you make any comment about Indian racism or why the vast majority of blacks in Guyana fear the PPP.  Clearly you have no interest in the fate of the African or mixed identified communities in Guyana, even as they collectively account for 50% of the population!

You choose to ignore that I have condemned the racism exhibited on this site, and I have told you that I will not waste my time in exercises of futility. That does not fit into your narrative that everyone who question your mode of posting opinions as facts is racist.

Additionally, please post anything that I have posted to indicate that only Indo-Guyanese are the victims of racism or that only blacks are racists. Also, for your info, I view both Indo-Guyanese and Afro-Guyanese as blacks. Remember when you accused me of lying when I indentified myself as black!

the question I have is this - Why is it that such claims supposedly made by Jagdeo about Indo-Guyanese females being raped by PN C supporters finds so much traction among Indo-Guyanese? Is it because there were several instance of this occurring? Is this feeling reinforced by the recent occurrence of young Afro-Guyanese men showing their penis to demonstrators?  Or is reinforced by the absence of any criticism of this action by any member of government?(as far as I know)

You are a racist!  Your mode of operation is to attribute to others those attitudes you have and hold, to create paper tigers that you can feel good when you supposedly shout them down. The true mode of a racist bully! 

kp posted:

 

YOU ARE A BLACK KKK RACIST FULL STOP.

I have asked people to describe how I am a racist and they never seem able to. What they despise is my refusal to let Indians paint blacks as the sole cause of Guyana's problems.

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

 

Since the coalition assumed power, the divisions in Gutana

Interesting that life under the PPP was a paradise and there was minimal racism or ethnically based distrust.  Funny that few blacks would agree with you.

Thanks for making my point that the vast majority of Indians just cannot think beyond their Indianness.  Blacks complained loudly about being marginalized especially after 2000.  You didn't listen because you are an Indian and as an Indian you don't care.  When I raised that issue I was called a racist for doing so.

Its now that the shoe is on the other foot you now scream.

Understand this. EVERYTHING that Indians are now undergoing in Guyana blacks underwent especially after 2000. I have no sympathy for the plight of the Indian because they have no sympathy for the plight of the African.all blac

On the ground, many blacks are saying that things were better under Jagdeo that under the Coalition. By the way, I mean from both of the major ethnic groups. 

Regardless of how you want to deny it, the lives of blacks in Guyana increased considerably under the PPP /c governments after the economical disaster they suffered under the PNC dictatorship. 

Additionally, Indo-Guyanese do not seek your sympathy. It is obvious to me that to you, those Indo-Guyanese who spoke out against the excesses of the Jagdeo government are not East Indians.  Regardless of the dire circumstances they often face, t0indo-Guyanese strive to survive and grow, and many succeed at these and become the object of envy and ridicule.

caribny posted:

kp posted:

 

YOU ARE A BLACK KKK RACIST FULL STOP.

I have asked people to describe how I am a racist and they never seem able to. What they despise is my refusal to let Indians paint blacks as the sole cause of Guyana's problems.

The MINUTE you open your mouth.

Carib pretends to dislike both the PPP and PNC to make himself appear as a neutral person on the issue of race and politics. With his open racism against Indians and his blunt support for every action of the PNC I can confidently say his claim of neutrality is a hoax. This is a man who defends rigged elections and racial violence. How can I not see him as a racist when has supported and condoned some of the most despicable acts of racism in Guyana.  Go fly a kite Carib.  We know you are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

caribny posted: Unlike some of you I have a business to run and clients to tend to so I don't have all day to post.

 

What are you selling today, bwana --- plantation chips, massa cookies, foo-foo, coo-coo, or race hate?

caribny posted:

kp posted:

 

YOU ARE A BLACK KKK RACIST FULL STOP.

I have asked people to describe how I am a racist and they never seem able to. What they despise is my refusal to let Indians paint blacks as the sole cause of Guyana's problems.

In this thread, I told you how. Please reread it. You seem to,ignore that part of my responses. But again, this is for your racist narrative.

caribny posted:

 

The PPP is a plantation.

Carib, why do you say that the PPP is a plantation?

caribny posted:

 

In fact the English didn't see Indians as being any better and in fact in that period the African middle class was more involved in the civil service and other fields than were Indians.

Indians were mostly Hindus and Muslims so they wouldn't have had as much opportunity as the mostly Christian Blacks to be in civil service.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

 

In fact the English didn't see Indians as being any better and in fact in that period the African middle class was more involved in the civil service and other fields than were Indians.

Indians were mostly Hindus and Muslims so they wouldn't have had as much opportunity as the mostly Christian Blacks to be in civil service.

When the British ruled Guyana in the earlier days, the schools were all Christian based schools, for instance, I attended Uitvlugt Church of Scotland School and so on, also the nursing training school was run by the Church. What I am getting at is, Hindus and Muslims who are Indians were not allowed to get into the nursing and teaching occupations, so even if they went to the Christian Church, they were forced to convert to a religion just to get a job.That is why, today many Indians have Christian names. Even the civil Service which was controlled by the Whites, used religion to select employees. So Blacks were given a fair shake after slavery was abolished, they were all Christians. That is why not so long ago the teachers, nurses and government employees were predominantly Blacks. Soon before Independence the British had to stop discriminating . Remember, in the early days of discovery of the New World, the Whites were trying to convert the Native Indians into Christianity .and they continue doing so there after. using religion to exploit people.

KP,

there were reasons for not allowing the East Indians to be become educated,they had to keep their labor force for the plantations.

Django posted:

KP,

there were reasons for not allowing the East Indians to be become educated,they had to keep their labor force for the plantations.

The British screwed up because we now gettin the backlash with some moronic postings from some backward people dem.

caribny posted:

kp posted:

 

YOU ARE A BLACK KKK RACIST FULL STOP.

I have asked people to describe how I am a racist and they never seem able to. What they despise is my refusal to let Indians paint blacks as the sole cause of Guyana's problems.

I do not consider u  a raciist, never have.

But u do go on wid some nonsense, which is one sided.

All of what u write about, I've heard many many times. You see, I had good sense early in age and I remember waht took place the morning when the PPP split. Since, that time Black ppl never hide their feelings about Indian ppl. And I believe some Indians replied with blows and words.

I suspect u disagree with the things Granger is doing?

Granger gone vane.  Terrible thing when a man sees the light and choose to go into darkness where evil strives. 

He chuckled the other day. What does that mean? I know God already knows his heart-the place of good and evil. 

kp posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

 

In fact the English didn't see Indians as being any better and in fact in that period the African middle class was more involved in the civil service and other fields than were Indians.

Indians were mostly Hindus and Muslims so they wouldn't have had as much opportunity as the mostly Christian Blacks to be in civil service.

When the British ruled Guyana in the earlier days, the schools were all Christian based schools, for instance, I attended Uitvlugt Church of Scotland School and so on, also the nursing training school was run by the Church. What I am getting at is, Hindus and Muslims who are Indians were not allowed to get into the nursing and teaching occupations, so even if they went to the Christian Church, they were forced to convert to a religion just to get a job.That is why, today many Indians have Christian names. Even the civil Service which was controlled by the Whites, used religion to select employees. So Blacks were given a fair shake after slavery was abolished, they were all Christians. That is why not so long ago the teachers, nurses and government employees were predominantly Blacks. Soon before Independence the British had to stop discriminating . Remember, in the early days of discovery of the New World, the Whites were trying to convert the Native Indians into Christianity .and they continue doing so there after. using religion to exploit people.

Bhai, dem blacks teachers educate you. And the Churches educated them. Imagine, if there was no education available in Guyana.

And, another thing, East Indians in their very early existence in BG sent their children to England to study. Just check their history. There were Madrassie who were school teachers and magistrate in BG. And Early.

Please do not fall into the trap thinking that all ignorant ppl came from India to BG. Dem ppl was well aware of education back then. Otherwise how will they have stressed to their chidren to be educated. The British Churches established the English Language education system in India.

Today, examine the confusion among muslims and hindus. Back then it would have been the same. The Churches unified the education where everyone had an even break. Which eventually caused the Blacks to be displaced of jobs due to the educated competition.

kp posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

 

In fact the English didn't see Indians as being any better and in fact in that period the African middle class was more involved in the civil service and other fields than were Indians.

Indians were mostly Hindus and Muslims so they wouldn't have had as much opportunity as the mostly Christian Blacks to be in civil service.

When the British ruled Guyana in the earlier days, the schools were all Christian based schools, for instance, I attended Uitvlugt Church of Scotland School and so on, also the nursing training school was run by the Church. What I am getting at is, Hindus and Muslims who are Indians were not allowed to get into the nursing and teaching occupations, so even if they went to the Christian Church, they were forced to convert to a religion just to get a job.That is why, today many Indians have Christian names. Even the civil Service which was controlled by the Whites, used religion to select employees. So Blacks were given a fair shake after slavery was abolished, they were all Christians. That is why not so long ago the teachers, nurses and government employees were predominantly Blacks. Soon before Independence the British had to stop discriminating . Remember, in the early days of discovery of the New World, the Whites were trying to convert the Native Indians into Christianity .and they continue doing so there after. using religion to exploit people.

Did you become a Christian to get your teacher job?

seignet posted:

 

I suspect u disagree with the things Granger is doing?

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My opinion of Granger has been expressed many times.  My opinion of the Burnham constitution has been expressed many times.  I have stated that neither Granger nor Jagdeo have any intention of changing this constitution as they love the power that accrues to whoever is president.

Those who join sides in this GECOM fiasco are stooges.  The whole applecart needs to be overturned with a focus on a fair and inclusive constitution.  But some got suckered into by Jagdeo who set a trap for Granger.  The latter not being the sharpest knife in the drawer fell for this.

kp posted:

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The MINUTE you open your mouth.

So you cannot produce any evidence.  Just as I thought.

Zed posted:

 

In this thread, I told you how. Please reread it. You seem to,ignore that part of my responses. But again, this is for your racist narrative.

No you didn't.  You wish to pretend that racism doesn't exist within the Indian population and that the PPP doesn't exploit these sentiments.  You then become angry when I expose this and scream that I am a racist.

FACT.  Racism among Indians to blacks exists.

FACT. While everyone will gladly chatter about black racism towards Indians, even blacks (Walter Rodney, Andaiye and many others), any talk of Indian racism is considered a racist act.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

 

The PPP is a plantation.

Carib, why do you say that the PPP is a plantation?

Because they think that they own YOU!

Gilbakka posted:

caribny posted: Unlike some of you I have a business to run and clients to tend to so I don't have all day to post.

 

What are you selling today, bwana --- plantation chips, massa cookies, foo-foo, coo-coo, or race hate?

Wow. The degree to which you have been impacted by your new Indo KKK bigoted friends. Employing every single stereotype of all that you think that a black person is capable of.

Gilbakka you have done excellently in proving that few Indo Guyanese are capable of thinking outside of the Indian box and at some point their latent racism towards blacks becomes manifest.  D2 mentioned this and instead of that triggering an intelligent discussion on Indian ethnocentric attitudes he was lambasted for being a racist.  Yet daily people harangue about the PNC and blacks and how they treated Indians.

Even you going on as if the only guilty parties in the 60s violence were blacks.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

With his open racism against Indians

Do I daily post stereotypes that blacks have of Indians, drunkenness, spousal abuse, incest, greed, money obsession, immorality and lacking the basics of ethics?

No!  My focus is to ensure that Indian racism towards blacks is EXPOSED! You all don't want this to be discussed as it removes your ability to scream "black man bad, Indian good, so black man has to apologize".

Not going to happen under my watch.

But many of you, including YOU peddle the Indian stereotypes of blacks, laziness, violence, and basically useless, and lacking any culture, and this is when you aren't making fun of Afro Guyanese/Caribbean culture.

Clear to see who the racists are here, but given that you are one of them it is understood why you don't see this.

Do I daily post stereotypes that blacks have of Indians, drunkenness, spousal abuse, incest, greed, money obsession, immorality and lacking the basics of ethics?

 YES, YOU HAVE JUST DONE IT. GO AND SELL THAT SHIT TO YOUR TRIBE. AND YOU WONDER WHY YOU ARE A RACIST.

caribny posted:

Gilbakka posted:

caribny posted: Unlike some of you I have a business to run and clients to tend to so I don't have all day to post.

 

What are you selling today, bwana --- plantation chips, massa cookies, foo-foo, coo-coo, or race hate?

Wow. The degree to which you have been impacted by your new Indo KKK bigoted friends. Employing every single stereotype of all that you think that a black person is capable of.

Gilbakka you have done excellently in proving that few Indo Guyanese are capable of thinking outside of the Indian box and at some point their latent racism towards blacks becomes manifest.  D2 mentioned this and instead of that triggering an intelligent discussion on Indian ethnocentric attitudes he was lambasted for being a racist.  Yet daily people harangue about the PNC and blacks and how they treated Indians.

Even you going on as if the only guilty parties in the 60s violence were blacks.

I keep reiterating that YOU started a personal war against me. You called me 'Jagdeo slave', 'dishonest dog' with 'tribal loyalities' etc. An affront.

GNI RULES warn against personal attacks. STOP YOUR VERBAL BULLYISM AGAINST GILBAKKA. In my adult life I've stood up to bigger bullies than you.

Once more I say: when you stop, I shall stop. We can express our opinions to each other without personal attacks. The ball is in your court. One more thing: do not look for hidden messages in my comments; you will only find them in your own head.

kp posted:

Do I daily post stereotypes that blacks have of Indians, drunkenness, spousal abuse, incest, greed, money obsession, immorality and lacking the basics of ethics?

 YES, YOU HAVE JUST DONE IT. GO AND SELL THAT SHIT TO YOUR TRIBE. AND YOU WONDER WHY YOU ARE A RACIST.

You nail it at this drunken racist. 

Dave posted:

kp posted:

Do I daily post stereotypes that blacks have of Indians, drunkenness, spousal abuse, incest, greed, money obsession, immorality and lacking the basics of ethics?

 YES, YOU HAVE JUST DONE IT. GO AND SELL THAT SHIT TO YOUR TRIBE. AND YOU WONDER WHY YOU ARE A RACIST.

You nail it at this drunken racist. 

Caribj is not a racist.

Putting it bluntly, he just like rubbing shit on Indian ppl faces. He has been seying, both races have a great many faults.

The things is, how will the new beginning take hold.

seignet posted:

Dave posted:

kp posted:

Do I daily post stereotypes that blacks have of Indians, drunkenness, spousal abuse, incest, greed, money obsession, immorality and lacking the basics of ethics?

 YES, YOU HAVE JUST DONE IT. GO AND SELL THAT SHIT TO YOUR TRIBE. AND YOU WONDER WHY YOU ARE A RACIST.

You nail it at this drunken racist. 

Caribj is not a racist.

Putting it bluntly, he just like rubbing shit on Indian ppl faces. He has been seying, both races have a great many faults.

The things is, how will the new beginning take hold.

Agreed.

Both sides of the fence are guilty,some of us grow up like that,what is good for the goose should be the same for the gander.

Following a few FB pages,there are gross disparaging remarks towards Afro Guyanese in the homeland,noticeably the Afro's are more resilient and doesn't retaliate.

Just my observation.

Since this is not about the whereabouts of Joey and is turning into another race thread...it will be closed