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Afghans express skepticism over shooting account

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Afghans expressed doubt Monday that a single U.S. Army soldier could have shot and killed 16 civilians in houses over a mile (2 kilometers) apart and burned the bodies afterward. The killings in southern Afghanistan have reignited fury at the U.S. presence following a wave of deadly protests over Americans burning Qurans.

The U.S. military has said there is no indication that more than one soldier carried out the attacks in two villages in Kandahar province before dawn Sunday. The soldier blamed for the shootings is in custody. But villagers told Afghan officials they heard shots being fired from several directions.

The attack threatens to bring the widest breach yet in U.S.-Afghan relations, raising questions both in Washington and Kabul about why American troops are still fighting in Afghanistan after 10 years of conflict and the killing of Osama bin Laden.

U.S. and Afghan officials have said the attack began around 3 a.m. in the villages of Balandi and Alkozai in Panjwai district, a rural region outside Kandahar that is the cradle of the Taliban and where coalition forces have fought for control for years. The villages are roughly 500 yards (meters) from a U.S. base.

Villagers told The Associated Press on Sunday that a single soldier roamed from house to house firing on those inside. They said he entered three homes in all and set fire to some of the bodies. Eleven of the dead were from a single family, and nine of the victims were children.

But Abdul Rahim Ayubi, a lawmaker from Kandahar province, said the houses that were attacked were over a mile (2 kilometers) apart, raising questions about how a single soldier could have carried out all of the shootings.

"It is not possible for only one American soldier to come out of his base, kill a number of people far away, burn the bodies, go to another house and kill civilians there, then walk at least 2 kilometers and enter another house, kill civilians and burn them," said Ayubi.

Abdul Ghani, a local councilman in Panjwai district, said local villagers reported seeing two groups of soldiers.

"The villagers said they were hearing machine gun fire and pistol fire from different directions," said Ghani.

A spokesman for U.S.-led forces, U.S. Army Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings, said Monday that their reports still indicate a single soldier carried out the attacks.

"There's no indication that there was more than one shooter," said Cummings.

The Afghan defense ministry said Monday that its initial reports also indicate one soldier carried out the attacks, but they left open the possibility there could have been be more.

"The Afghan defense ministry requests a trial for the perpetrator or perpetrators of this attack," said a statement.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai also left open the possibility of more than one shooter in a statement Sunday. He initially spoke of a single U.S. gunman, then referred to "American forces" entering houses. The statement quoted a 15-year-old survivor named Rafiullah, who was shot in the leg, as telling Karzai in a phone call that "soldiers" broke into his house, woke up his family and began shooting them.

"This is an assassination, an intentional killing of innocent civilians and cannot be forgiven," Karzai said.

U.S. officials have identified the shooter as an Army staff sergeant and said initial reports indicated he returned to the base after the shooting and turned himself in.

The suspect, from Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Wash., was assigned to support a special operations unit of either Green Berets or Navy SEALs engaged in a village stability operation, said a U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still ongoing.

Special operations troops pair with villagers chosen by village elders to become essentially a sanctioned, armed neighborhood watch.

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Obama should pull these guys outta Afghanistan before more incidents like this occur.

1. The soldiers are battle fatigued doing too many tours of duty in a battlezone wears the sensitivities.

2.  The type of war is very unconventional and threats are 360, 24/7 which creates trigger nervousness .

3. New recruited soldiers are not fighting for a cause but for the paid job so, they are not mentally prepared for such a war.

Pull these guys outta there before it gets worse !

FM
Originally Posted by kidmost:

Obama should pull these guys outta Afghanistan before more incidents like this occur.

1. The soldiers are battle fatigued doing too many tours of duty in a battlezone wears the sensitivities.

2.  The type of war is very unconventional and threats are 360, 24/7 which creates trigger nervousness .

3. New recruited soldiers are not fighting for a cause but for the paid job so, they are not mentally prepared for such a war.

Pull these guys outta there before it gets worse !

Given your observations above, you should have no problem understanding the actions of the Palestinians who have been born, raised and are expected to die in those refugee camps under the brutal Israeli occupation.

FM

This is clearly an isolated incident, a soldier lost his marbles and went on a rampage. A scenario that is played out several times a year in the US where we have workers going postal or kids shooting up their schools. A true American export to Afghanistan. Look for the Taliban to capitalize on this incident just as they did with the Koran burning. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

This is clearly an isolated incident, a soldier lost his marbles and went on a rampage. A scenario that is played out several times a year in the US where we have workers going postal or kids shooting up their schools. A true American export to Afghanistan. Look for the Taliban to capitalize on this incident just as they did with the Koran burning. 


This is a typical incident. The tip of the iceberg; one of the few that make it to the media.

FM

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