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Freddie? Hey hey hey...Mr Ronan is who he talkin bout?

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Understanding income and wealth distribution: getting the basics right

The state of wealth and income distribution in a society is very important for social consensus and cohesion. Various traditions of economics have established models and theories of how distribution determines not only the business cycle (the short term), but also long-term economic growth. It was in this context, I launched a series of columns on the ethnic security dilemmas (ESDs) and their implication for economic outcomes today. Distribution of income and wealth is at the core of the ESDs.

My primary argument has been that the ESDs are based on economic insecurity which impels people to take political actions and resort to stereotyping. When we look at the ESDs in this framework, we observe that the actions of each group takes into account the actions of the other – hence, we have here problems of low inter-group trust and high strategic uncertainty. There is no guilty ethnic group, just aggregate economic losers as each group does what it perceives is best for itself – thus, the classic definition of a social dilemma.

I maintain that culture does not explain differences in income and wealth distribution today. Culture is determined by the structure of production, which itself is determined by external constraints and geography. If people are given a fair opportunity, their culture will evolve as the structure of production changes. So-called ‘good’ culture tends to evolve in places where the production structure is more complex. Complexity of production means several things, but at its most basic level it implies the society can produce and export goods and services which have high income elasticity of demand. The latter implies, to give one example, if an industry produces sugar, bauxite or gold bars, then over a long period of time every 1% increase in world income might result in at most 0.2% increase in income of the masses of people working in those sectors. And if the good is an inferior good (as I suspect is bulk sugar, but I have to consult some academic journals on this), then the same 1% increase in world income could engender a 0.2% decrease in the incomes of people working there. However, the outcome changes if the same industries could produce slightly more complex things like heritage tourism, power generation, biodiesel and palm/coconut oils, red wine from antidesma, or jewellery.

The discussion on the ESDs, however, has been somewhat derailed recently. It seems that to be considered non-racist, I have to say categorically that Indians own 95% of the income and wealth in Guyana. There is no room for nuances. Being familiar with the methodologies used by economists to calculate these things, I cannot make such a clear-cut call until we have better data. Apparently because the economist Piketty produced the state of income distribution in United States and Europe in a book, which took him several years to write, we can just produce same overnight for Guyana. The chest-beating nationalist did not estimate them in a 26-year academic career.

We do not have access to the quality tax data that Piketty had. The name Piketty was just thrown out there to feign understanding of the issue, confuse and derail. If we use the data from the Guyana Revenue Authority (assuming we can even get access to it), we will not have an accurate measure of the distribution of income, let alone by ethnicity. It should also be noted that Piketty’s study of inequality says absolutely nothing about distribution by ethnicity, which I believe is necessary in Guyana for addressing the problem of distrust. Piketty studied and reported on overall personal-income and functional-income distributions, which mean different things. The primary reasons why Guyana Revenue Authority data cannot be used is because of the underreporting of incomes and an estimate that puts the underground economy around 40% of official Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

Therefore, we will need an indirect methodology, taking into account historical events, such as the PNC’s party paramountcy, the Economic Recovery Programme and the privatisations, elected oligarchy under PPP/C, and recent Grangerian patronage systems.

The public sector has always been a major source of wage income (civil service) and profit/surplus income (state-owned firms), as well as the foreign sector which earns profit income via Foreign Direct Investments (FDIs). Indians do earn a fair share of profit income as do African businesses. However, I would say with a fair degree of confidence that Indians do earn a higher share of profit income compared with Africans. Then, of course, there are proprietary/partnership profit incomes plus owners’ salary. Professionals who have their own firms earn profit incomes plus salary. There is also mining incomes from those who own dredges. Just a few Indians tend to earn a large share of the profit incomes from rice farming. There are also a few large publicly traded firms and banks. How do we determine who owns the shares in the publicly traded companies? This would be a hard one to decompose in terms of ethnicity. Then, we have to figure out rental incomes and so on.

There is also another major conceptual problem: asset or wealth distribution. Income is a flow over time while wealth is a stock at a given time. We should at least demonstrate knowledge of stocks versus flows before making categorical statements about distribution. These are two different issues and will require two different studies to fully address them. We will have to use the GDP and Gross National Product (GNP) to indirectly determine the flow of incomes each year going to various groups depending on historical work and investment specialisation. The GNP is crucial because we have to account for all the foreign profit incomes that leave after FDIs have been made. Anyone who goes to the data on the Bureau of Statistics website and accounts for the percentage of foreign-owned and state-owned business in the economy will see how absurd it is to make aggressive statements about this problem. This is even more important given the ExxonMobil investments. As I have written in these columns examining the resource curse, the government assumes greater power over economic allocation next year. The structure of the economy, and therefore ownership, will fundamentally shift next year. Hence, we are driving head-on into the resource curse once the constitution, election systems and civil service stay the same.

However, the GDP, GNP and Gross National Income do not tell us anything about the distribution of wealth or assets. They speak to the distribution of incomes. We will probably have to rely on a survey and institutional knowledge. Doing surveys in Guyana is always problematic because people are reluctant to disclose ownership and income. Assumptions have to be made when estimating both income and wealth inequality; therefore, all estimates will have a margin of error.

So, what are my tentative hypotheses?

Indians earn a higher share of profit income relative to Afro-Guyanese after accounting for foreign profit.

The share of wage incomes is relatively better distributed across ethnicity, except for Amerindians.

Proprietor/partnership profits might be slightly skewed in favour of Indians.

Combining all incomes, there is a higher degree of intra-Indian inequality relative to Intra-African inequality.

The latter is very important because inequality can be positively correlated with limited social mobility and poverty. However, social mobility and poverty will require different studies. Only recently economists have been making progress in understanding social mobility using micro-level data in the United States.

I am less certain about wealth distribution in Guyana. Let me give one example as it relates to the sensitive asset known as land. The rice sector that is dominated by Indians uses approximately 0.87% of the entire landmass of Guyana. Not all rice farmers own the land on which they farm. Only 2% of all lands in Guyana is freehold, meaning the owner truly owns it and can dispose as he or she sees fit. In other words, a lot of distrust among Indians and Africans is over less than 2% of the entire land mass. I will do an entire column on land distribution next week to show how data can shed some light on these issues.

 

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It seems that to be considered non-racist, I have to say categorically that Indians own 95% of the income and wealth in Guyana. There is no room for nuances.

Being familiar with the methodologies used by economists to calculate these things, I cannot make such a clear-cut call until we have better data.

 

That's been known for awhile, any one saying differently is disingenuous.

Django
Django posted:

It seems that to be considered non-racist, I have to say categorically that Indians own 95% of the income and wealth in Guyana. There is no room for nuances.

Being familiar with the methodologies used by economists to calculate these things, I cannot make such a clear-cut call until we have better data.

 

That's been known for awhile, any one saying differently is disingenuous.

Doh is what dem one love bais does say...hey hey hey...dat collie control 95% and 99% indos does drive SUV...hey hey hey...LOL

FM

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

FM
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Hey hey hey...Freddie invent de straw man. 

FM
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Hey hey hey...Freddie invent de straw man. 

That is because Freddie likes smelling shit. 

FM

Consider the massive wealth the PPP left in the treasury in 2015 which was squandered by the PNC on massive salary increases and the jubilee celebration. That was more like massive wealth decimation. Freddie shudda focused pun dat but he didn't because he like smelling dem Coalition people's shit. 

FM
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green...hey hey hey. Dem ROAR bais gat foh buss up ayoo nancy story. Hey hey hey...

FM

PNC was always barefaced people. You could see dem eating yuh lunch which dem thief from yuh lunch bag and dem would look you straight in de eye and seh, "dah nah yuh lunch". Dat is when yuh starting making use ah dem broklax rass. 

FM
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green . . .

this is the exact technique that DISHONEST, mediocre, soi-disant "intellectuals" use to shepherd discourse AWAY from the indefensible THING(s) they actually condone/support TO the obviously outrageous that is commonsense very easy to debunk

what we have here is a back-handed exculpatory exercise for the economic RAPE 'activities' of bharat, babby and the rampaging NEPS tiefmen and drugs trafficking 'investors' overseen by the Jagdeo/Ramotar regimes

we all know that barRAT didn't steal cash USD 5.0 billion . . . that is a technical impossibility given that Guyana's oil will not start flowing until 2020 [note to voters in upcoming elections]

however, what he did steal and/or divert to his cronies is criminally mind-boggling, transformative, and inarguably unprecedented in the history of the English-speaking Caribbean

but TK and ROAR want the public to spend time chasing down a silly story of cash $US 5 billion, trapping it, and beating it so viciously that everybady exhausted and forget what the REAL CRIMES are all about

thanks for the 'inadvertent' master class on straw man creation sir

carry on with the heavy lash

uh huh

FM
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ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green . . .

this is the exact technique that DISHONEST, mediocre, soi-disant "intellectuals" use to shepherd discourse AWAY from the indefensible THING(s) they actually condone/support TO the obviously outrageous that is commonsense very easy to debunk

what we have here is a back-handed exculpatory exercise for the economic RAPE 'activities' of bharat, babby and the rampaging NEPS tiefmen and drugs trafficking 'investors'

we all know that barRAT didn't steal cash USD 5.0 billion . . . that is a technical impossibility given that Guyana's oil will not start flowing until 2020 [note to voters in upcoming elections]

however, what he did steal and/or divert to his cronies is criminally mind-boggling, transformative, and unarguably unprecedented in the history of the English-speaking Caribbean

but TK and ROAR want the public to spend time chasing down a silly story of cash $US 5 billion, trapping it, and beating it so viciously that everybady exhausted and forget what the REAL CRIMES are all about

thanks for the 'inadvertent' master class on straw man creation sir

carry on with the heavy lash

uh huh

Doh is what dem high up PNC bais seh. Yuh know dem. Hey hey hey. Is because a dis mediore logic ayoo fail to put two real life PPP tief man in jail. Me see ayoo bais dem pay 10 mill guyana $$$ foh dem land at prodoville 2. Hey hey hey...

FM
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Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green...hey hey hey. Dem ROAR bais gat foh buss up ayoo nancy story. Hey hey hey...

BJ tief moo dan the GDP of the frigging country!  Tell me bout stupid people.  Talk about hyperbole!  But then again, them cannot figure if 33 greater than 32.

FM
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ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green . . .

e economic RAPE 'activities' of bharat, babby and the rampaging NEPS tiefmen and drugs trafficking 'investors' overseen by the Jagdeo/Ramotar regimes

uh huh

If Babby "rape" ayuh, why ayuh give him back the contract for drugs?  Wasn't this the vehicle of the "raping?"

Ayuh tangle up in ayuh own web of lies and dishonesty!

FM
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green . . .

this is the exact technique that DISHONEST, mediocre, soi-disant "intellectuals" use to shepherd discourse AWAY from the indefensible THING(s) they actually condone/support TO the obviously outrageous that is commonsense very easy to debunk

what we have here is a back-handed exculpatory exercise for the economic RAPE 'activities' of bharat, babby and the rampaging NEPS tiefmen and drugs trafficking 'investors'

we all know that barRAT didn't steal cash USD 5.0 billion . . . that is a technical impossibility given that Guyana's oil will not start flowing until 2020 [note to voters in upcoming elections]

however, what he did steal and/or divert to his cronies is criminally mind-boggling, transformative, and unarguably unprecedented in the history of the English-speaking Caribbean

but TK and ROAR want the public to spend time chasing down a silly story of cash $US 5 billion, trapping it, and beating it so viciously that everybady exhausted and forget what the REAL CRIMES are all about

thanks for the 'inadvertent' master class on straw man creation sir

carry on with the heavy lash

uh huh

Doh is what dem high up PNC bais seh. Yuh know dem. Hey hey hey.

actually take time to read what i wrote and then come back more intelligent later

spotlight harsh . . . but try

arite?

FM
Baseman posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green...hey hey hey. Dem ROAR bais gat foh buss up ayoo nancy story. Hey hey hey...

BJ tief moo dan the GDP of the frigging country!  Tell me bout stupid people.  Talk about hyperbole!

didn't i JUST deconstruct this exact same song of ROAR fine fine so that even wan 8th Grader could understand?

ow . . . damn!

FM
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ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green...hey hey hey. Dem ROAR bais gat foh buss up ayoo nancy story. Hey hey hey...

BJ tief moo dan the GDP of the frigging country!  Tell me bout stupid people.  Talk about hyperbole!

didn't i JUST deconstruct this exact same song of ROAR fine fine so that even wan 8th Grader could understand?

ow . . . damn!

Well, you should inform your friends, Ruel and all not to talk shyte!!

Ok ok then, take on my other question about "Babby!"

FM
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Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green...hey hey hey. Dem ROAR bais gat foh buss up ayoo nancy story. Hey hey hey...

BJ tief moo dan the GDP of the frigging country!  Tell me bout stupid people.  Talk about hyperbole!

didn't i JUST deconstruct this exact same song of ROAR fine fine so that even wan 8th Grader could understand?

ow . . . damn!

Ok ok then, take on my other question about "Babby!"

what about "Babby" huh?

i'll tell you what about babby

y'all PPP should be thankful that the coalition Gov't is, in the main, not vindictive, and possesses reserves of forbearance i don't have

Babby has a business to run, and he is free to bid on and win contracts

which are not as lucrative today because the corruption under PPP has to be SUBTRACTED! and there is no vigorish for you-know-who

however, having my druthers, i would have thrown the lot of them in prison

FM

So all along dem fools only been making up wan numba dat dem now seh is nat de important issue. Sounds just like all de excuses dem been making up since December 21, 2018. Shameless pack of fools.

FM
ksazma posted:

So all along dem fools only been making up wan numba dat dem now seh is nat de important issue.

meh post pan wan shelf to high fuh you to reach bai

ask TK to explain . . . he is wan tap daag economist

FM
ksazma posted:

Given the number of PPP people who have been jailed since May 2015, it is becoming very clear that they were also making up crimes. 

It's almost a comedy show watching Ronan jump through hoops to untangle himself from their own web of lies!

If GNI was a circus and Ronan the circus clown!

FM
Baseman posted:

It's almost a comedy show watching Ronan jump through hoops to untangle himself from their own web of lies!

point to the "lies" of mine, even 1 please

i have had occasion to mention before that you are afflicted with a serious retard syndrome that moves stuff directly from your ass out through your mouth before engaging your brain

that's not good . . . get help

FM
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ronan posted:
Baseman posted:

It's almost a comedy show watching Ronan jump through hoops to untangle himself from their own web of lies!

point to the "lies" of mine, even 1 please

i have had occasion to mention before that you are afflicted with a serious retard syndrome that moves stuff directly from your ass out through your mouth before engaging your brain

that's not good . . . get help

Note, I use the word "THEIR!"  YOU have been defending THEM having US ALL waiting for the evidence!  So YOU/THEM becomes THEIR! 

Now ayuh running under a rock...no WMD, just scatter-shot nonsense!

FM
Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
Baseman posted:

It's almost a comedy show watching Ronan jump through hoops to untangle himself from their own web of lies!

point to the "lies" of mine, even 1 please

i have had occasion to mention before that you are afflicted with a serious retard syndrome that moves stuff directly from your ass out through your mouth before engaging your brain

that's not good . . . get help

Note, I use the word "THEIR!"  YOU have been defending THEM having US ALL waiting for the evidence!  So YOU/THEM becomes THEIR! 

Now ayuh running under a rock...no WMD, just scatter-shot nonsense!

Along with the over-occupation with ass.

FM
Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
Baseman posted:

It's almost a comedy show watching Ronan jump through hoops to untangle himself from their own web of lies!

point to the "lies" of mine, even 1 please

i have had occasion to mention before that you are afflicted with a serious retard syndrome that moves stuff directly from your ass out through your mouth before engaging your brain

that's not good . . . get help

Note, I use the word "THEIR!"  YOU have been defending THEM having US ALL waiting for the evidence!  So YOU/THEM becomes THEIR! 

Now ayuh running under a rock...no WMD, just scatter-shot nonsense!

so, this is not about me then

you just engaging about diversion . . . but is arite

and what "evidence" are you babbling about?

btw, what is "WMD" . . . you going mad?

FM
ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
Baseman posted:

It's almost a comedy show watching Ronan jump through hoops to untangle himself from their own web of lies!

point to the "lies" of mine, even 1 please

i have had occasion to mention before that you are afflicted with a serious retard syndrome that moves stuff directly from your ass out through your mouth before engaging your brain

that's not good . . . get help

Note, I use the word "THEIR!"  YOU have been defending THEM having US ALL waiting for the evidence!  So YOU/THEM becomes THEIR! 

Now ayuh running under a rock...no WMD, just scatter-shot nonsense!

so, this is not about me then

you just engaging about diversion . . . but is arite

and what "evidence" are you babbling about?

btw, what is "WMD" . . . you going mad?

Are you stupid or a bloody retard!

You go figure out....via deductive reasoning...if you can!  If not, sorry, I'm not a shrink!

FM
Baseman posted:

Are you stupid or a bloody retard!

You go figure out....via deductive reasoning...if you can!  If not, sorry, I'm not a shrink!

you couldn't identify "deductive reasoning" even if it appeared in front of you and hand you wan bax?

banna tek a seat

FM
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green...hey hey hey. Dem ROAR bais gat foh buss up ayoo nancy story. Hey hey hey...

this is the exact technique that DISHONEST, mediocre, soi-disant "intellectuals" use to shepherd discourse AWAY from the indefensible THING(s) they actually condone/support TO the obviously outrageous that is commonsense very easy to debunk

what we have here is a back-handed exculpatory exercise for the economic RAPE 'activities' of bharat, babby and the rampaging NEPS tiefmen and drugs trafficking 'investors' overseen by the Jagdeo/Ramotar regimes

we all know that barRAT didn't steal cash USD 5.0 billion . . . that is a technical impossibility given that Guyana's oil will not start flowing until 2020 [note to voters in upcoming elections]

however, what he did steal and/or divert to his cronies is criminally mind-boggling, transformative, and inarguably unprecedented in the history of the English-speaking Caribbean

but TK and ROAR want the public to spend time chasing down a silly story of cash $US 5 billion, trapping it, and beating it so viciously that everybady exhausted and forget what the REAL CRIMES are all about

thanks for the 'inadvertent' master class on straw man creation sir

carry on with the heavy lash

uh huh

FM
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green...hey hey hey. Dem ROAR bais gat foh buss up ayoo nancy story. Hey hey hey...

this is the exact technique that DISHONEST, mediocre, soi-disant "intellectuals" use to shepherd discourse AWAY from the indefensible THING(s) they actually condone/support TO the obviously outrageous that is commonsense very easy to debunk

what we have here is a back-handed exculpatory exercise for the economic RAPE 'activities' of bharat, babby and the rampaging NEPS tiefmen and drugs trafficking 'investors' overseen by the Jagdeo/Ramotar regimes

we all know that barRAT didn't steal cash USD 5.0 billion . . . that is a technical impossibility given that Guyana's oil will not start flowing until 2020 [note to voters in upcoming elections]

however, what he did steal and/or divert to his cronies is criminally mind-boggling, transformative, and inarguably unprecedented in the history of the English-speaking Caribbean

but TK and ROAR want the public to spend time chasing down a silly story of cash $US 5 billion, trapping it, and beating it so viciously that everybady exhausted and forget what the REAL CRIMES are all about

thanks for the 'inadvertent' master class on straw man creation sir

carry on with the heavy lash

uh huh

Bai Jagdoe get he NEPS and PNC gat dem own ting going. De Granger system go be different. Anyway meh see yuh seh pon anada thread how de Granger dem party a God good peopkle foh still gee Bobby contract and na tek back Bobby business. Hey hey hey...See how ayoo like mek decision wid bad mind? Ayoo want tek back? Dem did squeeze bobby foh over 1 year but wen dem own peopkle start turn up with spoil drugs den dem realise oh me momma...Bobby did invest in he own kuntry and build up big business. Oh me momma Bobby help bring IPL. Oh me momma...IPL does bring lil tourist. Me na gat problem if ayoo give wan blackman foh be big like Bobby wan day. Now dem force foh live wid Bobby because dem mattie will tek time foh get scale like Bobby. Next ting ayoo bad mind PNC should know is BOBBY was wan a de moss successful privatisation...yes he gat wart and sore pon he---but much mo better dan demera timbers and dat Case timber banna. De man invest in he kuntry and he hire blackman and black woman foh run he business. Bobby much betta dan dem Russiaman in bauxite...Chinaman who tekkin all de foreign exchange. Much better. If ayoo mind na bin suh bad and if Jagdoe na dey so into he kickback tax dem would mek dem people like Bobby do more foh employ blackman and do ting in de open. Above board...Ayoo bad mind PNC rass...hey hey hey...dem would mek abie get foh buy lil share. Badal privatise of de animal feed was not bad too. Look how de man Badal a expand now after he put wan good likkin pon Jagdoe and Bobby foh get Peg. Jagdoe still envy Pegasus Ayoo bad mind PNC /Jagdoe rass...hey hey hey.

FM
Django posted:

It seems that to be considered non-racist, I have to say categorically that Indians own 95% of the income and wealth in Guyana. There is no room for nuances.

Being familiar with the methodologies used by economists to calculate these things, I cannot make such a clear-cut call until we have better data.

 

That's been known for awhile, any one saying differently is disingenuous.

95% of the wealth of Guyana may or may not be owned by Indians, but what is indeed a fact that most of this is owned by less than 5% of the Indian population.

This issue is that Indian domination of the private sector by that tiny % of the Indo population so fortunate allows greater access to the 95% of the Indos who aren't that lucky.  This because much employment in Guyana is ethnically based.

And this is where the ethnic panic comes from because people dont think that access to opportunity will be equitably determined.  So blacks seek to dominate the public sector much as they see Indos dominating the private sector.

So those who think that a PPP/PNC coalition will solve the ethnic angst fool themselves. What will resolve this is when each ethnic group ceases to display high ethnic distrust for the other major group.  And this will happen when people stop thinking that ethnicity determines access to opportunity.

FM
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green...hey hey hey. Dem ROAR bais gat foh buss up ayoo nancy story. Hey hey hey...

this is the exact technique that DISHONEST, mediocre, soi-disant "intellectuals" use to shepherd discourse AWAY from the indefensible THING(s) they actually condone/support TO the obviously outrageous that is commonsense very easy to debunk

what we have here is a back-handed exculpatory exercise for the economic RAPE 'activities' of bharat, babby and the rampaging NEPS tiefmen and drugs trafficking 'investors' overseen by the Jagdeo/Ramotar regimes

we all know that barRAT didn't steal cash USD 5.0 billion . . . that is a technical impossibility given that Guyana's oil will not start flowing until 2020 [note to voters in upcoming elections]

however, what he did steal and/or divert to his cronies is criminally mind-boggling, transformative, and inarguably unprecedented in the history of the English-speaking Caribbean

but TK and ROAR want the public to spend time chasing down a silly story of cash $US 5 billion, trapping it, and beating it so viciously that everybady exhausted and forget what the REAL CRIMES are all about

thanks for the 'inadvertent' master class on straw man creation sir

carry on with the heavy lash

uh huh

Bai Jagdoe get he NEPS and PNC gat dem own ting going. De Granger system go be different. Anyway meh see yuh seh pon anada thread how de Granger dem party a God good peopkle foh still gee Bobby contract and na tek back Bobby business. Hey hey hey...See how ayoo like mek decision wid bad mind? Ayoo want tek back? Dem did squeeze bobby foh over 1 year but wen dem own peopkle start turn up with spoil drugs den dem realise oh me momma...Bobby did invest in he own kuntry and build up big business. Oh me momma Bobby help bring IPL. Oh me momma...IPL does bring lil tourist. Me na gat problem if ayoo give wan blackman foh be big like Bobby wan day. Now dem force foh live wid Bobby because dem mattie will tek time foh get scale like Bobby. Next ting ayoo bad mind PNC should know is BOBBY was wan a de moss successful privatisation...yes he gat wart and sore pon he---but much mo better dan demera timbers and dat Case timber banna. De man invest in he kuntry and he hire blackman and black woman foh run he business. Bobby much betta dan dem Russiaman in bauxite...Chinaman who tekkin all de foreign exchange. Much better. If ayoo mind na bin suh bad and if Jagdoe na dey so into he kickback tax dem would mek dem people like Bobby do more foh employ blackman and do ting in de open. Above board...Ayoo bad mind PNC rass...hey hey hey...dem would mek abie get foh buy lil share. Badal privatise of de animal feed was not bad too. Look how de man Badal a expand now after he put wan good likkin pon Jagdoe and Bobby foh get Peg. Jagdoe still envy Pegasus Ayoo bad mind PNC /Jagdoe rass...hey hey hey.

Like me bai Ronan doan dey round now? 

FM
Labba posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green...hey hey hey. Dem ROAR bais gat foh buss up ayoo nancy story. Hey hey hey...

this is the exact technique that DISHONEST, mediocre, soi-disant "intellectuals" use to shepherd discourse AWAY from the indefensible THING(s) they actually condone/support TO the obviously outrageous that is commonsense very easy to debunk

what we have here is a back-handed exculpatory exercise for the economic RAPE 'activities' of bharat, babby and the rampaging NEPS tiefmen and drugs trafficking 'investors' overseen by the Jagdeo/Ramotar regimes

we all know that barRAT didn't steal cash USD 5.0 billion . . . that is a technical impossibility given that Guyana's oil will not start flowing until 2020 [note to voters in upcoming elections]

however, what he did steal and/or divert to his cronies is criminally mind-boggling, transformative, and inarguably unprecedented in the history of the English-speaking Caribbean

but TK and ROAR want the public to spend time chasing down a silly story of cash $US 5 billion, trapping it, and beating it so viciously that everybady exhausted and forget what the REAL CRIMES are all about

thanks for the 'inadvertent' master class on straw man creation sir

carry on with the heavy lash

uh huh

Bai Jagdoe get he NEPS and PNC gat dem own ting going. De Granger system go be different. Anyway meh see yuh seh pon anada thread how de Granger dem party a God good peopkle foh still gee Bobby contract and na tek back Bobby business. Hey hey hey...See how ayoo like mek decision wid bad mind? Ayoo want tek back? Dem did squeeze bobby foh over 1 year but wen dem own peopkle start turn up with spoil drugs den dem realise oh me momma...Bobby did invest in he own kuntry and build up big business. Oh me momma Bobby help bring IPL. Oh me momma...IPL does bring lil tourist. Me na gat problem if ayoo give wan blackman foh be big like Bobby wan day. Now dem force foh live wid Bobby because dem mattie will tek time foh get scale like Bobby. Next ting ayoo bad mind PNC should know is BOBBY was wan a de moss successful privatisation...yes he gat wart and sore pon he---but much mo better dan demera timbers and dat Case timber banna. De man invest in he kuntry and he hire blackman and black woman foh run he business. Bobby much betta dan dem Russiaman in bauxite...Chinaman who tekkin all de foreign exchange. Much better. If ayoo mind na bin suh bad and if Jagdoe na dey so into he kickback tax dem would mek dem people like Bobby do more foh employ blackman and do ting in de open. Above board...Ayoo bad mind PNC rass...hey hey hey...dem would mek abie get foh buy lil share. Badal privatise of de animal feed was not bad too. Look how de man Badal a expand now after he put wan good likkin pon Jagdoe and Bobby foh get Peg. Jagdoe still envy Pegasus Ayoo bad mind PNC /Jagdoe rass...hey hey hey.

Like me bai Ronan doan dey round now? 

you actually think that post is a good look for you?

i'll start a new thread featuring it (later today) . . . it's not going to be nice

but you had to ask . . . suh, que sera sera

FM
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:

TK doubling down with the "95%" straw man

dem ROAR bannas running likearass from "real" discussion of wealth distribution like vampire from garlic

carry on with dah dishonest beat down deh

we ah watch alyuh

Dem ROAR bais know ayoo believe de 95% daag donk juss like ayoo seh Bharrat tief more than 5 billion USD. Ayoo seh suh foh justify giving ayoo mattie nuff nuff ting like ayoo do under Burnham and Hammie Green...hey hey hey. Dem ROAR bais gat foh buss up ayoo nancy story. Hey hey hey...

this is the exact technique that DISHONEST, mediocre, soi-disant "intellectuals" use to shepherd discourse AWAY from the indefensible THING(s) they actually condone/support TO the obviously outrageous that is commonsense very easy to debunk

what we have here is a back-handed exculpatory exercise for the economic RAPE 'activities' of bharat, babby and the rampaging NEPS tiefmen and drugs trafficking 'investors' overseen by the Jagdeo/Ramotar regimes

we all know that barRAT didn't steal cash USD 5.0 billion . . . that is a technical impossibility given that Guyana's oil will not start flowing until 2020 [note to voters in upcoming elections]

however, what he did steal and/or divert to his cronies is criminally mind-boggling, transformative, and inarguably unprecedented in the history of the English-speaking Caribbean

but TK and ROAR want the public to spend time chasing down a silly story of cash $US 5 billion, trapping it, and beating it so viciously that everybady exhausted and forget what the REAL CRIMES are all about

thanks for the 'inadvertent' master class on straw man creation sir

carry on with the heavy lash

uh huh

Bai Jagdoe get he NEPS and PNC gat dem own ting going. De Granger system go be different. Anyway meh see yuh seh pon anada thread how de Granger dem party a God good peopkle foh still gee Bobby contract and na tek back Bobby business. Hey hey hey...See how ayoo like mek decision wid bad mind? Ayoo want tek back? Dem did squeeze bobby foh over 1 year but wen dem own peopkle start turn up with spoil drugs den dem realise oh me momma...Bobby did invest in he own kuntry and build up big business. Oh me momma Bobby help bring IPL. Oh me momma...IPL does bring lil tourist. Me na gat problem if ayoo give wan blackman foh be big like Bobby wan day. Now dem force foh live wid Bobby because dem mattie will tek time foh get scale like Bobby. Next ting ayoo bad mind PNC should know is BOBBY was wan a de moss successful privatisation...yes he gat wart and sore pon he---but much mo better dan demera timbers and dat Case timber banna. De man invest in he kuntry and he hire blackman and black woman foh run he business. Bobby much betta dan dem Russiaman in bauxite...Chinaman who tekkin all de foreign exchange. Much better. If ayoo mind na bin suh bad and if Jagdoe na dey so into he kickback tax dem would mek dem people like Bobby do more foh employ blackman and do ting in de open. Above board...Ayoo bad mind PNC rass...hey hey hey...dem would mek abie get foh buy lil share. Badal privatise of de animal feed was not bad too. Look how de man Badal a expand now after he put wan good likkin pon Jagdoe and Bobby foh get Peg. Jagdoe still envy Pegasus Ayoo bad mind PNC /Jagdoe rass...hey hey hey.

Like me bai Ronan doan dey round now? 

you actually think that post is a good look for you?

i'll start a new thread featuring it (later today) . . . it's not going to be nice

but you had to ask . . . suh, que sera sera

Hey hey hey...

FM

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