How much it will cost and who will pay for it.

Prashad posted:

How much it will cost and who will pay for it.

deh wukkin pun that,

think about when the hile money start rolling.

Django, is this a new initiative by the coalition government?

also, do not put too much emphasis on the oil money. It is a limited resource and who knows what happens when it starts to flow. Trottman refuses to reveal the contract. I guess that they have a different definition of transparency. He seems to forget that the oil belongs to the guyanese people to whom he is responsible and they have a right to know the details of the contract that affects their resources.

Zed posted:

Django, is this a new initiative by the coalition government?

also, do not put too much emphasis on the oil money. It is a limited resource and who knows what happens when it starts to flow. Trottman refuses to reveal the contract. I guess that they have a different definition of transparency. He seems to forget that the oil belongs to the guyanese people to whom he is responsible and they have a right to know the details of the contract that affects their resources.

Reading from the media and what they said in budget presentations,i think so.That will be nice if materialize.

Trotty said parts of the Contract will be made public,with regarding to the percentage of the extraction GOG will receive and other matters ,some parts will not be released due to Security concerning the border issue.

Now what wrong with that ??

too much spin the homeland without understanding what is said,

one of the reason i does get pissed at some of the political commentators,

they are like posters on Google and Youtube,say and put some nonsense to get one minute fame,some folks believes it.

Django posted:

Prashad posted:

How much it will cost and who will pay for it.

deh wukkin pun that,

think about when the hile money start rolling.

De munny start rollin in. Parking meter money, VAT on education, VAT on dogs, please add to the list as you see fit.

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

Prashad posted:

How much it will cost and who will pay for it.

deh wukkin pun that,

think about when the hile money start rolling.

De munny start rollin in. Parking meter money, VAT on education, VAT on dogs, please add to the list as you see fit.

Oww budday read the post "Kling and Greene the Dunces"

tha meter looks like it will take a hike.

Another PPP initiative being touted by the pnc. But let us not hold our collective breaths waiting for this bridge to materialize. We are still waiting for all the development that the PNC promised. In fact the economy has gone backwards. Business people are saying thay it is back to the dark days of the PNC. Meanwhile our resident slop can carriers shout to the heavens about how good Guyana is from their safety overseas. 

Drugb posted:

Another PPP initiative being touted by the pnc. But let us not hold our collective breaths waiting for this bridge to materialize. We are still waiting for all the development that the PNC promised. In fact the economy has gone backwards. Business people are saying thay it is back to the dark days of the PNC. Meanwhile our resident slop can carriers shout to the heavens about how good Guyana is from their safety overseas. 

Show where they had such an Idea,pick up the Posey as a guidance,hunt for the information.

will be waiting...

Drugb posted:

Another PPP initiative being touted by the pnc. But let us not hold our collective breaths waiting for this bridge to materialize. We are still waiting for all the development that the PNC promised. In fact the economy has gone backwards. Business people are saying thay it is back to the dark days of the PNC. Meanwhile our resident slop can carriers shout to the heavens about how good Guyana is from their safety overseas. 

Doesn't matter whose initiative it was. Question is, why do we need a damn bridge right now. Improve the emergency services. Ambulances, Fire Trucks, Police Vehicles etc. Improve Sanitation. Use the ferry to supplement the current bridge temporarily.

It must be a burden to bear to fetch that slopcan and bear the stench.

In keeping with the Ministry of Public Infrastructure’s mandate, any proposed bridge design will include a navigational clearance of 100 meters wide with navigational aids, an air draft of 50 meters of vertical clearance, adequate marine collision protection at navigating channels, and an estimated length of 2,250 meters.
A pre-feasibility study was once done by the then Ministry of Public Works, in collaboration with Raymond Charles in 2013. That study examined the cost and the benefit of the three sites.
It also analyzed the other alternative of keeping the old bridge and investing in maintenance, rehabilitation and replacement of the existing two lane floating bridge-which is 37 years old- versus a new four lane floating bridge. It also examined a new four lane fixed structure bridge.
The final report of the pre-feasibility study was released in October 2013 by then Minister of Public Works and Hydraulics, Robeson Benn.  According to the report, a new high-level, four-lane fixed- bridge structure at Houston, Greater Georgetown, to Versailles on the West Bank of Demerara, was determined to be the only economically feasible alternative. The document also estimated the cost at some US$264M.
However, the new administration has since blasted the way the pre-feasibility study was conducted by the previous administration. Minister of Public Infrastructure David Patterson has described the study as “ad hoc”, and lacking basic components such as soil tests and tidal flows

Everyone comes up with those grandiose schemes because they want to be seen as the ones who did something. The Hydro electric plant on the Potaro, Amaila. Start small. A few years ago it was estimated that it would cost $1 million US for a Wind Turbine. Buy one. Save that much on fuel costs. Buy another one. Build smaller Hydro Electric Plants. There is one at Tumatumari that worked up to late 80's. Create Solar Farms. Place them all in an energy grid so that if any one goes out there is no break in energy.

Who done the study for for the PPP ??

This Gov't provided a Company.

Posey carrier,provide the name or were they blowing hot air.

By the way where is the source for your post.

Django posted:

Prashad posted:

How much it will cost and who will pay for it.

deh wukkin pun that,

think about when the hile money start rolling.

That's not going to happen.  All the people would do is complain about the high cost like the berbice bridge.  

GTAngler posted:

Drugb posted:

Another PPP initiative being touted by the pnc. But let us not hold our collective breaths waiting for this bridge to materialize. We are still waiting for all the development that the PNC promised. In fact the economy has gone backwards. Business people are saying thay it is back to the dark days of the PNC. Meanwhile our resident slop can carriers shout to the heavens about how good Guyana is from their safety overseas. 

Doesn't matter whose initiative it was. Question is, why do we need a damn bridge right now. Improve the emergency services. Ambulances, Fire Trucks, Police Vehicles etc. Improve Sanitation. Use the ferry to supplement the current bridge temporarily.

The new bridge will be funded by the British in the form of a grant that they are giving to many Caribbean countries to upgrade their infrastructure. We'd be foolish not to take the money from them.

Mars posted:

GTAngler posted:

Drugb posted:

Another PPP initiative being touted by the pnc. But let us not hold our collective breaths waiting for this bridge to materialize. We are still waiting for all the development that the PNC promised. In fact the economy has gone backwards. Business people are saying thay it is back to the dark days of the PNC. Meanwhile our resident slop can carriers shout to the heavens about how good Guyana is from their safety overseas. 

Doesn't matter whose initiative it was. Question is, why do we need a damn bridge right now. Improve the emergency services. Ambulances, Fire Trucks, Police Vehicles etc. Improve Sanitation. Use the ferry to supplement the current bridge temporarily.

The new bridge will be funded by the British in the form of a grant that they are giving to many Caribbean countries to upgrade their infrastructure. We'd be foolish not to take the money from them.

Keep dreaming, those were promises made under the previous british prime minister and before brexit. 

When hile starts to flow Django's family back home gonna stop buying quarter pint a kero. 

Drugb posted:

Mars posted:

GTAngler posted:

Drugb posted:

Another PPP initiative being touted by the pnc. But let us not hold our collective breaths waiting for this bridge to materialize. We are still waiting for all the development that the PNC promised. In fact the economy has gone backwards. Business people are saying thay it is back to the dark days of the PNC. Meanwhile our resident slop can carriers shout to the heavens about how good Guyana is from their safety overseas. 

Doesn't matter whose initiative it was. Question is, why do we need a damn bridge right now. Improve the emergency services. Ambulances, Fire Trucks, Police Vehicles etc. Improve Sanitation. Use the ferry to supplement the current bridge temporarily.

The new bridge will be funded by the British in the form of a grant that they are giving to many Caribbean countries to upgrade their infrastructure. We'd be foolish not to take the money from them.

Keep dreaming, those were promises made under the previous british prime minister and before brexit. 

Antigua received funding for projects in December 2016 long after Brexit and the new British Prime Minister came into power. If you have specific info which shows that the UKCIF initiative has been cancelled, you can always share it with us.

http://caribbeannewsservice.com/now/tag/ukcif/

UKCIF

Facelift For Antigua And Barbuda’s Road Network

• Caribbean News

by Desmond Brown - Dec 12, 2016

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ST JOHN’S, Antigua, Dec 12 2016 – Antigua and Barbuda is the first country to access major funding from the United Kingdom Caribbean Infrastructure Partnership Fund (UKCIF). The Caribbean Development Bank (CDB) has approved a grant of 13.9 million  pounds to assist the country with the rehabilitation of two major roads, the Sir George Walter Highway and Friars Hill Road.

Approximately 75 percent of people living in Antigua use the Sir George Walter Highway and Friars Hill Road on a daily basis. The roads connect the capital of St. John’s, prime tourism areas, heavily populated areas and the V.C. Bird International Airport. The project will upgrade the roads to improve safety and capacity, and renovate their drainage infrastructure.

“We’ve chosen two very important roads which will lead into the airport and improve transportation within the country. The benefits to be derived therefrom are endless…We are using this project as a stepping stone to develop the entire country’s network as far as roads are concerned and, with this grant, with this assistance from the CDB, we shall be on our way to a complete road programme in the country of Antigua and Barbuda,” said Steadroy Benjamin, Acting Prime Minister and Attorney General of Antigua and Barbuda.

In July 2016, CDB funded a technical assistance study, “Road Infrastructure Rehabilitation – Antigua and Barbuda”, which informed the development of preliminary engineering designs, cost estimates, and specifications for this project, along with six other key sections of the road network. The recommended improvements were based on current and projected road usage.

The Project is expected to be completed over a period of 24 months, beginning in the first quarter of 2017.

It's a shame that these resort Islands cannot afford to build roads on their own.  They always have to borrow from the rich countries. 

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

When hile starts to flow Django's family back home gonna stop buying quarter pint a kero. 

They living high life,all working.

This bridge will not see fruition until the PPP is back in power. Take my word for it. PNC is a blight. 

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

It's a shame that these resort Islands cannot afford to build roads on their own.  They always have to borrow from the rich countries. 

Y'all write some real piss on this forum sometimes. First of all, the roads mentioned in the article are being built with funding from a grant, not a loan. There's a big difference. What is so shameful about borrowing money to build a road? It is done all over the world including right here in the great USA. Many infrastructure projects are financed through loans, bonds and other means of borrowing. 

Prince posted:

This bridge will not see fruition until the PPP is back in power. Take my word for it. PNC is a blight. 

Hold on to your hopes,nothing wrong.

Mars posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

It's a shame that these resort Islands cannot afford to build roads on their own.  They always have to borrow from the rich countries. 

Y'all write some real piss on this forum sometimes. First of all, the roads mentioned in the article are being built with funding from a grant, not a loan. There's a big difference. What is so shameful about borrowing money to build a road? It is done all over the world including right here in the great USA. Many infrastructure projects are financed through loans, bonds and other means of borrowing. 

Why do they need a grant?  Would it not be better to give that grant to Haiti where people are living in filth and munching on mud pies? Antigua's roads have been in disrepair for a very long time. The politicians there always squabble about getting the funding to repair roads.  Finally, the English decided that if they don't give them a lil raise to fix the roads the roads ain't gonna fix.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Mars posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

It's a shame that these resort Islands cannot afford to build roads on their own.  They always have to borrow from the rich countries. 

Y'all write some real piss on this forum sometimes. First of all, the roads mentioned in the article are being built with funding from a grant, not a loan. There's a big difference. What is so shameful about borrowing money to build a road? It is done all over the world including right here in the great USA. Many infrastructure projects are financed through loans, bonds and other means of borrowing. 

Why do they need a grant?  Would it not be better to give that grant to Haiti where people are living in filth and munching on mud pies? Antigua's roads have been in disrepair for a very long time. The politicians there always squabble about getting the funding to repair roads.  Finally, the English decided that if they don't give them a lil raise to fix the roads the roads ain't gonna fix.

They didn't ask for a grant. The British Government is giving away money so why shouldn't they make use of it?

Mars posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Mars posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

It's a shame that these resort Islands cannot afford to build roads on their own.  They always have to borrow from the rich countries. 

Y'all write some real piss on this forum sometimes. First of all, the roads mentioned in the article are being built with funding from a grant, not a loan. There's a big difference. What is so shameful about borrowing money to build a road? It is done all over the world including right here in the great USA. Many infrastructure projects are financed through loans, bonds and other means of borrowing. 

Why do they need a grant?  Would it not be better to give that grant to Haiti where people are living in filth and munching on mud pies? Antigua's roads have been in disrepair for a very long time. The politicians there always squabble about getting the funding to repair roads.  Finally, the English decided that if they don't give them a lil raise to fix the roads the roads ain't gonna fix.

They didn't ask for a grant. The British Government is giving away money so why shouldn't they make use of it?

Don't believe that.  The Antiguans are always looking for handouts from the English or American. Don't forget how they shamelessly relaxed their banking laws and bestowed the title of SIR on to Allan Stanford, the ponzi -scheme billionaire. 

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Mars posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Mars posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

It's a shame that these resort Islands cannot afford to build roads on their own.  They always have to borrow from the rich countries. 

Y'all write some real piss on this forum sometimes. First of all, the roads mentioned in the article are being built with funding from a grant, not a loan. There's a big difference. What is so shameful about borrowing money to build a road? It is done all over the world including right here in the great USA. Many infrastructure projects are financed through loans, bonds and other means of borrowing. 

Why do they need a grant?  Would it not be better to give that grant to Haiti where people are living in filth and munching on mud pies? Antigua's roads have been in disrepair for a very long time. The politicians there always squabble about getting the funding to repair roads.  Finally, the English decided that if they don't give them a lil raise to fix the roads the roads ain't gonna fix.

They didn't ask for a grant. The British Government is giving away money so why shouldn't they make use of it?

Don't believe that.  The Antiguans are always looking for handouts from the English or American. Don't forget how they shamelessly relaxed their banking laws and bestowed the title of SIR on to Allan Stanford, the ponzi -scheme billionaire. 

They are not the only ones who will benefit from these grants. A total of eight Caribbean countries are earmarked for aid. The British made many times more than they are giving back. 

Time to pack up to go home. I gon see you all later this evening or tomorrow.  Keep posting your comments.  We must agree on something that great for Guyana. I hoping for that day to come when we can unite on issue without suffering a political backlash. For too long Guyana has been divided.  We need to learn to live like Democrats and Republicans. Put the interests of our people first and don't let partisan politics govern our thinking and decisions. 

See you all later

In all seriousness, if half of all the constructive deliberations here can be implemented in Guyana, we'd all be rushing back.

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Django, is this a new initiative by the coalition government?

also, do not put too much emphasis on the oil money. It is a limited resource and who knows what happens when it starts to flow. Trottman refuses to reveal the contract. I guess that they have a different definition of transparency. He seems to forget that the oil belongs to the guyanese people to whom he is responsible and they have a right to know the details of the contract that affects their resources.

Reading from the media and what they said in budget presentations,i think so.That will be nice if materialize.

Trotty said parts of the Contract will be made public,with regarding to the percentage of the extraction GOG will receive and other matters ,some parts will not be released due to Security concerning the border issue.

Now what wrong with that ??

too much spin the homeland without understanding what is said,

one of the reason i does get pissed at some of the political commentators,

they are like posters on Google and Youtube,say and put some nonsense to get one minute fame,some folks believes it.

This is not a.new initiative. Has been under investigation during the previous government's tenure. In fact, a pre-feasibility study was done and possible sites identified.

There is nothing secret about the issues in the border dispute between Venezuela and Guyana. I do not think this is a valid reason for keeping part of the contract secret. What, Trottman forget that he works for the people and they have a right to know.

This is not about spin, it is about a new way of doing things. What we were promised, it is about transparency and a recognition that an informed populace can make better decisions about their future. It is about bottom up government and decision making than top down hierarchical decision making. The bit about Venezuela dispute is a red herring. This is one of the guys who told us that the GT&T US$5million was paid and that there was evidence to show this.  Why should we believe him now?

i care less about what gets you pissed. You give as well as receive. The same thing about moment in the limelight might be said to apply to you also, or me. 

You wanna have a Moment in the Limelight..try farting in a crowded elevator while wearing ear phones thinking that no one heard because you had the volume turned up. Dam!

Zed posted:

Django, is this a new initiative by the coalition government?

also, do not put too much emphasis on the oil money. It is a limited resource and who knows what happens when it starts to flow. Trottman refuses to reveal the contract. I guess that they have a different definition of transparency. He seems to forget that the oil belongs to the guyanese people to whom he is responsible and they have a right to know the details of the contract that affects their resources.

This was being talked of under the PPP.  They had various options, this was likely the best cost option.

This is needed to reduce the bridge closures for boat traffic. Larger vessels will be able to traverse without interruption of either.

This is how nations are built, infrastructure are upgraded/replaced as the economy grows.  The original bridge was afforded with a much smaller economy, so why cant a better one be afforded in this(PPP) economy?

This is not about politics, it's about the people of Guyana!  Regardless of Govt, this was going to happen.