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May 04, 2017 Source

History will not be kind to Hamilton Green.

 

When I heard Rupert Roopnaraine was about to launch his book, “The Sky’s Wild Noise,” I thought that Guyana would have one of the finest outlays of post-Independence politics. Dr. Roopnaraine was someone whose politics I would never put in the category of four post-Independence giants like Walter Rodney, Clive Thomas and Moses Bhagwan and Eusi Kwayana. But Roopnaraine was possessed of a sharp intellectual touch that would make his analysis of the Burnham regime equal to any.
As it turned out, his book was not about the period of Burnham rule and that era of the glorious confrontation between the Working People’s Alliance and the Burnham regime. To date, the definitive work on the authoritarian nature of the Burnham administration remains the book of Father Andrew Morrison; “Justice: The Struggle for Democracy in Guyana, 1952 – 1992.” It is my opinion that this work will remain an enormous stumbling block to any positive portrait of Forbes Burnham. It is a book that Hamilton Green may wish was never ever published
But this columnist is old enough to offer firsthand accounts of that ugly period in Guyana’s contemporary history to supplement Father Morrison’s elegant descriptions and assessments. Hamilton Green as the most trusted lieutenant of President Burnham was a powerful man whose penchant for undemocratic behaviour exceeded any in the PNC administration from 1964 until the death of Forbes Burnham in 1985. It was quite logical for Desmond Hoyte to have wanted to remove Green from the PNC when he, Hoyte, became president. Mr. Green was expelled.
Hamilton Green’s name is associated with the most negative and undemocratic aspects of the Burnham era. Mr. Burnham was by far more tolerant of anti-governmental activism than Green. Mr. Green was quoted in the Tuesday edition of this paper as describing how his wife suffered after the PPP came to power in 1992. He said she was dismissed from her medical post. This is true. Mr. Green is right. What Green did when he was a PNC Minister for 28 years should not have been used to victimize his wife. But the rights of other men’s wives were violated by Minister Green back in the seventies.
One such victim was the wife of WPA executive Moses Bhagwan. Mr. Green fired Mrs. Bhagwan on the spot, when as subject Minister he went into the offices of the Government-owned Guyana Pharmaceutical Corporation. I was in the picket line of the WPA that had denounced this act of Green. I will send an email to Moses asking him to describe for the current generation that particularly sad incident. In my heart, I honestly believe Mr. Green should offer an apology for violations he committed during that tragic era in the evolution of the Guyanese nation-state.
I was in the national archives doing research and seated next to me was Dr. James Rose, who later became Vice Chancellor, when we both saw Mr. Green descending from his car and wading into a group of strikers who were picketing outside of the state-owned Guyana Stores. I saw Mr. Green’s behaviour with my own two eyes. I was a student at UG in 1974 when the Government rescinded the appointment of Walter Rodney. Contrary to what Guyanese believe, it was Mr. Green who was more active and vocal in the denunciation of Rodney’s appointment.
The period of Green’s “bad boy” days is long gone, and Guyanese should not lament its sadness but look toward the future. There are too many in the Guyana diaspora whose minds are so overtaken by this epoch that all they can think of when they discuss Guyanese politics is what Burnham and Green did in the seventies. The seventies disappeared almost fifty years ago. But since Mr. Green in 2017 brought up what happened to his wife in 1992, the historian needs to remind Green that he is not without blame.
Mr. Green should not be hunted down in his old age about what he did when he was a powerful Minister, but history at the same time cannot be erased. History never dies. It lives on. Once history lives on, the misdeeds of men and women will not, and cannot be erased. Apartheid is dead and gone, but it has not been removed from history. We will always remember it.
It is against this background, I would urge Hamilton Green that as he moves closer to his nineties, he should make peace with history and Guyana. He should not use the atrocities committed by the Jagdeo cabals as an excuse not to apologize. He owes a debt to history. Mrs. Bhagwan is still alive and she deserves to hear that apology.

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Django posted:

May 04, 2017 Source

History will not be kind to Hamilton Green.

 

When I heard Rupert Roopnaraine was about to launch his book, “The Sky’s Wild Noise,” I thought that Guyana would have one of the finest outlays of post-Independence politics. Dr. Roopnaraine was someone whose politics I would never put in the category of four post-Independence giants like Walter Rodney, Clive Thomas and Moses Bhagwan and Eusi Kwayana. But Roopnaraine was possessed of a sharp intellectual touch that would make his analysis of the Burnham regime equal to any.
As it turned out, his book was not about the period of Burnham rule and that era of the glorious confrontation between the Working People’s Alliance and the Burnham regime. To date, the definitive work on the authoritarian nature of the Burnham administration remains the book of Father Andrew Morrison; “Justice: The Struggle for Democracy in Guyana, 1952 – 1992.” It is my opinion that this work will remain an enormous stumbling block to any positive portrait of Forbes Burnham. It is a book that Hamilton Green may wish was never ever published
But this columnist is old enough to offer firsthand accounts of that ugly period in Guyana’s contemporary history to supplement Father Morrison’s elegant descriptions and assessments. Hamilton Green as the most trusted lieutenant of President Burnham was a powerful man whose penchant for undemocratic behaviour exceeded any in the PNC administration from 1964 until the death of Forbes Burnham in 1985. It was quite logical for Desmond Hoyte to have wanted to remove Green from the PNC when he, Hoyte, became president. Mr. Green was expelled.
Hamilton Green’s name is associated with the most negative and undemocratic aspects of the Burnham era. Mr. Burnham was by far more tolerant of anti-governmental activism than Green. Mr. Green was quoted in the Tuesday edition of this paper as describing how his wife suffered after the PPP came to power in 1992. He said she was dismissed from her medical post. This is true. Mr. Green is right. What Green did when he was a PNC Minister for 28 years should not have been used to victimize his wife. But the rights of other men’s wives were violated by Minister Green back in the seventies.
One such victim was the wife of WPA executive Moses Bhagwan. Mr. Green fired Mrs. Bhagwan on the spot, when as subject Minister he went into the offices of the Government-owned Guyana Pharmaceutical Corporation. I was in the picket line of the WPA that had denounced this act of Green. I will send an email to Moses asking him to describe for the current generation that particularly sad incident. In my heart, I honestly believe Mr. Green should offer an apology for violations he committed during that tragic era in the evolution of the Guyanese nation-state.
I was in the national archives doing research and seated next to me was Dr. James Rose, who later became Vice Chancellor, when we both saw Mr. Green descending from his car and wading into a group of strikers who were picketing outside of the state-owned Guyana Stores. I saw Mr. Green’s behaviour with my own two eyes. I was a student at UG in 1974 when the Government rescinded the appointment of Walter Rodney. Contrary to what Guyanese believe, it was Mr. Green who was more active and vocal in the denunciation of Rodney’s appointment.
The period of Green’s “bad boy” days is long gone, and Guyanese should not lament its sadness but look toward the future. There are too many in the Guyana diaspora whose minds are so overtaken by this epoch that all they can think of when they discuss Guyanese politics is what Burnham and Green did in the seventies. The seventies disappeared almost fifty years ago. But since Mr. Green in 2017 brought up what happened to his wife in 1992, the historian needs to remind Green that he is not without blame.
Mr. Green should not be hunted down in his old age about what he did when he was a powerful Minister, but history at the same time cannot be erased. History never dies. It lives on. Once history lives on, the misdeeds of men and women will not, and cannot be erased. Apartheid is dead and gone, but it has not been removed from history. We will always remember it.
It is against this background, I would urge Hamilton Green that as he moves closer to his nineties, he should make peace with history and Guyana. He should not use the atrocities committed by the Jagdeo cabals as an excuse not to apologize. He owes a debt to history. Mrs. Bhagwan is still alive and she deserves to hear that apology.

What about Shirley Field Ridley and Vincent Teekah?

GTAngler
cain posted:

How this guy is still in office during the PPP era and now. What the heck is he holding over the two parties?

He keeps a few secrets about Jagan & Burnham. He knows firsthand about their frequent secret rendezvous and who said what and who begged for what and so on. Joey Jagan had written a letter about one of those secret house chats involving Green.

FM
cain posted:

I thought something seemed odd about that chap.

Bai, didn't you know Jagan & Burnham were an odd couple? Both had soft feelings for each other, according to Green. Newspapers and radio don't tell you everything. Green had a peek behind closed doors. Ask him.

FM
cain posted:

How this guy is still in office during the PPP era and now. What the heck is he holding over the two parties?

bai them ppp low life take him in freedum house and put flower  on him instead of a bullet to the head 

FM

Reminder: Jagdeo and the PPP kept him in office when we would have thought they should have known and done better. It seems anything sleazy dem guys hung onto, look at the House of Israel thugs,who has them in their camp?

cain
Prashad posted:

Greene is responsible for the deaths of many East Indians of British Guiana. For an East Indian to say let us forget and move on he or she is a bottomless traitor. 

Again, same could be said of The House of Israel thugs who were revered by BJ and his band of merry men even though they (HOI) did their dirty work for the PNC against the PPP and their mostly Indian followers...isnt BJ and his lot bottomless traitors also?

cain
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The unpleasant truths in the life of Hamilton Green.

May 05, 2017 Source

Dear Editor,
Reading the recent article in the newspapers about ‘Hamilton Green on his pension’, I first discounted it as the utterances of a mentally confused octogenarian. But then when I read the feature ‘History will not be kind to Hamilton Green’ by Freddie Kissoon, I felt the need to add my ‘two bits’.
I must commend Mr. Kissoon for being spot on in his article. He has spoken for so many Guyanese who are voiceless but who are very aggrieved over this vulgar raid on the Treasury. Mr. Kissoon was being frank, sincere and truthful. He was not politicking nor was he fallaciously attacking his friend Mr. Green. He was setting the records straight. However I think he stopped short as he was dealing with a Hamilton Green of the distant past and did not include the more recent actions of the man.
Mr. Green speaks glibly about a period of drought for himself and his family of almost 25 years, referring to the period from 1992 when he was ousted from the position of Prime Minister due to his party’s loss at the elections. What drought is he talking about? He seems to think that people are unaware of the facts.
Since becoming Mayor in 1994, Mr. Green has lived a Cadillac lifestyle, one which no other Mayor in the world gets, but one that is more akin to the standard of serving heads of state and government, even though the Council always claimed to be cash strapped.
Does Mr. Green consider as austere, all the bodyguards and security at his residence? His Gardeners, Cooks, Chaffeurs, Handymen and large Administrative Staff. Does he consider as a drought, jetting first class to the farthest away corners of the world frequently for 21 years a drought? Does he consider being provided with all expenses paid vehicles just being buoyant? Surely he could not be serious. And all of this munificence was not provided by his wife, children and many kind friends as he is seeking to imply but by the poor ratepayers of Georgetown.
And then he comes to the point of persons being crudely removed from office. And Mr. Kissoon spoke about persons that he was responsible for or had a hand in their removal whilst he was in government. But we need not go so far back, let us look at his recent sojorn at the Central Housing & Planning Authority which resulted in the departure of the CEO and so many other officials from that entity.
And let us look at his days at the Council where he got rid of two female Town Clerks, an Engineer and so many others. Will the President due to his wisdom and sense of justice give them and their spouses the ‘fair deal’ that he has given to Green and his family? If indeed his wife was made to suffer because of politics then she should be given some recompense, but so too should those who suffered under Green’s hand.
Mr. Green talks about him finally being given a livable pension, but what about the thousands of other pensioners, don’t they deserve a livable pension also, or they needed to be loyal party hacks to even get a fraction of the nearly 2 million a month that he is getting. Will they ever get a pension at 7/8 of the current salaries of their successors in which ever position they held?
And then he goes on to sing his favourite tune and that is to blame the PPP for all of his misfortunes. Should he not blame his party instead for removing him from parliament in 1992 and thus disqualifying him from a parliamentary pension?
All in all, now Mr. Green is in the departure lounge I hope he donates most of his super pension to charity, and to the families that he wronged or destroyed as a sort of reimbursement for his misdeeds.
Jason Howard

Django
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GTAngler posted:
Django posted:

May 04, 2017 Source

History will not be kind to Hamilton Green.

 

When I heard Rupert Roopnaraine was about to launch his book, “The Sky’s Wild Noise,” I thought that Guyana would have one of the finest outlays of post-Independence politics. Dr. Roopnaraine was someone whose politics I would never put in the category of four post-Independence giants like Walter Rodney, Clive Thomas and Moses Bhagwan and Eusi Kwayana. But Roopnaraine was possessed of a sharp intellectual touch that would make his analysis of the Burnham regime equal to any.
As it turned out, his book was not about the period of Burnham rule and that era of the glorious confrontation between the Working People’s Alliance and the Burnham regime. To date, the definitive work on the authoritarian nature of the Burnham administration remains the book of Father Andrew Morrison; “Justice: The Struggle for Democracy in Guyana, 1952 – 1992.” It is my opinion that this work will remain an enormous stumbling block to any positive portrait of Forbes Burnham. It is a book that Hamilton Green may wish was never ever published
But this columnist is old enough to offer firsthand accounts of that ugly period in Guyana’s contemporary history to supplement Father Morrison’s elegant descriptions and assessments. Hamilton Green as the most trusted lieutenant of President Burnham was a powerful man whose penchant for undemocratic behaviour exceeded any in the PNC administration from 1964 until the death of Forbes Burnham in 1985. It was quite logical for Desmond Hoyte to have wanted to remove Green from the PNC when he, Hoyte, became president. Mr. Green was expelled.
Hamilton Green’s name is associated with the most negative and undemocratic aspects of the Burnham era. Mr. Burnham was by far more tolerant of anti-governmental activism than Green. Mr. Green was quoted in the Tuesday edition of this paper as describing how his wife suffered after the PPP came to power in 1992. He said she was dismissed from her medical post. This is true. Mr. Green is right. What Green did when he was a PNC Minister for 28 years should not have been used to victimize his wife. But the rights of other men’s wives were violated by Minister Green back in the seventies.
One such victim was the wife of WPA executive Moses Bhagwan. Mr. Green fired Mrs. Bhagwan on the spot, when as subject Minister he went into the offices of the Government-owned Guyana Pharmaceutical Corporation. I was in the picket line of the WPA that had denounced this act of Green. I will send an email to Moses asking him to describe for the current generation that particularly sad incident. In my heart, I honestly believe Mr. Green should offer an apology for violations he committed during that tragic era in the evolution of the Guyanese nation-state.
I was in the national archives doing research and seated next to me was Dr. James Rose, who later became Vice Chancellor, when we both saw Mr. Green descending from his car and wading into a group of strikers who were picketing outside of the state-owned Guyana Stores. I saw Mr. Green’s behaviour with my own two eyes. I was a student at UG in 1974 when the Government rescinded the appointment of Walter Rodney. Contrary to what Guyanese believe, it was Mr. Green who was more active and vocal in the denunciation of Rodney’s appointment.
The period of Green’s “bad boy” days is long gone, and Guyanese should not lament its sadness but look toward the future. There are too many in the Guyana diaspora whose minds are so overtaken by this epoch that all they can think of when they discuss Guyanese politics is what Burnham and Green did in the seventies. The seventies disappeared almost fifty years ago. But since Mr. Green in 2017 brought up what happened to his wife in 1992, the historian needs to remind Green that he is not without blame.
Mr. Green should not be hunted down in his old age about what he did when he was a powerful Minister, but history at the same time cannot be erased. History never dies. It lives on. Once history lives on, the misdeeds of men and women will not, and cannot be erased. Apartheid is dead and gone, but it has not been removed from history. We will always remember it.
It is against this background, I would urge Hamilton Green that as he moves closer to his nineties, he should make peace with history and Guyana. He should not use the atrocities committed by the Jagdeo cabals as an excuse not to apologize. He owes a debt to history. Mrs. Bhagwan is still alive and she deserves to hear that apology.

What about Shirley Field Ridley and Vincent Teekah?

Hang the bastard in public. He is and was Guyana's foremost terrorist.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
GTAngler posted:
Django posted:

May 04, 2017 Source

History will not be kind to Hamilton Green.

 

When I heard Rupert Roopnaraine was about to launch his book, “The Sky’s Wild Noise,” I thought that Guyana would have one of the finest outlays of post-Independence politics. Dr. Roopnaraine was someone whose politics I would never put in the category of four post-Independence giants like Walter Rodney, Clive Thomas and Moses Bhagwan and Eusi Kwayana. But Roopnaraine was possessed of a sharp intellectual touch that would make his analysis of the Burnham regime equal to any.
As it turned out, his book was not about the period of Burnham rule and that era of the glorious confrontation between the Working People’s Alliance and the Burnham regime. To date, the definitive work on the authoritarian nature of the Burnham administration remains the book of Father Andrew Morrison; “Justice: The Struggle for Democracy in Guyana, 1952 – 1992.” It is my opinion that this work will remain an enormous stumbling block to any positive portrait of Forbes Burnham. It is a book that Hamilton Green may wish was never ever published
But this columnist is old enough to offer firsthand accounts of that ugly period in Guyana’s contemporary history to supplement Father Morrison’s elegant descriptions and assessments. Hamilton Green as the most trusted lieutenant of President Burnham was a powerful man whose penchant for undemocratic behaviour exceeded any in the PNC administration from 1964 until the death of Forbes Burnham in 1985. It was quite logical for Desmond Hoyte to have wanted to remove Green from the PNC when he, Hoyte, became president. Mr. Green was expelled.
Hamilton Green’s name is associated with the most negative and undemocratic aspects of the Burnham era. Mr. Burnham was by far more tolerant of anti-governmental activism than Green. Mr. Green was quoted in the Tuesday edition of this paper as describing how his wife suffered after the PPP came to power in 1992. He said she was dismissed from her medical post. This is true. Mr. Green is right. What Green did when he was a PNC Minister for 28 years should not have been used to victimize his wife. But the rights of other men’s wives were violated by Minister Green back in the seventies.
One such victim was the wife of WPA executive Moses Bhagwan. Mr. Green fired Mrs. Bhagwan on the spot, when as subject Minister he went into the offices of the Government-owned Guyana Pharmaceutical Corporation. I was in the picket line of the WPA that had denounced this act of Green. I will send an email to Moses asking him to describe for the current generation that particularly sad incident. In my heart, I honestly believe Mr. Green should offer an apology for violations he committed during that tragic era in the evolution of the Guyanese nation-state.
I was in the national archives doing research and seated next to me was Dr. James Rose, who later became Vice Chancellor, when we both saw Mr. Green descending from his car and wading into a group of strikers who were picketing outside of the state-owned Guyana Stores. I saw Mr. Green’s behaviour with my own two eyes. I was a student at UG in 1974 when the Government rescinded the appointment of Walter Rodney. Contrary to what Guyanese believe, it was Mr. Green who was more active and vocal in the denunciation of Rodney’s appointment.
The period of Green’s “bad boy” days is long gone, and Guyanese should not lament its sadness but look toward the future. There are too many in the Guyana diaspora whose minds are so overtaken by this epoch that all they can think of when they discuss Guyanese politics is what Burnham and Green did in the seventies. The seventies disappeared almost fifty years ago. But since Mr. Green in 2017 brought up what happened to his wife in 1992, the historian needs to remind Green that he is not without blame.
Mr. Green should not be hunted down in his old age about what he did when he was a powerful Minister, but history at the same time cannot be erased. History never dies. It lives on. Once history lives on, the misdeeds of men and women will not, and cannot be erased. Apartheid is dead and gone, but it has not been removed from history. We will always remember it.
It is against this background, I would urge Hamilton Green that as he moves closer to his nineties, he should make peace with history and Guyana. He should not use the atrocities committed by the Jagdeo cabals as an excuse not to apologize. He owes a debt to history. Mrs. Bhagwan is still alive and she deserves to hear that apology.

What about Shirley Field Ridley and Vincent Teekah?

Hang the bastard in public. He is and was Guyana's foremost terrorist.

Should have been arrested and tried a long time ago.......then hung. If that didn't work, accidents happen.

GTAngler
Gilbakka posted:
cain posted:

I thought something seemed odd about that chap.

Bai, didn't you know Jagan & Burnham were an odd couple? Both had soft feelings for each other, according to Green. Newspapers and radio don't tell you everything. Green had a peek behind closed doors. Ask him.

After The split in 1955, My father found them drinking imported  whiskey and resigned from the party.

R
Django posted:
GTAngler posted:
 

Should have been arrested and tried a long time ago.......then hung. If that didn't work, accidents happen.

That fella have high security,saw it.

SOB needs it. Aren't you in electronics? There are ways.

GTAngler
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Gilbakka posted:
cain posted:

How this guy is still in office during the PPP era and now. What the heck is he holding over the two parties?

He keeps a few secrets about Jagan & Burnham. He knows firsthand about their frequent secret rendezvous and who said what and who begged for what and so on. Joey Jagan had written a letter about one of those secret house chats involving Green.

Dead men tell no tales besides both Burnham and Jagan dead.

GTAngler
Ramakant-P posted:
Gilbakka posted:
cain posted:

I thought something seemed odd about that chap.

Bai, didn't you know Jagan & Burnham were an odd couple? Both had soft feelings for each other, according to Green. Newspapers and radio don't tell you everything. Green had a peek behind closed doors. Ask him.

After The split in 1955, My father found them drinking imported  whiskey and resigned from the party.

They were all living a high life,had the opportunity to witness it,the people were the ones that got screwed.

Django
GTAngler posted:
Django posted:
GTAngler posted:
 

Should have been arrested and tried a long time ago.......then hung. If that didn't work, accidents happen.

That fella have high security,saw it.

SOB needs it. Aren't you in electronics? There are ways.

 Bhai,did some repairs for him in the 80's,as mentioned heavy security.

I recalled a strange fella was traversing the street i lived in,couple days,one day he stop at my residence inquiring what i was doing,his curiosity was after hearing the oscillations when tuning radio,i told him i am a tech,wasn't afraid was covered by some contacts.

Django
Django posted:
Ramakant-P posted:
Gilbakka posted:
cain posted:

I thought something seemed odd about that chap.

Bai, didn't you know Jagan & Burnham were an odd couple? Both had soft feelings for each other, according to Green. Newspapers and radio don't tell you everything. Green had a peek behind closed doors. Ask him.

After The split in 1955, My father found them drinking imported  whiskey and resigned from the party.

They were all living a high life,had the opportunity to witness it,the people were the ones that got screwed.

Drinking imported whiskey is living the high life?????????  Dude, you need to raise your standards.

Bibi Haniffa
GTAngler posted:
skeldon_man posted:
GTAngler posted:
Django posted:

May 04, 2017 Source

What about Shirley Field Ridley and Vincent Teekah?

Hang the bastard in public. He is and was Guyana's foremost terrorist.

Should have been arrested and tried a long time ago.......then hung. If that didn't work, accidents happen.

I always believe in some torture before hanging these bastards. The condemned bastard should have his testicles adjusted with a vice grip. Hanging is a quick death compared to what these SOBs did to their victims.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
GTAngler posted:
skeldon_man posted:
GTAngler posted:
Django posted:

May 04, 2017 Source

What about Shirley Field Ridley and Vincent Teekah?

Hang the bastard in public. He is and was Guyana's foremost terrorist.

Should have been arrested and tried a long time ago.......then hung. If that didn't work, accidents happen.

I always believe in some torture before hanging these bastards. The condemned bastard should have his testicles adjusted with a vice grip. Hanging is a quick death compared to what these SOBs did to their victims.

Need to suffer both as punishment and as a deterrent to others...

GTAngler

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