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I am asking members of the board to analyze if there is any damaging factors will arise for Granger, now that Maduro didn't recognised him as the legitimate president of Guyana.

This happen at an important summit that Granger attended with other heads of state.
The news is now public in newspapers, social media and television.

How will Granger conduct business with neighboring Venezuela, the Caribbean, and the world, knowing that his legitimacy is in question?

Concerned,
Cobra

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Originally Posted by Cobra:
I am asking members of the board to analyze if there is any damaging factors will arise for Granger, now that Maduro didn't recognised him as the legitimate president of Guyana.

This happen at an important summit that Granger attended with other heads of state.
The news is now public in newspapers, social media and television.

How will Granger conduct business with neighboring Venezuela, the Caribbean, and the world, knowing that his legitimacy is in question?

Concerned,
Cobra

I saw the video tape of the leaders taking pictures. Granger looks lost. No one talking to him and Maduro kept everyone waiting for him...

 

Its true that Maduro is also trying to isolate Guyana from Latin America. We have more interaction with Brazil, Venezuela and Surinam (some with Fr Guiana, largely due to migration to area)in the region. There is not much that Maduro can do to isolate us than we are not already isolated. However, Venezuela is an important traduing partner. Maduro will try to squeeze us, and he is also a threat, given its claims over the Essequibo and Guyana's territorial waters. Beyond this, I dont think he will try to destabioize the Granger government...this is too risky and I do not think the PPP will head down this road. I do think though that the PPP should maintain the friendly link they had with Venezuela (that is party to party relations)...the PPP can also act as a lobbying force in the current conflict...like Jesse Jackson going to bring captured Americans back from Cuba or the Middle East. However, they would have to walk a thin line here...and they should keep the administration informed (but not let themselves be constrained by Granger). The PPP should not be seen as a spoiler or anti-nationalist. They have to think about the future....these are my thoughts on this.

Vish

V
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
I saw the video tape of the leaders taking pictures. Granger looks lost. No one talking to him and Maduro kept everyone waiting for him...

 

Its true that Maduro is also trying to isolate Guyana from Latin America. We have more interaction with Brazil, Venezuela and Surinam (some with Fr Guiana, largely due to migration to area)in the region. There is not much that Maduro can do to isolate us than we are not already isolated. However, Venezuela is an important traduing partner. Maduro will try to squeeze us, and he is also a threat, given its claims over the Essequibo and Guyana's territorial waters. Beyond this, I dont think he will try to destabioize the Granger government...this is too risky and I do not think the PPP will head down this road. I do think though that the PPP should maintain the friendly link they had with Venezuela (that is party to party relations)...the PPP can also act as a lobbying force in the current conflict...like Jesse Jackson going to bring captured Americans back from Cuba or the Middle East. However, they would have to walk a thin line here...and they should keep the administration informed (but not let themselves be constrained by Granger). The PPP should not be seen as a spoiler or anti-nationalist. They have to think about the future....these are my thoughts on this.

Vish

preposterous, seditious nonsense!

 

u understand that this is a Guyana-Venezuela problem, rite?

 

what happens to the silly "party to party" relations when Maduro and the Chavistas are consigned to the dustbin of history?

 

smfh

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
I saw the video tape of the leaders taking pictures. Granger looks lost. No one talking to him and Maduro kept everyone waiting for him...

 

Its true that Maduro is also trying to isolate Guyana from Latin America. We have more interaction with Brazil, Venezuela and Surinam (some with Fr Guiana, largely due to migration to area)in the region. There is not much that Maduro can do to isolate us than we are not already isolated. However, Venezuela is an important traduing partner. Maduro will try to squeeze us, and he is also a threat, given its claims over the Essequibo and Guyana's territorial waters. Beyond this, I dont think he will try to destabioize the Granger government...this is too risky and I do not think the PPP will head down this road. I do think though that the PPP should maintain the friendly link they had with Venezuela (that is party to party relations)...the PPP can also act as a lobbying force in the current conflict...like Jesse Jackson going to bring captured Americans back from Cuba or the Middle East. However, they would have to walk a thin line here...and they should keep the administration informed (but not let themselves be constrained by Granger). The PPP should not be seen as a spoiler or anti-nationalist. They have to think about the future....these are my thoughts on this.

Vish

preposterous, seditious nonsense!

 

u understand that this is a Guyana-Venezuela problem, rite?

 

what happens to the silly "party to party" relations when Maduro and the Chavistas are consigned to the dustbin of history?

 

smfh

"u understand that this is a Guyana-Venezuela problem, rite?"

 

The countries have not declared war on each other. Guyana is seeking a diplomatic route because we cannot engage Venezuela in a war...they will take more than Ankoko. Granger should also exploit other ways to conduct "quiet diplomacy" to diffuse the situation, after he has completed the diplomatic rounds.

 

All I am saying is that, the PPP must continue to support the government. but perhaps the PPP can exploit their close relations with Venezuela to get Venezuela to tone down its rhetoric. The fact that the PPP has also dubbed the Granger government as "de facto" might also lead to that open window. 

 

Seditious?? I did say that if anyone, including the PPP, choose to go that route, it should be done with the full knowledge of the Granger government.

 

The Maduro govt might disappear in the dustbin, but we are faced with this problem NOW.  

 

Quiet diplomacy has been conducted since the Athens-Sparta Peloponnesian War. Its nothing new. 

 

 

V
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

Is the PPP encouraging Venezuela to annex Essequibo and offer the East Indian population a Venezuelan passport? Judging by the comments of some people the PPP is ready to consider even treason in order to get back in power.

This is an idiotic and racist post. Check yourself brother....

Seems that way to me also and to most I'm sure.

cain
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

Is the PPP encouraging Venezuela to annex Essequibo and offer the East Indian population a Venezuelan passport? Judging by the comments of some people the PPP is ready to consider even treason in order to get back in power.

This is an idiotic and racist post. Check yourself brother....

You got nothing to add, try following Ramjattan's advise and "Haul you arse". Leave the racist comments out....instead of using your racial stereotypes to make ad hominem attacks on East Indians.

V
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
I saw the video tape of the leaders taking pictures. Granger looks lost. No one talking to him and Maduro kept everyone waiting for him...

 

Its true that Maduro is also trying to isolate Guyana from Latin America. We have more interaction with Brazil, Venezuela and Surinam (some with Fr Guiana, largely due to migration to area)in the region. There is not much that Maduro can do to isolate us than we are not already isolated. However, Venezuela is an important traduing partner. Maduro will try to squeeze us, and he is also a threat, given its claims over the Essequibo and Guyana's territorial waters. Beyond this, I dont think he will try to destabioize the Granger government...this is too risky and I do not think the PPP will head down this road. I do think though that the PPP should maintain the friendly link they had with Venezuela (that is party to party relations)...the PPP can also act as a lobbying force in the current conflict...like Jesse Jackson going to bring captured Americans back from Cuba or the Middle East. However, they would have to walk a thin line here...and they should keep the administration informed (but not let themselves be constrained by Granger). The PPP should not be seen as a spoiler or anti-nationalist. They have to think about the future....these are my thoughts on this.

Vish

preposterous, seditious nonsense!

 

u understand that this is a Guyana-Venezuela problem, rite?

 

what happens to the silly "party to party" relations when Maduro and the Chavistas are consigned to the dustbin of history?

 

smfh

"u understand that this is a Guyana-Venezuela problem, rite?"

 

The countries have not declared war on each other. Guyana is seeking a diplomatic route because we cannot engage Venezuela in a war...they will take more than Ankoko. Granger should also exploit other ways to conduct "quiet diplomacy" to diffuse the situation, after he has completed the diplomatic rounds.

 

All I am saying is that, the PPP must continue to support the government. but perhaps the PPP can exploit their close relations with Venezuela to get Venezuela to tone down its rhetoric. The fact that the PPP has also dubbed the Granger government as "de facto" might also lead to that open window. 

 

Seditious?? I did say that if anyone, including the PPP, choose to go that route, it should be done with the full knowledge of the Granger government.

 

The Maduro govt might disappear in the dustbin, but we are faced with this problem NOW.  

 

Quiet diplomacy has been conducted since the Athens-Sparta Peloponnesian War. Its nothing new. 

u actually have no idea how freakin absurd u are in context, eh?

 

alyuh fellow travelers have truly lost y'all way

 

smh

FM
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

Is the PPP encouraging Venezuela to annex Essequibo and offer the East Indian population a Venezuelan passport? Judging by the comments of some people the PPP is ready to consider even treason in order to get back in power.

This is an idiotic and racist post. Check yourself brother....

You got nothing to add, try following Ramjattan's advise and "Haul you arse". Leave the racist comments out....instead of using your racial stereotypes to make ad hominem attacks on East Indians.

Did you read the original posts carefully?   Can you offer a sensible response to this grave problem without so we can have some constructive discussion? You hide behind a fake arse name and spit your racist nonsense here. Shame on you! Where did you get this information that PPP and Indians encouraging Venezuela to take over Essequibo??? HUH??  Everything is not Indo versus Afros or vice versa.

 

Granger should be fixing the domestic problems we are faced with not getting embroiled in a conflict with a more powerful neighbor. We are looking for solutions not hurling racial insults. 

V
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

Is the PPP encouraging Venezuela to annex Essequibo and offer the East Indian population a Venezuelan passport? Judging by the comments of some people the PPP is ready to consider even treason in order to get back in power.

This is an idiotic and racist post. Check yourself brother....

Seems that way to me also and to most I'm sure.

And that is why you are IDIOTIC and RACIST!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
I saw the video tape of the leaders taking pictures. Granger looks lost. No one talking to him and Maduro kept everyone waiting for him...

 

Its true that Maduro is also trying to isolate Guyana from Latin America. We have more interaction with Brazil, Venezuela and Surinam (some with Fr Guiana, largely due to migration to area)in the region. There is not much that Maduro can do to isolate us than we are not already isolated. However, Venezuela is an important traduing partner. Maduro will try to squeeze us, and he is also a threat, given its claims over the Essequibo and Guyana's territorial waters. Beyond this, I dont think he will try to destabioize the Granger government...this is too risky and I do not think the PPP will head down this road. I do think though that the PPP should maintain the friendly link they had with Venezuela (that is party to party relations)...the PPP can also act as a lobbying force in the current conflict...like Jesse Jackson going to bring captured Americans back from Cuba or the Middle East. However, they would have to walk a thin line here...and they should keep the administration informed (but not let themselves be constrained by Granger). The PPP should not be seen as a spoiler or anti-nationalist. They have to think about the future....these are my thoughts on this.

Vish

preposterous, seditious nonsense!

 

u understand that this is a Guyana-Venezuela problem, rite?

 

what happens to the silly "party to party" relations when Maduro and the Chavistas are consigned to the dustbin of history?

 

smfh

"u understand that this is a Guyana-Venezuela problem, rite?"

 

The countries have not declared war on each other. Guyana is seeking a diplomatic route because we cannot engage Venezuela in a war...they will take more than Ankoko. Granger should also exploit other ways to conduct "quiet diplomacy" to diffuse the situation, after he has completed the diplomatic rounds.

 

All I am saying is that, the PPP must continue to support the government. but perhaps the PPP can exploit their close relations with Venezuela to get Venezuela to tone down its rhetoric. The fact that the PPP has also dubbed the Granger government as "de facto" might also lead to that open window. 

 

Seditious?? I did say that if anyone, including the PPP, choose to go that route, it should be done with the full knowledge of the Granger government.

 

The Maduro govt might disappear in the dustbin, but we are faced with this problem NOW.  

 

Quiet diplomacy has been conducted since the Athens-Sparta Peloponnesian War. Its nothing new. 

u actually have no idea how freakin absurd u are in context, eh?

 

alyuh fellow travelers have truly lost y'all way

 

smh

You do realise that, despite the accusations against the PPP, this problem with Venezuela is only occurring with the PNC or (former PNC, nor Granger)...so now you telling us its the fault of the PPP or Indos?. 

V
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

Is the PPP encouraging Venezuela to annex Essequibo and offer the East Indian population a Venezuelan passport? Judging by the comments of some people the PPP is ready to consider even treason in order to get back in power.

This is an idiotic and racist post. Check yourself brother....

What exactly is racist about it? As and East Indian myself I am fully entitled to ask questions about what other Guyanese East Indians are up to. Dropping the race card doesn't cut it with me sonny boy.

Mr.T
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
I saw the video tape of the leaders taking pictures. Granger looks lost. No one talking to him and Maduro kept everyone waiting for him...

 

Its true that Maduro is also trying to isolate Guyana from Latin America. We have more interaction with Brazil, Venezuela and Surinam (some with Fr Guiana, largely due to migration to area)in the region. There is not much that Maduro can do to isolate us than we are not already isolated. However, Venezuela is an important traduing partner. Maduro will try to squeeze us, and he is also a threat, given its claims over the Essequibo and Guyana's territorial waters. Beyond this, I dont think he will try to destabioize the Granger government...this is too risky and I do not think the PPP will head down this road. I do think though that the PPP should maintain the friendly link they had with Venezuela (that is party to party relations)...the PPP can also act as a lobbying force in the current conflict...like Jesse Jackson going to bring captured Americans back from Cuba or the Middle East. However, they would have to walk a thin line here...and they should keep the administration informed (but not let themselves be constrained by Granger). The PPP should not be seen as a spoiler or anti-nationalist. They have to think about the future....these are my thoughts on this.

Vish

preposterous, seditious nonsense!

 

u understand that this is a Guyana-Venezuela problem, rite?

 

what happens to the silly "party to party" relations when Maduro and the Chavistas are consigned to the dustbin of history?

 

smfh

"u understand that this is a Guyana-Venezuela problem, rite?"

 

The countries have not declared war on each other. Guyana is seeking a diplomatic route because we cannot engage Venezuela in a war...they will take more than Ankoko. Granger should also exploit other ways to conduct "quiet diplomacy" to diffuse the situation, after he has completed the diplomatic rounds.

 

All I am saying is that, the PPP must continue to support the government. but perhaps the PPP can exploit their close relations with Venezuela to get Venezuela to tone down its rhetoric. The fact that the PPP has also dubbed the Granger government as "de facto" might also lead to that open window. 

 

Seditious?? I did say that if anyone, including the PPP, choose to go that route, it should be done with the full knowledge of the Granger government.

 

The Maduro govt might disappear in the dustbin, but we are faced with this problem NOW.  

 

Quiet diplomacy has been conducted since the Athens-Sparta Peloponnesian War. Its nothing new. 

u actually have no idea how freakin absurd u are in context, eh?

 

alyuh fellow travelers have truly lost y'all way

 

smh

In fact, I think Granger is only aggravating the situation. His soldier rhetoric is only firing up the Venezuelans. He need to exploit other ways to get the Venuzuelans to tone down their rhetoric...public diplomacy alone will not do it.  

V
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
I saw the video tape of the leaders taking pictures. Granger looks lost. No one talking to him and Maduro kept everyone waiting for him...

 

Its true that Maduro is also trying to isolate Guyana from Latin America. We have more interaction with Brazil, Venezuela and Surinam (some with Fr Guiana, largely due to migration to area)in the region. There is not much that Maduro can do to isolate us than we are not already isolated. However, Venezuela is an important traduing partner. Maduro will try to squeeze us, and he is also a threat, given its claims over the Essequibo and Guyana's territorial waters. Beyond this, I dont think he will try to destabioize the Granger government...this is too risky and I do not think the PPP will head down this road. I do think though that the PPP should maintain the friendly link they had with Venezuela (that is party to party relations)...the PPP can also act as a lobbying force in the current conflict...like Jesse Jackson going to bring captured Americans back from Cuba or the Middle East. However, they would have to walk a thin line here...and they should keep the administration informed (but not let themselves be constrained by Granger). The PPP should not be seen as a spoiler or anti-nationalist. They have to think about the future....these are my thoughts on this.

Vish

preposterous, seditious nonsense!

 

u understand that this is a Guyana-Venezuela problem, rite?

 

what happens to the silly "party to party" relations when Maduro and the Chavistas are consigned to the dustbin of history?

 

smfh

"u understand that this is a Guyana-Venezuela problem, rite?"

 

The countries have not declared war on each other. Guyana is seeking a diplomatic route because we cannot engage Venezuela in a war...they will take more than Ankoko. Granger should also exploit other ways to conduct "quiet diplomacy" to diffuse the situation, after he has completed the diplomatic rounds.

 

All I am saying is that, the PPP must continue to support the government. but perhaps the PPP can exploit their close relations with Venezuela to get Venezuela to tone down its rhetoric. The fact that the PPP has also dubbed the Granger government as "de facto" might also lead to that open window. 

 

Seditious?? I did say that if anyone, including the PPP, choose to go that route, it should be done with the full knowledge of the Granger government.

 

The Maduro govt might disappear in the dustbin, but we are faced with this problem NOW.  

 

Quiet diplomacy has been conducted since the Athens-Sparta Peloponnesian War. Its nothing new. 

u actually have no idea how freakin absurd u are in context, eh?

 

alyuh fellow travelers have truly lost y'all way

 

smh

You do realise that, despite the accusations against the PPP, this problem with Venezuela is only occurring with the PNC or (former PNC, nor Granger)...so now you telling us its the fault of the PPP or Indos?. 

no . . . where did i say (or imply) that?

 

your posts on this thread are getting weird; are you high?

FM
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Originally Posted by Mr.T:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

Is the PPP encouraging Venezuela to annex Essequibo and offer the East Indian population a Venezuelan passport? Judging by the comments of some people the PPP is ready to consider even treason in order to get back in power.

This is an idiotic and racist post. Check yourself brother....

What exactly is racist about it? As and East Indian myself I am fully entitled to ask questions about what other Guyanese East Indians are up to. Dropping the race card doesn't cut it with me sonny boy.

What motivates you to ask such a silly question???.."judging by comments"??.and where is the evidence that the PPP is willing to commit treason???? The treasonous act is what you are saying.

 

You probably forgot that it was Granger's party which caused to mass migration of Guyanese to places like Manuas, etc. Granger should explore the possibility of those people platying a role in diffusing this conflict.

V

 

"If you can't see that the PPP is busy committing a sell out of Guyana to their communist friends in Venezuela"

 

Mr. T,

Not to be insulting, but I do not know if you possess a secondary or tertiary level education, but you need to read your statement above and ponder upon how ridiculous it sounds. 

 

This is the reason I do not frequent this site too often...one knucklehead accuses Indians of being racists, another accuse them of being seditious, and another one...well...has very little to say. 

 

T, you should go to Guyana, spend some time at Freedom House and meet with some of the people there and share your ideas with them. When you are done, visit some Indos and ask them if they really are planning to commit treason by asking Venezuela to take over Essequibo. 

 

Your ideas are too far out there to even attempt to engage in a civil discussion. 

 

Hope you see the light one day brother...if you see your shadow remember its not a ghost...just your shadow.

V
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:

 

"If you can't see that the PPP is busy committing a sell out of Guyana to their communist friends in Venezuela"

 

Mr. T,

Not to be insulting, but I do not know if you possess a secondary or tertiary level education, but you need to read your statement above and ponder upon how ridiculous it sounds. 

 

 

Mullah TBagger is an idiot, plain and simple. Don't lose sleep trying to figure him out.

FM
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:

This is the reason I do not frequent this site too often...one knucklehead accuses Indians of being racists, another accuse them of being seditious, and another one...well...has very little to say . . .

u scampish, lying, little biatch

 

i challenge u to show where i accuse "Indians" of being "seditious"

 

u are just another bigot little shit who runs for cover bawling that "Indians" are being persecuted when lash comes down pan u for posting shyte

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

Is the PPP encouraging Venezuela to annex Essequibo and offer the East Indian population a Venezuelan passport? Judging by the comments of some people the PPP is ready to consider even treason in order to get back in power.

I always believed some Guyanese Indos are treasonous...as could be seen here on GNI

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:

Maduro don't mean shit to Guyana. He is just trying to divert attention from himself. He should worry more with Venezuelans not caring for him as President than who is President of Guyana. And this border issue comes up every now and then and then it goes away for a while.

But in so doing, Guyana's territory remains developmentally stunted, so he (the claim) means a whole lot of shit bai.

FM

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