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November 6,2017

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Addressing a PNCR conference on Saturday in Georgia, USA, President David Granger inveighed against elitism in the party and said  a big question for members is how the party will retain office after 2020 when elections are to be held.

Reaching back into history and the circumstances of how the People’s National Congress  (PNC) came to power in 1964 and subsequently how its leader, Forbes Burnham lobbied for Guyana’s independence, Leader of the now PNCR, Granger, told the party conference that the same diligent attitudes are needed now.

He urged members to condemn elitism if it is ever evident and not to forget that the party was birthed from poor “common folk” who wanted better for their nation.

President David Granger addressing a Georgia forum

“Most people were extremely poor even into the late 60s where an average salary was $70 dollars a month…The PNC was created as a party of a new time. We fought for independence, we fought for the West Indies Federation, we fought for the working class, and we fought to establish a multi ethnic party. We fought to bring rural and urban and hinterland together. We established a democratic party,” Granger said during his ‘Leader of the Party’ address at the  North America Region conference.

And as he gave a timeline of how the then PNC came into office back in 1964, he reminded that many persons lost their lives in their work of supporting the party.  The PNC entered office then in alliance with the United Force though the PPP had a plurality.

“And then there came a time when there were disturbances. I’m not trying to open old sores but trying to let people know the struggles our party went through…it was a period of arson and murder and violence,” he stressed, referring to 1962.

Pointing to the First-Past-the-Post system that was used then to elect governments, he told of the resistance of the People’s Progressive Party to a change to the Proportional Representation system. He boasted that in 1964 the coalition that was formed restored peace to the land.

And when the country gained independence in 1966, he said the PPP who had fought against the coalition sent only a small delegation to be part of what should have been a national celebration.

“Our party brought about reconciliation and settlement. Through a policy of social cohesion we brought about reconciliation and introduced education reforms,” he said. 

As is usually the case at PNCR events, there was no reference to the history of rigged elections between 1968 and 1985.

Naming infrastructural and other projects such as the University of Guyana Campus, the Skeldon to New Amsterdam Road and others, Granger boasted of a government with a vision for holistic development.

Noted too was the building of housing schemes, which he said came from the heart of a compassionate and humane government that was appalled to see its people living without basic amenities like a flushing toilet or in-house bathrooms and faucets.

And as it pertained to racial unity he reflected on Muslims recently using State House’s Benab at their festivals.

“My brothers and sisters, that is where I take my ideas from, my ideologies from and it is good for you to know that. The PNC is not a fly-by-night party. The PNC is a party of historical depth and vision. Today, therefore, as we come to the NAR conference, I see our coming together as a reaffirmation of all of these things that we have stood for the last 60 years,” he stressed.

He urged attendees to familiarize themselves with the country’s constitution so whatever decisions acted on will conform to and be guided by law.

“Our constitution, and I hope this General Secretary will ensure that our constitution is printed so that everybody should have it in their … breast pocket-I see it as a rule. A rule that is embedded in that constitution, and if you have a copy, you will see how the regions were reestablished. Rule 11 4 governs the conduct of elections at your annual regional conferences. Your presence here today is governed by rules in our constitution and this conference itself is testimony to the regularity and revitalization of our democracy,” he said.

“And whatever you will choose to discuss today and the weeks and months to come, I think there are several questions that you have to ask yourself as you look to the future. You have to ask yourself ‘how the PNC gained office in 1964?’ Ask yourself ‘how did the PNC remain in office and what did it do during that year?’ Ask yourself how the PNC (regained office)  in 2015 and ask yourself how the PNC would retain office after 2020. These are big questions. This calls for work of our members in all regions,” he added.

The PNCR is represented in the governing coalition by virtue of its membership of APNU.

And as he culminated his address, the PNCR Leader went to quotations and scriptures from the Holy Bible, telling attendees that if they are not driven by a deep sense of faith we could end up like the “seed that fell by the wayside”, not living up to potential.

For he believes, he said, that if every party supporter knows that they have that support system of persons who believe in their potential, coupled with the will and faith in themselves, they can excel and by doing so build a dream nation that would be the envy of the world.

“Our party is based on the common people. God loves common people and it is why he made so much. That is them who come out in their numbers. You cannot establish an elite party,” he said

“I don’t want to see at a function some people eating and dining and others holding on a chain-link fence can’t get in. I am not saying you don’t need to make money we need to prevent the party from being divided in an elite and an ordinary man. You don’t get 207,000 votes by being elitist. By the highways or byways, we will work with the ordinary man,” he added.

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“Stop attacking the leader” of the PNCR; time to build solidarity- Granger

 

President David Granger

Leader of the People’s National Congress Reform (PNCR), David Granger has appealed to party members to stop attacking him and instead unite for the common good of that 60-year old political organisation.

“I think the time has come for people to stop attacking the leader of the party as a past-time as cake-shop or rum-shop gaff and establish a truce between the membership and the leadership,” he said.

Granger, who remarked that he is a PNCR member for 52 years and he is no stranger to struggle, identified “solidarity” as a key ingredient for building the party. “I don’t say so because of myself but because of the office and I I do not know of any situation in which these vitriolic attacks on the party’s leader actually help to build solidarity; I think they help to undermine,” he said.

Urging party faithful at the North American Region to accept the principle of party solidarity, he cautioned against constant bickering. “The party cannot be strong  if it is weakened by constant harping or my rumour-mongering. The party cannot be united if it is divided by rivalry and factionalism, by disloyalty….” he said.

Granger, who is the President of Guyana, noted that he was the first party leader to have been elected by ordinary members and said anyone was free to challenge him at the polls. “I only became leader through one route- that is elections- and if the membership of the party doesn’t want me to be leader, remove me not by going to a football game in Linden and recruiting members but by going into ” several villages.

Later, the Guyanese leader added that two persons, who had challenged him at PNCR’s  primary elections for leadership are now Vice President and Senior Minister, evidence that he does not bear malice. “Two of the strongest rivals are now colleagues in the Cabinet…I don’t hold grievances and grouses, you know. I don’t try to attack and destroy my enemies. The PNC is one and if you have a role to play, if you have a contribution to make- it’s the party that matters not personal prejudice,” he said.

Part of his strategy, he said, is putting his ideas in writing to allow persons to agree or disagree and that the party’s direction is endorsed by Congress, General Council, Central Executive and conferences such as the one held last weekend by the PNCR’s North American Region.

He recommended that steps be taken to attract young people to the party, engage in continuous mobilisation rather than merely for elections, establish Congress Houses in communities and in North America, produce more publications, pay attention to migration and re-migration to serve Guyanese, and engage in outreach activities.

Stressing the importance of unity, he recalled the period when Hamilton Green led several PNC members to form a splinter party named the Good and Green Guyana (GGG), and Raphael Trotman left the PNCR under the leadership of Robert Corbin, a period of “almost in a state of permanent insurgency”, to form the Alliance For Change (AFC).

The PNCR Leader felt very strongly about party defectors, even to the point of telling Green how he felt about his decision to form a rival entity. “Perhaps, the greatest wound that our party suffered was the secession of a huge section of our party, calling themselves Good and Green, a deep wound and I say so to Hammie’s face. You don’t do that to your party. If you can’t agree, walk. Don’t break,” he said.

After Green was expelled from the PNC  in 1993 following a disciplinary hearing, he had taken with him several PNC members and supporters including Kwame Mc Coy, Juan Edghill, Odinga Lumumba, Basil Williams, Joseph Hamilton, Llewellyn John and Patricia Chase- Green to form the GGG and win a plurality of votes in the 1994 local government elections.

Mc Coy, Edghill, Lumumba and latterly Hamilton departed from the GGG and embraced the PPP, while Williams, John, Chase-Green and Hamilton Green are back in the PNC fold.

The President said the PNC was founded on a number of philosophical principles including egalitarianism in which common folk are not spurned. “Those are the people who come out in their numbers to support our party and we cannot abandon that egalitarianism. We cannot establish an elite party,” he said.

Django

Gilbakka can always rely on Django to post Granger News on GNI. It's a pity the PPP doesn't have any devotee to post Jagdeo News here. Too bad. It would be patently unfair to expect Django to post Jagdeo News. He affirmed in different words that he does not like Jagdeo's best bone. 

FM

Re: Granger's Merika speech. It's clear that PNCR Leader Granger is already pondering on the chances of his party winning the 2020 election. That is understandable.

All I want is that the election be free and fair with international and local independent observers. I have seen pro-coalition comments on social media insisting that Jagdeo/PPP must never be allowed to get power again AT ALL COSTS. Those 3 words smack of RIGGING if necessary.

FM
Mitwah posted:

Why did the writer say: "President David Granger inveighed "? I always thought Granger was cool. 

Granger deceived thousands, bhai. In 2015 he made an impression that has not stood up. We have to blame ourselves for being gullible. Gilly was gullible too.

FM
Gilbakka posted:

Re: Granger's Merika speech. It's clear that PNCR Leader Granger is already pondering on the chances of his party winning the 2020 election. That is understandable.

All I want is that the election be free and fair with international and local independent observers.I have seen pro-coalition comments on social media insisting that Jagdeo/PPP must never be allowed to get power again AT ALL COSTS. Those 3 words smack of RIGGING if necessary.

Freeno,i am observing the same,tough days ahead for the PPP,me thinks Guyana heading back to the rigging days,the PPP should have amended the the Electoral Laws,23 yrs all they did was patch work to the Constitution,Jagdeo and crew think they will never loose an Election.

Majority of Indo Guyanese will be "thrown under the bus" quote from another GINER.

Indo Guyanese should not blame Naga and Ramjattan,wrong tree they barking on,blame their Party Leadership.

Django
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Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:

Why did the writer say: "President David Granger inveighed "? I always thought Granger was cool. 

Granger deceived thousands, bhai. In 2015 he made an impression that has not stood up. We have to blame ourselves for being gullible. Gilly was gullible too.

I don't see him making an effort to make the PNCR a multi-ethnic party. It is fast be becoming a party for the elite and old guards. 

Mitwah

the ppp will never win a next election with the present ex-ministers they have as officials,for them to stand a chance and win back people confidence they have to do the right thing swallow they stupid pride and bring back people like ralph as the party leader,its time for them to think about guyana and not the party   

FM
warrior posted:

the ppp will never win a next election with the present ex-ministers they have as officials,for them to stand a chance and win back people confidence they have to do the right thing swallow they stupid pride and bring back people like ralph as the party leader,its time for them to think about guyana and not the party   

Warrior, I think there are some bright Young Ones who might be quite qualified to be party leader.

Mitwah
Mitwah posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:

Why did the writer say: "President David Granger inveighed "? I always thought Granger was cool. 

Granger deceived thousands, bhai. In 2015 he made an impression that has not stood up. We have to blame ourselves for being gullible. Gilly was gullible too.

I don't see him making an effort to make the PNCR a multi-ethnic party. It is fast be becoming a party for the elite and old guards. 

"He urged members to condemn elitism if it is ever evident and not to forget that the party was birthed from poor “common folk” who wanted better for their nation."

"He recommended that steps be taken to attract young people to the party, engage in continuous mobilisation rather than merely for elections."


 

Mits,the above is what Granger said.

Django
Mitwah posted:
warrior posted:

the ppp will never win a next election with the present ex-ministers they have as officials,for them to stand a chance and win back people confidence they have to do the right thing swallow they stupid pride and bring back people like ralph as the party leader,its time for them to think about guyana and not the party   

Warrior, I think there are some bright Young Ones who might be quite qualified to be party leader.

maybe you right but are they known by the Guyanese people and can they overshadow jagdeo ralph qualify in both

FM
Django posted:
Mitwah posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:

Why did the writer say: "President David Granger inveighed "? I always thought Granger was cool. 

Granger deceived thousands, bhai. In 2015 he made an impression that has not stood up. We have to blame ourselves for being gullible. Gilly was gullible too.

I don't see him making an effort to make the PNCR a multi-ethnic party. It is fast be becoming a party for the elite and old guards. 

"He urged members to condemn elitism if it is ever evident and not to forget that the party was birthed from poor “common folk” who wanted better for their nation."

"He recommended that steps be taken to attract young people to the party, engage in continuous mobilisation rather than merely for elections."


 

Mits,the above is what Granger said.

He said a lot of things pre 2015. Many of us were gullible. Is he serious about attracting young people when he appointed a 84 year old to head up GECOM?

Mitwah
Django posted:

“Stop attacking the leader” of the PNCR; time to build solidarity- Granger

 

President David Granger

Leader of the People’s National Congress Reform (PNCR), David Granger has appealed to party members to stop attacking him and instead unite for the common good of that 60-year old political organisation.

“I think the time has come for people to stop attacking the leader of the party as a past-time as cake-shop or rum-shop gaff and establish a truce between the membership and the leadership,” he said.

Granger, who remarked that he is a PNCR member for 52 years and he is no stranger to struggle....

 

 

 

Y'all see this? Granger was a PNC member since 1965. So, two times Opposition Leader Desmond Hoyte submitted PNC man Granger's name to be GECOM Chairman to President Jagdeo.

Granger didn't decline pleading he was not impartial or fit and proper. Phew!!! I feel like cussing.

FM

The Indian attitude towards politics have to change in order to see major concessions from their adversaries. Looking at politics as boring, evil, and produces nothing positive is a major hindrance to progress and change. They must be made to see political struggle as a way to build a better life for all. Being for yourself and praying god are all fine, but they must learn the importance and benefits of sacrifice.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Mitwah posted:
Django posted:
Mitwah posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:

Why did the writer say: "President David Granger inveighed "? I always thought Granger was cool. 

Granger deceived thousands, bhai. In 2015 he made an impression that has not stood up. We have to blame ourselves for being gullible. Gilly was gullible too.

I don't see him making an effort to make the PNCR a multi-ethnic party. It is fast be becoming a party for the elite and old guards. 

"He urged members to condemn elitism if it is ever evident and not to forget that the party was birthed from poor “common folk” who wanted better for their nation."

"He recommended that steps be taken to attract young people to the party, engage in continuous mobilisation rather than merely for elections."


 

Mits,the above is what Granger said.

He said a lot of things pre 2015. Many of us were gullible. Is he serious about attracting young people when he appointed a 84 year old to head up GECOM?

Mits,next year is LGE,i mentioned appointing the 84 yr old,sound like some game plan.

http://gina.gov.gy/2018-lge-on...tch-minister-bulkan/

Django
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

“Stop attacking the leader” of the PNCR; time to build solidarity- Granger

 

President David Granger

Leader of the People’s National Congress Reform (PNCR), David Granger has appealed to party members to stop attacking him and instead unite for the common good of that 60-year old political organisation.

“I think the time has come for people to stop attacking the leader of the party as a past-time as cake-shop or rum-shop gaff and establish a truce between the membership and the leadership,” he said.

Granger, who remarked that he is a PNCR member for 52 years and he is no stranger to struggle....

 

 

 

Y'all see this? Granger was a PNC member since 1965. So, two times Opposition Leader Desmond Hoyte submitted PNC man Granger's name to be GECOM Chairman to President Jagdeo.

Granger didn't decline pleading he was not impartial or fit and proper. Phew!!! I feel like cussing.

Ow me gaaad.  Nah cuss.  GNI is not a place for cussbirds!!

Bibi Haniffa
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Re: Granger's Merika speech. It's clear that PNCR Leader Granger is already pondering on the chances of his party winning the 2020 election. That is understandable.

All I want is that the election be free and fair with international and local independent observers.I have seen pro-coalition comments on social media insisting that Jagdeo/PPP must never be allowed to get power again AT ALL COSTS. Those 3 words smack of RIGGING if necessary.

Freeno,i am observing the same,tough days ahead for the PPP,me thinks Guyana heading back to the rigging days,the PPP should have amended the the Electoral Laws,23 yrs all they did was patch work to the Constitution,Jagdeo and crew think they will never loose an Election.

Majority of Indo Guyanese will be "thrown under the bus" quote from another GINER.

Indo Guyanese should not blame Naga and Ramjattan,wrong tree they barking on,blame their Party Leadership.

I am observing the same, tough days ahead for the PPP, me thinks Guyana heading back to the rigging days.

Djangy buddy, instead of unleashing your wrath upon these riggers, deceitful, and shameless pigs, you take upon yourself just to make a mild comment referring to the "tough days ahead". Do you ever wonder why these guys refer to you as "slop can carrier for the PNC"? Please, rub the shame from your eyes before it's too late. You talk of the ills of the PPP, yet you do not see the ills of your masters.

FM
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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

The Indian attitude towards politics have to change in order to see major concessions from their adversaries. Looking at politics as boring, evil, and produces nothing positive is a major hindrance to progress and change. They must be made to see political struggle as a way to build a better life for all. Being for yourself and praying god are all fine, but they must learn the importance and benefits of sacrifice.

who sacrifice the ppp bigwigs sure i see their struggle when i look at pradoville 1&2

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

The Indian attitude towards politics have to change in order to see major concessions from their adversaries. Looking at politics as boring, evil, and produces nothing positive is a major hindrance to progress and change. They must be made to see political struggle as a way to build a better life for all. Being for yourself and praying god are all fine, but they must learn the importance and benefits of sacrifice.

Billy, I hope and pray that you are not suggesting that the PNC is verse in the art of Sacrifice and possess the graet attitudes and actions!!!!

Nehru
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Re: Granger's Merika speech. It's clear that PNCR Leader Granger is already pondering on the chances of his party winning the 2020 election. That is understandable.

All I want is that the election be free and fair with international and local independent observers.I have seen pro-coalition comments on social media insisting that Jagdeo/PPP must never be allowed to get power again AT ALL COSTS. Those 3 words smack of RIGGING if necessary.

Freeno,i am observing the same,tough days ahead for the PPP,me thinks Guyana heading back to the rigging days,the PPP should have amended the the Electoral Laws,23 yrs all they did was patch work to the Constitution,Jagdeo and crew think they will never loose an Election.

Majority of Indo Guyanese will be "thrown under the bus" quote from another GINER.

Indo Guyanese should not blame Naga and Ramjattan,wrong tree they barking on,blame their Party Leadership.

I am observing the same, tough days ahead for the PPP, me thinks Guyana heading back to the rigging days.

Djangy buddy, instead of unleashing your wrath upon these riggers, deceitful, and shameless pigs, you take upon yourself just to make a mild comment referring to the "tough days ahead". Do you ever wonder why these guys refer to you as "slop can carrier for the PNC"? Please, rub the shame from your eyes before it's too late. You talk of the ills of the PPP, yet you do not see the ills of your masters.

Banna,why you hitting below the belt,FURTHER I AM NOT CONTROLLED BY ANY ONE.

Samjhe.

Blame Freedom House and read between the lines who are backing them.Politics is a dirty game,especially in the homeland,foreign forces are in control,it appears the PPP is not their favorite,that's my view.

Django
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Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Re: Granger's Merika speech. It's clear that PNCR Leader Granger is already pondering on the chances of his party winning the 2020 election. That is understandable.

All I want is that the election be free and fair with international and local independent observers.I have seen pro-coalition comments on social media insisting that Jagdeo/PPP must never be allowed to get power again AT ALL COSTS. Those 3 words smack of RIGGING if necessary.

Freeno,i am observing the same,tough days ahead for the PPP,me thinks Guyana heading back to the rigging days,the PPP should have amended the the Electoral Laws,23 yrs all they did was patch work to the Constitution,Jagdeo and crew think they will never loose an Election.

Majority of Indo Guyanese will be "thrown under the bus" quote from another GINER.

Indo Guyanese should not blame Naga and Ramjattan,wrong tree they barking on,blame their Party Leadership.

I am observing the same, tough days ahead for the PPP, me thinks Guyana heading back to the rigging days.

Djangy buddy, instead of unleashing your wrath upon these riggers, deceitful, and shameless pigs, you take upon yourself just to make a mild comment referring to the "tough days ahead". Do you ever wonder why these guys refer to you as "slop can carrier for the PNC"? Please, rub the shame from your eyes before it's too late. You talk of the ills of the PPP, yet you do not see the ills of your masters.

Banna,why you hitting below the belt,FURTHER I AM NOT CONTROLLED BY ANY ONE.

Samjhe.

Blame Freedom House and read between the lines who are backing them.Politics is a dirty game,especially in the homeland,foreign forces are in control,it appears the PPP is not their favorite,that's my view.

Same thing I said. You seem to thrive in blaming the PPP on the wrongdoings of your beloved PNC. And, Please don't give me this "independent" crap. I will be voting tomorrow in the local elections here. I have not seen an independent candidate that fits your characteristics.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
 

Banna,why you hitting below the belt,FURTHER I AM NOT CONTROLLED BY ANY ONE.

Samjhe.

Blame Freedom House and read between the lines who are backing them.Politics is a dirty game,especially in the homeland,foreign forces are in control,it appears the PPP is not their favorite,that's my view.

Same thing I said. You seem to thrive in blaming the PPP on the wrongdoings of your beloved PNC. And, Please don't give me this "independent" crap. I will be voting tomorrow in the local elections here. I have not seen an independent candidate that fits your characteristics.

Who should be blamed for "throwing Indo Guyanese under the bus" the PNC ?,use your brain a little.

Django
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Re: Granger's Merika speech. It's clear that PNCR Leader Granger is already pondering on the chances of his party winning the 2020 election. That is understandable.

All I want is that the election be free and fair with international and local independent observers.I have seen pro-coalition comments on social media insisting that Jagdeo/PPP must never be allowed to get power again AT ALL COSTS. Those 3 words smack of RIGGING if necessary.

Freeno,i am observing the same,tough days ahead for the PPP,me thinks Guyana heading back to the rigging days,the PPP should have amended the the Electoral Laws,23 yrs all they did was patch work to the Constitution,Jagdeo and crew think they will never loose an Election.

Majority of Indo Guyanese will be "thrown under the bus" quote from another GINER.

Indo Guyanese should not blame Naga and Ramjattan,wrong tree they barking on,blame their Party Leadership.

I am observing the same, tough days ahead for the PPP, me thinks Guyana heading back to the rigging days.

Djangy buddy, instead of unleashing your wrath upon these riggers, deceitful, and shameless pigs, you take upon yourself just to make a mild comment referring to the "tough days ahead". Do you ever wonder why these guys refer to you as "slop can carrier for the PNC"? Please, rub the shame from your eyes before it's too late. You talk of the ills of the PPP, yet you do not see the ills of your masters.

Banna,why you hitting below the belt,FURTHER I AM NOT CONTROLLED BY ANY ONE.

Samjhe.

Blame Freedom House and read between the lines who are backing them.Politics is a dirty game,especially in the homeland,foreign forces are in control,it appears the PPP is not their favorite,that's my view.

Django,

ABC countries are being diplomatic about their comments. The previous Ambassador crossed his limits and the PPP acted like a bunch of clowns by attacking him. They should have used the diplomatic channels and file their complaints with his superiors at Washington. They failed to act in accordance with Diplomatic norms.

ABC have not indicated that they have favourites, look at their comments, so far they have been carefully worded.

We cannot predict the outcome of the upcoming elections but it may appear as if Granger will walk the rigging path since he did do in the past including controversy at Congress Place where shots and all were fired amid allegations of Granger Rigging his own leadership race.

Read the posts of members who appeared to have supported the coalition in the past and their disappointment with Granger.

I am taking the wait and see approach since the opposition has started a very well crafted plan to combat and raise awareness of rigging which has put Granger on the defensive. In cricket, we say he is on the back foot right now.

On the PPP side, they need to act by next summer on the future of Jagdeo and his role as leader of the PPP. My honest opinion is that he should step down otherwise the PPP risks losing the next election.

As of now, he is doing an excellent job in combatting Granger and his appointment for GECOM head but there will have to reach a point when he steps aside honourably and allow for a young face to lead the PPP. My preference is for a leader of mixed descent to lead the PPP and move the country beyond this tit for tat race based politics in Guyana.

Our country has been hurt beyond repair with race based politics. Healing can start in 2020 with a young new leader be it PPP or PNC.

FM
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Django posted:

 

After Green was expelled from the PNC  in 1993 following a disciplinary hearing, he had taken with him several PNC members and supporters including Kwame Mc Coy, Juan Edghill, Odinga Lumumba, Basil Williams, Joseph Hamilton, Llewellyn John and Patricia Chase- Green to form the GGG and win a plurality of votes in the 1994 local government elections.

Mc Coy, Edghill, Lumumba and latterly Hamilton departed from the GGG and embraced the PPP, .

Notice how the most thuggish elements were embraced by the PPP.

Interesting that they wail about Burnham yet love the most heinous elements of his regime!

A few years ago Kwame was even praising Burnham and wailed how blacks had collapsed after his death.  He remains unrepentant for the crimes he no doubt committed in that era.

But this is the type of Afro Guyanese who the PPP loves.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:

Why did the writer say: "President David Granger inveighed "? I always thought Granger was cool. 

Granger deceived thousands, bhai. In 2015 he made an impression that has not stood up. We have to blame ourselves for being gullible. Gilly was gullible too.

After stupid Nagamootoo told you all "don't worry I gun control dem blackman.  If dey don't do as I say I gun bruk up de government".  Granger right there smiling with a knowing look.

BEFORE the election I said that this was a bad move on the part of Nagamootoo as this was going to alarm blacks that Indians still planned to remain in control.   I was told by Kari and others that I don't know black people, and that they love to be under Indo domination, so wouldn't mind these comments.

Here is the issue.  If you join up with people you need to understand them.  I don't think that you or the rest of the AFC Indo faction understood blacks, even the AFC Afro faction.  From the time Trotman ran into the Ministry of the Presidency I knew that the writing was on the wall.  When I saw who the AFC ministers and MPs were this was confirmed.

Please understand that most non Indians in Guyana see Indians as being a clannish and self centered group who think that they are superior to the rest of the population.  When you understand these facts then you will learn how to operate.  Caribj told you this but all of you screamed that I am a racist!

So why the wails now that things have proceeded exactly as I predicted that they would.   The next shoe dropping will be 2020 and how people will react as they see all the Indos running back to sit at the feet of Jagdeo!.

There is an Afro narrative which is as valid as the Indo narrative. Until we listen to each other (and evidence is that some Afros listen to Indos, but almost no Indos listen to Afros) we have nowhere to go.

FM
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yuji22 posted:
appears the PPP is not their favorite,that's my view.

Django,

ABC countries are being diplomatic about their comments.

1.  The PPP needs to understand that they lost the 2015 election for the same reason that the PNC lost in 1992.  The people were tired of them.  They voted AGAINST them.  The people SPOKE!

2. To imply that the ABC nations determined the outcome of the elections is to imply that they rigged the elections.  They did NOT.

3.  I doubt that Guyana receives the high caliber diplomatic representation that even Jamaica, T&T or the DR might as we are of no importance in the Americas.  The Cold War is over.

4. Regardless as to whether the PPP or the PNC win the oil companies will get what they want as both the PPP and the PNC will hang their tongues like hungry mongrels, eager to sell out Guyana for a few morsels of cash.

5.  This isn't about Jagan, a card carrying communist and Burnham an opportunist who could have been wooed by capitalist elements, at least until 1970.  There is no ideological difference between the PPP and the PNC so neither pose a threat to global capitalist interests as they seek to control Guyana.

FM
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warrior posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

The Indian attitude towards politics have to change in order to see major concessions from their adversaries. Looking at politics as boring, evil, and produces nothing positive is a major hindrance to progress and change. They must be made to see political struggle as a way to build a better life for all. Being for yourself and praying god are all fine, but they must learn the importance and benefits of sacrifice.

who sacrifice the ppp bigwigs sure i see their struggle when i look at pradoville 1&2

Plus over 200 hundred housing schemes for low income families.  Just check with the banks to see how many people have been able to find that dream of home ownership that was never possible under PNC rule from 1964 to 1992.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Nehru posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

The Indian attitude towards politics have to change in order to see major concessions from their adversaries. Looking at politics as boring, evil, and produces nothing positive is a major hindrance to progress and change. They must be made to see political struggle as a way to build a better life for all. Being for yourself and praying god are all fine, but they must learn the importance and benefits of sacrifice.

Billy, I hope and pray that you are not suggesting that the PNC is verse in the art of Sacrifice and possess the graet attitudes and actions!!!!

As evil as they are they know how to organize and fight. Indians have to adopt a strategy to counter.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Nehru posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

The Indian attitude towards politics have to change in order to see major concessions from their adversaries. Looking at politics as boring, evil, and produces nothing positive is a major hindrance to progress and change. They must be made to see political struggle as a way to build a better life for all. Being for yourself and praying god are all fine, but they must learn the importance and benefits of sacrifice.

Billy, I hope and pray that you are not suggesting that the PNC is verse in the art of Sacrifice and possess the graet attitudes and actions!!!!

As evil as they are they know how to organize and fight. Indians have to adopt a strategy to counter.

they will burn cane field

 

FM
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:
appears the PPP is not their favorite,that's my view.

Django,

ABC countries are being diplomatic about their comments.

1.  The PPP needs to understand that they lost the 2015 election for the same reason that the PNC lost in 1992.  The people were tired of them.  They voted AGAINST them.  The people SPOKE!

2. To imply that the ABC nations determined the outcome of the elections is to imply that they rigged the elections.  They did NOT.

3.  I doubt that Guyana receives the high caliber diplomatic representation that even Jamaica, T&T or the DR might as we are of no importance in the Americas.  The Cold War is over.

4. Regardless as to whether the PPP or the PNC win the oil companies will get what they want as both the PPP and the PNC will hang their tongues like hungry mongrels, eager to sell out Guyana for a few morsels of cash.

5.  This isn't about Jagan, a card carrying communist and Burnham an opportunist who could have been wooed by capitalist elements, at least until 1970.  There is no ideological difference between the PPP and the PNC so neither pose a threat to global capitalist interests as they seek to control Guyana.

Aside from all of this talk about the politics of the PPP and PNC you still support the current government's efforts on controlling GECOM with the intention of rigging the 2020 elections. 

Billy Ram Balgobin
warrior posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Nehru posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

The Indian attitude towards politics have to change in order to see major concessions from their adversaries. Looking at politics as boring, evil, and produces nothing positive is a major hindrance to progress and change. They must be made to see political struggle as a way to build a better life for all. Being for yourself and praying god are all fine, but they must learn the importance and benefits of sacrifice.

Billy, I hope and pray that you are not suggesting that the PNC is verse in the art of Sacrifice and possess the graet attitudes and actions!!!!

As evil as they are they know how to organize and fight. Indians have to adopt a strategy to counter.

they will burn cane field

 

That's very arrogant and racist of you to play on such stereotypes of a people who have contributed to the building of Guyana in every way. 

Billy Ram Balgobin
Nehru posted:

Billy, well to try and sound/look balance and Fair RACISTS always get blinded by their own ignorance, racism and illiteracy!!!

why you fools crying its the ppp  at fault for 23 yrs they use and abuse the Constitution they never try to fix it  

FM
warrior posted:
Nehru posted:

Billy, well to try and sound/look balance and Fair RACISTS always get blinded by their own ignorance, racism and illiteracy!!!

why you fools crying its the ppp  at fault for 23 yrs they use and abuse the Constitution they never try to fix it  

Bhai,the PPP doan want it fixed,baby kong love the way it is.

Django

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