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Hotel operators and businesses in general have to come up with ways of operating more efficiently to attract customers and eke out a profit at the same time. We have to put our financial and technical skills to work to maximize efficiency. When you charge a customer $25 for a roti with choka and you are telling the guest to go cook it yourself. It's absolutely outrageous to see how much these people charge of local foods. They can lessen their prices and quadruple their sales.

Billy Ram Balgobin

Those people are not tourists. They are not coming to Guyana to travel the country and spend money. What you are thinking of is a safe place to sleep where their family ain't going to rob them and rifle through their belongings. But do you think those kind of visitors would be staying in a hotel in Georgetown. Most people travel far away from Georgetown when they come to visit family. And they don't walk with much money since the family they go and visit want every cent they brought with them. Tourists are of a different breed. Strangers in a strange land. And we don't get many of those.

Mr.T
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Would you pay $US10 for a small serving of crinkled fries that you would find in cheap Chinese restaurant in Brooklyn??? That's what they do at Buddy's Hotel. It's ridiculous.

Hotel food is generally very expensive and rarely that tasty compared to the restaurant next door. I once binned a U$30 breakfast at a five star hotel in London and crossed the road to the MacDonalds for a burger.

Mr.T
Mr.T posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Would you pay $US10 for a small serving of crinkled fries that you would find in cheap Chinese restaurant in Brooklyn??? That's what they do at Buddy's Hotel. It's ridiculous.

Hotel food is generally very expensive and rarely that tasty compared to the restaurant next door. I once binned a U$30 breakfast at a five star hotel in London and crossed the road to the MacDonalds for a burger.

You left a lot of change at the five star hotel. They know a packoo when they see one.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Mr.T posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Would you pay $US10 for a small serving of crinkled fries that you would find in cheap Chinese restaurant in Brooklyn??? That's what they do at Buddy's Hotel. It's ridiculous.

Hotel food is generally very expensive and rarely that tasty compared to the restaurant next door. I once binned a U$30 breakfast at a five star hotel in London and crossed the road to the MacDonalds for a burger.

You left a lot of change at the five star hotel. They know a packoo when they see one.

Now now Skeldon banna, why would you say something that dumb?

cain
TK posted:
Stormborn posted:
TK posted:

LOL! Balahoo Brahmin...you're not going to stay at Marriott to help out?

I take offense to the use of balahoo since a balahoo needs some expertise to operate Brahamins do not. They simply need to believe a lie.

I am sorry about that. It does take a lot of skills to use a balahoo. I will find another word to describe our resident high caste Brahmin

"baboo" will do.

FM

The idea to bring a 5 star hotel to Guyana was contingent on a thriving economy. Now that the AFC/APNU came in and run down the economy, no wonder the Mariott is operating at a loss. Now these fools are so confused they don't know what to do to mange the economy. They want to revert to the low class Pegasus and govern in a hunker down manner. 

FM
Drugb posted:

The idea to bring a 5 star hotel to Guyana was contingent on a thriving economy. Now that the AFC/APNU came in and run down the economy, no wonder the Mariott is operating at a loss. Now these fools are so confused they don't know what to do to mange the economy. They want to revert to the low class Pegasus and govern in a hunker down manner. 

u mean a cocaine economy 

FM
Drugb posted:

The idea to bring a 5 star hotel to Guyana was contingent on a thriving economy. Now that the AFC/APNU came in and run down the economy, no wonder the Mariott is operating at a loss. Now these fools are so confused they don't know what to do to mange the economy. They want to revert to the low class Pegasus and govern in a hunker down manner. 

The cost of airfare to Guyana way too high, for what you pay ,you can go to Cuba all inclusive for one week. There are too many Hotels, Motels, Bed and Breakfast and Rooming Houses in Guyana competing for a very small pie, Guyana needs  it's own Airline, with direct flights from USA and Canada, My Guyanese buddy Ronald Reece did asked for his airline to carry Guyana's flag, but they prefer Caribbean Airlines. Those Trini screw Guyanese good and prapa.

K
Drugb posted:

The idea to bring a 5 star hotel to Guyana was contingent on a thriving economy. Now that the AFC/APNU came in and run down the economy, no wonder the Mariott is operating at a loss. Now these fools are so confused they don't know what to do to mange the economy. They want to revert to the low class Pegasus and govern in a hunker down manner. 

Accurate.

These AFC/PNC fools want Guyanese to stay at filthy and cockroach infested hotels owned by Friends and Family of the AFC/PNC.

FM

The private sector should not be suppressed by the gov't. and forced into making decisions that serves the interest of the state.  Let the private sector have more freedom to do their business within the boundaries of the law.  Too much gov't. interference leads to a loss in confidence and consequently and a decrease in investments

Billy Ram Balgobin
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Drugb posted:

The idea to bring a 5 star hotel to Guyana was contingent on a thriving economy. Now that the AFC/APNU came in and run down the economy, no wonder the Mariott is operating at a loss. Now these fools are so confused they don't know what to do to mange the economy. They want to revert to the low class Pegasus and govern in a hunker down manner. 

Babbling from your drug high as usual?  Who visits Guyana?  Overseas Guyanese, and almost no one else.  The few business people arrive with the notion that Guyana is some kind of weird frontier type country, akin to Burma or Guinea, so will not base their decision on whether it is a 5  star or no.  In any case I bet that Bharriott will rank as a 3 star in most places.

FM
kp posted:
Drugb posted:

The idea to bring a 5 star hotel to Guyana was contingent on a thriving economy. Now that the AFC/APNU came in and run down the economy, no wonder the Mariott is operating at a loss. Now these fools are so confused they don't know what to do to mange the economy. They want to revert to the low class Pegasus and govern in a hunker down manner. 

The cost of airfare to Guyana way too high, for what you pay ,you can go to Cuba all inclusive for one week. There are too many Hotels, Motels, Bed and Breakfast and Rooming Houses in Guyana competing for a very small pie, Guyana needs  it's own Airline, with direct flights from USA and Canada, My Guyanese buddy Ronald Reece did asked for his airline to carry Guyana's flag, but they prefer Caribbean Airlines. Those Trini screw Guyanese good and prapa.

Show me a Caribbean country with a strong tourist industry, and I will show you one with no national airline.  Virtually 100% of the US tourists to Jamaica and the DR arrive on US carriers.  CA and Fly Jam fly less than 15% of the visitors to Jamaica from the USA, almost all Jamaicans.

FM
yuji22 posted:
Drugb posted:

The idea to bring a 5 star hotel to Guyana was contingent on a thriving economy. Now that the AFC/APNU came in and run down the economy, no wonder the Mariott is operating at a loss. Now these fools are so confused they don't know what to do to mange the economy. They want to revert to the low class Pegasus and govern in a hunker down manner. 

Accurate.

These AFC/PNC fools want Guyanese to stay at filthy and cockroach infested hotels owned by Friends and Family of the AFC/PNC.

I remember the Indo KKK, especially druggie, screaming that Buddys would attract thousands of tourists to its "5 star."  Reviews indicated that it was a virtual brothel, inclusive of roaches and prostitutes.

 

It is clear that these cretins know nothing about tourism.

 

FM

Gov’t launched Marriott project without feasibility study – audit report

By Staff Writer On December 15, 2015 @ 5:22 am In Local News

The audit report into the Marriott Hotel says that the PPP/C government embarked on the project without a feasibility study.

Whether the major project was embarked upon after a feasibility study had been a source of contention for many years with government holding company NICIL and the special purpose company overseeing the project, Atlantic Hotel Inc (AHI) insisting that there had been one.

However, the forensic audit and review of the construction and operations of the Guyana Marriott Hotel done by auditor Anand Goolsarran strongly disagrees.

In his October 27 report, Goolsarran set out the sequence of events to establish his argument and the various comments by AHI.

He said that a review of the Marriott Hotel’s files at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) revealed that controversial New York firm ADUA had applied for an Environmental Authorisation on 19 February 2008 for a project entitled “Georgetown, Marriott Hotel & Casino Complex.” The technical person named in the application was Shyam Nokta (Environmental Management Consultants) who assisted in the filling of the application and who was also involved in the preparation of the Environmental and Social Impact Assessment (ESIA) Study.

Goolsarran said that by advertisement in the Kaieteur News on 24 May 2009, the Government of Guyana sought expressions of interest from investors to be part of a joint venture with the government for a hotel project development at the existing site of the Marriott Hotel. The advertisement stated that the minimum capital investment was US$20 million for the proposed hotel with a minimum number of rooms of 150, and that construction was expected to begin in September 2009. AHI stated that in the first half of 2009, responses were received from ADUA and BK International. ADUA had however earlier withdrawn as the developer of the project because of difficulties being experienced.

AHI commented in the audit report that the Government had already “initiated and completed the investment for and relocation of the sewerage pipes to provide an unencumbered site. Amendments to the Gambling Prevention Act were also effected in anticipation of this project via January 2007 amendments. Following the inability of ADUA to proceed, GOG took a decision to publicly advertise for a JV [Joint Venture] for the development of the project on the basis of the considerable preparatory work done by all parties to advance the project.”

Goolsarran noted that AHI was incorporated on 3 September 2009 with the purpose of “building and operating a minimum of a 150-room hotel (revised in 2010 to 197 rooms) and an entertainment complex (including a casino, nightclub and restaurant).”

On 6 October 2009, Cabinet by CP (2009)10:1:R approved of the Government of Guyana entering into a design and branding contract with ADUA in the sum of US$2.1 million, “with the permissible exemption of all taxes as provided for in law.” There was, however, no public advertisement for the works to be undertaken but AHI Chairman Winston Brassington explained that the firm was selected based on its previous interest in the project.

AHI commented in the report that that Cabinet’s approval was “based on the response from all the parties showing an interest in developing the project and seeking to identify a party that could assist in advancing the project. The ADUA contract was not a tax exempted contract and contained a condition of ensuring that the Marriott brand was secured, which was a necessary prior condition for effecting a design that would meet Marriott requirements.”

In correspondence dated 19 February 2010 addressed to the EPA, under the heading “Status of the Marriott Hotel, Casino & Entertainment Complex,” Goolsarran said, Brassington informed the EPA that the project was now under the purview of AHI. In a separate correspondence, he also asked the EPA to substitute AHI for ADUA in the application for Environmental Authorisation and in the conduct of the ESAI study. Nokta was retained to finalise the ESAI study.

On 23 April 2010, Goolsarran said, Marriott International executed four agreements with AHI, represented by Brassington. These were: (i) Technical Services; (ii) Management; (iii) Licence and Royalty; and (iv) International Services. Goolsarran said that three months earlier, Marriott International Inc had prepared a “Market Study and Estimates of Future Operating Performance for a 160-room Marriott Hotel Georgetown, Guyana.” In addition, the land on which the hotel was to be erected was vested in NICIL by Vesting Order 61 of 2010 dated 23 November 2010 and signed by former minister of finance, Dr Ashni Singh.

AHI commented in the report that: (a) the agreements followed from a Letter of Intent executed in November 2009 and were also the result of the ability of both ADUA and the Government of Guyana to persuade the Marriott organization to commit to operating a full Marriott hotel in Guyana; and (b) earlier discussions with ADUA were based on a Courtyard similar to Suriname or Trinidad.

Goolsarran said that during the period June-July 2010, requests for Expressions of Interest from qualified contractors were publicly advertised for the construction of the Marriott Hotel, including the entertainment complex. A total of 23 firms showed interest of which seven firms were shortlisted. The contract was awarded in the sum of US$50.918 million to SCG International (Trinidad and Tobago) Ltd, a subsidiary of Shanghai Construction Group, on 16 November 2011. Construction then began following the turning of the sod ceremony on 20 November 2011.

AHI commented in the report that “While the contract was executed on 16 November 2011; SCG and NICIL (on behalf of AHI and GoG) were engaged in discussions to finalise the agreement since June 2011 following the close of tenders. The contract effectiveness was not until March of 2012; the start of the project was delayed due to SCG taking a decision to implement using personnel from SCG headquarters and not Trinidad. It was recognized that the project was high profiled.”

Goolsarran said that from the above sequence of events, “It is evident that the decision by the Government to proceed with the construction of the Marriott Hotel preceded any feasibility study and was made without the benefit of an informed review of the results of such a study. There was therefore no economically sound basis for Cabinet’s decision at the time to proceed with the project, and any subsequent study must be viewed with some degree of caution.”

He said AHI commented that it disagreed with the above conclusion and insisted that prior to the execution of the construction contract a number of feasibility studies had been executed, namely: (a) ADUA study in 2006; (b) the Marriott study in 2010; (c) Marriott updated study in 2011; (d) HVS study in 2010; (e) HVS updated study of 2012; and (f) a Republic Bank study in connection with a US$27 million loan to the project.

However, Goolsarran argues that his conclusion refers to the government’s decision to take over the project from ADUA and to proceed with the construction of the hotel without the benefit of a feasibility study. Except for the AUDA study of 2006, he said that the other studies to which AHI referred were undertaken post the government’s decision.

“Besides, ADUA study was carried out some three years [prior] and would have been overtaken by not only time but also events that took place in the intervening period, for example, the global financial crisis of 2008. In addition, except for the HVS updated study, the other studies were not undertaken at the behest of the government,” Goolsarran said. The ADUA study had also pertained to a Courtyard-type hotel which is of a lower ranking than Marriott.

Goolsarran said Brassington had earlier insisted that ADUA had carried out a feasibility study sometime in 2004 (and not 2006, as stated in AHI’s response) and that the study was supported by those of Marriott International in January 2010 and HVS in October 2010 and May 2012.

“When asked for a copy of ADUA’s feasibility report, Mr Brassington stated that he did not have one and that the information was proprietary to that organization for which neither the government nor NICIL were partners,” Goolsarran reported.

He said Brassington further insisted that “at January 2010, no contract or decision to construct was even contemplated and that the feasibilities and pro-formas were done prior to tenders.” Goolsarran said that one could therefore legitimately ask the following questions:

 

* Why was AHI then formed in September 2009 as “the firm that will be the public/private partnership that will own the project?”

 

* Why, upon taking over the project from ADUA, did AHI not cancel the application for an Environment Permit and the ESIA Study for the “Georgetown, Marriott Hotel & Casino Complex” rather than requesting the EPA to transfer them to AHI? and

 

* Why did the preparation of the site (removal of the sewage system, dismantling of the Luckhoo Swimming Pool, and the relocation of the Food & Drugs Department and the office of the Guyana Water Authority) begin before January 2010?

Goolsarran said that in relation to the third question, Brassington acknowledged that the preparation of the site commenced before 2010 “as part of the overall efforts to make the site ready for ADUA’s construction phase/work plan.” However, an examination of NICIL’s audited accounts shows that no expenditure was incurred in the preparation of the site during the period 2004 (the year in which ADUA signed the MOU with the Government) through 2008. It was only in 2009 that the first set of expenditure amounting to $38.161 million was registered under the code name “Scarlett Pool”. For the period 2009 to 31 May 2015, amounts totalling $519.199 billion, equivalent to US$2.533 million (at an average exchange rate of US$1= $205) were spent on the Marriott Hotel project under the code name “Scarlett Pool”. Goolsarran asserted that this amount was improperly charged to the expenditure of NICIL, instead of AHI.

Goolsarran said that in January 2010, Marriott International Inc prepared a “Market Study and Estimates of Future Operating Performance for a 160-room Marriott Hotel Georgetown, Guyana”. Asked on what basis the study was undertaken, Goolsarran said, Brassington stated that: (a) this was an internal document that Marriott International relies on to determine whether it would want to be affiliated with a project; and (b) no other international hotel brand was considered because in 2004 ADUA had introduced Marriott International to the Government of Guyana. However, Goolsarran said that the introductory paragraph of the report on the study stated that the report was prepared “solely for the use of Atlantic Hotel, Inc, in examining the feasibility of the proposed Hotel.”

Goolsarran, a former Auditor General, said that the report referred to major initiatives that were being planned or were at feasibility stages. These included: (a) oil and gas exploration; (b) a deep-water port in Berbice; (c) at least one hydroelectric power plant; (d) the fibre optic cable from Brazil; (e) new land-based route between Brazil to the Atlantic coast via Guyana; (f) road from Brazil to Georgetown; and (g) the new Airport Expansion Project. The report said that “it is clear that Guyana is benefiting from increased interest internationally that should help accelerate economic growth.” Goolsarran commented that Marriott International’s assessment of the project, particularly as regards occupancy rates, might have been influenced by these considerations and did not take into account other scenarios, such as: What if these initiatives do not materialize, or are materialized partially? Several of these initiatives have since not materialized and may be years away from such.

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Guyana is a like a donkey cart with two drivers fighting to drive it. One is the PPP and the other is the PNC. Imagine if these two drivers are given a tractor trailer to drive what would happen? They would mistakenly throw it into reverse gear and end up in a trench. Thank god the dankey cart, slow as it is, does not go in reverse.

Guyana needs an international hotel that has name recognition so that foreigners are comfortable with the standards.  Trinidad has Hyatt, Radisson, Hilton, etc.  All the other nearby countries have hotels of this caliber. I have not seen the balance sheets of the Marriott but I see a certain caliber of people staying there.  There 9th floor has people who actually live here.  They look like diplomats and business people.  Same set of people come down for breakfast every morning.  And the breakfast is NOT Guyanese.  Every morning they have one or two Guyanese dishes among the spread.  But the breakfast is typical North American - eggs, toast, cereal, juice, etc. 

Bibi Haniffa
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Bibi Haniffa posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Guyana is a like a donkey cart with two drivers fighting to drive it. One is the PPP and the other is the PNC. Imagine if these two drivers are given a tractor trailer to drive what would happen? They would mistakenly throw it into reverse gear and end up in a trench. Thank god the dankey cart, slow as it is, does not go in reverse.

Guyana needs an international hotel that has name recognition so that foreigners are comfortable with the standards.  Trinidad has Hyatt, Radisson, Hilton, etc.  All the other nearby countries have hotels of this caliber. I have not seen the balance sheets of the Marriott but I see a certain caliber of people staying there.  There 9th floor has people who actually live here.  They look like diplomats and business people.  Same set of people come down for breakfast every morning.  And the breakfast is NOT Guyanese.  Every morning they have one or two Guyanese dishes among the spread.  But the breakfast is typical North American - eggs, toast, cereal, juice, etc. 

You quoting Brassy that's exactly was his words in an interview,yeah build a brand name hotel with taxpayers money and then flip it,turns out it has to be subsidized like other gov't corp,where does the money come from???

Django
Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Guyana is a like a donkey cart with two drivers fighting to drive it. One is the PPP and the other is the PNC. Imagine if these two drivers are given a tractor trailer to drive what would happen? They would mistakenly throw it into reverse gear and end up in a trench. Thank god the dankey cart, slow as it is, does not go in reverse.

Guyana needs an international hotel that has name recognition so that foreigners are comfortable with the standards.  Trinidad has Hyatt, Radisson, Hilton, etc.  All the other nearby countries have hotels of this caliber. I have not seen the balance sheets of the Marriott but I see a certain caliber of people staying there.  There 9th floor has people who actually live here.  They look like diplomats and business people.  Same set of people come down for breakfast every morning.  And the breakfast is NOT Guyanese.  Every morning they have one or two Guyanese dishes among the spread.  But the breakfast is typical North American - eggs, toast, cereal, juice, etc. 

You quoting Brassy that's exactly was his words in an interview,yeah build a brand name hotel with taxpayers money and then flip it,turns out it has to be subsidized like other gov't corp,where does the money come from???

Same place where the Ministers salary increase came from and where the sport money for upcoming Mashramani and Independence celebrations will be coming from.

Bibi Haniffa
caribny posted:
kp posted:
Drugb posted:

The idea to bring a 5 star hotel to Guyana was contingent on a thriving economy. Now that the AFC/APNU came in and run down the economy, no wonder the Mariott is operating at a loss. Now these fools are so confused they don't know what to do to mange the economy. They want to revert to the low class Pegasus and govern in a hunker down manner. 

The cost of airfare to Guyana way too high, for what you pay ,you can go to Cuba all inclusive for one week. There are too many Hotels, Motels, Bed and Breakfast and Rooming Houses in Guyana competing for a very small pie, Guyana needs  it's own Airline, with direct flights from USA and Canada, My Guyanese buddy Ronald Reece did asked for his airline to carry Guyana's flag, but they prefer Caribbean Airlines. Those Trini screw Guyanese good and prapa.

Show me a Caribbean country with a strong tourist industry, and I will show you one with no national airline.  Virtually 100% of the US tourists to Jamaica and the DR arrive on US carriers.  CA and Fly Jam fly less than 15% of the visitors to Jamaica from the USA, almost all Jamaicans.

I will show you, Mexico, Cuba, Jamaica, Trinidad, Brazil, UK, France, etc. A Trini pays $399.00 Cda return, that is 5 hours flight, to Guyana from Canada pays $899.00 Cda return, that is $500.00 extra for one hour flight, why that has to be . Guyana needs a National carrier with direct flights. With the low cost of fuel the prices are still very high, if there is a strong competition the prices will drop and thus encourage increase tourism.

K
kp posted:
caribny posted:
kp posted:
Drugb posted:

The idea to bring a 5 star hotel to Guyana was contingent on a thriving economy. Now that the AFC/APNU came in and run down the economy, no wonder the Mariott is operating at a loss. Now these fools are so confused they don't know what to do to mange the economy. They want to revert to the low class Pegasus and govern in a hunker down manner. 

The cost of airfare to Guyana way too high, for what you pay ,you can go to Cuba all inclusive for one week. There are too many Hotels, Motels, Bed and Breakfast and Rooming Houses in Guyana competing for a very small pie, Guyana needs  it's own Airline, with direct flights from USA and Canada, My Guyanese buddy Ronald Reece did asked for his airline to carry Guyana's flag, but they prefer Caribbean Airlines. Those Trini screw Guyanese good and prapa.

Show me a Caribbean country with a strong tourist industry, and I will show you one with no national airline.  Virtually 100% of the US tourists to Jamaica and the DR arrive on US carriers.  CA and Fly Jam fly less than 15% of the visitors to Jamaica from the USA, almost all Jamaicans.

I will show you, Mexico, Cuba, Jamaica, Trinidad, Brazil, UK, France, etc. A Trini pays $399.00 Cda return, that is 5 hours flight, to Guyana from Canada pays $899.00 Cda return, that is $500.00 extra for one hour flight, why that has to be . Guyana needs a National carrier with direct flights. With the low cost of fuel the prices are still very high, if there is a strong competition the prices will drop and thus encourage increase tourism.

i though u was a adviser to the ppp for 23 yrs and now u know this

FM
Drugb posted:

The idea to bring a 5 star hotel to Guyana was contingent on a thriving economy. Now that the AFC/APNU came in and run down the economy, no wonder the Mariott is operating at a loss. Now these fools are so confused they don't know what to do to mange the economy. They want to revert to the low class Pegasus and govern in a hunker down manner. 

These comics in gov't. are experienced at running Knowledge Sharing Institutes and Co-operatives farms. A 5 star hotel is way beyond their vision.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Mitwah posted:
kp posted:
 Guyana needs a National carrier with direct flights. With the low cost of fuel the prices are still very high, if there is a strong competition the prices will drop and thus encourage increase tourism.

I wonder why the PPP/C did not see your wisdom?

Former president Ramotar explained that to attract more airlines to Guyana carriers like Jet Blue wants an airport of international standards. CBJ cannot attract major airlines if they don't meet certain standards.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Guyana is a like a donkey cart with two drivers fighting to drive it. One is the PPP and the other is the PNC. Imagine if these two drivers are given a tractor trailer to drive what would happen? They would mistakenly throw it into reverse gear and end up in a trench. Thank god the dankey cart, slow as it is, does not go in reverse.

Guyana needs an international hotel that has name recognition so that foreigners are comfortable with the standards.  Trinidad has Hyatt, Radisson, Hilton, etc.  All the other nearby countries have hotels of this caliber. I have not seen the balance sheets of the Marriott but I see a certain caliber of people staying there.  There 9th floor has people who actually live here.  They look like diplomats and business people.  Same set of people come down for breakfast every morning.  And the breakfast is NOT Guyanese.  Every morning they have one or two Guyanese dishes among the spread.  But the breakfast is typical North American - eggs, toast, cereal, juice, etc. 

Trinidad is a major business center in the Eastern Caribbean, and has ample convention business.   Guyana lacks this.

Still to see of what relevance the Marriott is when the tourist potential of Guyana exists in the interior, which is all but inaccessible to most tourists visiting Guyana.

This is another PPP vanity project, just like Buddy's, which we were also told would hugely transform Guyana.

 

 

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Caribj, the man with an Ivy league education would first like to see tourists flocking to the Magnificent Province before any investments in quality hotels are made. It's like digging the laterine when you want to dump. That's very Guyanese for many of us. Keep it up Caribj. Guyana moving forward with this strategy.

Why will tourists flock to the Marriott? Do you really think that tourists select a destination based only on the hotel. Even those on the Marriott loyalty programs will look FIRST at the destination, THEN they will select which hotel to stay at.

Eagerly awaiting your response.

 

Please note that no private investors have appeared yet. Maybe they know that the project is a waste!

 

 

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Mitwah posted:
kp posted:
 Guyana needs a National carrier with direct flights. With the low cost of fuel the prices are still very high, if there is a strong competition the prices will drop and thus encourage increase tourism.

I wonder why the PPP/C did not see your wisdom?

Former president Ramotar explained that to attract more airlines to Guyana carriers like Jet Blue wants an airport of international standards. CBJ cannot attract major airlines if they don't meet certain standards.

Jetblue flies to Grenada which has a terminal building which is WORSE than that of Guyana.

JetBlue flies to St Maarten and REFUSES to use the jetways available there.  Please don't show your ignorance by screaming that a white elephant terminal building with eight jetways makes a difference. What GEO needs is a longer runway, and construction of this is occurring as we speak.

Neither APNU nor the AFC had any issue with the runway. Its a white elephant terminal building which they objected to.

FM
caribny posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Caribj, the man with an Ivy league education would first like to see tourists flocking to the Magnificent Province before any investments in quality hotels are made. It's like digging the laterine when you want to dump. That's very Guyanese for many of us. Keep it up Caribj. Guyana moving forward with this strategy.

Why will tourists flock to the Marriott? Do you really think that tourists select a destination based only on the hotel. Even those on the Marriott loyalty programs will look FIRST at the destination, THEN they will select which hotel to stay at.

Eagerly awaiting your response.

 

Please note that no private investors have appeared yet. Maybe they know that the project is a waste!

 

 

If you look at the trend over the last decade you will see that the number of tourists going to Guyana has been on the increase. Tourists visiting Guyana always complain about the standards at Peg and Tower and the high costs of rooms at these hotels. Gov't. saw the need for competition and standard and decided to invest in the Marriot. It is important to have an a name brand hotel like the Marriot. Tourists have confidence in the name and expect standards to be just as good or near as good as they are in other countries. People traveling to any destination in the world look carefully at hotels. Recently, our famous waterfalls was rated of the Fifty places to see before you die. More and more people are expressing interests in visiting Guyana. We must be prepared to accommodate foreign tourists even if it means a loss in the beginning. In the long term this investment will bear fruit. Let's not be shortsighted.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
caribny posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Caribj, the man with an Ivy league education would first like to see tourists flocking to the Magnificent Province before any investments in quality hotels are made. It's like digging the laterine when you want to dump. That's very Guyanese for many of us. Keep it up Caribj. Guyana moving forward with this strategy.

Why will tourists flock to the Marriott? Do you really think that tourists select a destination based only on the hotel. Even those on the Marriott loyalty programs will look FIRST at the destination, THEN they will select which hotel to stay at.

Eagerly awaiting your response.

 

Please note that no private investors have appeared yet. Maybe they know that the project is a waste!

 

 

If you look at the trend over the last decade you will see that the number of tourists going to Guyana has been on the increase. Tourists visiting Guyana always complain about the standards at Peg and Tower and the high costs of rooms at these hotels. Gov't. saw the need for competition and standard and decided to invest in the Marriot. It is important to have an a name brand hotel like the Marriot. Tourists have confidence in the name and expect standards to be just as good or near as good as they are in other countries. People traveling to any destination in the world look carefully at hotels. Recently, our famous waterfalls was rated of the Fifty places to see before you die. More and more people are expressing interests in visiting Guyana. We must be prepared to accommodate foreign tourists even if it means a loss in the beginning. In the long term this investment will bear fruit. Let's not be shortsighted.

The "tourists" going to Guyana are people like you. Most go to see their relatives, or to take care of personal business. The existence or absence of Bharriott will have no relevance to whether they go to Guyana or not.  The hotels in G/town are 50% empty, so clearly there are more rooms in that city than there are people to fill them.

I am willing to bet that only show off overseas Guyanese will stay at the Marriott.  Most staying with their relatives, or in the numerous other facilities which exist.

The PPP also set up Buddy's and folks like you screamed the same nonsense that you do now. Legions of gamblers from the entire world were to descend on Guyana! Did Buddy's change anything?  No! In fact it, and its successor Princess, were ranked among the worst.

So yes Guyana's interior is becoming more known, but we aren't getting TRUE tourists, because arranging a trip to Guyana remains a total hassle.

So again, of what use is the Marriott, and shouldn't emphasis instead be on improving accommodations in the interior and making these areas more accessible. 

Many would love the overland trip from G/town to Lethem, given the tremendous variety of terrain.  Having true eco lodges in the northern Rupununi, near Iworkrama might make sense.  This is where gov't investment is needed, because these ventures will be too risky for a private investor.

 

So stop babbling like the Indo KKK idiot that you are. If the Marriott was a Granger idea you would be pouring cold water on it.

 

 

 

 

FM

In fact I even compared tours to Guyana and Suriname organized by Wilderness Tours, the only entity which seriously markets Guyana.

Suriname had more to offer, and yet was cheaper.   This because they have a more organized eco/adventure product, so get larger volumes of eco/adventure visitors, and so are able to reduce their prices due to economies of scale.

In the NYT there was an article written about Guyana several years back. Consensus was that Guyana attracts fewer than 10k eco/adventure visitors, while Suriname attracts 5X that.  Guyana's tourism is poorly organized and extremely expensive, and so CANNOT compete with Suriname, Brazil, Costa Rica, Belize, Panama, or increasingly Nicaragua.

People want to go online, set up their tours, cost it, and then go, with the assurance that all will go as promised.

A tourist will book a trip to Kaieteur, arrive in Guyana and be told that the trip is canceled, because there aren't enough people. So rather than spending 4 days in the interior, they spend 5 in G/town and just do day time trips to the interior. Note that the 5days in G/town were spent trying to arrange the interior trips.  FRUSTRATING!

Guyana isn't ready and building a 3 star hotel, and calling it 5 star isn't the way to go. Describing Marriott as a 5 star chain is a JOKE!  In any case Guyanese, lacking exposure to high end tourism, do NOT know how to deliver 5 star service, and eggs, bacon and toast isn't it! 

5 star is PAMPERING. People who want pampering do NOT go to Guyana.

 

The few eco adventure tourists that Guyana currently gets are the back pack types who will stay in some guest house on Robb Street, because that is all that they can afford.  They are the only ones who will accept the unreliability, and lack of professionalism evident in the eco adventure sector in Guyana.

FM
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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Caribj, the man with an Ivy league education would first like to see tourists flocking to the Magnificent Province before any investments in quality hotels are made. It's like digging the laterine when you want to dump. That's very Guyanese for many of us. Keep it up Caribj. Guyana moving forward with this strategy.

Harvard or Yale?????

Bibi Haniffa
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
caribny posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

When revenues from oil start to flow you and I would be very grateful for a modern hotel like the Marriot. It may appear as a bad investment now, but in the future as more people travel to this country the Marriot would be the place to accommodate those who prefer international standards.

Oil folks will stay in what ever facilities which are available.  Cannot imagine that the hotels in Kinshasa are that lavish, yet those after the minerals of the Dem Rep of Congo go there.

You are too pessimistic about huge projects.  There is a shortage of competition as well as quality hotels in Guyana.  What you call hotels in Guyana are nothing short of cheap Guyanese guest house where people for "short time". The Marriott is needed. Let's not be so pessimistic. We can do it.

How the hell u will know about the hotel standard  in guyana when u go there u stay by your family in hubu backdam

 

FM

Perhaps it was the terrible conditions at the country's hotels that drove me to stay with my family in the back dam of Hubu. This country is too far behind when it comes to accommodation. The Marriott, if managed properly would attract enough guests to make it profitable. Caribj would like to see it fail because it was constructed by the PPP gov't. There is very little patriotism in the hearts of most critics of government in Guyana. It's all about the party they love and little about the country itself. 

Billy Ram Balgobin
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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Perhaps it was the terrible conditions at the country's hotels that drove me to stay with my family in the back dam of Hubu. This country is too far behind when it comes to accommodation. The Marriott, if managed properly would attract enough guests to make it profitable. Caribj would like to see it fail because it was constructed by the PPP gov't. There is very little patriotism in the hearts of most critics of government in Guyana. It's all about the party they love and little about the country itself. 

Most Guyanese visit to see their relatives, and so will either stay with their relatives, or if their relatives are backward and an embarrassment for their US raised kids, with outhouse and bucket baths under the hot sun, they will stay at a decent hotel nearby.

 

Still awaiting your screams about why droves of tourists are going to descend on Guyana to pay US$30 for a routine US style breakfast.

Bottom line is those who visit will likely chose Marriott, if their alternate was Pegasus. But folks visit COUNTRIES.  They don't visit hotels.  When they decide where they will vacation THEN they chose the hotel.

So why will some one who wants to see Guyana's interior be interested in Marriott in G/town, which is reportedly quite boring to most non Caribbean people after 2 days?

 

When you answer imagine if it was a PNC project!  Your inherent racist attitude towards blacks will allow you to be less charitable about a project which does NOT represent a developmental priority for tax payers.

FM

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