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How to stop Trump? GOP leaders search for a way

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, First posted: | Updated: , http://www.torontosun.com/2016...ers-search-for-a-way

MIAMI -- Gripped by chaos and dismay, Republican leaders searched on Wednesday for a last-chance option to derail Donald Trump's momentum fueled by seven commanding Super Tuesday victories.

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Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks about the results of Super Tuesday primary and caucus voting during a news conference in Palm Beach, Florida March 1, 2016. REUTERS/Scott Audette

Overshadowed by Trump's wins, Ted Cruz came in a close second in the night's delegate haul, thanks to a win in his home state of Texas. The strong showing bolstered the senator's case to be the party's Trump alternative, even as rival Marco Rubio vowed to continue his fight.

The unrelenting division represented the biggest crisis for the GOP in decades, with the party seemingly on track to nominate a presidential candidate it can't contain. Some party leaders are considering the once unthinkable option of aligning behind Cruz, whom many dislike, while others are talking of a brokered convention. Some influential outsiders even raise the option of forming a new party.

Though convention fights are much more talked about than actually occur, an Associated Press delegate count indicates Trump will have to do better in upcoming contests to claim the nomination before the party's national gathering in July. So far, he has won 46 per cent of the delegates awarded, and he would have to increase that to 52 per cent in the remaining primaries.

The GOP mayhem contrasts sharply with the increasing cohesion on the Democratic side, where Hillary Clinton locked down solid victories in seven states and was on the path to regaining her status as the inevitable nominee. Clinton's dominance with black voters carried her to wins across the South. Still, Bernie Sanders picked up wins in his home state of Vermont as well as Minnesota, Oklahoma and Colorado, and he said he would fight on.

The Democratic drama paled in comparison to the existential questions Republicans wrestled with in the wake of the most significant election night of the primary. Trump won handily in states as politically opposite as Massachusetts and Alabama, a sign of his broad, outsider appeal and energizing impact on voter turnout.

Along with Texas, Cruz took neighbouring Oklahoma and also Alaska. Florida Rubio won only liberal Minnesota.

Despite Trump's commanding victories, many Republican leaders remained deeply skeptical he could beat Clinton in a head-to-head matchup in November -- and some questioned whether they'd want him in the White House if he did. They turned to the sort of "break glass" options once thought impossible.

"Ted Cruz is not my favourite by any means," Sen. Lindsey Graham, a former candidate whose disdain for his Texas colleague is well known, told CBS News. "But we may be in a position where rallying around Ted Cruz is the only way to stop Donald Trump and I'm not so sure that would work."

Still, Graham also cast doubt on whether elder GOP statesmen could wrest hold of the situation.

"At what point do you realize the Republican Party is unorganized -- like the Democratic Party? There's no secret group of people," he scoffed.

The comments came as #NeverTrump hashtag spread across Twitter and an anti-Trump Super Pac released a new online video and said it would increase its daily attacks ahead of primaries on March 8 and March 15. Our Principles PAC latest attack blasts Trump for not clearly repudiating David Duke, a onetime KKK member who endorsed Trump's campaign.

Other prominent Republicans called for more drastic measures.

"It may be necessary for men and women of principle within the party to set the self-detonation sequence as they escape the ship to a new party," wrote conservative blogger Erick Erickson. Erickson was among those calling on the party to coalesce around Cruz.

In his victory speech, Trump sent a clear message to the GOP establishment, warning to House Speaker Paul Ryan, who had declared earlier Tuesday that "this party does not prey on people's prejudices," that if the two don't get along, Ryan is "going to have to pay a big price."

Delegate math would seem to underscore the problem for Republicans who reject Trump.

For the night, Trump won at least 234 delegates and Cruz won at least 209. Rubio was a distant third with at least 90. There were still 40 delegates left to be allocated.

Overall, Trump leads with 316 delegates and Cruz has 226. Rubio has 106, John Kasich has 25 and Ben Carson eight.

The math was also tough for Sanders. Clinton was assured of winning at least 457 of the 865 delegates at stake Tuesday. Sanders gained at least 286. When including party leaders, Clinton has at least 1,005 delegates and Sanders has at least 373. It takes 2,383 to win the nomination.

Top Sanders advisers argue that Super Tuesday was the best day on the primary calendar for Clinton. But the map will get more difficult for her moving forward, said Sanders senior adviser Tad Devine.

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And the GOP expects that all of those Trump fanatics, and we see many here on GNI, will follow orders, and not emerge in open rebellion, if they think that Trump was robbed.

The love Trump because they think that he can stand up to the GOP establishment, and then the GOP establishment will attempt to remove their choice!

GOP just get ready President Hillary, and if you don't approve Obama's choice to replace Scalia, Hillary might select him.  He is after all a professor who is expert on constitutional law.  This would be a repayment for Obama selecting her to be Secretary of State.  This kept her out of trouble, and allowed to remain visible.

GOP nightmare, President Hillary, and Supreme Court judge Obama.

FM

Ross Douthat: The strange parity between Trump’s rivals has given his candidacy the running room it needs

Ross Douthat, The New York Times | March 2, 2016 2:47 PM ET, http://news.nationalpost.com/f...unning-room-it-needs

Maree Miller, of Cairo, Georgia, reacts to Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump as he speaks to supporters.

Maree Miller, of Cairo, Georgia, reacts to Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump as he speaks to supporters.

On Super Tuesday, as in New Hampshire a few weeks ago, Donald Trump basically has the devil’s luck.

In the days before Tuesday’s slew of primaries, there were signs that Trump might be pulling away, expanding his support beyond the rough one-third of the party that’s backed him since last summer. One poll had him at 49 per cent nationally, another at 40 per cent in Virginia, another close to Ted Cruz in Texas. There was the Chris Christie endorsement, the Jeff Sessions endorsement — and yes, the K.K.K. business, but the “Trump Is Inevitable” drumbeat on cable news and Twitter sometimes seemed to drown that controversy out.

But in the end, Trump’s numbers were impressive but not at all a race ender. The states in play were mostly up and down what you might call the Trump Belt — the swath of America, extending from the Deep South up through Appalachia and into New England, where his unusual coalition is strongest. Yet he won less than half the night’s delegates, with vote totals still in the 35 per cent range — peaking in Massachusetts and Alabama (an amazing combination), but falling into the 20s outside the Trump Belt (in Oklahoma, Texas, Minnesota) and holding in the 30s elsewhere.

For a candidate who is not only opposed but feared as a race-baiting demagogue by almost the entire party establishment, who looks less electable than any of his rivals in the fall, who has prominent conservatives (including, this week, a sitting United States senator) lining up to swear they’ll never vote for him, who is basically in undeclared war with the last Republican president and the last two party nominees — for such a candidate, 35 per cent of the vote still does not seem like it should be enough to win through to the nomination.

Yet the Super Tuesday results did nothing, nothing, to clarify who exactly might win it instead. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz are locked in a bizarre standoff, where each one has an entirely plausible claim to be the not-Trump candidate, and neither has a clear reason to depart the race.

In demographic terms, this was supposed to be Cruz’s biggest night

Start with Cruz, who won his home state easily and won in Oklahoma as well. This leaves him with three significant wins over Trump, to Rubio’s lonely Minnesotan triumph, and it leaves him with many more delegates than Rubio overall. Hence the perfectly reasonable case that Cruz pressed in his speech Tuesday night, that he’s proven he can win and Rubio has not, and so the party should rally to him to stave off the Trumpocalypse.

And yet: in demographic terms, this was supposed to be Cruz’s biggest night, offering a slew of Southern states where his strength with evangelicals and very conservative voters promised him victories, and with them momentum and a claim to be the actual front-runner. When I touted Cruz’s path to the nomination a few weeks ago, I assumed that he needed to win five or six states on Super Tuesday. Instead, Trump ended up taking a large chunk of the Southern voters Cruz was counting on.

Which means that as the campaign moves to big blue and purple states, with more moderate conservatives and fewer evangelicals, it’s entirely reasonable for Rubio to argue that he’s actually better positioned than Cruz, and that his win in Minnesota and close second in Virginia suggest that he would run better against Trump over the campaign’s longer haul.

But again, as the mockers of “Marcomentum” are quick to point, Rubio has still won only one state, he trails Trump in the Florida polls and he has to deal with the further variable of John Kasich, whose near-miss in Vermont probably gives him the thin straw he needs to hang around until Ohio votes on March 15.

Which, again, is the ideal result for Trump: it seemed possible that Kasich might be embarrassed into dropping out, but providence and the Green Mountain State had other plans.

So what happens now? Why, everybody stays in, of course, at least until Ohio and Florida two weeks hence. At that point, if neither Rubio nor Kasich wins his home state, they probably — though not necessarily, in Rubio’s case — drop out, leaving the not-Trump field to Cruz. But if one of them wins, then it’s a three-man race until the end; if both win, there will be four candidates bringing delegates to Cleveland.

Erich Schlegel / Getty Images
Erich Schlegel / Getty ImagesTed Cruz celebrates at a Super Tuesday watch party at the Redneck Country Club in Stafford, Texas.

All this clearly makes a contested convention much more likely; indeed, it may be the most likely outcome at this point.

But to get there, one of the not-Trump candidates definitely needs to win a few big purple-blue states outright, because otherwise the winner-take-all rules will let Trump continue his charmed path to the nomination. Indeed, if the remaining candidates continue to split the vote exactly the way they are right now, it’s entirely possible that Trump could clear the delegate threshold while continuing to win just 30 to 35 per cent of the vote.

I was once certain that this wouldn’t happen, because it would require too many candidates to stay in for too long with too little chance at victory. And yet that’s what has been delivered thus far: a strange, almost eerie parity between Trump’s rivals, which has given him exactly the running room his fascinating, frightening candidacy needs.

The New York Times

FM

DG, trying to stop Trump is like trying to stop a runaway train. You might risk injury to stop him. The GOP need to embrace reform and forget about conservative establishment. They need to get use to an outsider who can walk the walk. Listen to the people that fed up with Washington politics. Mitt Romney is a two time failure. He should try to unite the party behing Trump and not trying to divide it at this stage. Both Cruz and Rubio should get out of the race and support Trump. You don't wait two week by playing catch up with Trump to realized you didn't win. This is Trump World right now. 

 

FM
Cobra posted:

DG, trying to stop Trump is like trying to stop a runaway train.

Cobra you failed to correctly predict the PPP loss last year, and your racism blinds you to the fact that most Americans think that Trump is a buffoon, a fascist, and a total embarrassment.

 

In fact the GOP as a whole suffers from the same problem  that the PPP suffers from. They are a "white people party" just as the PPP described itself as a "coolie people party", and so are rejected by a growing % of the electorate.

The fact that 75% of the ASIAN population should tell the GOP that they are on the wrong track.  Trump as their candidate will guarantee even WORSE performance this year.

The GOP should have selected Kasich, but then they seem determined to have President Clinton and Supreme Court judge Obama next year.

FM
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baseman posted:
Cobra posted:

Romney will have to eat his words after his speech tomorrow. He is coming especially  to bash Trump. But Trump will hit him back so hard, he might faint. He is a two time loser. What can he say to injure Trump?

We headed for a epic battle which will make or break Trump and change America!  I believe Trump will prevail!!

Trump will fail just as Jagdeo did.  They are both racist buffoons.

FM
baseman posted:
 

The silent majority does not.  Only the loud mouth liberals who dominate most media outlets and try to shout down everyone else!!

Yes the same "silent majority" who you all boasted would dump Obama last time around.

To the contrary, its the loud mouth extremist who endorse Trump's buffoonery.  Come November the "silent majority" will show up, just as they did in 2012.

FM
Drugb posted:

Should Trump win, the stock market will go up. This has been the historical trend so get ready to invest if you have cash on hand. 

And yet the investment community hates Trump with a passion, hence the screams of Romney and the Koch brothers.

So why will the markets perform?

FM
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