what a fraud

the record here on GNI exposes u as an inartful liar and highly ignorant bigot prancing around in faux Indo-nationalist garb burbling about "struggles of [] forefathers" to camouflage your low morals and backwardness

puuhlease . . .

Yuji Bhai (there...my Indo credentials), stop being hyperbolic. No one can deny;s one's truth. You're Indian like me. But don't tell me that people in India would treat you and me the same and treat all the other different Indians in India and in Desi land the same. This is why one has to not only proclaim one's Indian-ness, but do not use it to cover up other inadequacies, of which there are many that befell Indians. In the Guyana context it was to highlight the propagation of divisiveness by using the Indian thing that made him bring the other attributes of his Guyanese existence (which no one can deny). And you fools berate him for thinking he denounces his Indian-ness. And now you come here shouting your pride oin being an Indian as if your Indian-ness is under assault. No, it ain't. But you do Indians a dis-service. I probably got more scars than you in being an Indian in Guyana but I don't act like it's being taken away from me by Moses or Freddie. I  say I am an Indian from strength. You say you are an Indian from weakness.

Kari

You are entitled to your opinion.

I am proud to be Indo. It is ok with me if you are ashamed of or uncomfortable with your identity. I am not.

I could care less about your so called scars, I am proud to carry my scars and I am not afraid to call a spade a spade.

I could care less about what people from India "think" of me. I am proud of who I am and do not require any reassurances like you and others who perhaps suffer from low self esteem about their Indo Identity and discredit their own.

I have stated that I am Guyanese but will NEVER be ashamed to speak of my Indo identity.

Indos and for a matter of fact, no one can ever do a disservice to their identity by declaring that they are proud of it.

Afro Americans are proud of their Identity and I quite admire it. They do not hesitate to talk about their struggles and achievements. There is nothing wrong about Afro Americans being proud of who they are.

Let me correct you, I am Indian from my birth and strength. I survived and spoke out against two Black dictators in Guyana. I am proud of it and I am not afraid to speak out against what they did to us. Perhaps you are afraid to ruffle the feathers of your newfound friends. I am not.

As for Moses, he publicly declared that he is not Indian and it is for History to be the judge.

Some how these ole insecure Indo men believe that to be Indo one must be subservient to PPP. What a piece of low IQed crap!

When you peddle "blackman lazy", "blackman a kill ahbie", and when you celebrate the exclusion of non Indians during the Jagdeo/Ramotar regimes you don't embrace being "Guyanese", so cut the crap.

You are NOT Guyanese, unless you see yourself within the context of this ethnically diverse nation, and you embrace the totality of what this means.

You are full of crap.

Indos nor Afros consider you worthy of anything nor of any social or economic value to them. 

That is the reason why any government of yesterday or today will not even consider your employment as a garbage collector.

So said our little ole pot belly Indo man ...what makes you think I want govt employment?

It is not what you think.

It is a fact that you are of ZERO value to ANY government past or present.

After winning the presidency, the PNC kicked you to the curb like a piece of garbage.

1.  African Americans see themselves as an AMERICAN people, and fight for the right to contribute and to benefit from this.  Their battle has been for INCLUSION.  99% of them don't have the slightest interest in the African continent, nor any desire to identify with those who live there.

2. You see yourself as an India centered person living in a far off land, as if you are an exile.  You think that your culture is "pure" and you seek to defend it from being "defiled" by others.  The problem is that very few people in Guyana, INCLUDING YOU, live in cultural isolation.

How do Indo Guyanese speak?  NOT Bhojpuri, Hindi, or Urdu, but creolese and English.  They adopted and adapted the speech from the colonials, and from the Creole Guyanese (African and mixed, and later Portuguese), and forgot that of their ancestors.

So how can you claim to be "Indian".  All you can claim to be is a Guyanese of Indian descent.  This is a FACT, and not a sign of self hatred.  The self hatred in fact is your DENIAL and repudiation of the cultures that Indo Caribbean peoples generated in their new lands.  You think it degraded because it isn't "pure," and because it contains within it influences of other ethnic groups.

You probably have no idea as to what "pure" Indian culture is.

Balahoo Brahmin...things are not what they seem on the surface .

For a man who writes articles in the Stabroek New, is this your best response ? I pity a reject like you.

Very well said. These morons think they are still live in UP and Bihar.

Why am I proud to be Guyanese.

Because I can go to a party and eat the foods of many different cultures and view all of it as MINE. In fact I told this to a white American, who boasted about all the ethnic foods that one can eat in NYC.

Yes he can, but can he claim these foods as an integral part of who he is, and how much does he know about the cultural contexts of these foods, given that he wasn't raised alongside those who cook it.

Pity that Ravi Dev, and the rest of the Indo KKK group are so longing for cultural "purity," so dismissive of the cultural diversity and continuums implied in creole cultures, and so insistent that Guyana has tribes which live in separate boxes, lacking any obligation beyond their tribal context.

Yuji: What nonsense are you talking about again. Where did I mention "pure" Indian Culture ? Man, for the last time, get a pair of reading glasses. You are full of crap.

Your whole rant about your "culture" did imply "purity"

1.  There is no unique culture or value systems which bind all Indo Guyanese.

2.   Indo Guyanese, live within a multi cultural context just like people from other ethnicities.  It is also a fact that racists like you will condemn those who draw pride from being multicultural in orientation by calling them "self hating" Indians.

For 23 years Indian dictators abused blacks the same way as the African dictator abused Indians.

The fact that you don't want to discuss this fact shows that you have no interest in the fate of Guyanese.  You do NOT see the fate of Indians being pretty much bound into that of other Guyanese.

So spare us your Indo KKK indignation.

Afro Guyanese intellectuals DO NOT see Africans as being this separate and isolated group with some unique culture which differentiates them from others, and neither do black Americans. So don't excuse your racism for their own demand for equality.

Your racist and anti Indo crap will not be tolerated.

Many racists and anti Indo like yourself attempted to prevent us from declaring our pride in our identity and have failed. 

Please try again.

Oh yes.

1.  When you scream "black man lazy".

2.   When you boast about your cultural "purity", implying that every Indo Guyanese lives within some monolith.

3.  When you demonize blacks as violent criminals with no positive to contribute.

4.  When you refuse to admit the role that Indians have in our ethnic distrust and deny that the PPP has done every thing possible to earn the hatred directed against it by blacks and mixed people.

To you all this isn't racist, but to condemn these attitudes is.

David Hinds, Nigel Hughes and other are proud Afro Guyanese.  They discuss the role of Afro Guyanese in Guyana's ethnic morass, even as the condemn that of Indians.

You sir aren't proud.  You merely seek an excuse to peddle your bigotry.

I feel same about the food. But I am not so sure why I should be proud. Guyana has failed. It is a failed third world backwater. The pre-independence leaders and the present derivatives have failed my generation. They never fought for independence. The Brits wanted out. All this celebration they are planning next year is just a waste of money.

@ Carib.

You sir, peddle Indo Hate and racism all day and night. Every single post of yours is full of hate towards Indos.

Sometimes you try to sugarcoat it but it is easily unwrapped by the stench of your hate of Indos.

You peddle it so much that your post stinks of racism.

If more Guyanese derived pride in our cultural continuum, instead of remaining trapped within small bantustans, holding desperately to unscrupulous leaders, then Guyana wouldn't be a failed state.

Jamaicans have created a distinct brand and image which has helped them develop a tourist industry, an entertainment sector, and brands with reach beyond the Caribbean.  Why them and not us.  Because Jamaicans are fiercely proud of being Jamaican, and others have picked that up.

Guyanese don't even know who we are and so don't see our own "richness".  So we let a major heritage site, which Georgetown was, collapse into ruin.  Stabroek Market, a unique symbol of Guyana, a crime scene and a rat infested mess.

People do need symbols, and you live in the USA, a nation which is full of this.  So yes "50" years of Guyana is something to celebrate, even of we haven't achieved much since then.

I read an article that said Indian people are in general a mixture of Caucasian, Mongoloid and Australoid races.

Yugi is a good coolee bhai.

It is in India where the Negroids evolved into Australoids.

Watch and see yuji, cobra and rama take a knife to their heart with the knowledge that Indians are the group closest to sub Saharan Africa of any group of humans. 

Yuh would be smart to. Get to double your pay before even getting anything done.

I haven't seen him peddling anti-Indo hate. I have seen him using the term Indo KKK to describe some of you. I feel it's a suitable term given how you and people like Cobra get along. There is much merit in his distaste of the "Indian good, Blackman bad" ideology you guys peddle here. My contention is twofold: (i) Indo and Afro insecurity dilemmas feed off of each other. You cannot understand one without understanding the dynamic and strategic response of the other. This I have done on numerous occasions in the past 4 years. The Indo intellectuals over at Guyana Times have to model it this way...or else it is just ad hoc pseudo intellectualism.  (ii) You cannot blame blackman when PPP - elected by Indo masses - was in power for 23 years. What did they do to minimize drug pushing? Gold smuggling? Reform the police? Balance the army? Modernize the public service. Who killed sugar? Who killed UG? Who pawned the country's economic well-being by entering into a barter with a natural enemy, Venezuela? Who wasted significant financial resources on mal-investments like the Marriott, the fiber optic cable, Fip's road, etc? All these bad policies affect Indos and all other Guyanese. At the end of the day, no matter how you cut it, PPP will be seen as an Indo party...they just disgraced Indos with their method of governance, their gross incompetence, lawlessness and barefaced wealth accumulation clearly inconsistent with public pay scale.

No one ever said you should not be proud of your heritage. The problem with your exposition is it began to meander into that place of sacred victimization and those other terrible people victimized you.

Burnham did not spare poor black people and most were. Whatever was your plight was theirs as well. That indians chose particular category of work does not mean any other type of work was easy street. It also does not mean indians worked because they were altruistic. It was reciprocal altruism. They did it because they anticipated income and advantages from their labor. That was paid for by the consumers of all ilk since we do not have a welfare system where some are given three squares for non performance.

Equality is not a condition to be traded. It is a default dispensation of rights. You do not get to choose that you are lesser than or greater than or will assert any condition with respect to rights not a possession of others. That condition has never been in question in Guyana.

I am a Guyanese with Hindu ancestors from India. I am a Hindu who took the effort to read extensively and discovered in Hindu philosophy that all paths lead to God. This means that all religions are valid. So, I respect my copies of the Holy Bible and Holy Qur'an equally as my Bhagavad Gita.

I recognize that all races have positives and negatives and as an Indo-Guyanese I don't find fault with Afro-Guyanese and others. Like me, my father was a tolerant man who kept close Afro friends who were always welcome in our home. From my late teens to now, I have always stayed far from people who put their race first and run down others.

Well said Sir Gilbakka

Let us look at what I say.

1.  BOTH the PNC in its 28 years, and the PPP in its 23 years was racist.

2.  BOTH Africans and Indians have contributed to our ethnic tensions, and also suffered.

3.  Indians like you have an ideology of identity which is incompatible within the context of multi cultural societies where no "ethnic" group is culturally monolithic and where most people operate within a multi cultural context.

4.  Where as Africans like Rodney, David Hinds, Eusi Kwayana and others have developed a sophisticated analysis of our ethno political problems and how this has impacted our social and economic development.  And in doing so outline the roles that BOTH Africans and Indians have played and CONDEMNED the anti Indianism of the Burnham era, we have NOT seem similar analysis from Indians.

5.  What we do see from those who think of themselves as Indian intellectuals, is an ethnocentric screams where blacks are demonized (either openly or by implication). 

Where there is no analysis of how the strong ethnocentrism of Indians (giving their ethnicity privileged status over their nationality) impacts how others view them, or indeed how the socio economic status of other groups was adversely impacted between 1992-2015, when we saw an almost complete monopolization of political and economic power.

We also see the stigmatization of those Indians who privilege their status as Guyanese, over their ethnicity as Indians, and who acknowledge, and even draw pride in how multi cultural they happen to be. 

So poor Kari has to write about being a "super Indian", even as he attempts to condemn certain narrow views of what being Indian is.  He dare not claim about how multi cultural he might happen to be, and that this ability to easily move in between many cultural contexts might have even helped him professionally.

Yugi needs help. He is suffering from acute ethnic insecurity.

I am some ten years older than you and I don't know how you can be of any consequence to Guyanese struggle against the dictator. Your lie that you were in the streets in Berbice with the student struggle or you lie about your age because I know Chandisingh whose firing started the protest and and SK Singh who was part of organizing it. I was only 16 then and you had to be around 6 if you spoke the truth about being around 48 years old. One of those fellows was teacher and form master. 

I also know Mr C Cassato and his friend Charlie Ince. The former  took me around to many PPP meetings and protests one summer. I cannot with good conscience say I was "fighting" the regime since I was a disinterested kid just curious about what was going on. I was there the night Moses Bagwhan got beat up. What the hell are you talking about.

Moses said he was a Guyanese in a moment when it was necessary to say so. He was contrasting his emergence as an Indian as not synchronous with the crowd he was addressing. Yes, he shared many of their cultural values but he had another unique attribute that was forged in a different social cauldron. It emerged from indentureship in a colony to being citizen in a newly Independent state. There is nothing wrong with him embracing his national identity which is the ground of his identity as an Indian. You folks fume over nothing.

Gil

I have no objection to what you said. I just wanted to speak out against a growing trend of subtle Anti Indo agenda.

Indo = Guyanese

Both are inseparable. We cannot have one without the other. Like the water and the waves. Fire and heat.

The same applies to Afros and all other races of Guyana.

You desperately need help, You lack identity, period.

Yamraj awaits you.

Hence,  Indo = Pakistani.

You are confused. Yamraj is fictional.You have Chinese eyes.

I agree with this. Especially about the fact that Indo and Afro insecurities feed off each other.

Indians and Africans have a completely different notion of ethnicity and nationality. Africans (being a group fully fashioned as a "new" creolized peoples of the Americas) have an open architecture view.  Their context as based upon being a Guyanese/Caribbean people.  They see their cultural as a RICH multi cultural stew and draw pride from this.  They don't understand ethnic groups which see themselves as separate.

Indians arrived late in the colonization process, when Britain was tiring of its Caribbean colonies, which were long past their prime, given that sugar was no longer a valuable commodity.  They had no interest in remaking them as indeed they felt that they had to do with the enslaved Africans, at a time when the sugar islands were extremely valuable.

In addition it suited their purpose to keep Indians isolated and therefore unable to join the creoles (African and mixed) to fight for better conditions, which they saw as making unprofitable colonies, even more unprofitable, given demands for higher wages, better working conditions, and improved social and physical infra structure.   So when Indians adhered to a culture which the creoles saw as alien, divide and rule became easy.

So Indians have an EXCLUSIVE closed architecture identity.  They seriously think that they can live perfectly well if the others would just let them be. 

The creoles fear any group that remains aloof, as they see that group as intent on keeping power for their own benefit.

So let us start there.  The "Clannish Indian", and the" Violent African who will not leave us alone" start from this premise.

Folks can ignore this at will, and we will have these squabbles in 2020 and in 2025.

Yugi  cares what others think of him.  His behaviour is contrary to Krishna's teachings in the Bhagavad Gita.

Yet you all screamed when Moses said that he was a GUYANESE of East Indian origin.  And he did add that part, even as Jagdeo, in his rampaging rant against blacks, refused to include that part.

One can only be Guyanese if one embracing ALL that there is about being Guyanese.  You cannot stay within your little Bollyood/Hindu box, scorn others and call them lazy, and then claim to be Guyanese.

Guyana is a multi ethnic, multi cultural and multi religious society.  Most Guyanese draw from various aspects of this diversity.  I can talk about India to Indians, because I have had some exposure by virtue of being Guyanese.  I can even talk about how Indo Caribbean culture has changed since it adapted itself to a more Caribbean centered identity.

I suspect that people like TK, and maybe Chief and Kari, have similar flexibility because their exposures extend beyond a narrow tribal box. This is a GOOD thing!

Caribji, well said.