1)  This now puts the ball in the hands of the PPP. Will they accept this date?

2) If this means Guyana does not have a Govt after March 21, who and how is the government going to function until November?

VishMahabir posted:

1)  This now puts the ball in the hands of the PPP. Will they accept this date?

 

2) If this means Guyana does not have a Govt after March 21, who and how is the government going to function until November?

Which country have you ever heard was without a government ?

Some of the talking heads of Guyana are clueless.

NO BLOODY WAY. NOT BECAUSE A GROUP OF *******S TOO DUMB AND STUPID TO RUN GECOM SAYS SO!! THE CONSTITUTION OF GUYANA SAYS MARCG 21!! NOT A BLADE OF GRASS, NOT ONE CURASS!!!

Look who is talking bout clueless, the one wid his head up his Batty!!!!!

Damn...this is becoming messy...is too much damn headache following Guyana politics.

Why yuh slow. It is very simple NC =  Election within 90 days. Laad Ah Mercy, is dat too difficult???

Nehru posted:

Look who is talking bout clueless, the one wid his head up his Batty!!!!!

You are part of of the clueless clan sheeple, try to open your mind. Doubt you can too much shit in the cranium.

You so DUMB stupidee Bill was given the Einstein award!!!!

You so DUMB 33 < 32  for you. Try LIL ABC and work your way up!!!

Nehru posted:

You so DUMB 33 < 32  for you. Try LIL ABC and work your way up!!!

Who buys that ?

there are more to the NCV ,that's beyond your comprehension due to being sheeple.

PPP better accept

Django posted:

Nehru posted:

You so DUMB 33 < 32  for you. Try LIL ABC and work your way up!!!

Who buys that ?

there are more to the NCV ,that's beyond your comprehension due to being sheeple.

There is more Doo Doo in your head than in the NYC Sewer!!!

This doesn't buy the PPP anything much, 7 months early elections. If no NC then elections would have been 2020 May. 

So the slopsters will continue slopping and Jaggy will ponder what to do next: declare govt illegal, protest to the international community and hope for sanctions. If no support from abc's then Granger and the slopsters here will have lots of giggles. 

According to this article, money was budgeted for 2020 election.  https://dpi.gov.gy/2-9b-for-2020-general-elections/

With the NCM, three months went by without GECOM turning a straw in preparation for election which is constitutional due in AUGUST 2020. 

GECOM now requesting almost 8 months for preparation...  all the works of APNU and GECOM in bed together. 

PPP is concern, GECOM motive for house to house registration is a form of fraudulent activities with the registration. 

We have all established the intention of  APNU... 

GECOM should prove why they need a new list when the same list was used for local government election and was used in 2015 GE. 

I also recall GNI esteem lawyer, Mr  DJ acknowledge the list is fit and proper and not much wok is necessary for GE. 

THE CONSEQENCES OF HOLDING OFFICE ILLEGALLY

If the APNU+ AFC Government will be “illegal”, who then will be the legal government?

March 19, 2019

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Dear Editor,

Hitherto I had restrained myself from commenting in your letter column on this No Confidence motion matter. I am aware that there is a considerable readership that wants to read my views. But I am a member of the Attorney General’s battery of Lawyers. So, I conceived it right, and proper, not to comment by letter as the matter is sub judice. Not anymore. Comment I must. There is an overriding public interest that compels a lettered response to the nauseaus inciteful misconceptions of a Senior Counsel in Ralph Ramkarran’s Sunday Column “The Court of Appeal can shine a legal light on the way forward” (SN, Sunday, March 17, 2019).

Editor, with an accustomed degree of reckless disregard for constitutional intricacies, and preference for political expediencies, Mr.Ramkarran writes thus “… by the Government’s failure to fix a date for elections before March 21, the Government becomes illegal on March 22 …. President Granger blithely ignores the nation’s right to elections and relies on the invented veto which he has accorded to the Elections Commission … On the morning of March 22, all Guyanese will awaken to the existence of a Government that is a usurper .. HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER THE SECURITY FORCES … what happens next. If the Court of Appeal does not wish to abandon the nation to constitutional darkness, as some would say is its duty it would have to give us the answer and appropriate guidance …”

Readers are entitled to be educated and made aware that there is no express wording in the constitution which provides that the Government will be “illegal”. Nor has the Chief Justice (ag) ruled that it will be. Even the most ardent and gullible supporter of the opposition must ask Mr Ramkarran this question: if the APNU + AFC government will be “illegal”, who then in law, and fact, will be the legal government? On the morning of March 22 can the Court of Appeal exercise some jurisdiction to impose another government to replace the supposed “illegal” one? Politicians wishing to inflame would use the word “illegal”; but for the jurist, the only issue is, whether the government will be constitutional, or unconstitutional; and that issue defies the simplicity of notions of “illegal”, and brings into sharp focus the intricacies of our Constitution. Readers here are the constitutional truth.

Constitution
First and foremost, the 7th Parliament which purported to introduce no confidence motion regime into the Constitution in 2000, some twenty (20) years AFTER the constitution had come into force on 6th October 1980, could not, and is not permitted by the Constitution, to use a less valuable or significant provision / article of the Constitution to interfere with rights and duties created by the framers / makers of the Constitution by, and in, provisions / articles that are much more valuable. Nor could the 7th Parliament by such less valuable article foist on a President, duties or limitations different from those provided by the more, or most, valuable articles.

This you might think is pure common sense or constitutional logic; and it is supported by our highest judicial authority, the Caribbean Court of Justice in Cedric Richardson case. (the reader would observe that I have in the interest of simple reading avoided the use of legalise such as “inconsistent” and “inconsistency”)

Second, whether deliberately, unwittingly or otherwise, Mr Ramkarran ignores or disregards this intricacy of the attribution of differential value and writes, you might think, as if the no confidence motion carries a higher value, in the constitutional scheme of things than GECOM’s power over elections [even a power to POSTPONE a date proclaimed / appointed by the President – article 162 (2) (a)] Not at all.

And this is one of the curiosities of our Constitution. The Constitution attributes to article 106 (the no confidence motion article) the LEAST OR SHALLOWEST VALUE; it attributes to GECOM’s provisions the second highest level of value. And guess what readers? Stop and pause and think on this: it attributes to the PRESIDENCY THE HIGHEST OR DEEPEST LEVEL OF VALUE. This was done by protecting articles directly relating to the Presidency such as 51, 89,99 with the best and strongest security by requiring a REFERENDUM for any change or impact whatsoever on them. And what cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly by sterile arguments about illegality of government. But Ramkarran would not tell you about such intricacy.

Third, the 7th Parliament could not by votes alone in the National Assembly (even all 65) and the President’s assent, and without also a referendum, purport to subvert, impair, dilute or water down rights or powers conferred or invested in the Presidency under articles 89,99. By this most valuable article 89 itself, the President (for the time being) is the “Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the Republic “ Only by a referendum can that power which President Granger extantly has, be interfered with. The no confidence motion carried by 33 votes is certainly NOT a referendum. On the morning of March 22 President Granger by article 89 of the Constitution will be the Commander – in – chief and have ABSOLUTE authority over the GDF. No amount of sterile, inflammatory, politically expedient argumentation about “illegal” can change that. (Again for simplicity of reading.
I have deliberately avoided such constitutional legalise or nomenclature as entrenchment, guarantee, supremacy etc)

GECOM
Fourth, President Granger has not “invented veto” for GECOM. The Constitution itself has invested GECOM with veto power. The Nation is credibly and reliably made aware of GECOM’s is position of its practical unpreparedness or inability to conduct, now, general and regional elections. It is an open question of interpretation, on which presently there is no authoritative judicial ruling, whether postponement, or, postponeability of elections within article 162, permits a President to take notice of GECOM’s publicised position of unpreparedness (a fact that can be deposed to by Affidavit) and act on that virtual certainty of a postponement, and defer appointment of a date for election.

The President cannot be expected to capriciously and whimsically appoint a date no later than March 21 and face the virtual certainty of postponement, and so act in VAIN. Vanity is not excused by what the purveyors of elections now may presume to be the President’s duty. And if Courts do not act in vain, our jurisprudence cannot expect the Executive to. The law of elections is not some abstraction, nor is it to be applied as if we exist in some classic utopian void. The Constitution is not asinine as to require a President in the face of indications of unreadiness by GECOM, to appoint a date before GECOM is ready and has has indicated its readiness.

That is pure and simple, a necessary implication. And readers must be told (one does not expect the Ramkarrans and Rams to do so) that to ensure the impartiality and independence of GECOM, the Constitution itself (article 226 (1) & (7) has prohibited GECOM from being directed or controlled directly by any authority (including the President). This is the constitutional truth and reality; the “invented veto” argument is misleading nonsense.

I am convinced that upon a true interpretation of the constitution, GECOM’s state of readiness is, and must be, a relevant and material consideration in the exercise of the President’s functions to appoint a date for elections and dissolve Parliament in which event the President’s legislative capacity (article 51) ceases but his Executive capacity (articles 89 and 99) persists and continues until a swearing in of the elected President happens. I can conceive of no reason in constitutional theory that will preclude Gecom from disclosing its incapacity. Why should such incapacity be some matter of secrecy? It is plainly delusional to expect a President to ignore such didclosure.

And if Gecom by a majority decides its incapacity, it is settled law that the Courts has no jurisdiction to entertain any question as to the validity of that decision [ article 226 (6)]. Ramkarran ignores this truth.
I end with this: the Rule of law requires that the Executive, the Parliament and Judiciary alike respect and obey the Constitution. Those who, rightly, preach obedience, owes it to their congregation to tell them that like George Orwell’s “Pigs”, some provisions in the Constitution are by the Constitution itself more valuable than others. And that any interpretation that trivializes the most valuable provisions and accords to the least valuable ones more importance is self-evidently unsound and wrong.

That absurdity is what Ralph Ramkarran preaches. The no confidence motion Frankenstien that he as a member of the Constitution Reform Commission helped to create in 2000, cannot be permitted to devour our Constitution; nor one of its most valuable tenets – the Presidency.

Regards
Maxwell E. Edwards

There will be no Govt. That is what UNCONSTITUTIONAL means. They will probably bully their way looking like a Govt. The ABC Countries were very stern with Ramotar  so I will be watching them !!!

VishMahabir posted:

1)  This now puts the ball in the hands of the PPP. Will they accept this date?

 

2) If this means Guyana does not have a Govt after March 21, who and how is the government going to function until November?

 

The answer is if there is no parliament after Thursday then there is no leader of the opposition, so Jagdeo will have to ensure that a structure of governance exists.  Until there is a new swearing in (post elections) the existing president remains.

Jagdeo will have to come back because it is obviously to all that there will be no election on Thursday.

Regarding the Maxwell letter writer comments which Django, the resident PNC propagandist, chose to post. So basically what Maxwell, a known pnc supporter, is saying is that if you stack GECOM with PNC majority then this trumps the constitution.  

Drugb posted:

This doesn't buy the PPP anything much, 7 months early elections.

Enough time for them to do what they would have had to do were the election next year May.  APNU outsmarted Jagdeo.  You still want RK to create mayhem?

Django are you comparing Ramkarran experience with Maxwell... 

Read here 

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

This doesn't buy the PPP anything much, 7 months early elections.

Enough time for them to do what they would have had to do were the election next year May.  APNU outsmarted Jagdeo.  You still want RK to create mayhem?

Not what I want but what the people of Guyana want. If they lay back and allow PNC to pull this stunt then they deserve what they get, black tea with no milk. 

Dave posted:

According to this article, money was budgeted for 2020 election.  https://dpi.gov.gy/2-9b-for-2020-general-elections/

 

GECOM should prove why they need a new list when the same list was used for local government election and was used in 2015 GE. 

I also recall GNI esteem lawyer, Mr  DJ acknowledge the list is fit and proper and not much wok is necessary for GE. 

 

GECOM need only say that after 4 years the list used in 2015 is no longer valid.  So when last was there a house to house registration and verification process?

I would think that if you want to protect against rigging you would want a list that most closely reflects the electorate as it is currently.  That is unless you want "dead" people to vote in GT and Linden and young people not allowed to vote on the Corentyne or West Coast Dem.

The incoming US ambassador has already said that she wants to see an election conducted properly.  If GECOM says that they aren't "ready" then any sloppiness that occurs will be blamed on Jagdeo.

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

This doesn't buy the PPP anything much, 7 months early elections.

Enough time for them to do what they would have had to do were the election next year May.  APNU outsmarted Jagdeo.  You still want RK to create mayhem?

Not what I want but what the people of Guyana want. If they lay back and allow PNC to pull this stunt then they deserve what they get, black tea with no milk. 

Did you take a survey to see what Guyanese want? I bet the answer will be for the politicians to settle their disputes in ways that don't interfere with their lives.

Have you seen massive protests over this?  No!  You haven't because they don't care.

There are more questions than answers. Que Sera, Sera; whatever will be, will be? Will Jagdeo play marbles with Granger? Or, will they play ball? Soft? Hard? Is Granger pelting sheer no-balls? Conundrum? Riddles? Catch-22? There are more questions....

Drugb posted:

Regarding the Maxwell letter writer comments which Django, the resident PNC propagandist, chose to post. So basically what Maxwell, a known pnc supporter, is saying is that if you stack GECOM with PNC majority then this trumps the constitution.  

Bhai, Django does try to say Ramkarran is inexperience and he en know what he speaking about  ... 

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

This doesn't buy the PPP anything much, 7 months early elections.

Enough time for them to do what they would have had to do were the election next year May.  APNU outsmarted Jagdeo.  You still want RK to create mayhem?

Not what I want but what the people of Guyana want. If they lay back and allow PNC to pull this stunt then they deserve what they get, black tea with no milk. 

Did you take a survey to see what Guyanese want? I bet the answer will be for the politicians to settle their disputes in ways that don't interfere with their lives.

Have you seen massive protests over this?  No!  You haven't because they don't care.

Guyanese want Election, that’s the word on the street. 

Business are suffering, people are not spending. 

Guyanese wants to move on with their lives irrespective of who govern the country. 

Dave posted:

THE CONSEQENCES OF HOLDING OFFICE ILLEGALLY

Posted on February 16, 2019 by Ralph Ramkarran

 

 

 

The main consequences of remaining unlawfully in officeafter March 21, by which time elections are due, 

Is the PPP ready for an election on Thursday?  The answer is no because they haven't even decided who the PM candidate will be, at least not publicly.

All the rest of the world cares about is that Guyanese don't start killing themselves. Aside from that no one cares as everyone has their own problems to worry about.

Please go to Theresa May and demand that she tells Granger to have elections now.  The response will be "listen we gave these people their own independence on May 26, 1966, so stop harassing me when I have hostile MPs who are determined that Brexit talks fail".

Go to Justin Trudeau and he will say" Listen I might not even be PM in a few months based upon this scandal, so get lost".

Trump is going to say "can I open up a golf course there?  No! Listen stop wasting my time!"

Rowley and Mia are going to say, " listen we are tired of these damn Guyanese who cannot run their country and then come crowding out our own when we have our problems to solve".

Antigua and St Kitts will say that because of so many Guyanese (and Jamaicans) crowding their tiny islands they don't even want the issue raised at the next CARICOM meeting.

Dave posted:

 

Guyanese want Election, that’s the word on the street. 

Business are suffering, people are not spending. 

Guyanese wants to move on with their lives irrespective of who govern the country. 

Or they can not have an election and things return to normal.  Tell your boy Jagdeo to agree to November and the matter is solved.

Having the NCV was a Jagdeo power grab and many see this for what it was.

Dave posted:

Django are you comparing Ramkarran experience with Maxwell... 

Read here 

EYEWITNESS: The law…

June 15, 2017

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…and Indigenous peoples

What’s been dumped on the Indigenous peoples in Kaieteur National Park is a trope for their four centuries of marginalisation in Guyana. Once again, your Eyewitness has to insist: all Guyanese – other than Indigenous peoples – are squatting on the latter’s lands.

 

if the Africans, Chinese, Indians, Portuguese and others weren't there the various Amerindian tribes would have been battling each other for the lands. 

Bottom line is time has past and Amerindians just need to accept that the Europeans outsmarted them and created a whole new land. All they can demand is to be treated no differently than the rest of the population.  No special privileges.

Dave posted:

Django are you comparing Ramkarran experience with Maxwell... 

Read here 

EYEWITNESS: The law…

June 15, 2017

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…is NOT an ass

 

 

What’s the point of us demanding reparations against the British and Dutch for exploiting us back in the day, when we want to gloss over that those same British and Dutch arbitrarily seized those folks’ lands – which we now occupy. Hypocrisy!! All 83,002 square miles – (the last two miles include Ankoko which we allowed Venezuela to occupy.)

 

the reparations claim is to compensate the Indigenous peoples and the descendants of enslaved Africans who were kidnapped against their individual wills for actions taken by the Europeans.

So I don't know why an Amerindian would think that somehow reparations claims don't also benefit them.

Dave posted:

Drugb posted:

Regarding the Maxwell letter writer comments which Django, the resident PNC propagandist, chose to post. So basically what Maxwell, a known pnc supporter, is saying is that if you stack GECOM with PNC majority then this trumps the constitution.  

Bhai, Django does try to say Ramkarran is inexperience and he en know what he speaking about  ... 

Ramkarran uses double standards, well it's tough for you to visualize such.

I think Guyana deh pun them own. In that hemisphere there is enough problems.  Venezuela with illegal government , Haiti 's government just collapsed  and the ABC countries have their own share of problems.  So the question is what PPP will do on 22nd March,  I see no movement by the government they will tie this process in the courts which can last till next year. Granger will say he still has to govern until election. Look for a State of Emergency called by the government and the military will be very visible. 

Django posted:

If the APNU+ AFC Government will be “illegal”, who then will be the legal government?

March 19, 2019

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Dear Editor,

 

 

That absurdity is what Ralph Ramkarran preaches. The no confidence motion Frankenstien that he as a member of the Constitution Reform Commission helped to create in 2000, cannot be permitted to devour our Constitution; nor one of its most valuable tenets – the Presidency.

Regards
Maxwell E. Edwards

And the details contained in these explain exactly why the constitution has to be changed. Pulling together pieces and not looking at the document as a whole leads to the wrong conclusions.  That is if people wish to adhere to the full intent of Burnham's rigged constitution, which was put in place to protect the president.

All those who endorse Jagdeo's silly NCV instead of insisting that this should have been tied to a massive overhaul of the constitution need their collective heads examined.

Here is a reality check.  If the government doesn't exist neither does the post of the leader of the opposition.  Let Jagdeo continue and he might lead to power being vested in the armed forces to govern the nation until a "legal" gov't can be established.

Jagdeo needs to admit defeat, and take the November date.  He can be assured that at a minimum he gained 6 months, and maybe as much as  a year because I bet that the gov't has some flexibility beyond the May due date to host elections.

kp posted:

I think Guyana deh pun them own. In that hemisphere there is enough problems.  Venezuela with illegal government , Haiti 's government just collapsed  and the ABC countries have their own share of problems.  So the question is what PPP will do on 22nd March,  I see no movement by the government they will tie this process in the courts which can last till next year. Granger will say he still has to govern until election. Look for a State of Emergency called by the government and the military will be very visible. 

And I don't know why 53 years after independence the PPP thinks that the ABC nations must solve every single political squabble.

caribny posted:

kp posted:

I think Guyana deh pun them own. In that hemisphere there is enough problems.  Venezuela with illegal government , Haiti 's government just collapsed  and the ABC countries have their own share of problems.  So the question is what PPP will do on 22nd March,  I see no movement by the government they will tie this process in the courts which can last till next year. Granger will say he still has to govern until election. Look for a State of Emergency called by the government and the military will be very visible. 

And I don't know why 53 years after independence the PPP thinks that the ABC nations must solve every single political squabble.

Well they inserted the PNC in office.

Django posted:

VishMahabir posted:

1)  This now puts the ball in the hands of the PPP. Will they accept this date?

 

2) If this means Guyana does not have a Govt after March 21, who and how is the government going to function until November?

Which country have you ever heard was without a government ?

Some of the talking heads of Guyana are clueless.

Presently Haiti is without a  government. The Government collapsed today.

caribny posted:

kp posted:

I think Guyana deh pun them own. In that hemisphere there is enough problems.  Venezuela with illegal government , Haiti 's government just collapsed  and the ABC countries have their own share of problems.  So the question is what PPP will do on 22nd March,  I see no movement by the government they will tie this process in the courts which can last till next year. Granger will say he still has to govern until election. Look for a State of Emergency called by the government and the military will be very visible. 

And I don't know why 53 years after independence the PPP thinks that the ABC nations must solve every single political squabble.

This is not a political squabble but illegally holding on to power. Stop trying to trivialize Granger's and the PNC's actions. These geriatric folks are committing a crime and must be held accountable. The other concern is that the armed forces are 99.9% pnc operatives, they will ensure pnc keeps power. 

VishMahabir posted:

1)  This now puts the ball in the hands of the PPP. Will they accept this date?

 

2) If this means Guyana does not have a Govt after March 21, who and how is the government going to function until November?

 

1) The PPP does not need to do anything further because …….

2) The current government ceases to exist after March 21, 2019. They may still squat illegally but they would have no official governmental role. The reality is that squatting illegally is not new to the PNC. They have a 50+ year history of being so. GECOM being ready for elections in November 2019 is no more probable than them being ready by March 21, 2019. The PNC never cared for what the citizens of Guyana want.