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May 8, 2016

John Gladstone, the owner of Plantation Vreed-en-Hoop, was regarded as a prime mover for indentureship. In his now famous (or infamous) letter of 4 January, 1836, to recruiters in India, he painted a glowing picture of the possibilities: “They are furnished with comfortable dwellings and abundance of food…They have likewise an annual allowance of clothing sufficient and suitable for the climate….it may be fairly said they pass their time agreeably and happily…They have regular medical attendance whenever they are indisposed, at the expense of their employers. “

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John Gladstone was guilty of monumental deception. After the Whitby and Hesperus deposited their 396 passengers on May 5, 1838, the first of 208,909, and the system was exposed, the British Anti-Slavery Society, in a statement said: “The whole system has been characterized by the grossest fraud and cruelty, and has been sustained by the most infamous tyranny and oppression.” It quotes Mr Special Justice Anderson’s letter to the governor, that “many of them have actually been kidnapped” in “circumstances second only in atrocity to those connected with the African slave-trade.”

The conditions that indentured labourers met on the plantations was far removed from Gladstone’s false description. On his own plantation at Vreed-en-Hoop there was no school. The ‘comfortable dwellings’ were called ‘logies,’ the dwellings recently vacated by slaves. They were built over or near foetid and sewage laden trenches, which provided sources for the disposal of waste as well as water for washing, bathing and cooking.

The pamphlet mentioned above continued: “Let us now take a glance at Vreed-en-Hoop, the property of Mr. Gladstone. An inquiry was ordered by the Governor into a report that ‘coolies of Vreed-en-Hoop had been flogged’ and that two of them escaped and had perished in Mahaica. The evidence of Elizabeth Caesar, one among many, stated: ‘The coolies were locked up in the sick house and next morning they were flogged with cat-o-nine tails. The manager was in the house, and they flogged the people under his house. They were tied to the post of the gallery of the manager’s house. I cannot tell how many licks; he gave them enough. I saw blood. When they were flogged at the manager’s house, they rubbed salt pickle on their backs.’” This was a regular occurrence.

John Gladstone was not the only person guilty of deception. On 11th January, 1839, Governor Light said: The coolies “are as carefully protected from oppression and their complaints redressed as speedily as those of other labourers”! He adds, “the Coolies on Mr. Gladstone’s property, are a fine healthy body of men” who “take pride in their dress.”

The cruel reality, however, was exposed in a report of a visit to a hospital at Belle-Vue which talks about “hidden horrors,” squalid wretchedness,” “emaciated forms,” “intense sufferings from diseases and sores.” Conditions were known to be so terrible that more than a century separated Walter Rodney’s description of indentureship as “neo slavery” and Chief Justice Charles Beaumont’s (1863-1868) characterization as a “rotten, monstrous system rooted upon slavery.”

The struggle against the atrocities of indentureship, which included strikes, riots, shootings and burnings of cane from the commencement right up to 1917 when it ended, and thereafter against oppressive conditions on the sugar estates, fed into the struggle against colonial oppression. The 64-day bauxite strike in 1947 was followed by the successful Teare strike and later the Enmore Strike in April 1948. These convulsive events, triggered by the desperate poverty unleashed by the falling price of sugar throughout the 1930s and the great depression, strongly influenced the formation of the Peoples’ Progressive Party. Adult suffrage and Independence were now placed on the agenda.

Indian workers, the descendants of indentured labourers, followed the lead of the PPP and fully supported an Independent Guyana. They never wavered. The united PPP also had the support of African professionals, the middle class and workers and other ethnic groups. The division of the PPP in 1955 did not materially alter the overwhelming support of Guyanese for independence.

As Guyanese celebrate the Golden Jubilee, Indians can proudly stand tall, knowing that they have contributed fully to the economic, social and political development of Guyana along with all other Guyanese. It might not always have been obvious. It might not even be acknowledged or wish to be acknowledged. But Guyana has always been a partnership between various ethnic groups and it is that partnership which has shaped Guyana and has brought us to where we are today, an Independent nation, which has survived severe internal stresses and traumas, which has to contend with major problems of poverty and crime, but which accepts its multi-ethnic and multi-cultural heritage and looks forward to a great future. If this partnership did not exist Guyana would today have been two truncated, half, countries.

The challenge for us on this Golden Jubilee of our Independence is to decide whether our Guyana home will continue to be a politically divided one, and forever remain a developing country with potential, rather than a developed country. A great possibility is available, and that is to transform the unacknowledged cooperation that has seen Guyana sustain itself as one country, into acknowledged political cooperation which will add a new dimension and vast possibilities to the ethno-political system that has emerged in Guyana.

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More needs to be written about the struggles of the coolies for a better life in Guyana and how that struggle has evolved itself today. The world knows about African slavery and how much suffering it caused the Africa people.  But, the world knows little about our struggle for survival and freedom. Even some of our own people have no idea about their history. 

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Even some of our own people have no idea about their history. 

Some of our own people have no one else to blame but themselves for this shortcoming. Do they make an effort to acquire relevant books and articles? When I was a young man, I bought a copy of Dwarka Nath's "History of East Indians in Guyana". From that small beginning I later acquired more books including "Centenary History of the East Indians of British Guiana" by Peter Ruhomon. Before personal computers I used to collect newspaper clippings on the subject.

As of now, there is an abundance of literature specifically on Indian immigration to Guyana and the Caribbean and one can Google the subject and get 93,300 pieces on Indo-Guyanese. As the years pass more research is undertaken on various aspects of Indian existence, including biographies, memoirs and autobiographies. There is one on Yesu Persaud, for example, and another on the founder of the Man Power Citizens Association, Ayube Edun. I think some of these books should be reprinted and this is where Indo-Guyanese religious and social organizations can pitch in.

Our own people have to get up and get to expand their knowledge. To paraphrase a popular saying, you can take a horse to the water but you cannot force the horse to drink the water. He must be thirsty. Same goes for knowledge.

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Gil, you are talking as if alot has been written and we are very lazy to read and research. The fact remains that relatively little has been written about us as a people in the Caribbean.

Burnham denied Indians from learning Hindi in school. That's a big chunk of our heritage stolen from us.

FM
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Cobra posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Gil, you are talking as if alot has been written and we are very lazy to read and research. The fact remains that relatively little has been written about us as a people in the Caribbean.

Burnham denied Indians from learning Hindi in school. That's a big chunk of our heritage stolen from us.

Hindi was not a subject in gov't schools,it was taught at hindu temples i was a student up to 11 yrs old.

You are loosing your credibility.

Django
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VishMahabir posted:

This is a good piece. Granger now has to find a way to make Indians feel as though they are part of this country, and not simply supporters of the PPP.

And why doesn't Jagdeo have an obligation to communicate to the African and mixed populations, that should the PPP return to office, that they will be fairly treated

Why is it always up to blacks to reassure Indians, without Indians having similar obligations.

You may wish to deny this, as you seek to pretend as if you know all about Afro Guyanese, that on May 2015, when they heard that the PPP had lost, that they felt that they could finally expect to be included in what it was to be Guyanese again.

It appears as if Africans, and Indians, maybe mixed, and definitely Amerindians all feel that they have been excluded, and all need to be reassured that they can expect fairness.

But, as is typical of you, your concern is only about Indians. Then you will want to know why some Africans will go to great lengths to ensure that the PPP never wins power again.

FM
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Cobra posted:
 

Burnham denied Indians from learning Hindi in school.

Why should the government pay for people to learn in a language which wasn't an official language of Guyana?

What would you do if you had to learn Twi in school?

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Gil, you are talking as if alot has been written and we are very lazy to read and research. The fact remains that relatively little has been written about us as a people in the Caribbean.

Very little has been written about Guyanese history, most likely because Burnham and Cheddi preferred a narrative that the masses did nothing, prior to 1953.  This to ensure a God like reverence from the population.

When we learned Caribbean history in school, it was basically Bajan, and Jamaican history.  That is because they document theirs, and we don't.

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Gil, you are talking as if alot has been written and we are very lazy to read and research. The fact remains that relatively little has been written about us as a people in the Caribbean.

How much has been written about Afro Guyanese?   Way less than is the case for Indo Guyanese.

Guyanese on the whole haven't written our various histories. 

Do you know that significant numbers of Africans arrived in Guyana AFTER slavery ended? Some rescued from slave ships illegally sailing to Cuba, or Brazil.  Others being recruited from Sierra Leone?  Very few black Guyanese know this, except a few people in the villages that these people founded.

FM
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Django posted:
Cobra posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Gil, you are talking as if alot has been written and we are very lazy to read and research. The fact remains that relatively little has been written about us as a people in the Caribbean.

Burnham denied Indians from learning Hindi in school. That's a big chunk of our heritage stolen from us.

Hindi was not a subject in gov't schools,it was taught at hindu temples i was a student up to 11 yrs old.

You are loosing your credibility.

In Fiji the schools taught English, the local Fijian language and Hindi. Last summer I met a fella from Fiji touring in Canada. He was close to 70 years old. So, he was a colonial.

S
Django posted:
Cobra posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Gil, you are talking as if alot has been written and we are very lazy to read and research. The fact remains that relatively little has been written about us as a people in the Caribbean.

Burnham denied Indians from learning Hindi in school. That's a big chunk of our heritage stolen from us.

Hindi was not a subject in gov't schools,it was taught at hindu temples i was a student up to 11 yrs old.

You are loosing your credibility.

How does one lose what they never had?

cain
seignet posted:
 

In Fiji the schools taught English, the local Fijian language and Hindi. Last summer I met a fella from Fiji touring in Canada. He was close to 70 years old. So, he was a colonial.

That is Fiji. This is Guyana.  They don't teach Twi in schools in Guyana, so why should they teach Hindi?  If people wish their kids to learn these languages, then they should make their own arrangements.

Why should Hindi be singled out for special treatment in a land where the majority (including most Indians) have no interest in it?

FM
caribny posted:
Cobra posted:
 

Burnham denied Indians from learning Hindi in school.

Why should the government pay for people to learn in a language which wasn't an official language of Guyana?

What would you do if you had to learn Twi in school?

French and Spanish are language options in US schools paid by the Govt.  These were also language options in Guyana's schools! 

The Govt should pay, because the Govt collect taxes and should spend it where the people ask!

Now, gwan your lil racist rass da-side!!

FM
caribny posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Gil, you are talking as if alot has been written and we are very lazy to read and research. The fact remains that relatively little has been written about us as a people in the Caribbean.

How much has been written about Afro Guyanese?   Way less than is the case for Indo Guyanese.

Guyanese on the whole haven't written our various histories. 

Do you know that significant numbers of Africans arrived in Guyana AFTER slavery ended? Some rescued from slave ships illegally sailing to Cuba, or Brazil.  Others being recruited from Sierra Leone?  Very few black Guyanese know this, except a few people in the villages that these people founded.

Interesting.  It should be documented for people to know.  It should also be taught in Guyana schools as part of local history!

FM
ba$eman posted:
caribny posted:
Cobra posted:
 

Burnham denied Indians from learning Hindi in school.

Why should the government pay for people to learn in a language which wasn't an official language of Guyana?

What would you do if you had to learn Twi in school?

French and Spanish are language options in US schools paid by the Govt.  These were also language options in Guyana's schools! 

The Govt should pay, because the Govt collect taxes and should spend it where the people ask!

Now, gwan your lil racist rass da-side!!

Queens College is looking for a French teacher.  Does anyone know anyone?  I was asked but decided I couldn't live on the salary.  

Bibi Haniffa

As a teen I read extensively Dwarka Nath's work. The man was a giant when it came to documenting the historical existence of East Indians in Guyana. Yet today the man's work is not even known by most East Indian youth in Guyana.

Prashad
Prashad posted:

East Indian youth in Guyana should be given options of choosing and learning either Hindi, Urdu or Sanskrit in classes during the summer break.

Maybe too late most are westernized.

Django
ba$eman posted:
 

French and Spanish are language options in US schools paid by the Govt.  These were also language options in Guyana's schools! 

The Govt should pay, because the Govt collect taxes and should spend it where the people ask!

Now, gwan your lil racist rass da-side!!

French and Spanish have real use, as they are very important global languages.  Ditto with Chinese, which is also a growing language being taught in schools

Now of what use is Hindi. And do you demand that it be taught because it is useful, or because you want taxpayers to pay for you to retain your ancient heritage.

Now what Guyanese need to learn is Portuguese, and Spanish. Given that 99% of us don't speak it, to me that is the real crisis!

FM
Prashad posted:

East Indian youth in Guyana should be given options of choosing and learning either Hindi, Urdu or Sanskrit in classes during the summer break.

And what is preventing them from learning it?

Aaah.  Almost no one speaks those languages fluently any more, because there is no need to!

FM

I had Spanish in High school in Guyana...languages like Urdu and Hindi were taught at the local mosque or temple...

Maybe when Prashad return to split up Guyana, he can teach Hindi to the 5 people on the Indo side

FM
RiffRaff posted:

Maybe when Prashad return to split up Guyana, he can teach Hindi to the 5 people on the Indo side

Wrong interpretation of Prashad's goal. No splitting involved; the Guyana map will remain the same. The intention is to orchestrate a mass movement of the Indians to a specific portion of Guyana where they would have an autonomous democratic administration. Ravi Dev had elaborated on the concept. i wish Prashad well in working to accomplish that dream but I fear it would not happen in his lifetime. 

Calling Prash: Am I understanding you correctly?

FM

The Ravi Dev approach will not work because the problems of a declining people, a culture that is seen as foreign to the dominant Caribbean culture, hostile race hate and being seen as a weak and insignificant using people will remain. Only the creation of an independent country/ nation state for the East Indian people of Guyana, douglas who embrace their Indian heritage and allies of the Guyanese East Indian people will work.

Prashad
Prashad posted:

The Ravi Dev approach will not work because the problems of a declining people, a culture that is seen as foreign to the dominant Caribbean culture, hostile race hate and being seen as a weak and insignificant using people will remain. Only the creation of an independent country/ nation state for the East Indian people of Guyana, douglas who embrace their Indian heritage and allies of the Guyanese East Indian people will work.

Thanks for clarifying, Prashad.

Calling Riff Raff: I apologize. "split up" it is.

FM
caribny posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Gil, you are talking as if alot has been written and we are very lazy to read and research. The fact remains that relatively little has been written about us as a people in the Caribbean.

How much has been written about Afro Guyanese?   Way less than is the case for Indo Guyanese.

Guyanese on the whole haven't written our various histories. 

Do you know that significant numbers of Africans arrived in Guyana AFTER slavery ended? Some rescued from slave ships illegally sailing to Cuba, or Brazil.  Others being recruited from Sierra Leone?  Very few black Guyanese know this, except a few people in the villages that these people founded.

Very few Guyanese know that some fanatic blacks from the GDF joined Cuban troops to fight in Angola. Some of them were killed.  The PNC keeps this hidden up until this day.

Billy Ram Balgobin
caribny posted:
Prashad posted:

 Yet today the man's work is not even known by most East Indian youth in Guyana.

Yes I know.  Blackman to blame for that too!

Caribbeanj is trying to turn the idea in racism against the black people. Thereby getting sympathy from African Guyanese. Having an independent country is not about race. It is about protecting the gains we have made as a people from the time our ancestors lived in the huts vacated by ex slaves to the present. I refuse to watch our people turn into a Portugeese type population in Guyana.

Prashad
Prashad posted:

It may not happen in my life time but it will happen. 

You do know that Indians are fleeing the most intensely Indian part of Guyana. Many going to Region 4, where Indians are a MINORITY.

Apparently they don't desire the Indesh that you, living in North America, with your mixed race family, desire.  

And when you get into defining who is "Indian enough", understand that there will be many who will claim that you are engaged in douglarization.  It will not only be up to you to define who meets your standard of Indian "purity".

FM
Prashad posted:
caribny posted:
Prashad posted:

 Yet today the man's work is not even known by most East Indian youth in Guyana.

Yes I know.  Blackman to blame for that too!

Caribbeanj is trying to turn the idea in racism against the black people. .

My point is that if Indians aren't interested then that is their issue.  NOT a result of this Caribbean black hostility to Indian identity, which you always whine about.

You however wish to portray Indians as this beleaguered group who face daily harassment from blacks.

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
 

Very few Guyanese know that some fanatic blacks from the GDF joined Cuban troops to fight in Angola. Some of them were killed.  The PNC keeps this hidden up until this day.

You mightn't have known that, but that fact is well known.

That is why the USA began to harass Burnham, and thought of him as an anti Western communist.

They didn't give two hoots about the nationalizations, as in fact those companies were properly compensated......some even arguing OVER compensated.

FM
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caribny posted:
Prashad posted:

It may not happen in my life time but it will happen. 

You do know that Indians are fleeing the most intensely Indian part of Guyana. Many going to Region 4, where Indians are a MINORITY.

Apparently they don't desire the Indesh that you, living in North America, with your mixed race family, desire.  

And when you get into defining who is "Indian enough", understand that there will be many who will claim that you are engaged in douglarization.  It will not only be up to you to define who meets your standard of Indian "purity".

Caribbeanj your point is well taken. But I hope in your life time you will have to decide if you are an Allie or an allien. 

 

Prashad
Prashad posted:
caribny posted:
Prashad posted:

It may not happen in my life time but it will happen. 

You do know that Indians are fleeing the most intensely Indian part of Guyana. Many going to Region 4, where Indians are a MINORITY.

Apparently they don't desire the Indesh that you, living in North America, with your mixed race family, desire.  

And when you get into defining who is "Indian enough", understand that there will be many who will claim that you are engaged in douglarization.  It will not only be up to you to define who meets your standard of Indian "purity".

Caribbeanj your point is well taken. But I hope in your life time you will have to decide if you are an Allie or an allien. 

 

In 1999, after the racial violence, Indians swore that they would abandon G/T and that "blackman would starve".

17 years later they have done no such thing.   So stop embarrassing yourself that a new Indesh will arise to "protect Indians against savage blackman".

FM

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