ksazma posted:

 

If you analyze your comments carefully, you would have no trouble recognizing that your comments are all about race. 

I came to this board when blacks were denigrated.  Blacks continue to be denigrated in this board and the moderators do NOTHING to stop it.  It is therefore my mission to ensure that those who are racist on this board be exposed.

Now if you don't like this then you too need to stop people from denigrating Kwe Kwe and other aspects of Afro Guyanese.

And I make remarks on all subjects.  You only notice mine about Indians because you wish to turn a blind eye to Indian racism.  I remember confronting you about how the PPP excluded blacks.  You disputed this and then found excuses to ignore it. Now we live to see the day that you and others scream that Granger now excludes Indians.

Then you want to know why I am compelled to react. As one of the few black posters, maybe the only black who posts frequently I will NOT allow Indians to denigrate blacks and let this go unchallenged.

ba$eman posted:

 You claim "Creole", but Afro-Guyanese did bring and do exhibit some of the behaviors you find in Africa.  I lived in India, and Guyanese Indians are different from Indians and even in India, there are very big differences, urban/rural, religion, region.

Like what aspects?   Caribbean women live in a very different world from Africans. When a Caribbean woman marries she marries her husband. If her family doesn't like it then they will have to accept it or prepare to have her then cease to engage with them.  There is no larger cultural sanctions on how Caribbean women chose to select their husbands.

And you may wish to bring in Indo Guyanese. I made no mention of them on this topic. And in fact this should be a lesson to those Indo Guyanese who chose to pretend that they are of India.  As is the case with Afro Guyanese many of the more barbaric aspects of those cultures were left on the other side.  

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 You claim "Creole", but Afro-Guyanese did bring and do exhibit some of the behaviors you find in Africa.  I lived in India, and Guyanese Indians are different from Indians and even in India, there are very big differences, urban/rural, religion, region.

Like what aspects?   Caribbean women live in a very different world from Africans. When a Caribbean woman marries she marries her husband. If her family doesn't like it then they will have to accept it or prepare to have her then cease to engage with them.  There is no larger cultural sanctions on how Caribbean women chose to select their husbands.

And you may wish to bring in Indo Guyanese. I made no mention of them on this topic. And in fact this should be a lesson to those Indo Guyanese who chose to pretend that they are of India.  As is the case with Afro Guyanese many of the more barbaric aspects of those cultures were left on the other side.  

Good Sunday Morning.  You are a jackass who just like to parse your self out of your own traditional shit but then throw others into theirs.  Indians of Guyana maintain certain traditions but we are different in many way to Indians of India.

As I said to you, in Guyana growing up in an Afro village, I saw some of the worse DV among your people.  My parents would intervene and many Black women would say they wished their husbands were more like Indian man, hard working and dedicated to family!  So stop being pretentious!

caribny posted:

 

Afro Caribbean women are in fact very independent and Afro Caribbean families are matriarchal.  Its the women who run the households.  And in fact you should add that if a woman marries a wife beating husband often times her male relatives go to this man and beat is ass up.

In my opinion Indian women are more victimized by their husbands than black women. But black women have their problems also. For one, they are more susceptible to being left alone to take care of their children as many black men abandon them and their children. That in a sense is also being victimized by their husbands, or in the case of many of these black men, their men. I know this black Trinidadian woman who has 5 children with 5 different fathers.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 

If you analyze your comments carefully, you would have no trouble recognizing that your comments are all about race. 

I came to this board when blacks were denigrated.  Blacks continue to be denigrated in this board and the moderators do NOTHING to stop it.  It is therefore my mission to ensure that those who are racist on this board be exposed.

Now if you don't like this then you too need to stop people from denigrating Kwe Kwe and other aspects of Afro Guyanese.

And I make remarks on all subjects.  You only notice mine about Indians because you wish to turn a blind eye to Indian racism.  I remember confronting you about how the PPP excluded blacks.  You disputed this and then found excuses to ignore it. Now we live to see the day that you and others scream that Granger now excludes Indians.

Then you want to know why I am compelled to react. As one of the few black posters, maybe the only black who posts frequently I will NOT allow Indians to denigrate blacks and let this go unchallenged.

First of all, I don't remember screaming about Granger excluding Indians. I reference the PPP and PNC and am fully aware that for as long as the two parties existed, there were major players in both that included Indians and blacks. The PNC has always been a disaster. You take umbrage to that because you see the PNC as a black party. Now you support the APNU/AFC party because you see it as a black coalition. You supported the AFC when Trotman was the presidential but not when Ramjattan was. All clear evidence that you are race centric. Lastly, I hardly see any comments from you on anything except race issues. You need to expand your interests. 

Caribj sees everything thru his racist lenses. His hate for Indians is eating him from the inside.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

 

Afro Caribbean women are in fact very independent and Afro Caribbean families are matriarchal.  Its the women who run the households.  And in fact you should add that if a woman marries a wife beating husband often times her male relatives go to this man and beat is ass up.

In my opinion Indian women are more victimized by their husbands than black women. But black women have their problems also. For one, they are more susceptible to being left alone to take care of their children as many black men abandon them and their children. That in a sense is also being victimized by their husbands, or in the case of many of these black men, their men. I know this black Trinidadian woman who has 5 children with 5 different fathers.

Maybe, but are both a result of the same issue, misunderstandings?  Indian man act out one way, Black men another.

I know a Black Guyanese family in NJ and one son [of four] married to an Indian.  The Black Mother-In-Law [and late father in law] complained that their Indian daughter-in-law is the most difficult and divisive in the family.  She say she is always in conflict with her other sisters-in-law over one thing or another.  She said she would take another Black daughter-in-law anytime as her son see stars!

I could not comment as my family has not have multi-racial issues except two White males, who don't really give a shyte who talking and who ain't!  We just knock bottle when we meet up!

I know some coolie gyals could be mouthy and troublesome, but I figure is normal, except for the extremes!

ba$eman posted:

 

Maybe, but are both a result of the same issue, misunderstandings?  Indian man act out one way, Black men another.

 

Perhaps. Generally Indian men act out of jealousy while black men act out of irresponsibility. Both are bad. 

ksazma posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

Maybe, but are both a result of the same issue, misunderstandings?  Indian man act out one way, Black men another.

 

Perhaps. Generally Indian men act out of jealousy while black men act out of irresponsibility. Both are bad. 

Jealousy a or something else conflicting within!

This black guy who used to supply our shop with bread used to say that he didn't care if his wife had a sweetman as long as she brings the money to him.   Funny thing is that he was married to an Indian woman. That said, you would be hard pressed to know that she was Indian as she completely adopted the mannerisms of a black woman. That black man was someone you can count on though. Our bread was made fresh every day. 

ksazma posted:

This black guy who used to supply our shop with bread used to say that he didn't care if his wife had a sweetman as long as she brings the money to him.   Funny thing is that he was married to an Indian woman. That said, you would be hard pressed to know that she was Indian as she completely adopted the mannerisms of a black woman. That black man was someone you can count on though. Our bread was made fresh every day. 

Suh, is like, there is a Romance Man and a Finance Man in the drama.

ksazma posted:

This black guy who used to supply our shop with bread used to say that he didn't care if his wife had a sweetman as long as she brings the money to him.   Funny thing is that he was married to an Indian woman. That said, you would be hard pressed to know that she was Indian as she completely adopted the mannerisms of a black woman. That black man was someone you can count on though. Our bread was made fresh every day. 

It's written that man should  not live by sweat alone. 

seignet posted:

ksazma posted:

This black guy who used to supply our shop with bread used to say that he didn't care if his wife had a sweetman as long as she brings the money to him.   Funny thing is that he was married to an Indian woman. That said, you would be hard pressed to know that she was Indian as she completely adopted the mannerisms of a black woman. That black man was someone you can count on though. Our bread was made fresh every day. 

Suh, is like, there is a Romance Man and a Finance Man in the drama.

Maybe. I only had to keep my white sweet ohman patacake happy. 

ksazma posted:

. For one, they are more susceptible to being left alone to take care of their children as many black men abandon them and their children. That in a sense is also being victimized by their husbands, .

Why? If the man is no good then he should go and Afro Carib women are quite willing to throw them out. 

Because the Indo Carib culture is more patriarchal Indo women are often less able to do so, then they encounter endless abuse.  And this does include from their in-laws.

Mitwah posted:

Caribj sees everything thru his racist lenses. His hate for Indians is eating him from the inside.

Upset that your support for wives being beaten by their in laws has been exposed.

ksazma posted:

. You take umbrage to that because you see the PNC as a black party. . 

You know what is hilarious about you.  I am on record for saying that the PNC is racist towards Indians and also simultaneously destroyed blacks.  And in fact I have argued with Baseman, chief and others who claimed that blacks benefitted from Burnham.

That you then concoct a notion that I have some sort of racial loyalty towards them is rather odd.

Now you can continue to pretend that the PPP didn't engage in systematic exclusion of blacks, especially during the Jagdeo/Ramotar era.  I had several arguments about this when the PPP was in power and you denied this to be a fact, but then couldn't furnish the names of blacks who headed state owned corporations, commissions or committees.

ksazma posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

Maybe, but are both a result of the same issue, misunderstandings?  Indian man act out one way, Black men another.

 

Perhaps. Generally Indian men act out of jealousy while black men act out of irresponsibility. Both are bad. 

Its a known fact that in some rural areas on pay day the Indians wives had to go and snatch the pay before their husbands drank it out and then came home to beat them if there was no food to eat.

Is this responsible behavior?   I think that the heritage that both groups have from the sugar plantations led to the development of very bad behaviors among segments.

This of course distracts from the original thesis as to whether certain behaviors were sanctioned by culture, or seen as being deviant.

A black man breeding several women and then abandoning them all is deviant. As is an Indian man who chops up his wife because he didn't like the skimpy meal that she had as he drank out his pay.  These are seen as deviant.

A wife in India beaten up by her in-laws is sanctioned by culture, even if in this modern era, is illegal.  Those people felt entitled to do what they did and will not even deep in their hearts know that they were wrong.

A drunken wife beater or a philandering man both know that they are wrong and if accused will deny their behavior.  The "is not me child, she gat nuff man" lament.  Or the " me was drunk. me en gun do it again".