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Indians in the US make the most because they studied the most

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October 23, 2014

It seems pretty clear.

 

 

A recent paper from the US Department of Labor spotlighted the diverse earnings dynamics among America’s racial and ethnic groups. This simple takeaway is that those who identify as Indian have earnings that are head and shoulders above the rest. In 2013, the median weekly earnings of Indians was nearly $1,300 a week, for those age 16 and above. That was more than 17% higher than the $1,100 in median weekly earnings reported by those who identify as Japanese.

 

 

 

The reason for this is no huge surprise. Education levels among those who identify as Indian are incredibly high: Roughly 76% of those above the age of 25 have graduated from college. “For these ethnic groups, education explains most of the wage differences, since on average Indian, Japanese, and Chinese workers have higher levels of education than the rest of the labor force (education explains half to three-quarters of the observed wage gaps),” Department of Labor analysts wrote in the report.

 

 

 

Of course, this simple answer also raises a whole bunch of complex questions. Why are levels of educational attainment so high among Indians? Where do the people who identify as Indian do their schooling? How much did it cost? How much of their outsized earnings potential is related to their pathway to the US?

 

 

After all, over 70% of people identifying as Indians, according to the Department of Labor’s report were foreign-born. (According to Pew Research, 87.2% of adult Indian-Americans were foreign born in 2010.) And the pathway of many Indian immigrants to the US is much more closely linked to high-skilled employment than other immigrant groups. For example in 2011 about half of the Indian immigrants who received permanent residency in the US with a “green card” had employee sponsorship, much higher than most other Asian groups—except Koreans—according to Pew Research. Indians also dominate among recipients of the US H1-B visa program(pdf), which lets companies hire workers trained for specialty jobs for up to six years.

 

 

To be sure, Indian-Americans can be justly proud of the success they’ve had in the states.

 

 

But it’s important to note that the structure of the Indian community in the US is also heavily tilted toward professionals who are already highly educated when they arrive. In other words, there’s something of a selection bias at work in these numbers. The story of Indian immigration to the US has been one of America cherry-picking India’s higher-earning professionals, making income comparison with America’s other ethnic groups somewhat problematic.

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Most indians who come here are the crem de la crem in their society and from the top 4 schools. If a statistical instrument with the same top percentage of the society of india and here is calculated the earning power will be vastly skewed in favor of whites with blacks and Indians very close behind. The average Indian professional does not make more than the average black professional. White professional has the advantage of race so they get the top positions in any company.

FM

Storm the statistics is saying very clearly that Indians are earning much more than blacks and whites. Go back and read the article. If you disagree with the data then you disagree with the data. I don't care one way or the other I am just reading the data.

 

FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Storm the statistics is saying very clearly that Indians are earning much more than blacks and whites. Go back and read the article. If you disagree with the data then you disagree with the data. I don't care one way or the other I am just reading the data.

 

 

I saw the data but it is for Indian earning power from a class selected by  education and given high paying jobs to start with against the general population. It gives gives wrong impression that there is an even weight in the data.  It is not a normal sample.

 

To be fair it has to be compared with  black population of similar earning power and education. Indians in general do not earn more than blacks of the same educational standing.

 

That is what I am saying. Compared to the same black demographic here they are on par but both Indians and blacks would be far outpaced by whites similarly placed.

 

 

FM
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My man this is from the department of labor data this information is gathered across the entire spectrum.

 

The article is not claiming that a subset of indians are making x. It is saying across the board indians are outpacing not only blacks but look at it every other ethnic group.

 

I think if we did the analysis you are asking for you would also see that maybe whites out rank Indians since there are probably more White CEO's than indian CEOs.

 

Anyway, the data stands its an interesting report.

FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

My man this is from the department of labor data this information is gathered across the entire spectrum.

 

The article is not claiming that a subset of indians are making x. It is saying across the board indians are outpacing not only blacks but look at it every other ethnic group.

 

I think if we did the analysis you are asking for you would also see that maybe whites out rank Indians since there are probably more White CEO's than indian CEOs.

 

Anyway, the data stands its an interesting report.

 You are missing my point. These are not the everyman indian. These are a select few transplanted here because of education and handed jobs. I used to train  these fellows. They were as dumb as the next man but work very hard. African or white programmers are not in short supply. The companies prefer lower paid indians and these fellows work hard since they know they are given an opportunity. The truth be told they depress the price of labor in these areas.

 

Back to the point, these people are now in the general population and cut it any way, that are an artificial demographic that never had to meet the social stresses of Africans or Hispanics or even poor whites.

 

As such they represent a skewed sample when taken as a whole in a comparative with others. They will score higher because they were selected to be so from inception or they would not be given that HIB visa!!

 

this affirms what I said

But it’s important to note that the structure of the Indian community in the US is also heavily tilted toward professionals who are already highly educated when they arrive. In other words, there’s something of a selection bias at work in these numbers.

FM
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in short...since only only the good ones come here, you can't really compare against them against the other races which are already here...whites, blacks, hispanic etc...I get what Storm is saying

FM
Originally Posted by RiffRaff:

in short...since only only the good ones come here, you can't really compare against them against the other races which are already here...whites, blacks, hispanic etc...I get what Storm is saying

 

I agree with that, the indians who are coming here are mostly professionals on work visas so that is indeed a major disadvantage to any other group.

 

I think the same can be made for Japanese folks migrating to the US. Most of them are professionals also.

FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

My man this is from the department of labor data this information is gathered across the entire spectrum.

 

The article is not claiming that a subset of indians are making x. It is saying across the board indians are outpacing not only blacks but look at it every other ethnic group.

 

I think if we did the analysis you are asking for you would also see that maybe whites out rank Indians since there are probably more White CEO's than indian CEOs.

 

Anyway, the data stands its an interesting report.

I hope that you know that these stats refer to Asian Indians, and that these same Indians lambaste Indo Caribbean people as lacking an interest in education, and being very unproductive on the whole.

FM
Originally Posted by RiffRaff:

in short...since only only the good ones come here, you can't really compare against them against the other races which are already here...whites, blacks, hispanic etc...I get what Storm is saying

And the same applies when Asian Indians compare themselves with Indo Caribbean people and then walk away feeling superior.  Indeed on another forum that I visit one of them blamed Caribbean Indians for "abandoning" their culture, and thus becoming losers.

 

Reality is that of all the cow herders and others arrived from India they would have become a huge social problems just as Cambodians and others have become.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

My man this is from the department of labor data this information is gathered across the entire spectrum.

 

The article is not claiming that a subset of indians are making x. It is saying across the board indians are outpacing not only blacks but look at it every other ethnic group.

 

I think if we did the analysis you are asking for you would also see that maybe whites out rank Indians since there are probably more White CEO's than indian CEOs.

 

Anyway, the data stands its an interesting report.

I hope that you know that these stats refer to Asian Indians, and that these same Indians lambaste Indo Caribbean people as lacking an interest in education, and being very unproductive on the whole.

Yes I am very aware that this mostly identifies the indians in the report as those from the subcontinent and not necessarily from Guyana and the Caribbean though it would be interesting to see that study as well. The data may be a bit more difficult to ascertain but it would be interesting to see none the less.

FM

Another set of data from a completely different angle also produced this report. Again more interesting data.....mapping distribution of income by religious belief.

 

You can view it better from this link

 

http://awesome.good.is/transpa...hty-dollar/flat.html

 

 

 

mapping distribution

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Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Storm the statistics is saying very clearly that Indians are earning much more than blacks and whites. Go back and read the article. If you disagree with the data then you disagree with the data. I don't care one way or the other I am just reading the data.

 

 

Indians across at the world are hardworking and study hard to get where they are.

 

The performance of Blacks in the report is very troubling, similar to Guyana.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Storm the statistics is saying very clearly that Indians are earning much more than blacks and whites. Go back and read the article. If you disagree with the data then you disagree with the data. I don't care one way or the other I am just reading the data.

 

 

Indians across at the world are hardworking and study hard to get where they are.

 

The performance of Blacks in the report is very troubling, similar to Guyana.

You are an idiot and it is not surprising that you are unable to grasp basic facts from the article but you choose to demonstrate your ignorance and low intelligence by commenting on matters you don't understand quite fully and then try to drag into a discussion about race.

 

You low class ahole.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

The report speaks for itself. 

It sure does, too bad you don't understand the report. This also clearly exposes your lack of any proper education from an institution of higher learning.

 

Dummy.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Ha Ha !

 

The report is there for all to see. 

Is that your nervous giggle where you recognized that you open your mouth only to give away the fact that you are a high school dropout?

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Chinese, whom the AFC cuss all day long are in the top three.

Banna listen this is not a topic for high school drop outs. Guh back to one of dem article cheering Uncle Donald along or one of them other we care posts.

 

This one only embarrassing your high school dropout ass more and more.

FM

Ha Ha !

 

It will only take KN to distort the truth and numbers. Please contact them if you need to distort the truth.

 

Numbers do not lie.

FM
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Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Storm the statistics is saying very clearly that Indians are earning much more than blacks and whites. Go back and read the article. If you disagree with the data then you disagree with the data. I don't care one way or the other I am just reading the data.

 

 

Indians across at the world are hardworking and study hard to get where they are.

 

The performance of Blacks in the report is very troubling, similar to Guyana.

Overall educational performance in Guyana is ABYSMAL and Guyana is among the WORST educationally in the Caribbean, so spare us your racism. It is obvious that the average Indian in Guyana does WORSE in school than do blacks in islands like Barbados, Antigua, St Kitts, St Lucia, and maybe even Jamaica, which beat Guyana by wide margins in English and Math.

 

Go ask yourself why a the PPP is doing so a lousy job and stop ensuring that the PPPs support declines as PPP supporters continue to display their racism.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Indians in the US make the most because they studied the most

INDIAN Guyanese go to under performing schools like Richmond Hill and others and so clearly ARE NOT DOING WELL.

 

Vishnu has written often on this!

 

Stop trying to hide under the Asian Indians who have NOTHING nice to say about Indians from Guyana!

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Numbers don't lie.

True.  The numbers provided by the NYC Planning Dept indicate that Guyanese have HIGHER drop out rates in NYC than do Jamaicans or Haitians.  While the numbers aren't broken out by race it seems obvious that either Afro Guyanese are way UNDER performing Haitians......not likely....or Indo Guyanese are doing worse than some of their Afro Caribbean counterparts.

 

You wish to peddle your racism against blacks by hiding behind Asian Indians, but its clear that Indo Guyanese have huge problems, so I suggest that your take your racist behind and focus on that.

FM
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr Horsie how come they dont make so much money in India? 

I thought you retire? like Clarissa got to skin you up again? 

 

tyrone retires

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