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Where is the Leader of the Opposition going with this social contract business?

 

Quoted from SN

 

"Granger, in another Stabroek News (SN) report, in referring to APNU’s ‘Social Contract’ proposal said: “I think it is a serious decision. I pointed out that APNU is committed to inclusionary democracy …APNU from the start of its campaign has proclaimed adhesion to the constitutional injunction under Article 13 that the aim of our political system is to create [an] inclusionary democracy.”

 

 

Granger committed to inclusionary democracy but the PPP rejects it.  So where is Granger going.  You cannot marry a woman who refuses to me married.

 

 

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Granger talked about inclusionary democracy. He didn't talk about creating a coalition government with the PPP. So why you talking about marriage when the couple are not even dating? This is not an arranged marriage.

Mr.T

Mr. T.  Let us pick sense from nonsense.

 

The Guyanese political economy presents us with a paradox.

 

There is a social contract between the PPP and the Jagdeo cabal  - for their political obedience, they get "policy goods and services" from the PPP - contracts, wealth, status, social elevation in the society, access to OP etc.

 

In return, the PPP can call on them for advocacy support any time of the day and to act as the money launderers to wash the PPP boys ill gotten gains.

 

 

There is no social contract between the PPP and the working class and the opposition since the PPP has clearly made their case that there is no need for one and they do not need one.

 

So where is Granger going with this rotten IDEA?

 

He cannot impose any social contract on anybody since he does not have the power or the instrument of authority to do so; only the President has that power.

 

What Granger has to do and what he is shying away from is to up the level of militancy in the street with the workers.

 

But it was Granager who foolishly said that the APNU does not want to politicise the worker's issue?

 

Yet again failing the people.

 

His political in-experience is showing and maybe the PNC needs new leadership.

 

 

DR Henry Jefrrey was so correct.  The PPP seems as they are on the road to victory again.

 

FM
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WHAATAX, the PPP knows Granger is talking nonsense.

 

Granger’s proposed “social contract” is a contradiction – Rohee

JANUARY 8, 2014 | BY  | FILED UNDER NEWS 

 

 
General Secretary of the People’s Progressive Party (PPP) Civic, Clement Rohee says that the idea of a social contract which was proposed by Opposition Leader David Granger is a contradiction to the actions which were shown by the party. Granger, at A Partnership for National Unity (APNU)’s last press conference, had said that the proposed social contract would promote national unity, ensure human safety and foster economic development.

Clement Rohee

Clement Rohee

According to Rohee this “new notion” coming out from APNU is in contradiction, because the party seems against every major economic project in Guyana.
Rohee said that the proposal “appeared somewhat an apparent contradiction and the question that contradicts it: is how can you be proposing a social contract in respect of the body politics of our country when you have basically shot down a number of investment projects in this country”.
He said that the projects which were “shut down” by APNU “would have brought meaningful and purposeful development to Guyana, and would have seen an improvement of livelihoods for thousands of people across the country”.
“So right away I see an apparent contradiction when on the one hand these anti-progressive, anti -national, anti-business, anti-foreign investor positions have been taken within recent times…that should be explained by the callers of this social contract,” Rohee said.

FM
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr Granger is the best candidate. Who will they put? The lazies around him must step up/

You forsaken the old for the new. First, you worship Ramjattan and now you worship Granger. Make up your mind, madame! We don't need confused people on this board.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr Granger is the best candidate. Who will they put? The lazies around him must step up/

You forsaken the old for the new. First, you worship Ramjattan and now you worship Granger. Make up your mind, madame! We don't need confused people on this board.

Cobra, Don't talk to my Girl like that!!!!!!!!!!!  She treating me well.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr Granger is the best candidate. Who will they put? The lazies around him must step up/

You forsaken the old for the new. First, you worship Ramjattan and now you worship Granger. Make up your mind, madame! We don't need confused people on this board.

Cobra, Don't talk to my Girl like that!!!!!!!!!!!  She treating me well.

Is weh you korhee woman gone, bhai?

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr Granger is the best candidate. Who will they put? The lazies around him must step up/

You forsaken the old for the new. First, you worship Ramjattan and now you worship Granger. Make up your mind, madame! We don't need confused people on this board.

Cobra, Don't talk to my Girl like that!!!!!!!!!!!  She treating me well.

Is weh you korhee woman gone, bhai?

She gone ah market to buy Goat, she gun mek me a hot meal so I have lots of energy for later.

Nehru

 

Originally Posted by KishanB:

 

DR Henry Jefrrey was so correct.  The PPP seems as they are on the road to victory again.

 

 

* POOR KISHAN---His disappointment in his hero Granger is conspicuously palpable.

 

* Listen! Granger and APNU received 40.8% of the vote in 2011.

 

* They'd be lucky to match that in 2016.

 

Rev

 

 

FM
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Originally Posted by Rev:

 

Originally Posted by KishanB:

 

DR Henry Jefrrey was so correct.  The PPP seems as they are on the road to victory again.

 

 

* POOR KISHAN---His disappointment in his hero Granger is conspicuously palpable.

 

* Listen! Granger and APNU received 40.8% of the vote in 2011.

 

* They'd be lucky to match that in 2016.

 

Rev

 

 

Let me tell you devish rass a piece of my mind.  

 

I do not need your empathy.  Is the Guyanese people who continue to suffer because Granger cannot step up his game.

 

If the PPP win or loses, it does not change the price of cheese for me.

 

So haul your arse, you comic Mr. Rev.

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:
 

 I do not need your empathy.  


* Bwoy kishan, that's an unthankful heart you have there.

 

* No wonder you are consumed by sadness, gloominess, unhappiness, and cheerlessness.

 

* Anyway kishan, you are doing the right thing---lowering your expectations  for your beloved hero David Granger---he is guaranteed to lose in 2016.

 

Rev

FM
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Originally Posted by KishanB:

Where is the Leader of the Opposition going with this social contract business?

 

Quoted from SN

 

"Granger, in another Stabroek News (SN) report, in referring to APNU’s ‘Social Contract’ proposal said: “I think it is a serious decision. I pointed out that APNU is committed to inclusionary democracy …APNU from the start of its campaign has proclaimed adhesion to the constitutional injunction under Article 13 that the aim of our political system is to create [an] inclusionary democracy.”

 

 

Granger committed to inclusionary democracy but the PPP rejects it.  So where is Granger going.  You cannot marry a woman who refuses to me married.

 

 

 I do not like how he frames his social contract since implicitly there is a prior and foundational social contract that is being trampled by the PPP.

 

Inculsionary democracy is not about alliance with the PPP it is a condition that is au fait with the idea that the people are not incidental but a necessary part of democracy. It is an idea that is fundamental to a plural democracy with special attention to conditions that excludes groups ie race or in our case native peoples who have a natural patrimony separate and independent of others in the state. It is not about the PPP agreeing with the idea. It is a about selling the idea as foundational to nation building.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:

Danyael:

 

* What's with all the nonsensical rambling above ?

 

* You're not making any sense.

 

* Try again.

 

Rev

It's not Dan's problem that you lack comprehension. No wonder you did not pass Common Entrance.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

Granger's social contract includes National service and the formation of an egalitarian society.

 

National Service to rape and torture Indo Guyanese women ?

 

Never. This must never happen again in Guyana's history.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

Granger's social contract includes National service and the formation of an egalitarian society.

 

National Service to rape and torture Indo Guyanese women ?

 

Never. This must never happen again in Guyana's history.

You have no proof.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

Granger's social contract includes National service and the formation of an egalitarian society.

 

National Service to rape and torture Indo Guyanese women ?

 

Never. This must never happen again in Guyana's history.

You have no proof.

Some of the doctors who performed abortions on the Rape victims are still around. 

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

Granger's social contract includes National service and the formation of an egalitarian society.

 

National Service to rape and torture Indo Guyanese women ?

 

Never. This must never happen again in Guyana's history.

You have no proof.

Some of the doctors who performed abortions on the Rape victims are still around. 

You are an incorrigible liar. There are members in the current PPP cabal who are accused of raping young girls and the GOG is sweeping the allegations under the rug.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

Granger's social contract includes National service and the formation of an egalitarian society.

 

National Service to rape and torture Indo Guyanese women ?

 

Never. This must never happen again in Guyana's history.

You have no proof.

Some of the doctors who performed abortions on the Rape victims are still around. 

You are an incorrigible liar. There are members in the current PPP cabal who are accused of raping young girls and the GOG is sweeping the allegations under the rug.

That is not my problem.

You should worry about the conditions set down for you and TK to join the PNC.

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

Granger's social contract includes National service and the formation of an egalitarian society.

 

National Service to rape and torture Indo Guyanese women ?

 

Never. This must never happen again in Guyana's history.

You have no proof.

Some of the doctors who performed abortions on the Rape victims are still around. 

You are an incorrigible liar. There are members in the current PPP cabal who are accused of raping young girls and the GOG is sweeping the allegations under the rug.

That is not my problem.

You should worry about the conditions set down for you and TK to join the PNC.

You are drunk.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

Granger's social contract includes National service and the formation of an egalitarian society.

 

National Service to rape and torture Indo Guyanese women ?

 

Never. This must never happen again in Guyana's history.

You have no proof.

Some of the doctors who performed abortions on the Rape victims are still around. 

You are an incorrigible liar. There are members in the current PPP cabal who are accused of raping young girls and the GOG is sweeping the allegations under the rug.

That is not my problem.

You should worry about the conditions set down for you and TK to join the PNC.

You are drunk.

You are a recurring decimal.  You have NO INTELLIGENCE WHATSOEVER.

You fit in well with the PNC.  

 

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

Granger's social contract includes National service and the formation of an egalitarian society.

 

National Service to rape and torture Indo Guyanese women ?

 

Never. This must never happen again in Guyana's history.

You have no proof.

Some of the doctors who performed abortions on the Rape victims are still around. 

You are an incorrigible liar. There are members in the current PPP cabal who are accused of raping young girls and the GOG is sweeping the allegations under the rug.

That is not my problem.

You should worry about the conditions set down for you and TK to join the PNC.

You are drunk.

You are a recurring decimal.  You have NO INTELLIGENCE WHATSOEVER.

You fit in well with the PNC.  

 

Stop speaking to the man in the mirror.

 

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

Granger's social contract includes National service and the formation of an egalitarian society.

 

National Service to rape and torture Indo Guyanese women ?

 

Never. This must never happen again in Guyana's history.

You have no proof.

Some of the doctors who performed abortions on the Rape victims are still around. 

You are an incorrigible liar. There are members in the current PPP cabal who are accused of raping young girls and the GOG is sweeping the allegations under the rug.

That is not my problem.

You should worry about the conditions set down for you and TK to join the PNC.

You are drunk.

You are a recurring decimal.  You have NO INTELLIGENCE WHATSOEVER.

You fit in well with the PNC.  

 

Stop speaking to the man in the mirror.

 

Lucky President. It comes with the Job...

R

Saturday, October 22, 2011

Presidential backball

 
(Originally published in Guyana’s Stabroek News on 15 October 2011)    
These two words, presidential backball, seem contradictory – as if  the two words should never be uttered in the same breath. Indeed, there  ought to be respect when the word “president” comes across our lips.  Backball, on the other hand, is a lewd word, something we hope our  children do not mutter until they are adults.
Yet we are  begrudgingly forced to join these two paradoxical words as we consider  the conduct of President Bharrat Jagdeo and the PPP Presidential  Candidate, Donald Ramotar, who both  received backballs at their party’s recent rallies. I honestly cannot  even believe that I am forced to talk about such coarse behaviour, but  talk about it I must and so I shall.
The Urban Dictionary defines  backball as a “Caribbean term for sensually gyrating in a forward bent  over position, most often in front of a male while partying, sometimes  also touching the ground with hands. Referred to as receiving by males  and giving by females.”
This type of conduct is something that  should be done in private, or at the very least in a dark room at a club full of people who are doing the same thing. It does not belong on the  platform of a political rally in front of all and sundry – including  children and impressionable young people.
However, my focus for this column is to draw a clear and concise line on how the crucial issue of domestic violence relates to the president  of a country receiving a public backball. Common sense tells us that  this type of public behaviour is inappropriate for any leader, much less the president of a country, but allow me to connect the dots for those  who still do not seem to get it.
You see, as long as women are  sexualised and objectified by society, they will never obtain the  respect necessary for men to stop treating them as mere objects that can be toyed with, abused and discarded. Therefore, reducing women to  objects of sexuality at a political rally by putting them in a permanent  ‘club’ atmosphere perpetuates domestic violence.
With the depth  of disregard and contempt displayed to the women of Guyana by these  leaders, is it any wonder that so many women are being beaten, raped,  tortured and murdered everyday? How will the youth of today ever learn  to form healthy and respectful relationships when their leaders do not  seem to know about healthy and respectful relationships?
To make  matters even worse, Mr Ramotar is married! After speaking with Mr  Ramotar about his wife earlier this summer, I believed he held her in  high regard. However, no husband who respects his wife that would do  what he did on that stage last weekend. It would seem the president is  being a bad influence on Mr Ramotar.
Sexual harassment is a form  of sex discrimination. The legal definition of sexual harassment is  “unwelcome verbal, visual or physical conduct of a sexual nature that is severe or pervasive and affects working conditions or creates a hostile work environment.”
The fact that most of those on the stage at  last weekend’s rally in Kitty were being paid by the PPP or the  government made that situation a hostile working environment for the  women. Moreover, that the conduct in question was done in front of  “thousands” of attendees and then broadcast throughout the nation and  put on the Internet to go throughout the world, it then created a  hostile living environment for all Guyanese women.
Minister of  Human Services, Priya Manickchand, knows the definition of sexual  harassment. She also knows what a hostile working environment is. She  knows the only way domestic violence will stop in Guyana is by changing  the existing social norms that degrade women.
Why has the Minister not put an end to this demeaning behaviour toward women? Why has she  not, at the very least, condemned the shameful conduct? In fact, it  would seem the entire PPP elite needs a comprehensive sensitivity  training course. Madam Manickchand, if you want men to start respecting  the women of Guyana, you need to start with the men in your own party.
Women should be seen at these political rallies giving stirring political  speeches focused on how they are going to participate in transforming  the country. We should see them displaying their intelligence, their  ideas, their platform and their plans. Women attending the rallies  should be seen as potential voters who want to make informed choices at  the polls. They should not being objects of sexuality.
The media  incessantly bombards us with sexualised images of women. Kaieteur News  gives us a pretty face to look at every Sunday. But the government of  Guyana should be leading the country in a different direction. The men  of the PPP should be the standard to which the men of the nation can  look for an example of how to treat a woman. God forbid they use the  example they see now from the men in the PPP.
I do not know of any other president or presidential candidate who could behave in such a  vulgar way in view of the whole world and still continue in that role.  Any other political party would have publicly shamed them and attempted  to save face by saying it would never happen again. The PPP has done no  such thing, which leads one to assume it is just fine with their leaders disrespecting Guyana’s women.
It is not fine. It is not ok. In  fact, the President and the PPP presidential candidate owe the women of  Guyana an apology for further perpetuating the already insufferable  situation in which they live. But let’s be honest. An apology will not  be forthcoming. If these men did not esteem women enough to refrain from public backballing in the first place, they will not find enough regard for women to apologise now.
Mitwah
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

Granger's social contract includes National service and the formation of an egalitarian society.

I do not know what is wrong with a system of national service if structured to benefit young minds in service to their community. Also every society struggle for egalitarianism so that is also a worthy creed if assumed  as a natural condition.

 

Unfortunately as a political expression Marxist dialectical materialism it is given a bad name. There it is assumed to be an achievable goal only via Marxist praxis.

 

As a social philosophy it defines Christianity an any of the Abrahamic faiths since all men are equal before god. This extends into the liberal democratic tradition of western states as grounding creed ie all men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights that supersede the states rights.

 

It is the ground of the social contract ie men give up certain rights ie administration of the state to a government  but that this government, is beholden to them and has no right not freely given up.

FM
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Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

I do not know what is wrong with a system of national service if structured to benefit young minds in service to their community. Also very society struggle for egalitarianism so that is also a worthy creed if assumed  as a natural condition.

 

 

 

 

* How many girls were raped by the CUFFIES up at Kimbia ?

 

Rev

One. That was you and you enjoyed it.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

I do not know what is wrong with a system of national service if structured to benefit young minds in service to their community. Also very society struggle for egalitarianism so that is also a worthy creed if assumed  as a natural condition.

 

 


* Would you have sent your daughters to do National Service during the PNC days ?

 

* How many girls were raped by the CUFFIES up at Kimbia ?

 

Rev

I do not know since you do you should tell us. I know the system was rife with abuse but  that is no different from the misuse of our women and young girls in the patronage system the PPP foisted on us where they are completely under the authority of party oligarchs.

 

The system structured under a dictatorship should not be condemned as a worthless endeavor. We can incorporate it as a voluntary system where one gets a free education in ecology, conservation, biology, zoology, engineering etc all under the auspices of a university except it would be more practically oriented.

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

I do not know what is wrong with a system of national service if structured to benefit young minds in service to their community. Also very society struggle for egalitarianism so that is also a worthy creed if assumed  as a natural condition.

 

 


* Would you have sent your daughters to do National Service during the PNC days ?

 

* How many girls were raped by the CUFFIES up at Kimbia ?

 

Rev

will you send your daughter at the sleep inn to back ball the pres

FM
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

I do not know what is wrong with a system of national service if structured to benefit young minds in service to their community. Also very society struggle for egalitarianism so that is also a worthy creed if assumed  as a natural condition.

 

 


* Would you have sent your daughters to do National Service during the PNC days ?

 

* How many girls were raped by the CUFFIES up at Kimbia ?

 

Rev

will you send your daughter at the sleep inn to back ball the pres

Or, will he send his daughter to his beloved under the PPP/C Guyana?

cain
Last edited by cain
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

If the PNC wins the next election and I am not saying that they will, you know what will happen to the Indo gyals...  It will 'deja vu' all over again.. 

Haha. I will be fine. Did Mr Yuji switch to Mr Ramakant? 

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:

Where is the Leader of the Opposition going with this social contract business?

 

Quoted from SN

 

"Granger, in another Stabroek News (SN) report, in referring to APNU’s ‘Social Contract’ proposal said: “I think it is a serious decision. I pointed out that APNU is committed to inclusionary democracy …APNU from the start of its campaign has proclaimed adhesion to the constitutional injunction under Article 13 that the aim of our political system is to create [an] inclusionary democracy.”

 

 

Granger committed to inclusionary democracy but the PPP rejects it.  So where is Granger going.  You cannot marry a woman who refuses to me married.

 

 

CERTAINLY NOT!

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:

Where is the Leader of the Opposition going with this social contract business?

 

Quoted from SN

 

"Granger, in another Stabroek News (SN) report, in referring to APNU’s ‘Social Contract’ proposal said: “I think it is a serious decision. I pointed out that APNU is committed to inclusionary democracy …APNU from the start of its campaign has proclaimed adhesion to the constitutional injunction under Article 13 that the aim of our political system is to create [an] inclusionary democracy.”

 

 

Granger committed to inclusionary democracy but the PPP rejects it.  So where is Granger going.  You cannot marry a woman who refuses to me married.

 

 

Thank you for answer this dumbo Gring-ja Cde Donald.

 

"I AM A WARRIOR" - dONALD.

 

cLASSIC answer to this dufus who asking fuh social contract.

FM

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