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Originally Posted by Brian Teekah:

The people put a ticket on him in 2011 and still he did not get the 51%.

 

Now with a record as a abject failure, he will get even less votes.

 

Even Jagan know how incompetent he was that he was not invited to the Jagan cabinet.

 

In case you missed it chap, Guyana is a parliamentary democracy (albeit not a pure one) where there is no special requirement or even convention for the ruling party to win 51% plus.

 

Also, the PPP won the 2011 Election in case you missed that too. Most "landslide" parliamentary governments are installed with around 45% of the popular vote. Evidence Tony Blair's massive landslide win in 1997 with a whopping 43% of the vote that gave him a super majority in the House of Commons of 418 out of 659 seats.

 

With that said, the PPP should have done the usual sensible democratic and even constitutional thing and formed a Post-election Coalition Government with a junior partner(s) so that their Government commands the confidence of the House. It is unchallenged Commonwealth tradition and practice that the Government of the day must always command the confidence of an absolute majority of the House and be willing to prove such confidence at any time.

 

That the PPP chose to go the route of attempting to rule with a Minority Government is only a testament to their stupidity and undemocratic nature.

FM
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Brian Teekah:

The people put a ticket on him in 2011 and still he did not get the 51%.

 

Now with a record as a abject failure, he will get even less votes.

 

Even Jagan know how incompetent he was that he was not invited to the Jagan cabinet.

He is still the President, can you do better???

he is your president and bar-art have him on a string,look bar-rat pull a string and he waving to you

FM

Agree with what Satan said.

 

PPP missed the chance to be the senior, benevolent party in a coalition. Jagdeo does not want to share the spoils with others.  Hopefully, Coalition will "kick their ass" this time. 

 

Mr. Ram is a nice man, but niceness does not translate to effective leadership.  Actually, it was not meant for Ram to lead.  Jagdeo was the de facto leader.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Brian Teekah:

 Evidence Tony Blair's massive landslide win in 1997 with a whopping 43% of the vote that gave him a super majority in the House of

You are comparingt chalk and cheese.  The UK uses the constituency, winner take all system.  The party which wins the most constituencies is the winner, even if it gets FEWER votes than the losing party.

 

Guyana uses the PR system, where votes are not for MPs.  They are votes for the president.

 

49% in Guyana is NOT a landslide.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

With that said, the PPP should have done the usual sensible democratic and even constitutional thing and formed a Post-election Coalition

If this was allowed it would have been up to the AFC to decide which party to become allied with.

 

Some how I doubt that the AFC would have accepted to be part of the PPP regime.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Brian Teekah:

 Evidence Tony Blair's massive landslide win in 1997 with a whopping 43% of the vote that gave him a super majority in the House of

You are comparingt chalk and cheese.  The UK uses the constituency, winner take all system.  The party which wins the most constituencies is the winner, even if it gets FEWER votes than the losing party.

 

Guyana uses the PR system, where votes are not for MPs.  They are votes for the president.

 

49% in Guyana is NOT a landslide.

 

I somehow figured you were likely to point of the difference in the electoral systems of Guyana and the UK so as to totally miss the goddamn point.

 

Look, tonight the PM of Israel "won" with a whopping 27 seats out of 120.

 

My point was that "winners" are just the dude who manage 1 vote more than the next highest vote getter. And 51% of a Parliament is just a post-election reality for the conduct of Government business.

 

Using 51% as the standard for an election win anywhere is just disingenuous. It's a novel argument that arises no where besides the minds of loser parties who wish to still pretend they didn't lose.

 

Fact remains that the PPP won in 2011 and the PNC and the AFC lost. That's what happened.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Brian Teekah:

 Evidence Tony Blair's massive landslide win in 1997 with a whopping 43% of the vote that gave him a super majority in the House of

You are comparingt chalk and cheese.  The UK uses the constituency, winner take all system.  The party which wins the most constituencies is the winner, even if it gets FEWER votes than the losing party.

 

Guyana uses the PR system, where votes are not for MPs.  They are votes for the president.

 

49% in Guyana is NOT a landslide.

 

I somehow figured you were likely to point of the difference in the electoral systems of Guyana and the UK so as to totally miss the goddamn point.

 

Look, tonight the PM of Israel "won" with a whopping 27 seats out of 120.

 

My point was that "winners" are just the dude who manage 1 vote more than the next highest vote getter. And 51% of a Parliament is just a post-election reality for the conduct of Government business.

 

Using 51% as the standard for an election win anywhere is just disingenuous. It's a novel argument that arises no where besides the minds of loser parties who wish to still pretend they didn't lose.

 

Fact remains that the PPP won in 2011 and the PNC and the AFC lost. That's what happened.

Will any one describe his "victory" as a landslide?

 

 

Netanyahu has many small parties to stitch together a coalition.  The point is those parties have to be willing to join. 

 

You know that there was no way that the AFC was going to join any post election alliance with the PPP.  They have far more power joining a PNC coalition, as the PNC will definitely be of the opinion that they need the AFC.  The PPP would use the AFC, as they used Civic.  Scream that they won with a "mandate", and dump the AFC if they don't do as they are told.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
I somehow figured you were likely to point of the difference in the electoral systems of Guyana and the UK so as to totally miss the goddamn point.

 

Look, tonight the PM of Israel "won" with a whopping 27 seats out of 120.

 

My point was that "winners" are just the dude who manage 1 vote more than the next highest vote getter. And 51% of a Parliament is just a post-election reality for the conduct of Government business.

 

Using 51% as the standard for an election win anywhere is just disingenuous. It's a novel argument that arises no where besides the minds of loser parties who wish to still pretend they didn't lose.

 

Fact remains that the PPP won in 2011 and the PNC and the AFC lost. That's what happened.

sooo . . . if "winner" is the party with the biggest minority slice of votes/seats, what do you call a party (like PNC in 1964) which "just" put together a 51% coalition that actually governs?

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

With that said, the PPP should have done the usual sensible democratic and even constitutional thing and formed a Post-election Coalition

If this was allowed it would have been up to the AFC to decide which party to become allied with.

 

Some how I doubt that the AFC would have accepted to be part of the PPP regime.

 

I don't know why you insist on pronouncing on matters of which you obviously do not understand or wish simply to prove your propaganda.

 

Post-election coalitions are perfectly permitted under the present Guyanese Constitution. The PPP/C has been in post-election Coalition with TUF from like 2001 to 2011 (yes I do recall that they did not depend on TUF for a majority). So you are patently wrong that two parties cannot have a post-Election Coalition. The Guyanese Constitution though requires that the post-election Coalition be formed around the "winning party." So whoever wins the Presidency is the party who forms the Government and as a matter of practicality must find a Coalition partner to get it to 33 seats or above. The PPP obviously failed to do this in 2011. The Opposition also failed in its job to hold the Government to Commonwealth convention and the Constitutional requirement that the "Government" must enjoy the confidence of a majority of the House. This is why in the Commonwealth, a newly installed government must prove its confidence in the House with a vote of confidence. The Opposition obviously gave the PPP a free pass on this until November 2014.

 

The Guyanese "Government" is the President and his Ministers who must command the confidence of an absolute majority of the House. That is a fact when you read the Constitution as a whole document. The PPP has just read the Constitution in bits and pieces for its maximum advantage. You apparently seek to follow in this ignoble tradition.

 

I of course fully understand that a Government cannot arise in Guyana without the participation of the President's party in any post-election coalition. Our post-election coalitions must include the President's party.That is the principal limitation of post-election coalitions in Guyana.

 

Also, the Representation of the People Act allows two parties to enter into pre-election Coalition while still maintaining two distinct Lists. The AFC obviously felt uncertain of their chances on the ballot under their own name even in a "Joinder of Lists" pre-election coalition with the PNC.

FM
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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

I  The Guyanese Constitution though requires that the post-election Coalition be formed around the "winning party.".

So more than 51% of the population didn't support the incumbent party, and yet the constitution only allows an opposition party to form an alliance with the party with the most votes.

 

That isn't how it works in most countries.

 

The AFC was NOT interested in an alliance with the PPP, which no doubt tried to make overtures.  The PPP has NOT demonstrated any evidence that it is willing to work with others. What happened to the Civic?  Every single group which they have allied themselves with have been reduced to being yes men, lacking the most minute input into issues of governance.  And the AFC was well aware of this.

 

The PPP has to be defeated so that it can engage in serious soul searching.  If even its supporters hate them, and only support them for reasons of racial anxiety then why should they be allowed to govern?

 

There is absolutely no way that the AFC could have negotiated with the PPP the role which they will get with APNU. 

FM
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