This is the result of years of colonialism and the result of a europeanized mind...the colonial power now have their local lackeys to perpetuate their colonization of the Indian mind. It is not a laughing matter.

Mother Teresa was no different from these modern day con men. They went after poor Indians, fed them, converted them, give them Jesus and then encourage them to go after the poor unsuspecting Hindus. The poor Indian 'heathen' did not know he was being taken for a ride. What is more egregious, if not ironic, is the fact that these Christianized Indians, now give up everything about their culture and begin to see the Hindu Indian as inferior...they act as if they are more superior.

This is part of the legacy of colonialism in India. Prime Minister Modi understands this shameful legacy, unlike the Congress Party.  

For the record, the Indians who converted to Islam in India (many who enjoy more rights than they do in countries in the Middle East) were lower caste Indians who felt rejected from the larger Hindu society. Hopefully they might see the light and return to the Hindu fold.

I am reading the British Raj, a very enlightening book on how India was traumatized by the invading muslim mughals and then the Europeans.

In the case of Guyana, I suspect the number of Hindus are decreasing because of this very reason...the colonization of the mind. My uncle told me a story of how the Canadian Presbyterian Church from Canada used the same strategies to convert the coolies in their remote villages. However, even though he is a Christian, he has not rejected his Indian heritage and he still celebrates the fact that his ancestors came from India. He has not given up his identiry, he maintains an Indian name but he makes logical arguments as to why Hinduism is not right for him. This is very different from what we see in these modern day con men. 

This conversion practice is nothing more than a money making business and to brainwash people to make believe that miracle can do what doctors cannot do. I am not against God, but I believe prayer is a personal communion between a person and his belief. No man were ever given spiritual power to do miracle and heal the sick. 

In the middle of The First Century AD, Thomas a disciple of Jesus Christ travelled from Syria, eventually arriving at the Coast of the Gulf of Arabia. On the winds of the Monsoon, he was ferried towads the Indian Ocean.

Soon after, the Bay of Bengal would land him in Cochin. He came specifically for the Jews of Cochin and the Jews of Madras. Today's names. In ancient times, most likely different names. Perhaps, a small village.  His message, for a people who knew the One True God. Jews telling other Jews about the Elect One who takes away the sins of world.

Jews talking to Jews. Not a Christian talking to Jews.

Most likely, he had the Book of Enoch with him. The Book which spoke of the coming of Jesus.  

Doubtful whether the Jews believed in his message. Because, in modern times the Jews of Madras and Cochin were a thriving community. They maintained their customs.

Thomas did not live an isolated life. In South India, there are monuments and Churches he established. The Brahmins grasped his message and felt he had a unique encounter with a celestial being. Not a diificult thing for a Brahmin to believe. For they themselves are the keepers of Brahma's chants and religious customs.

Followers of Thomas were known as Thomites.

Soon after, Syria, the center for the teaching of Christ formed the Syrian Orthodox Church and went to South India to carry on the teachings of Christ.

Almost every Madrassie who came to British Guiana was a believers in Christ. Either from the backgrounds of the Roman Catholic Church, the Syrian Church, Thomite or the English denominations. They were educated, because they were instructed how to read the scriptures back in India.

After indentureship and during indentureship in B.G they excelled as Magistrates, teachers and social workers.

Education has done well for South India, they world renowned scientist, Raman, Bose and Srivanasm, the man who knew infinity, There are more.

All from Thomas's journey to South India.

You c Christians were in South India long before the rest of the world got the message. 

VishMahabir posted:

 

For the record, the Indians who converted to Islam in India (many who enjoy more rights than they do in countries in the Middle East) were lower caste Indians who felt rejected from the larger Hindu society. Hopefully they might see the light and return to the Hindu fold.

 

 

 

When higher caste Hindus see the light, when they stop oppressing and humiliating lower caste Hindus, Indian Muslims might consider returning to the Hindu fold.

seignet posted:

In the middle of The First Century AD, Thomas a disciple of Jesus Christ travelled from Syria, eventually arriving at the Coast of the Gulf of Arabia. On the winds of the Monsoon, he was ferried towads the Indian Ocean.

Soon after, the Bay of Bengal would land him in Cochin. He came specifically for the Jews of Cochin and the Jews of Madras. Today's names. In ancient times, most likely different names. Perhaps, a small village.  His message, for a people who knew the One True God. Jews telling other Jews about the Elect One who takes away the sins of world.

Jews talking to Jews. Not a Christian talking to Jews.

Most likely, he had the Book of Enoch with him. The Book which spoke of the coming of Jesus.  

Doubtful whether the Jews believed in his message. Because, in modern times the Jews of Madras and Cochin were a thriving community. They maintained their customs.

Thomas did not live an isolated life. In South India, there are monuments and Churches he established. The Brahmins grasped his message and felt he had a unique encounter with a celestial being. Not a diificult thing for a Brahmin to believe. For they themselves are the keepers of Brahma's chants and religious customs.

Followers of Thomas were known as Thomites.

Soon after, Syria, the center for the teaching of Christ formed the Syrian Orthodox Church and went to South India to carry on the teachings of Christ.

Almost every Madrassie who came to British Guiana was a believers in Christ. Either from the backgrounds of the Roman Catholic Church, the Syrian Church, Thomite or the English denominations. They were educated, because they were instructed how to read the scriptures back in India.

After indentureship and during indentureship in B.G they excelled as Magistrates, teachers and social workers.

Education has done well for South India, they world renowned scientist, Raman, Bose and Srivanasm, the man who knew infinity, There are more.

All from Thomas's journey to South India.

You c Christians were in South India long before the rest of the world got the message. 

 

 

The Brahmins cut off his head. 

Listen, Burnham has his flock behaving the same way!  Also, remember when Rev WR Shambach made the crippled walk in Guyana.  Dem bannas end up very rich!

From all indications, no one knows how exactly Thomas was deceased. However, it is suggested, he met the same faith as the other disciples. Martyred. Decapitation did not reach South Indian by then. Some 10 centuries later it came to the peaceful people of South India.

Gilbakka posted:

When higher caste Hindus see the light, when they stop oppressing and humiliating lower caste Hindus, Indian Muslims might consider returning to the Hindu fold.

You needs to enlighten the dalits cum fullahs on this site.  Hint hint, Chief, Blankpoint, Kari and the rest of the crew!

Too bad the girl did not try to acting as a career. Is this another Jonestown in the making? Some coolie people really sthupid!

Gilbakka posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

For the record, the Indians who converted to Islam in India (many who enjoy more rights than they do in countries in the Middle East) were lower caste Indians who felt rejected from the larger Hindu society. Hopefully they might see the light and return to the Hindu fold.

 

 

 

When higher caste Hindus see the light, when they stop oppressing and humiliating lower caste Hindus, Indian Muslims might consider returning to the Hindu fold.

You forgetting one important detail here....it was the Muslims who invaded and attempted to conquer all of India... not the other way around.

seignet posted:

In the middle of The First Century AD, Thomas a disciple of Jesus Christ travelled from Syria, eventually arriving at the Coast of the Gulf of Arabia. On the winds of the Monsoon, he was ferried towads the Indian Ocean.

Soon after, the Bay of Bengal would land him in Cochin. He came specifically for the Jews of Cochin and the Jews of Madras. Today's names. In ancient times, most likely different names. Perhaps, a small village.  His message, for a people who knew the One True God. Jews telling other Jews about the Elect One who takes away the sins of world.

Jews talking to Jews. Not a Christian talking to Jews.

Most likely, he had the Book of Enoch with him. The Book which spoke of the coming of Jesus.  

Doubtful whether the Jews believed in his message. Because, in modern times the Jews of Madras and Cochin were a thriving community. They maintained their customs.

Thomas did not live an isolated life. In South India, there are monuments and Churches he established. The Brahmins grasped his message and felt he had a unique encounter with a celestial being. Not a diificult thing for a Brahmin to believe. For they themselves are the keepers of Brahma's chants and religious customs.

Followers of Thomas were known as Thomites.

Soon after, Syria, the center for the teaching of Christ formed the Syrian Orthodox Church and went to South India to carry on the teachings of Christ.

Almost every Madrassie who came to British Guiana was a believers in Christ. Either from the backgrounds of the Roman Catholic Church, the Syrian Church, Thomite or the English denominations. They were educated, because they were instructed how to read the scriptures back in India.

After indentureship and during indentureship in B.G they excelled as Magistrates, teachers and social workers.

Education has done well for South India, they world renowned scientist, Raman, Bose and Srivanasm, the man who knew infinity, There are more.

All from Thomas's journey to South India.

You c Christians were in South India long before the rest of the world got the message. 

 

 

Seig this is a good piece of writing

VishMahabir posted:

You forgetting one important detail here....it was the Muslims who invaded and attempted to conquer all of India... not the other way around.

Dude parasitic Brahmanism is the reason there are so many branches of Hinduism. The conversion to an abrahamic faith does have its lure given it is casteless.  Sitting in the trenches doing all the work and being reviled are enough reasons to switch given sufficient motivation.

The hinduism that we know today is really orthodox hinduism

Reform hinduism became buddhaism, sikhism and other religions of South Asia.

Danyael posted:

VishMahabir posted:

You forgetting one important detail here....it was the Muslims who invaded and attempted to conquer all of India... not the other way around.

Dude parasitic Brahmanism is the reason there are so many branches of Hinduism. The conversion to an abrahamic faith does have its lure given it is casteless.  Sitting in the trenches doing all the work and being reviled are enough reasons to switch given sufficient motivation.

My understanding from my limited knowledge of Indian history is that this is such an infantile and simplistic argument as to why Hindus converted under the invading Muslims and conquering Europeans that it excuses the plunder and rape of the people of India by these invading mauraders. Its the same arguments made by the Euriepeans who went to India to justify their plunder and rape of the country. They were civilizing the natives, as per Kipling's The White Man's Burden. The muslims were civilizing the infidels and they charged them a tax (gizyah) if they did not convert.

The parasitic Brahmanism is one thing, but the country survided without invading forces. Sikhism, Jainism and Buddhism which challenged some part of brahmanism still retained a large part of the Indian culture. This is not the case when an Indian is a convert to Islam or becomes a Christian, in most cases. 

With reference to Hindus in the Caribbean, are we to believe that the colonial experience did not have an effect on conversion to Christianity? The conversion continues today with the dominance of the European culture.  

VishMahabir posted:

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With reference to Hindus in the Caribbean, are we to believe that the colonial experience did not have an effect on conversion to Christianity? The conversion continues today with the dominance of the European culture.  

What is interesting is that the biggest decline of Hinduism in Trinidad and Guyana occurred AFTER Independence, and in the case of Guyana AFTER Burnham died.

I suggest that you find another excuse.   Christians were just over 50% in 1970 and are now over 70%.  The Muslim population hasn't declined. Its Hinduism which is deeply declining.

VishMahabir posted:

Gilbakka posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

For the record, the Indians who converted to Islam in India (many who enjoy more rights than they do in countries in the Middle East) were lower caste Indians who felt rejected from the larger Hindu society. Hopefully they might see the light and return to the Hindu fold.

 

 

 

When higher caste Hindus see the light, when they stop oppressing and humiliating lower caste Hindus, Indian Muslims might consider returning to the Hindu fold.

You forgetting one important detail here....it was the Muslims who invaded and attempted to conquer all of India... not the other way around.

True, but those Mughal invaders found it easier to convert lower caste Hindus and outcasts/dalits/untouchables to Islam. As for the brahmins and chatrees, the Muslim invaders met with stiff resistance regarding conversion. Eventually, both sides made a deal to coexist in some Indian states. Back to the point, the descendants of those converted Muslims are not enthused to embrace Hinduism precisely because of rigid caste structures that militate against the lower levels. And, just consider this point: India has two communist parties with millions of supporters. What kinda supporters? Certainly not brahmins and chatrees. The egalitarianism that the communists promise is a big draw to chamars and dalits.

Gilbakka posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Gilbakka posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

For the record, the Indians who converted to Islam in India (many who enjoy more rights than they do in countries in the Middle East) were lower caste Indians who felt rejected from the larger Hindu society. Hopefully they might see the light and return to the Hindu fold.

 

 

 

When higher caste Hindus see the light, when they stop oppressing and humiliating lower caste Hindus, Indian Muslims might consider returning to the Hindu fold.

You forgetting one important detail here....it was the Muslims who invaded and attempted to conquer all of India... not the other way around.

True, but those Mughal invaders found it easier to convert lower caste Hindus and outcasts/dalits/untouchables to Islam. As for the brahmins and chatrees, the Muslim invaders met with stiff resistance regarding conversion. Eventually, both sides made a deal to coexist in some Indian states. Back to the point, the descendants of those converted Muslims are not enthused to embrace Hinduism precisely because of rigid caste structures that militate against the lower levels. And, just consider this point: India has two communist parties with millions of supporters. What kinda supporters? Certainly not brahmins and chatrees. The egalitarianism that the communists promise is a big draw to chamars and dalits.

I would come back to the original point I was making, which is that it is one thing when a people try to resolve their own problems, but quite another when a people is subjugated by foreign invaders. The brahmanic divisions created splits in the religion, based on caste and class differences, but those divisions did not lead to a rejection of what was inherently a shared interest in Indian history and culture. When reform groups challenge orthodox Hinduism, they did not reject all that was Hinduism. This is very different from how converts to Islam and Christianity perceive India.

Arguments that only focus on the caste system and role of the Bhahmins in the upper caste only serve to justify these invading conquerors. They did not come into India to save the poor underclass. The guardians of the Indian state have always been the upper caste, but this tradition has filtered down to the lower caste.

caribny posted:

VishMahabir posted:

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With reference to Hindus in the Caribbean, are we to believe that the colonial experience did not have an effect on conversion to Christianity? The conversion continues today with the dominance of the European culture.  

What is interesting is that the biggest decline of Hinduism in Trinidad and Guyana occurred AFTER Independence, and in the case of Guyana AFTER Burnham died.

I suggest that you find another excuse.   Christians were just over 50% in 1970 and are now over 70%.  The Muslim population hasn't declined. Its Hinduism which is deeply declining.

And they coming up with all type of rubbish excuses blaming other religions.

Chief posted:

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And they coming up with all type of rubbish excuses blaming other religions.

There is a reason why 70% of the suicides in Guyana are Hindus, who are currently less than 25% of the population.

They can chat amongst themselves as to why that is. I suspect that its the same reason why Indo Guyanese conversions to Christianity come mainly from among Hindus, while Muslims are actually attracting other ethnicities in small numbers.

Chief posted:

caribny posted:

What is interesting is that the biggest decline of Hinduism in Trinidad and Guyana occurred AFTER Independence, and in the case of Guyana AFTER Burnham died.

I suggest that you find another excuse.   Christians were just over 50% in 1970 and are now over 70%.  The Muslim population hasn't declined. Its Hinduism which is deeply declining.

And they coming up with all type of rubbish excuses blaming other religions.

Nobody blaming anyone for the issues of Hinduism.  If you look at "modern day" ISIS, this was the behavior of the INVADING Muslims and how they converted many Hindus to Islam.  The killed off many men and took the women as sex slaves who then had children for these invaders.  This is why there are traces of Arab blood in those areas.

Now, while many see the injustice of the caste system today, there was a time when this served its purpose in organizing society.  As time went by, it clearly had outlived its purpose and needed reformation to meet the changing expectations of the people.

The caste system, as it's practiced today, was never intended to be.  There were certain lifestyles and responsibilities to uphold by the various caste to maintain harmony within society.  For example, the "Brahmins" (pandits) were not materialistic people, they were pious leaders, counselors and arbitrators.  They existed on donations from the people and were to uphold a lifestyle consistent with this role.  This is hardly the case today, and it cannot be either.

As time went by and modernity imposed itself, these roles and expectations morphed.  The privilege groups began to impose a different value system and practices.  The practices became selective and self-serving.  People began to look down on others based on caste and the caste became synonymous with class!

Today, many view their "high caste" as a birthright and do nothing to little to uphold the intended role.  For Hinduism to survive, it will need some major reformation away from some of the Sanatana Dharma outlook.  The Arya Samaj sect founded in 1875 was an attempt at reformation where many of the traditional beliefs were turned on its head but still within the confines of Hinduism.

The Arya Samaj has had mixed successes however, many seek other pathways to salvation through Christianity, Buddhism, etc.

Islam today is not the solution.  Saudi Islam is far more backwards than Orthodox Hinduism!

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Arya-Samaj

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

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And they coming up with all type of rubbish excuses blaming other religions.

There is a reason why 70% of the suicides in Guyana are Hindus, who are currently less than 25% of the population.

They can chat amongst themselves as to why that is. I suspect that its the same reason why Indo Guyanese conversions to Christianity come mainly from among Hindus, while Muslims are actually attracting other ethnicities in small numbers.

Now could you, in the same breath, please explain the reason why 70% of the criminals in Guyana are Black when they are 28% of the population?