He has been accused of marginalizing Afro-Guyanese and sponsoring a “death squad”, which “killed over 400 black people.” It was even said that under his rule, Guyanese of African ancestry were “stifled.” But former President Bharrat Jagdeo is saying that this is not true. In fact, he is calling for a “fact based” debate with African leaders on his record regarding the treatment of Afro-Guyanese.
Jagdeo said this at a recent press conference.
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Hinds is a racist and is trying to stir up racial incitement. Jagdeo bussed his balls here.
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Dave posted:He has been accused of marginalizing Afro-Guyanese and sponsoring a “death squad”, which “killed over 400 black people.” It was even said that under his rule, Guyanese of African ancestry were “stifled.” But former President Bharrat Jagdeo is saying that this is not true. In fact, he is calling for a “fact based” debate with African leaders on his record regarding the treatment of Afro-Guyanese.
Jagdeo said this at a recent press conference.
Hinds would be stupid to entertain him on the obvious. How do you debate with a man who said he could not find an appropriate candidate for the foreign service who was black in all of Guyana?
yuji22 posted:Hinds is a racist and is trying to stir up racial incitement. Jagdeo bussed his balls here.
This would be a good debate...I would watch it....
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Jagdeo will buss hinds balls. Hinds will run away like an anti man in fear of Jagdeo exposing him as a fraud and a racist pig !!!
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yuji22 posted:Hinds is a racist and is trying to stir up racial incitement. Jagdeo bussed his balls here.
Hinds speak the truth and the only reason he is despised is because he sees through dumb bigots like you completely. And does that girly man has balls?
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Chronicle bussed D2 Balls ! He is crying like whimp !
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yuji22 posted:Chronicle bussed D2 Balls ! He is crying like whimp !
Who is crying dummy? You cannot express yourself in any other way than presume those who use state power egregiously are somehow an instrument of pleasure to you.
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D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Hinds is a racist and is trying to stir up racial incitement. Jagdeo bussed his balls here.
Hinds speak the truth and the only reason he is despised is because he sees through dumb bigots like you completely. And does that girly man has balls?
It is a bit suspicious how you always rush to Hinds defence. Here Jagdeo is calling out his accusers and you suddenly on the defensive. One would imagine that you Jagdeo haters would welcome the opportunity of a public debate but like a weasel you would rather much prefer to continue slandering Jaggy and circumvent debate.
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Typical whimp and coward D2 !
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List of 400 padded with massacre victims, bandits – Jagdeo
…calls for independent inquiry into jailbreak crime spree
People’s Progressive Party (PPP) General Secretary Bharrat Jagdeo has debunked as fallacious a list constantly referenced in sections of the media of persons allegedly murdered under the previous Administration, but in reality, this list is padded with the names of massacre victims and persons who died of natural causes.
At his press conference on Monday, Jagdeo walked with a copy of the list to show the media. He pointed out that among the names on the list are victims who lost their lives in the Lusignan, Lindo Creek and Bartica massacres.
“They would resurrect all of the old things. So now with the resurrection of the 400 young, black men according to them, killed in the PPP era… remember, we made it clear in Parliament that we’re prepared to have a Commission of Inquiry [CoI] into the whole period, in which you can investigate the criminals, the phantom gangs, drug dealers, everyone else and their connections to political operatives on both sides.”
“We are confident,” Jagdeo continued. “We can demonstrate in any CoI that they had deep links in the [People’s National Congress] PNC. We are still waiting for the President to propose that CoI, because we support it. He went off to do Lindo Creek (CoI) and got (retired Justice Donald) Trotman and the lawyer, the Minister’s brother (Patrice Henry), to do that.”
According to Jagdeo, he wants a CoI covering the entire period from the 2002 Mash Day jailbreak to the time they were apprehended or killed. Jagdeo noted that the massacres that occurred within the time, where the criminals got their weapons from and any potential links between drug dealers and political figures should also be probed in the CoI.
“All this talk about investigating, they would only say that because they had a hand in a lot of the turmoil that took place in that period. It was political. I can show you the list. Look at all these people,” Jagdeo said, just before he brandished the list. “They were all killed… the supposed black men. Shazam Mohamed, Lusignan Massacre; Clarence Thomas, Lusignan Massacre; Ron Thomas, Vanessa Thomas, Ashraf Ally, Errol Thomas.”
“You have people of every race here. You have the “Fine Man” gang members, the Bartica Massacre people, and members of the “Fine Man” gang. “Fine Man” (Rondel Rawlins) is on the list himself. The Lindo Creek (victims). Two persons who died of heart attacks are on this list. Lieutenant Colonel D Narine died from heart attack and Tony Ross. And they’re on the list. This is a fallacy. They don’t have anything else.”
Checks on the list confirmed that it contains the names not only of victims of the massacres, as well as the infamous Rondel “Fine Man” Rawlins and Jermaine “Skinny” Charles, but it also contains the names of criminal elements who were killed in shootouts with the Police.
One documented case in the list dates way back to 1999, with the inclusion of Terry Madhoo. Madhoo, also known as “Rusty”, was reportedly part of a gang that robbed an America Street cambio, opening fire indiscriminately, in the process injuring several persons, including an off-duty Policeman. Newspaper reports are that the gang was chased by Police into a cane field on the East Bank of Demerara, during which gunfire was exchanged and Madhoo was killed.
The list is contained in a dossier that details various cases that occurred under the previous Government which the then Opposition parties and now governing coalition had wanted investigated for alleged human rights violations.
In the dossier, the joint Opposition parties of the Alliance For Change, National Front Alliance, People’s National Congress and the Working People’s Alliance all joined together in their demands for an international inquiry.
“The goal of this dossier is to establish that there is a sufficient prima facie basis to warrant further interrogation of grave human rights abuses in Guyana by an independent body cloaked with the legal authority to do this,” the dossier also states.
The dossier was released by the then Opposition in 2009. Since coming to office in 2015, however, the only steps that have been taken towards an investigation of that era is a CoI ordered by President David Granger into the Lindo Creek Massacre earlier this year.
Hinds and Freddie have always been straight to the point, they speak against what they see as wrongs being commited against the people. When they speak out against the present govt, yugi and others luv em, when they speak against anything PPP they are despised by those same people. PPP do no wrong in their eyes.
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Drugb posted:D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Hinds is a racist and is trying to stir up racial incitement. Jagdeo bussed his balls here.
Hinds speak the truth and the only reason he is despised is because he sees through dumb bigots like you completely. And does that girly man has balls?
It is a bit suspicious how you always rush to Hinds defence. Here Jagdeo is calling out his accusers and you suddenly on the defensive. One would imagine that you Jagdeo haters would welcome the opportunity of a public debate but like a weasel you would rather much prefer to continue slandering Jaggy and circumvent debate.
What is suspicious about it? I do not know him personally. Never met him either. Jagdeo can call out his accusers all he want. He cannot avoid the facts his was a horrid racist kneptocratic regime that failed on all levels.
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cain posted:Hinds and Freddie have always been straight to the point, they speak against what they see as wrongs being commited against the people.
Your opinion, not fact, both fellas are politically biased and Hinds is known for his anti-Indian views while Freddie is known for his hatred of the PPP.
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yuji22 posted:Typical whimp and coward D2 !
typical dunce.
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cain posted:PPP do no wrong in their eyes.
PPP is correct most of the time. PNC is corrupt and hapless All of the Time.
Good thing AFC PNC lost the NCV.
The PNC is serious about 33 <32 and vow to prove it
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yuji22 posted:Hinds is a racist and is trying to stir up racial incitement. Jagdeo bussed his balls here.
Jagdeo owed Afro-Guyanese an explanation of extrajudicial killing under his administration with or without debate with Dr. Hinds.
Killing Criminals is LEGAL in all parts of the world.
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@ Prince
Shut your backside ! Jagdeo challenged the AFC PNC in parliament to start a COI into those allegations. The AFC PNC scrambled and hid like antimen when Jagdeo challenged them.
You talking sheer pis* !
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Prince posted:yuji22 posted:Hinds is a racist and is trying to stir up racial incitement. Jagdeo bussed his balls here.
Jagdeo owed Afro-Guyanese an explanation of extrajudicial killing under his administration with or without debate with Dr. Hinds.
Half Brain Princess on the Jagdeo warpath. Dumbass, why should Jagdeo allow your relatives to murder innocent coolies? Too bad you were not with your relatives on the crime spree.
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Prince posted:yuji22 posted:Hinds is a racist and is trying to stir up racial incitement. Jagdeo bussed his balls here.
Jagdeo owed Afro-Guyanese an explanation of extrajudicial killing under his administration with or without debate with Dr. Hinds.
Glad you did not understand owe from owed.
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yuji22 posted:cain posted:PPP do no wrong in their eyes.
PPP is correct most of the time. PNC is corrupt and hapless All of the Time.
Good thing AFC PNC lost the NCV.
Do you think these promises about resurrecting sugar makes sense or his promise of free education for all? He is serving you guys cake and you do not see it because you are blinded by this racist partisan nonsense that perpetuates the dumber and dumber syndrome.
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Dave posted:He has been accused of marginalizing Afro-Guyanese and sponsoring a “death squad”, which “killed over 400 black people.” It was even said that under his rule, Guyanese of African ancestry were “stifled.” But former President Bharrat Jagdeo is saying that this is not true. In fact, he is calling for a “fact based” debate with African leaders on his record regarding the treatment of Afro-Guyanese.
Jagdeo said this at a recent press conference.
Tell you what. Tell Jagdeo to point out evidence that the PPP made inroads into PNC strongholds between 2001 and 2015.
The answer is that they didn't and this should be the answer as to what blacks think of the PPP.
Jagdeo' problem is that he thinks that blacks are like Indians who blindly follow the leader. Black people know what they experienced under the PPP and no debate between Jagdeo and David Hinds will change that fact.
Nigel Hughes wanted a debate with Jagdeo on this same topic in 2011. How come Jagdeo ran under the bed hiding when Luncheon basically said that the PPP thinks that blacks are unfit to be appointed into to decision making positions.
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Drugb posted:while Freddie is known for his hatred of the PPP.
Contrary to what you think hatred of the PPP isn't a sin. They have done many wrongs and if people hate them then that is their right.
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caribny posted:Drugb posted:while Freddie is known for his hatred of the PPP.Contrary to what you think hatred of the PPP isn't a sin. They have done many wrongs and if people hate them then that is their right.
Hinds and Kisson have an axe to grind with PPP, whatever they write should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Drugb posted:caribny posted:Drugb posted:while Freddie is known for his hatred of the PPP.Contrary to what you think hatred of the PPP isn't a sin. They have done many wrongs and if people hate them then that is their right.
Hinds and Kisson have an axe to grind with PPP, whatever they write should be taken with a grain of salt.
Everyone has an axe to grind with those crooks.
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D2 posted:Dave posted:He has been accused of marginalizing Afro-Guyanese and sponsoring a “death squad”, which “killed over 400 black people.” It was even said that under his rule, Guyanese of African ancestry were “stifled.” But former President Bharrat Jagdeo is saying that this is not true. In fact, he is calling for a “fact based” debate with African leaders on his record regarding the treatment of Afro-Guyanese.
Jagdeo said this at a recent press conference.Hinds would be stupid to entertain him on the obvious. How do you debate with a man who said he could not find an appropriate candidate for the foreign service who was black in all of Guyana?
All Hinds needs to do is to resurrect the results of the lawsuit that Jagdeo had against Freddie K.
Jagdeo has being trying to debate Granger for a while and when the latter ignored him he switched to Hinds, who also ignored him. And I hope that he continues to ignore him.
This is a PPP PR stunt aimed at attracting the independent Indians. They want to show that the PPP is fair and inclusive. Jagdeo knows full well that the PPP has done nothing within the last 3 years for them to change their opinion of that party.
Jagdeo now thinks that he has most Indians back on the PPP plantation, unlike 2015 when he feared that they were fleeing in droves, so he mounted a blatantly racist campaign to scare them.
Realizing that the PPP cannot just win with a 1 seat margin he wants to attract a sliver of black support. If Jagdeo wishes black support all he needs to do is to attempt to host a huge meeting in Sophia. He can then come armed with all sorts of programs aimed at addressing the specific frustrations of working class blacks.
But you see Jagdeo doesn't want or need working class black support because he prefers them to be the bogey man that he can use to corral Indians He wants Indians to be cowed in fear of blacks because this is all he wants to offer them. His arrogance on the sugar industry and the Berbice Bridge shows the contempt that he has for working class Indians.
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Drugb posted:Hinds and Kisson have an axe to grind with PPP, whatever they write should be taken with a grain of salt.
Its these two whose writings contributed to the fall of the PPP last time. They are seen as more credible in some quarters than is Jagdeo who has descended into the mental ravings of the power drunk.
If you wish to be a Jagdeo slave that is your right but don't scream when others don't want to be.
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yuji22 posted:Jagdeo will buss hinds balls. Hinds will run away like an anti man in fear of Jagdeo exposing him as a fraud and a racist pig !!!
If the PPP was so good to blacks why did the PPP lose the black vote in the LGE a mere few weeks ago. And yes the PPP get FEWER black votes last year than they got in 1994.
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caribny posted:Its these two whose writings contributed to the fall of the PPP last time. They are seen as more credible in some quarters than is Jagdeo who has descended into the mental ravings of the power drunk.
If you wish to be a Jagdeo slave that is your right but don't scream when others don't want to be.
It is disingenuous at best to describe these two fellows as having influenced the downfall of the PPP. It was the afc and voter apathy in the PPP community that did them in. Hinds and Kissoon ave been bashing PPP for years to no avail, it was only after the AFC joined the coalition that PPP took the hit, predictable since the got that extra seat in 2011 from Ramoutar.
Hinds himself as blamed PPP for phantomizing, Linden, Buxton etc with no evidence to backup his claim. Even Granger smacked him around and kicked him out of the Chronicle for being a fake, not providing evidence to back up his claims.
Freddie is still recovering from the shyte thrown on him by a paid PNc/AFC supporter with the intent on blaming the PPP.
druggie no matter how much you tryin fo say you is a dead man, we know is you, you does lie like arug.just as you did up deh.
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