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Jagdeo touts sovereignty over Essequibo, active communication with Venezuela

Jagdeo touts sovereignty over Essequibo, active communication with Venezuela  

 
 

Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo Friday night appealed to the government to rethink its position to scrap plans to build the almost US$1 billion Amaila Falls Hydro-power station, saying it would have consolidated Guyana’s sovereignty over the Essequibo Region.
“This is the ultimate expression of sovereignty,” said Jagdeo, a former President of this South American country that has a long-running border controversy with neighbouring Venezuela.
Showing a letter of commitment from the Inter American Development Bank (IDB), he explained that all hemispheric member states of that financial institution, including Venezuela, had supported the project.
Jagdeo challenged Finance Minister Winston Jordan to show the National Assembly why it would be unprofitable to build the hydro-power plant.
Still on the issue of border relations with Venezuela, the former Guyanese leader urged government to keep the lines of communication open with the Spanish-speaking neighbour and try to rescue the PetroCaribe concessionary oil deal and the purchasing of rice and paddy at much higher prices. “We have to talk to people. We have to get back that rice deal and  because of good relations we went back and got the rice deal,” he said.
He chided government for grounding the Venezuelan airline, CONVIASA, for a US$250,000 bond without considering that Guyana had benefitting from GUY$40 billion on the premium for the grain prices.

The Foreign Minister has repeatedly said that the Guyana government was not opposed to talks between President David Granger and his Venezuelan counterpart, Nicolas Maduro on other issues, but believed that the border issue should be settled by the World Court. They are expected to meet on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly next months=.
The Opposition Leader called on Foreign Minister to discourage the government from introducing flags for Regions One, Two,, Seven, Eight and Nine- all in the Essequibo Region. "Please do not allow them to introduce flags for the regions of Essequibo because that this is where they will start undermine the unity under one flag,” he said, adding that Venezuela has already planned to issue identification cards to persons born in Essequibo. The Guyana government has floated the idea of the 10 administrative regions having separate flags.
Foreign Minister Greenidge earlier told the House that most Latin American countries support Venezuela’s position although they do not take into consideration the facts that the 1899 Arbitral Tribunal Award fully and finally settled the land border.
Greenidge noted that the delimitation of the maritime boundary between the two countries has to be settled bilaterally.

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Originally Posted by Pointblank:

Like dem who had de contract tell Jagabat dat he gat fuh pay back de piece dey gee he.

You clown, he is absolutely correct and more strategically nationalistic than your current leader.  Leaving the region largely undeveloped will leave it exposed and send a wrong message to Venez and to investors.  You can debate the costs, etc but not the logic or concept.

 

The PPP is clearly sending the signal that they are willing to support the project under the PNC.  The PNC should re-look, do their own due diligence, vet the costs and contractors and try to come up with an acceptable proposal.  They are fools if the just shove it aside because the PPP had championed it.  Somehow though, I don't think they will push for it as they will find the PPP proposal they rejected was within reason, not a bad deal.  They will expose themselves.

 

Granger is turning our to be nothing more than a rhetorical nationalist, bluff, puff and bluster.  BJ is clearly more strategic.

FM
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Originally Posted by baseman:
You clown, he is absolutely correct and more strategically nationalistic than your current leader.  Leaving the region largely undeveloped will leave it exposed and send a wrong message to Venez and to investors.  You can debate the costs, etc but not the logic or concept.

 

The PPP is clearly sending the signal that they are willing to support the project under the PNC.  The PNC should re-look, do their own due diligence, vet the costs and contractors and try to come up with an acceptable proposal.  They are fools if the just shove it aside because the PPP had championed it.  Somehow though, I don't think they will push for it as they will find the PPP proposal they rejected was within reason, not a bad deal.  They will expose themselves.

 

Granger is turning our to be nothing more than a rhetorical nationalist, bluff, puff and bluster.  BJ is clearly more strategic.

watch Blow Job's latest messenger bhai mekkin attempt (again) to convince that he solid and knows 'stuff'

 

lol

FM
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QUOTE: 'The Opposition Leader called on Foreign Minister to discourage the government from introducing flags for Regions One, Two,, Seven, Eight and Nine- all in the Essequibo Region. "Please do not allow them to introduce flags for the regions of Essequibo because that this is where they will start undermine the unity under one flag.”'

 

The USA comprises 50 states, each of which has its own flag. Here's the Arkansas flag:

Flag of Arkansas

 

Canada comprises 10 provinces, each of which has its own flag. Here's the Ontario flag:

 

India comprises 29 states, each of which has its own logo or seal. Here's the Bihar seal:

Official seal of Bihar

 

Why can't each of Guyana's 10 regions have its own identity flag, logo or seal?

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

QUOTE: 'The Opposition Leader called on Foreign Minister to discourage the government from introducing flags for Regions One, Two,, Seven, Eight and Nine- all in the Essequibo Region. "Please do not allow them to introduce flags for the regions of Essequibo because that this is where they will start undermine the unity under one flag.”'

 

The USA comprises 50 states, each of which has its own flag. Here's the Arkansas flag:

Flag of Arkansas

 

Canada comprises 10 provinces, each of which has its own flag. Here's the Ontario flag:

 

India comprises 29 states, each of which has its own logo or seal. Here's the Bihar seal:

Official seal of Bihar

 

Why can't each of Guyana's 10 regions have its own identity flag, logo or seal?

We need three!

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
You clown, he is absolutely correct and more strategically nationalistic than your current leader.  Leaving the region largely undeveloped will leave it exposed and send a wrong message to Venez and to investors.  You can debate the costs, etc but not the logic or concept.

 

The PPP is clearly sending the signal that they are willing to support the project under the PNC.  The PNC should re-look, do their own due diligence, vet the costs and contractors and try to come up with an acceptable proposal.  They are fools if the just shove it aside because the PPP had championed it.  Somehow though, I don't think they will push for it as they will find the PPP proposal they rejected was within reason, not a bad deal.  They will expose themselves.

 

Granger is turning our to be nothing more than a rhetorical nationalist, bluff, puff and bluster.  BJ is clearly more strategic.

watch Blow Job's latest messenger bhai mekkin attempt (again) to convince that he solid and knows 'stuff'

 

lol

While Mad-uno jerking alyuh around.  Alyuh people are real jokers bai, real.  It would be funny if the Indian did not have to deal with alyuh monkey mountain shyte.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

QUOTE: 'The Opposition Leader called on Foreign Minister to discourage the government from introducing flags for Regions One, Two,, Seven, Eight and Nine- all in the Essequibo Region. "Please do not allow them to introduce flags for the regions of Essequibo because that this is where they will start undermine the unity under one flag.”'

 

The USA comprises 50 states, each of which has its own flag. Here's the Arkansas flag:

Flag of Arkansas

 

Canada comprises 10 provinces, each of which has its own flag. Here's the Ontario flag:

 

India comprises 29 states, each of which has its own logo or seal. Here's the Bihar seal:

Official seal of Bihar

 

Why can't each of Guyana's 10 regions have its own identity flag, logo or seal?

We need three!

Alright, bossman. Three or 10. Doesn't matter. As lang as Essequibo gat one.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
While Mad-uno jerking alyuh around.  Alyuh people are real jokers bai, real.  It would be funny if the Indian did not have to deal with alyuh monkey mountain shyte.

well messenger bhai, you actually are funny . . . in a joke's-on-you fool kind of way

 

it's not a "would be" situation

FM
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Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Pointblank:

Like dem who had de contract tell Jagabat dat he gat fuh pay back de piece dey gee he.

You clown, he is absolutely correct and more strategically nationalistic than your current leader.  Leaving the region largely undeveloped will leave it exposed and send a wrong message to Venez and to investors.  You can debate the costs, etc but not the logic or concept.

 

The PPP is clearly sending the signal that they are willing to support the project under the PNC.  The PNC should re-look, do their own due diligence, vet the costs and contractors and try to come up with an acceptable proposal.  They are fools if the just shove it aside because the PPP had championed it.  Somehow though, I don't think they will push for it as they will find the PPP proposal they rejected was within reason, not a bad deal.  They will expose themselves.

 

Granger is turning our to be nothing more than a rhetorical nationalist, bluff, puff and bluster.  BJ is clearly more strategic.

The Amaila Falls project has been considered not viable, based on a feasibility study.  So the PPP needs to shut up about this, or furnish evidence that the feasibility study came to the wrong conclusions.

 

Now why didn't the PPP build a road to Brazil?  THAT would have facilitated more rapid development of the interior.  But you see the Brazilians were not going to pay bribes, so Jagdeo didn't see what sense it made, even as every one complained about bad road conditions to the interior.

 

In addition Venezuela was already phasing out purchases of rice from Guyana, favoring Uruguay, this FACT, the PPP conveniently "forgot" to mention.

 

I agree with Jagdeo on the CONVIASA situation, as the majority of people being hurt are the Guyanese who live in Puerto Ordaz. They will now have to return to the very dangerous sea, or overland route that they had previously used.  There are THOUSANDS of Guyanese living there, to the degree that there is even a Guyanese neighborhood.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

QUOTE: 'The Opposition Leader called on Foreign Minister to discourage the government from introducing flags for Regions One, Two,, Seven, Eight and Nine- all in the Essequibo Region. "Please do not allow them to introduce flags for the regions of Essequibo because that this is where they will start undermine the unity under one flag.”'

 

The USA comprises 50 states, each of which has its own flag. Here's the Arkansas flag:

Flag of Arkansas

 

Canada comprises 10 provinces, each of which has its own flag. Here's the Ontario flag:

 

India comprises 29 states, each of which has its own logo or seal. Here's the Bihar seal:

Official seal of Bihar

 

Why can't each of Guyana's 10 regions have its own identity flag, logo or seal?

Its simple: The states are not threatened by surrounding countries that threaten Guyana, like Venezuela and Essequibo. This may be a small but first step to people seeking to create division in the country. In the US, the states have historically joined the union as part of entities that initially maintained their own sovereignty (Texas, lone star) and were captured from other countries (Mexican Cession, Texas) or were created from other ways (Oregon Territory). Geographical boundaries were imposed by the colonials and cemented by the British.

 

We should focus on giving more autonomy to the three counties, rather than allowing regions to emerge as distinct units

V
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

QUOTE: 'The Opposition Leader called on Foreign Minister to discourage the government from introducing flags for Regions One, Two,, Seven, Eight and Nine- all in the Essequibo Region. "Please do not allow them to introduce flags for the regions of Essequibo because that this is where they will start undermine the unity under one flag.”'

 

The USA comprises 50 states, each of which has its own flag. Here's the Arkansas flag:

Flag of Arkansas

 

Canada comprises 10 provinces, each of which has its own flag. Here's the Ontario flag:

 

India comprises 29 states, each of which has its own logo or seal. Here's the Bihar seal:

Official seal of Bihar

 

Why can't each of Guyana's 10 regions have its own identity flag, logo or seal?

Its simple: The states are not threatened by surrounding countries that threaten Guyana, like Venezuela and Essequibo. This may be a small but first step to people seeking to create division in the country. In the US, the states have historically joined the union as part of entities that initially maintained their own sovereignty (Texas, lone star) and were captured from other countries (Mexican Cession, Texas) or were created from other ways (Oregon Territory). Geographical boundaries were imposed by the colonials and cemented by the British.

 

We should focus on giving more autonomy to the three counties, rather than allowing regions to emerge as distinct units

I appreciate your point, Vish. Thanks.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
You clown, he is absolutely correct and more strategically nationalistic than your current leader.  Leaving the region largely undeveloped will leave it exposed and send a wrong message to Venez and to investors.  You can debate the costs, etc but not the logic or concept.

 

The PPP is clearly sending the signal that they are willing to support the project under the PNC.  The PNC should re-look, do their own due diligence, vet the costs and contractors and try to come up with an acceptable proposal.  They are fools if the just shove it aside because the PPP had championed it.  Somehow though, I don't think they will push for it as they will find the PPP proposal they rejected was within reason, not a bad deal.  They will expose themselves.

 

Granger is turning our to be nothing more than a rhetorical nationalist, bluff, puff and bluster.  BJ is clearly more strategic.

watch Blow Job's latest messenger bhai mekkin attempt (again) to convince that he solid and knows 'stuff'

 

lol

While Mad-uno jerking alyuh around.  Alyuh people are real jokers bai, real.  It would be funny if the Indian did not have to deal with alyuh monkey mountain shyte.

PNC is just a bunch of clowns.

FM

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