Hmmm.  Its "hate" to demand that the murder of protesters, who have a legal right to protest be condemned, that an IMPARTIAL commision by set up with the govt having no more to do with its formation, operation and selection of its members than other groups.  And that PPP liars should stop spreading HATE!!!!

Hmmmm.  Yet you wish I go live in such a dictatorship. I left Guyana under Buirham and apparently people are no more free to express their vieews now than they were then.

Its time Linden returns to a state of  normalcy

You a gotay the same dhall every post, nothing new.

You need to speak for YOURSELF.  Clearly the 95% of Africans/mixed who voted AGAINST the PPP think differently fom you.

For carib that was.

More of the same dhall

Agreed but what is Ramotar doing to ensure this?  He created the problem by his ineffective response to the shootings....and by not telling Lindeners BEFORE the elections that they would have to pay more for their electricity.

yes and ditto for you........Thanks for indicating to me why returning to Guyana would be a bad idea.  I can fight for my rights in the USA, and not in Guyana.  sad isnt it!!!!!

baseman rancid (PPP) math:

Fineman (sometime RK hired gun) = genocidal Afro-Guyanese masses

You were the one who wailed about an INDIAN govt being overthrown.

Go and address your fears in light of the clear fact that neither the GDF nor the GPF will be part of that.

We don't know what you talking bout because you are far removed from the scene.

Where did I "wailed" about an "Indian" Govt.  The only "wailing" I hear is coming from the opposition.

Yes please remind them of it. Let them remember what every one in Guyana knows and that is the line between the socalled Freedom Fighters and the Phantoms was blurred on ocassion.

This is why the murders of sat sawh were NEVER resolve d even though Jagdeo screamed full knowledge of who did it.

Is the AFC and APNU wailing about how they fear that the PPP will be overthrown.

Now you and other PPP supporters are screaming about this even though logic dictates that this will never happen because the GDF and the GPF are conditioned act on the behalf of the govt in power, whether or not they support this govt as individuals....and you know full well that those in charge of both entities have been carefully selected by the PPP and there ha snever been internal disssension within the ranks of either entity.

Yet the wails that this is an attempt to over throw the PPP.

Answer my question with an answer, not with another question.

So tell me then who voted for APNU?  Did thousands of Indians rush to vote for Granger.  No. You know that.  So do the maths then.  There is a clear and much discussed refusal by Africans and mixed voters to support the PPP.

But then maybe you are just too stupid to engage in a discussion of the oft mentioned ethnically based political polarization in Guyana so have these silly responses.  And the adverse impact that this has had on Guyana's development.  Indeed this matter has been discussed by teh Carter Center, by the UN, by the Commonwealth Secretariat and many other groupings so your attempt to wish it away just shows what a fundamentally silly man you are.

I sincerely apologize for exposing you as a man no more capable on intelligent discussion than one can expect an old drunk like Nehru to be.

Oh BTW the screams of many PPP supporters about "how ungrateful blacks are" with some one here, baseman I believe, opining that a black man will eat dinner from you and still do damage afterwards.  Oh yes its amzing how often comments about blacks on GNI so closely resemble what one will see on a white supremacist site so much so that many blacks stopped posting here and a new site was established.

Do you deny that you wrote that you thought that this might possibly be a plot by the opposition to attempt to have the govt overthrown? The post is there so its no point denying it baseman.

If you raise a topic dont run away.

The PPP is every bit as Indian a govt a sthe PNC under Burnham was African.  So unless you think that the PNC was multiracial in nature, despite its warts, then the same goes for the PPP.

No, I said a plausible scenario exists given the other circumstantial evidence which I cited.  I do believe the force was excessive but it baffles me as to why they did it, what prompted them and what they hoped to accomplish.  Per Leroy Brummel, no orders came from the GoG, it was a field commander decision to order the shootings.  No avenue should be ignored.

 Are you saying that our police force are rational agents of authority and they do not conspire to defraud citizens relentless with petty demands for monies at every opportunity? Are you saying we have great people whose record of conscientious service is impeccable and so above reproach?

If so I need to remind you that the News has an article only last week of the relentless aggravations heaped on citizens by this corrupt security forces. I ought to tell you they shot into a crowd of protesters on December 10. I should remind you the police with the bull horn on the video posted here by PPP hacks to illustrate appropriate warning being given did indeed show an individual in security uniform giving an ominous "final warning".

It is not as you quick to lie for the PPP folks are saying that a retreating force under assault by citizens being forced to fire. Clearly that video contained conversations of people telling others what might come, a reckless police may indeed take to firng on them if the demonstrate any form of aggression.

It matters not who give the order to shoot. Responsibility is at the top down and they had time to prepare and that meant coming equipped with massive enough force in riot gear to hold back a crowd. Instead they came with shot guns.

Abidah, This ASS always lok at the left jab, then I giove him the right uppercut. SUCKER.

A left jab followed by a right uppercut is not a smart combination.

In such a divisive and acidic race-political environment, radical elements within the forces cannot be ruled out.  All I say, that scenario is plausible and should be looked into.  As I said, I'm baffled by the excesses against the protestors.

Originally Posted by Nehru:

Abidah, This ASS always lok at the left jab, then I giove him the right uppercut. SUCKER.

A left jab followed by a right uppercut is not a smart combination.

matter of fact.. is outright nonsense

I am not baffled by anything the police do. A thuggish police apparatus breeds thuggish reaction. They are the agents of most of our petty robberies and much of our violent stick up jobs so anything is expected from them.

Which is you basically saying that there is a possibility that the PNC deliberately set out to kill THEIR OWN supporters in order to set in place an environment where the PPP might be overthrown.

And I am telling you that this is impossible given the fact that the conflicts that the GDF/GPF have been against PNC supporters and not the PPP and that both a led by people selected by Jagdeo, and/or Ramotar.  Who the ordinary policeman and soldier votes for is irrelevant as its clear that the top echelons of both have cast their lost with the PPP.  Neither entity have a tradition in Guyana of mutiny.

Were there not this environment of fear within the PPP that they know that the vast majority of Africans despise them then they would understand how illogical these fears are and that there is no PLAUSIBLE scenario where it exists.

At what time in Guyana's history have there ever been "radical" elements within either the police force or the army who defied their superiors.

Not under British colonial rule when the mainly black police shot down black and/or Indian protesters.  Not under Burnham, even though there was a mutiny in Tdad and many grass roots Africans were fed up of him after his bannings and certainly when Rodney appeared. And not under the PPP either.

Of course I agree with you that we do have a highly toxic ethnically based polarized political environment...which is why I dont understand why the PPP pretends this is not so and why many of their supporters lie sugrim attack those who point this out.

Clearly Linden is not friendly to the PPP.  So why was the govt so clumsy in how it handled this situation.

1.  they should have been honest during the election as they declared their plans for Linden.  If it is the govt is sending money to BOSAI this ought to be up for discussion.

2.  the technical task force with the stated terms of reference should heve been established BEFORE this announcement. 

3.  If indeed the govt does underwite most of the costs of generating electricity in Linden (Ram says they do not) then this issue should have been arised within the conext of a new plan designe dto reduce Linden's dependence on Bauxite.

And there is the issue of how protests should b e handled. If a group says PUBLICLY that they will "shut down a location" as soon as this is said the GPF/GDF should be positioned to guard critical infrastructure>  Not reacting afterwards with brute force.  I knew in NYC that they would block the bridge and this was obvious several days before they did...so why no attempt by the PDF/GPF to post guards on the bridge with a view to blocking any large crowd from assembling on it?