Bro u disappoint me

 

I know. I'm disappointed in me too man. This is not endorsement of the PPP/C. This is an acknowledgment that abbe canecutters have a "rational" basis for supporting the PPP/C this year.

 

But I cannot help but understand how the ordinary Indian for whom politics is an elite past time can come to the conclusion that he'd rather be ruled by his "own" bad government than someone else's bad (and potentially) worse alternative.

Bro u also disappoint me,anyway cool man.

 

Please don't take the wrong thing away from this thread. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE PPP/C.  NEVER HAVE. NEVER WILL.

 

I'M JUST SAYING, WE'VE BACKED THE INDO VOTER INTO A CORNER. IT'S PPP vs. PNC.

 

What can kind of choice is that to ask Indian people to make?

It is a fact that strategic voting is done by the masses of Indians and Africans. However I have always believed that 15% (some of which the AFC already gets) can swing. The base will stay the base for racial reasons. You will not get the Nehrus of the world. This coalition has to maintain its base plus target the professionals. One young EI professional told me this morning she is sick with racial messages. She wants to be convinced that APNU-AFC can run the country much better than PPP. I argue there is wiggle room in what is primarily a racial voting system.

One young EI professional told me this morning she is sick with racial messages.

 

This is key - the non-professionals, non-elite Guyanese voter outnumbers the others by 90% to 10%.

 

Does the Coolie Bright Bai vote constitute 10%?

 

I guarantee you that if you were to form a political party of the Bright Bais and we win every Coolie and Black Bright Bai vote in Guyana, we couldn't come up with the numbers to make a single seat in Parliament.

 

The core base of PPP + PNC is about 75%. There is wiggle room to play with.

They would.........

The last election had the PPP at 49% and PNC 41% with AFC 10%. That puts the two parties at 90%.  That would mean they were successful in gobbling up the 15% non-core and the AFC 10%. That does not speak well for the AFC in 2011 by your calculus.

 

For the PNC to win in 2015 (a two horse race) they have to find a way to win almost 100% of the disgruntled and simultaneously drive down the PPP/C's numbers to get them to 51%. Such a feat seems almost impossible.

 

I can't even find a plausible path for you bro. I'm trying hard. I just don't see it.

Aw lawd HMR reading Indos on FB is frigging hilarious
I really believe dis deep hurt inflicted on indos by de PNC is all dhall and flour related

Coolies had tuh hide and clap roti, friggin idiots I tell yuh

 

This why the Gold Teet Brigade will forever best all of us Coolie Bright Bais.

 

They know their audience well.

 

We will engage each other on the nuances of the implications of bicameralism on a constitutional structure erected principally from the lower house of the legislature.

 

Meanwhile, the Gold Teet Brigade will go to the battam house with a PA system, hand out some free T shirts and a fry rice and scream "Dem negroes and their coolie bright bai neemakharam daags ah guh tek away ayuh dhall ayuh roti ayuh wife ayuh gyal pickney"

 

We lose every time

dude it's amazing, I remember playing in my neighbors yard and they would rush inside to cover their radios cause de big bad pnc man been a come around to collect radio licenses fees. stupid shit like dat instead of payin de damn couple dolla fees, dem a holla oppression

 

LMAO

 

This is why I don't favor the teaching of new words to dem bais

Which part of GY they used to hide and clap roti???

LOL

 

This is some funny shyte. She rass get ketch lying, hehehe.

oh mih gad abee cyan leh dem pnc man kno abee a cook roti tidday
Abee betta hide and clap am, guh Ina bedroom gyal

Stinga...cracking up hey bhai i man pump up

time to clean some snow

 

mind yuh Django we cooked and ate oil roti every gad mek day, it's de Punjabi in we

me gat wan homan from PM Berbice ah don't see roti

fuh months is dah them tamil syle bhai ah gone fuh

now.

  True for an empowered and well educated intellectual person.

 

However most Guyanese perceive themselves to be vulnerable and use the only weapon that they think that they have.  Racial voting.

 

You are asking Indians not merely to stop voting race, but to vote for the party which they have been led to believe has threatened their existence.

 

Voting for an independent AFC is one thing. Telling Indians to vote PNC is another.  I don't know how many can make that shift.

 

Just hope that many Indians stay home.

You will get about the number of seats that the AFC won in 2006.

 

It is a fallacy that the AFC won grass roots black votes in 2006.  To them the AFC was the "red and potagee party" (the UF the way it was in the 60s).  These people stayed home.  Its the black/mixed URBAN middle class (bright black boys and girls) who were sophisticated enough to understand what the AFC is about.

 

The problem that the AFC has, is what the WPA also had, and that it is unable to step beyond and win a PERMANENT base among the grass roots voters.

 

Face it the Nagamootoo vote in 2011 was for Nagamootoo.  Trotman and Hughes would NOT have gotten that vote.

Yes 40 percent of the voters will hold them note and vote for the CUP with a hole.  That is alright.

 

But is not what matters.  What matters is what the 60 percent doing.

 

 

 

Where pray tell did you come up with the idea that the PPP/C's hard support is 40%?

Who are the 60%?  Remember the 51% include people who voted for Nagamootoo, in their disgust with Jagdeo.  Will these people vote Granger?

Only in Rohee house they had to hide and cook Roti because they didn't want them PPP stooges they were lying to and telling them they were starving see what was going on.

 

Rohee and his daughter both unschooled.

 

Do these people just think politics is just grabbing attractive numbers from disjointed places and adding them together to get a pleasing mental balm until the voters deliver a shock of reality on election day?

 

I really hope the AFC crowd does not think this election is some mathematical exercise but a raw battle for racial supremacy and woe be unto the combatant who arrives unprepared for the battle.

 

I'm not even sure these chaps understand which game they're playing much less the rules of said game.

I think that its the mistake which novices make when they assume that the ethnic composition of the total population is the same as the adult REGISTERED population.

 

The fail to understand the following.

 

1.  Indians are older than average as younger people are most likely to migrate and Indians are especially impacted by migration.

 

2.  Most of the increase in the mixed population occurred since the 90s, meaning that many of these people cannot vote.

 

3.  The under 35 age cohort are less likely to vote.

 

4.  Amerindian voter turn out is quite low as most aren't interested in mud slinging by coastlanders and in any case poor transportation makes the process of getting out to vote tough for many.

 

5.  The PPP has had a much more effective registration process than did the PNC in the Corbin era, so there are large numbers of young urban blacks who aren't registered and who don't have faintest interest in voting.

 

6.  As the incumbent party the PPP can award small favors to certain communities to buy their vote.  They are good for 5-10% of the black vote and 50% of the Amerindian vote.

 

So the PPP starts out with an outsized advantage.  Not just 40%. 

Addendum to Breaking down this agreement-

 

1. AFC presently has 7 seats.

The agreement gives AFC12 seats win, lose or draw.

 

2. AFC gets Head of the presidential secretariat,

who is secretary to cabinet

and secretary of the Defence Board.

 

3. AFC gets Prime minister with increase power.

The prime minister will now chair cabinet,

is responsible for identifying ministers

and structuring the ministries.

 

4. AFC gets 40 percent of all ministerial positions.

 

5. AFC gets the ministries of

Agriculture,

Natural Resources,

Home Affairs and

Tourism.

 

6. Civil society is promised

to be Leader of the List of Representatives and

Speaker of the National Assembly.

 

7. APNU gets the presidency with reduced powers.

 

8. AFC gets Two Vice presidents

 

9. APNU gets One Vice president

 

10. APNU gets 60 percent of the cabinet which includes

foreign affairs and

finance.

 

11. The parliamentary configuration of the APNU and AFC

does not equal 60/40.

 

12. AFC went into the negotiation

the smaller partner

but came out holding

all the critical power and

has secured more seats,

win lose or draw.

 

Now let us hear from the

Funny Fellas & Crab louse

Tactics for an (unlikely victory) are quite simple, but the intellects of the AFC will make it into a project about constitutional change and corruption (as if the average Guyanese isn't quite willing to be corrupt if they get a chance to be).

 

To win they need to cater to the emotions of people.

 

1.  Nagamootoo needs to spin the concessions that he has received as evidence that the PNC is a new party and is willing to make room for those outside of its normal base.  And that (Indians) can feel assured that their security interests will not be compromised because he will have sufficient power to determine staffing and the structure of the ministries, and recommending who the ministers are, and will control the Ministry of Home Affairs and Agriculture, two ministries of interest to rural Indians.

 

2. Granger will have to tell the black grass roots (especially the youth) that for the first time since 1992 they will have an opportunity to elect people who will be responsive to their needs, as the prospects for an APNU/AFC victory are stronger than ever, but that they must register and then vote, so the choice is theirs.

 

3.  BOTH the AFC and APNU will tell the Amerindian that they will be treated as people with all the rights and protections of Guyanese, and not just as charity cases, or wards of the state. 

 

If there is a group which needs to get an apology its the Amerindian population because they have suffered much at the hands of the rest of the population, and have always lacked the power to exact revenge.  Maybe a soft apology might be appropriate, not from any political party, but an acknowledgement of the neglect and patronizing attitudes that they have endured.

 

And that is it.  Leave the intellectual debates about the constitution out of it, though some excitement about "jail dem" mightn't hurt.  Obviously talk about specific social and economic plans that APNU/AFC will bring about.  Early LGE will have to be among them.

and what exactly do you know about politics "chap"? . . . playing around in a glorified criminal sandbox with mediocre politicians in Queens does not count

 

most of what u know u seem to have learned at the feet of demagogues and ethnic con men

What we do know is politics isn't about discussing esoteric subjects to people who think that those discussions are a snore.  That is unless one is an armchair lawyer or a Poly Sci major.

 

Your average person votes their fears and we can see this when we note that in the USA the region which is most dependent on government largesse (the South) whole heartedly supports the party of small government.  This is because the Democrats have yet to craft a message which resonates with their fears.

 

Ditto Guyana.  On May 11th most Indo Guyanese will vote based upon how afraid they are of the PNC.  The only question will be how many people show up to vote and who these people will be.

 

And whether Shaitaan is successful or not in Queens politics has no bearing on what happens in Guyana on May 11th, which is the underlying topic on this thread.

and when did you become spokesperson for the esteemed Herr Shaitaan, eh?

 

i noticed the royal "we" there

"WE" means every one except you.  I really don't see any ardent defense of this APNU/AFC move here.  Neither you, Mitwah nor HM_Redux seem to know what to say to the rest of us who fail to see how this increases the probability of a PPP defeat.

thanks . . . i kinda like to think of me as one-of-a-kind

 

They're gonna go to the Corentyne and tell dem coolies to put down their Gitas, their Cutlass, and Quarts and help make Guyana a more post-racial liberal society.

 

And if that fails they can also tell those coolies to "Vote PNC" "Because a victorious PNC is less likely to beat you up post-election