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Nagamootoo did oppose level of former  presidents’ benefits at meeting of PPP MPs

 

Dear Editor

I write here on the issue of Moses Nagamootoo’s position with regard to the Former Presidents (Benefits and Other Facilities) Act of 2009.

First I interpret Moses’s statement that from the beginning he was opposed to the level of benefits and that he did not support it to mean just that, and he did oppose it and vehemently so. I do not interpret this to mean that he did not vote for it in Parliament. There are always disagreements with regard to decisions but parliamentarians will vote in accordance with the decisions. Maybe in hindsight Moses should have at least engineered not to be present.

This letter however serves to inform the public that I was in attendance at the meeting of PPP members of parliament as Advisor to the Minister of Labour when this matter was being discussed. I distinctly recall that Moses vehemently opposed the level of benefits and called at least for caps to be included so as to limit the level of benefits. He was ridiculed by some present in the most rude and vicious manner. I recall at least two others present at the meeting opposing the open ended benefits.

Unfortunately in the end it was carried because most of the persons now present in the leadership have no connection to Jagan and his legacy, no connection to the working people, no concern for their basic needs and no concern for their aspirations, having been manipulated into leadership  by Mr Bharrat Jagdeo. Many of the others have lost their vision and dreams and in some cases, their morality. Definitely they have lost their testicular fortitude, or in the case of females whatever female equivalent there is.

It’s a shame that while going to lengths to defend the obnoxious benefits to former presidents,  they have kept most workers below a living wage and fall deaf to the cries of the ordinary workers and blind to their plight.

It’s time the people unite as one as we have done so many times in recorded history; it’s time we realize that colour should not blind us to our common oppression; should not blind us to our common interest and should nor prevent us from collectively defending ourselves and our children and the future of our beloved country.

It’s time for change.

Yours faithfully, Rajendra  Bisessar

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Originally Posted by Churchill:

Nagamootoo did oppose level of former  presidents’ benefits at meeting of PPP MPs

 

Dear Editor

Unfortunately in the end it was carried because most of the persons now present in the leadership have no connection to Jagan and his legacy, no connection to the working people, no concern for their basic needs and no concern for their aspirations, having been manipulated into leadership  by Mr Bharrat Jagdeo.

Yours faithfully, Rajendra  Bisessar

Jagan, admitingly a un-corruptable and pious man, brought other baggages which costs Indian darely.  Dealing with a little more pompous and assertive PPP leaders has its burdens, but it's better than dealing with a mentality of defeatism and subjugation.  These boys in the PPP need to correct a few "behavior" issues but it's better than dealing with Jagan's issues.

 

Jagan's legacy should not be something much to aspire to.

FM

Nagamootoo did oppose level of former  presidents’ benefits at meeting of PPP MPs
February 16, 2013

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Dear Editor
I write here on the issue of Moses Nagamootoo’s position with regard to the Former Presidents (Benefits and Other Facilities) Act of 2009.

First I interpret Moses’s statement that from the beginning he was opposed to the level of benefits and that he did not support it to mean just that, and he did oppose it and vehemently so. I do not interpret this to mean that he did not vote for it in Parliament. There are always disagreements with regard to decisions but parliamentarians will vote in accordance with the decisions. Maybe in hindsight Moses should have at least engineered not to be present.

This letter however serves to inform the public that I was in attendance at the meeting of PPP members of parliament as Advisor to the Minister of Labour when this matter was being discussed. I distinctly recall that Moses vehemently opposed the level of benefits and called at least for caps to be included so as to limit the level of benefits. He was ridiculed by some present in the most rude and vicious manner. I recall at least two others present at the meeting opposing the open ended benefits.

Unfortunately in the end it was carried because most of the persons now present in the leadership have no connection to Jagan and his legacy, no connection to the working people, no concern for their basic needs and no concern for their aspirations, having been manipulated into leadership  by Mr Bharrat Jagdeo. Many of the others have lost their vision and dreams and in some cases, their morality. Definitely they have lost their testicular fortitude, or in the case of females whatever female equivalent there is.
It’s a shame that while going to lengths to defend the obnoxious benefits to former presidents,  they have kept most workers below a living wage and fall deaf to the cries of the ordinary workers and blind to their plight.

It’s time the people unite as one as we have done so many times in recorded history; it’s time we realize that colour should not blind us to our common oppression; should not blind us to our common interest and should nor prevent us from collectively defending ourselves and our children and the future of our beloved country.
It’s time for change.

Yours faithfully, Rajendra  Bisessar

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

Jagan, admitingly a un-corruptable and pious man, brought other baggages which costs Indian darely.  Dealing with a little more pompous and assertive PPP leaders has its burdens, but it's better than dealing with a mentality of defeatism and subjugation.  These boys in the PPP need to correct a few "behavior" issues but it's better than dealing with Jagan's issues.

Jagan's legacy should not be something much to aspire to.
FM
Originally Posted by sachin_05:
Originally Posted by baseman:

Yours faithfully, Rajendra  Bisessar

Jagan, admitingly a un-corruptable and pious man, brought other baggages which costs Indian darely.  Dealing with a little more pompous and assertive PPP leaders has its burdens, but it's better than dealing with a mentality of defeatism and subjugation.  These boys in the PPP need to correct a few "behavior" issues but it's better than dealing with Jagan's issues.

Jagan's legacy should not be something much to aspire to.
PPP has a lot more than "behavior" issues, rationalizing thiefing, corruption and cronyism as "behavior issues" just expose you as a two bit idiot....
sachin_05

Look how the AFC/PNC creeps pull out fictitious letter writers out of their kaka hole to defend Moses. The proof is the minutes of parliament on the day that the package was approved. Let it be noted that Nagamootoo was forward thinking in his decision to vote for the presidential package, he thought that he would have been elected as presidential candidate by the party. When he wasn't he suddenly developed a conscience. hahahaha

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Jagan, admitingly a un-corruptable and pious man, brought other baggages which costs Indian darely.  Dealing with a little more pompous and assertive PPP leaders has its burdens, but it's better than dealing with a mentality of defeatism and subjugation.  These boys in the PPP need to correct a few "behavior" issues but it's better than dealing with Jagan's issues.

Jagan's legacy should not be something much to aspire to.

the absurd PPP con men trying hard not to speak to the issue  . . . attempting to 'manage' conversation away from the spotlight being shone on the lies and crimes of the deviant cabal resident in Freedom House

 

baseman wrist slapping [hmmm?] PPP tiefmanism as "pompous,"  "assertive" [hmmm??], and needing correction of a "few behavior issues" speaks so much more to his own degenerate state than anything else . . .

 

risible

FM
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Moses should pay back the hard working taxpayers the six million which the Attorney General revealed in parliament that he collected for services provided to NICIL. Moses has ZERO credibility. Folks, we are talking about six million here.

FM

Nehru Bhai

 

Earning is fine but six million is excessive. A champion off the working class has a conscience. Dr Jagan had an equivalent of $ 200 US dollars when he passed away. 

 

Dr Jagan had a conscience.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Nehru Bhai

 

Earning is fine but six million is excessive. A champion off the working class has a conscience. Dr Jagan had an equivalent of $ 200 US dollars when he passed away. 

 

Dr Jagan had a conscience.

None of these CUNUMUNU can be compared to The FATHER of our Nation, NONE!!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Nehru Bhai

 

Earning is fine but six million is excessive. A champion off the working class has a conscience. Dr Jagan had an equivalent of $ 200 US dollars when he passed away. 

 

Dr Jagan had a conscience.

fool . . . that is less than $US30,000 (over how many years?) for doing (above board) transactional legal work

 

what's your point jackass?

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Nehru Bhai

 

Earning is fine but six million is excessive. A champion off the working class has a conscience. Dr Jagan had an equivalent of $ 200 US dollars when he passed away. 

 

Dr Jagan had a conscience.

fool . . . that is less than $US30,000 (over how many years?) for doing (above board) transactional legal work

 

what's your point jackass?


Now, you are being the JACKASS. Do canecutters get paid in US Dollars?? You are indeed a FOOL!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Nehru Bhai

 

Earning is fine but six million is excessive. A champion off the working class has a conscience. Dr Jagan had an equivalent of $ 200 US dollars when he passed away. 

 

Dr Jagan had a conscience.

fool . . . that is less than $US30,000 (over how many years?) for doing (above board) transactional legal work

 

what's your point jackass?


Now, you are being the JACKASS. Do canecutters get paid in US Dollars?? You are indeed a FOOL!!!

bai, the comparison to Dr Jagan was in $US

 

but u reachin for a rare chance to be clever . . . doan let me rain on your parade

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Nehru Bhai

 

Earning is fine but six million is excessive. A champion off the working class has a conscience. Dr Jagan had an equivalent of $ 200 US dollars when he passed away. 

 

Dr Jagan had a conscience.

fool . . . that is less than $US30,000 (over how many years?) for doing (above board) transactional legal work

 

what's your point jackass?


Now, you are being the JACKASS. Do canecutters get paid in US Dollars?? You are indeed a FOOL!!!

Nehru reaches @ a chance to be clever . . . bravo

I never claimed to be celver but you talking SHIT!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Nehru Bhai

 

Earning is fine but six million is excessive. A champion off the working class has a conscience. Dr Jagan had an equivalent of $ 200 US dollars when he passed away. 

 

Dr Jagan had a conscience.

fool . . . that is less than $US30,000 (over how many years?) for doing (above board) transactional legal work

 

what's your point jackass?


Now, you are being the JACKASS. Do canecutters get paid in US Dollars?? You are indeed a FOOL!!!

Nehru reaches @ a chance to be clever . . . bravo

I never claimed to be celver but you talking SHIT!!!

bai, the comparison to Dr Jagan was in $US

 

but u reachin for a rare chance to be clever . . . doan let me rain on your parade

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Nehru Bhai

 

Earning is fine but six million is excessive. A champion off the working class has a conscience. Dr Jagan had an equivalent of $ 200 US dollars when he passed away. 

 

Dr Jagan had a conscience.

fool . . . that is less than $US30,000 (over how many years?) for doing (above board) transactional legal work

 

what's your point jackass?


Now, you are being the JACKASS. Do canecutters get paid in US Dollars?? You are indeed a FOOL!!!

Nehru reaches @ a chance to be clever . . . bravo

I never claimed to be celver but you talking SHIT!!!

bai, the comparison to Dr Jagan was in $US

 

but u reachin for a rare chance to be clever . . . doan let me rain on your parade

Any Parade you gun Rain on is the Village Parade in Manhattan.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Nehru Bhai

 

Earning is fine but six million is excessive. A champion off the working class has a conscience. Dr Jagan had an equivalent of $ 200 US dollars when he passed away. 

 

Dr Jagan had a conscience.

fool . . . that is less than $US30,000 (over how many years?) for doing (above board) transactional legal work

 

what's your point jackass?


Now, you are being the JACKASS. Do canecutters get paid in US Dollars?? You are indeed a FOOL!!!

Nehru reaches @ a chance to be clever . . . bravo

I never claimed to be celver but you talking SHIT!!!

bai, the comparison to Dr Jagan was in $US

 

but u reachin for a rare chance to be clever . . . doan let me rain on your parade

Any Parade you gun Rain on is the Village Parade in Manhattan.

clowning doan cut it bai . . . mate, er Checkmate!

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

Look how the AFC/PNC creeps pull out fictitious letter writers out of their kaka hole to defend Moses. The proof is the minutes of parliament on the day that the package was approved. Let it be noted that Nagamootoo was forward thinking in his decision to vote for the presidential package, he thought that he would have been elected as presidential candidate by the party. When he wasn't he suddenly developed a conscience. hahahaha

The man has his name attached to it. He is a PPP or used to be a renown PPP insider. He is detailing a first hand recollection. Parliament is simply the PPP parliamentarian doing perfunctory work when the decision was a party decision. They have a habit of using the legislature as a public airing of their internal decision.

 

This is the reason they so vehemently object to the present arrangement where debates are forced on them and the ingredients of analysis for decision making are ased to be detailed. These autocrats are not used to that.

 

Their reluctance is reduced to the film flam Ad hominem attacks instead of debates, dubious facts and computations; insubstantial chain of evidential findings, complexity over simplicity to obfuscate issues rather than to clarify, not to mention the constant pleadings to love them more and the PNC less.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

Look how the AFC/PNC creeps pull out fictitious letter writers out of their kaka hole to defend Moses. The proof is the minutes of parliament on the day that the package was approved. Let it be noted that Nagamootoo was forward thinking in his decision to vote for the presidential package, he thought that he would have been elected as presidential candidate by the party. When he wasn't he suddenly developed a conscience. hahahaha

The man has his name attached to it. He is a PPP or used to be a renown PPP insider. He is detailing a first hand recollection. Parliament is simply the PPP parliamentarian doing perfunctory work when the decision was a party decision. They have a habit of using the legislature as a public airing of their internal decision.

 

This is the reason they so vehemently object to the present arrangement where debates are forced on them and the ingredients of analysis for decision making are ased to be detailed. These autocrats are not used to that.

 

Their reluctance is reduced to the film flam Ad hominem attacks instead of debates, dubious facts and computations; insubstantial chain of evidential findings, complexity over simplicity to obfuscate issues rather than to clarify, not to mention the constant pleadings to love them more and the PNC less.

Nonsense, every vote in parliament is a national record for all to see. The actual pension is $1M GYD, a far cry from the $3M that the AFC/PNC are stating. They have included as part of the pension the maximum security and personnel benefits that past presidents have a right enjoyed regardless of whether it is used or not. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

Look how the AFC/PNC creeps pull out fictitious letter writers out of their kaka hole to defend Moses. The proof is the minutes of parliament on the day that the package was approved. Let it be noted that Nagamootoo was forward thinking in his decision to vote for the presidential package, he thought that he would have been elected as presidential candidate by the party. When he wasn't he suddenly developed a conscience. hahahaha

The man has his name attached to it. He is a PPP or used to be a renown PPP insider. He is detailing a first hand recollection. Parliament is simply the PPP parliamentarian doing perfunctory work when the decision was a party decision. They have a habit of using the legislature as a public airing of their internal decision.

 

This is the reason they so vehemently object to the present arrangement where debates are forced on them and the ingredients of analysis for decision making are ased to be detailed. These autocrats are not used to that.

 

Their reluctance is reduced to the film flam Ad hominem attacks instead of debates, dubious facts and computations; insubstantial chain of evidential findings, complexity over simplicity to obfuscate issues rather than to clarify, not to mention the constant pleadings to love them more and the PNC less.

Nonsense, every vote in parliament is a national record for all to see. The actual pension is $1M GYD, a far cry from the $3M that the AFC/PNC are stating. They have included as part of the pension the maximum security and personnel benefits that past presidents have a right enjoyed regardless of whether it is used or not. 

 What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament? Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

 What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament? Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

 This goes to show how far removed you are about the happenings in Guyana. If you don't remember this debate in parliament about the pension package and the people on both sides of the fence that voted for it then you are a fraud. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

 What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament? Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

 This goes to show how far removed you are about the happenings in Guyana. If you don't remember this debate in parliament about the pension package and the people on both sides of the fence that voted for it then you are a fraud. 

Poop head stop talking poop. Was the vote a vote of conscience?

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament?

 

Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

Still soundly asleep in yonderville, yet babbling nonsense about issues in parliament.

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

 What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament? Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

 This goes to show how far removed you are about the happenings in Guyana. If you don't remember this debate in parliament about the pension package and the people on both sides of the fence that voted for it then you are a fraud. 

Poop head stop talking poop. Was the vote a vote of conscience?

Address me properly and you will get an answer. I don't understand your juvenile need to engage in name calling. Maybe you were abused as a child and hence missed out on adolescence so you now use this opportunity to recapture your past. hahahaha. 

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament?

 

Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

Still soundly asleep in yonderville, yet babbling nonsense about issues in parliament.

Ole man.. go take your noonday apple juice to rejuvenate that dessicated brain of yours. Parliament has been a rubber stamp for successive administrations until this one.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament?

 

Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

Still soundly asleep in yonderville, yet babbling nonsense about issues in parliament.

Parliament has been a rubber stamp for successive administrations until this one.

From 1953 to date, Stormborn?

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament?

 

Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

Still soundly asleep in yonderville, yet babbling nonsense about issues in parliament.

Ole man.. go take your noonday apple juice to rejuvenate that dessicated brain of yours.

Sound advice to yourself, Stormborn. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

 What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament? Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

 This goes to show how far removed you are about the happenings in Guyana. If you don't remember this debate in parliament about the pension package and the people on both sides of the fence that voted for it then you are a fraud. 

Poop head stop talking poop. Was the vote a vote of conscience?

 I don't understand  hahahaha. 

That's because you had your head up your poop shoot too long. You'r like a maggot from the latrine pit. You are a low life looking for attention.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament?

 

Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

Still soundly asleep in yonderville, yet babbling nonsense about issues in parliament.

Ole man.. go take your noonday apple juice to rejuvenate that dessicated brain of yours.

Sound advice to yourself, Stormborn. 

 Sorry... I am not using a walker

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament?

 

Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

Still soundly asleep in yonderville, yet babbling nonsense about issues in parliament.

Parliament has been a rubber stamp for successive administrations until this one.

From 1953 to date, Stormborn?

Yes...I can quote you Jagan where he said the parliament was stacked against them by reservations of seats specifically geared to give the colonials supreme veto power and to work their will as they want.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament?

 

Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

Still soundly asleep in yonderville, yet babbling nonsense about issues in parliament.

Ole man.. go take your noonday apple juice to rejuvenate that dessicated brain of yours.

Sound advice to yourself, Stormborn. 

 Sorry... I am not using a walker

Even you walker is useless today?

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament?

 

Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

Still soundly asleep in yonderville, yet babbling nonsense about issues in parliament.

Parliament has been a rubber stamp for successive administrations until this one.

From 1953 to date, Stormborn?

Yes...I can quote you Jagan where he said the parliament was stacked against them by reservations of seats specifically geared to give the colonials supreme veto power and to work their will as they want.

What about the Burnham/Hoyte period from 1964 to 1992?

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament?

 

Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

Still soundly asleep in yonderville, yet babbling nonsense about issues in parliament.

Parliament has been a rubber stamp for successive administrations until this one.

From 1953 to date, Stormborn?

Yes...I can quote you Jagan where he said the parliament was stacked against them by reservations of seats specifically geared to give the colonials supreme veto power and to work their will as they want.

What about the Burnham/Hoyte period from 1964 to 1992?

Asked and answered.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What debates in parliament are you talking about from any era pre this present parliament?

 

Any previous parliament was a rubber stamp parliament for and by the party.

Still soundly asleep in yonderville, yet babbling nonsense about issues in parliament.

Parliament has been a rubber stamp for successive administrations until this one.

From 1953 to date, Stormborn?

Yes...I can quote you Jagan where he said the parliament was stacked against them by reservations of seats specifically geared to give the colonials supreme veto power and to work their will as they want.

What about the Burnham/Hoyte period from 1964 to 1992?

Asked and answered.

You are expecting another period of Burnham's rule with his associates currently in control of the PNC and in parliament.

FM

I do not know what your are talking about in the "expectation". I am talking about the present and it far exceeds what was. The present squatters on the Administration of the state cannot be worse than they are. They are despotism writ large.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Nehru Bhai

 

Earning is fine but six million is excessive. A champion off the working class has a conscience. Dr Jagan had an equivalent of $ 200 US dollars when he passed away. 

 

Dr Jagan had a conscience.

Please, please tell DR DR DR DR Jagdeo this for me.

FM

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