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Linden protestors…Shooters identified – Crime Chief

AUGUST 3, 2012 | BY  | FILED UNDER NEWS 

-but AFC still wants viewing by UK ballistics expert

 “We know who was armed with shotguns and we have statements from those who discharged rounds…”
-Crime Chief Seelall Persaud

By Michael Jordan

Deputy Commissioner of Police (Law Enforcement) Seelall Persaud said yesterday that the policemen who shot and killed three Linden protesters have been identified.
But Persaud declined to say if anyone had ordered the ranks to shoot, stressing that the police investigation is still ongoing and that a Commission of Inquiry is also to be held to ascertain who is culpable.
Yesterday was tentatively identified as the deadline for the completion of the Terms of Reference (TOR) for the Independent Commission of Inquiry.

Crime Chief Seelall Persaud

 

“Shotguns (were used),” the Crime Chief said, while asked to verify a Kaieteur News story which quoted police sources as stating that copper-coated shotgun pellets were extracted from the slain men.
“We know who was armed with shotguns and we have statements from those who discharged rounds.”
Persaud has said that only four shotgun cartridges were missing from the ammunition that police ranks took to the scene.
An official said earlier this week that the Force’s ballistics team has shotgun casings that were allegedly retrieved from the scene of the protest. By comparing the casings with those fired from the shotguns, investigators should be able to ascertain who shot the protesters.
But top police sources said that up to yesterday, investigators were still to hand over all of the shotguns for testing. A source said that one shotgun was tested, but the firing pin and other markings did not match those on the cartridges that were found.
Crime Chief Persaud’s disclosure is unlikely to quell allegations that at least one police rank, who had a partly-concealed handgun, shot at the protesters.
The Alliance For Change (AFC) in particular has expressed a lack of confidence in the police being able to conduct an impartial investigation into the tragedy.
Yesterday, AFC Executive Member Nigel Hughes accused the police of attempting to stymie the party’s attempts to bring United Kingdom’s Dr. David Robinson, to view the police ballistics tests.
Hughes stated that an application was sent on Monday to the Commissioner of Police requesting Dr. Robinson’s participation in this aspect of the investigation.
However, Hughes said that he was told that the UK expert has to get a work permit and that the police are requesting a photocopy of his passport.
“I think this is an attempt to delay his arrival or frustrate it. A work permit takes three or four weeks (to acquire).”
Hughes has said that the AFC has ‘significant evidence’ relating to the Linden killings, which the party intends to release to international agencies in order to protect the eyewitnesses.
Asked yesterday if government was willing to expedite the process for a work permit for the UK expert, a senior Government official told Kaieteur News that Guyana has its own ballistics expert.
According to the government official, the local ballistics expert “has been resorted to on numerous occasions, and has given testimony to the satisfaction of stakeholders.”
The official also said that he is unaware if a decision has been made about the UK expert.
“The pathologist (Trinidadian Professor Hubert Daisley) came, but he came and observed, and with him coming and observing, this opens the door for the ballistics expert to come,” the official said.
Professor Daisley had viewed the autopsy after receiving a request from the AFC. His pronouncement that metal fragments that appeared to be from bronze-tipped bullets were extracted from the victims had added fuel to reports that a police rank carrying a handgun had fired into the crowd.
The Crime Chief’s disclosure came two days after police issued a release refuting a Kaieteur News story which stated that the Force’s ballistics experts had viewed the ‘fragments’ under a microscope and concluded that they were shotgun pellets.
The official said that the experts explained that the pellets bent out of shape on impact, and this could have caused them to be mistaken for bullet fragments.  The source said that similar copper-coated pellets were extracted from some of the other wounded protesters.
A police official told Kaieteur News that the ‘fragments’ from the dead men were placed in sealed containers. According to the official, after viewing the autopsies, the Trinidadian forensic pathologist affixed his signature to the seals before the containers were handed over to the police.
Some police sources are asking why their colleagues were using the copper-coated cartridges, which are far more lethal than cartridges loaded with ‘birdshot’.
They explained that the ‘birdshot’ cartridges could just as effectively dispersed the unarmed gathering.
It is believed that the ranks were standing about 15 feet from the protesters when they opened fire directly at them.
The sources also suggested that the ranks should have aimed at the ground and that the controversial water cannon should have been deployed to Linden before, rather than after the protests had escalated.

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Originally Posted by God:

Linden protestors…Shooters identified – Crime Chief

AUGUST 3, 2012 | BY  | FILED UNDER NEWS 

-but AFC still wants viewing by UK ballistics expert

 “We know who was armed with shotguns and we have statements from those who discharged rounds…”
-Crime Chief Seelall Persaud

By Michael Jordan

Deputy Commissioner of Police (Law Enforcement) Seelall Persaud said yesterday that the policemen who shot and killed three Linden protesters have been identified.
But Persaud declined to say if anyone had ordered the ranks to shoot, stressing that the police investigation is still ongoing and that a Commission of Inquiry is also to be held to ascertain who is culpable.
Yesterday was tentatively identified as the deadline for the completion of the Terms of Reference (TOR) for the Independent Commission of Inquiry.

Crime Chief Seelall Persaud

 

“Shotguns (were used),” the Crime Chief said, while asked to verify a Kaieteur News story which quoted police sources as stating that copper-coated shotgun pellets were extracted from the slain men.
“We know who was armed with shotguns and we have statements from those who discharged rounds.”
Persaud has said that only four shotgun cartridges were missing from the ammunition that police ranks took to the scene.
An official said earlier this week that the Force’s ballistics team has shotgun casings that were allegedly retrieved from the scene of the protest. By comparing the casings with those fired from the shotguns, investigators should be able to ascertain who shot the protesters.
But top police sources said that up to yesterday, investigators were still to hand over all of the shotguns for testing. A source said that one shotgun was tested, but the firing pin and other markings did not match those on the cartridges that were found.
Crime Chief Persaud’s disclosure is unlikely to quell allegations that at least one police rank, who had a partly-concealed handgun, shot at the protesters.
The Alliance For Change (AFC) in particular has expressed a lack of confidence in the police being able to conduct an impartial investigation into the tragedy.
Yesterday, AFC Executive Member Nigel Hughes accused the police of attempting to stymie the party’s attempts to bring United Kingdom’s Dr. David Robinson, to view the police ballistics tests.
Hughes stated that an application was sent on Monday to the Commissioner of Police requesting Dr. Robinson’s participation in this aspect of the investigation.
However, Hughes said that he was told that the UK expert has to get a work permit and that the police are requesting a photocopy of his passport.
“I think this is an attempt to delay his arrival or frustrate it. A work permit takes three or four weeks (to acquire).”
Hughes has said that the AFC has ‘significant evidence’ relating to the Linden killings, which the party intends to release to international agencies in order to protect the eyewitnesses.
Asked yesterday if government was willing to expedite the process for a work permit for the UK expert, a senior Government official told Kaieteur News that Guyana has its own ballistics expert.
According to the government official, the local ballistics expert “has been resorted to on numerous occasions, and has given testimony to the satisfaction of stakeholders.”
The official also said that he is unaware if a decision has been made about the UK expert.
“The pathologist (Trinidadian Professor Hubert Daisley) came, but he came and observed, and with him coming and observing, this opens the door for the ballistics expert to come,” the official said.
Professor Daisley had viewed the autopsy after receiving a request from the AFC. His pronouncement that metal fragments that appeared to be from bronze-tipped bullets were extracted from the victims had added fuel to reports that a police rank carrying a handgun had fired into the crowd.
The Crime Chief’s disclosure came two days after police issued a release refuting a Kaieteur News story which stated that the Force’s ballistics experts had viewed the ‘fragments’ under a microscope and concluded that they were shotgun pellets.
The official said that the experts explained that the pellets bent out of shape on impact, and this could have caused them to be mistaken for bullet fragments.  The source said that similar copper-coated pellets were extracted from some of the other wounded protesters.
A police official told Kaieteur News that the ‘fragments’ from the dead men were placed in sealed containers. According to the official, after viewing the autopsies, the Trinidadian forensic pathologist affixed his signature to the seals before the containers were handed over to the police.
Some police sources are asking why their colleagues were using the copper-coated cartridges, which are far more lethal than cartridges loaded with ‘birdshot’.
They explained that the ‘birdshot’ cartridges could just as effectively dispersed the unarmed gathering.
It is believed that the ranks were standing about 15 feet from the protesters when they opened fire directly at them.
The sources also suggested that the ranks should have aimed at the ground and that the controversial water cannon should have been deployed to Linden before, rather than after the protests had escalated.

"Seelall Persaud said yesterday that the policemen who shot and killed three Linden protesters have been identified". Really? did he check to see if they were AFC plant....

sachin_05
Mars posted:

Linden protestors…Shooters identified – Crime Chief

AUGUST 3, 2012 | BY  | FILED UNDER NEWS 
 
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-but AFC still wants viewing by UK ballistics expert

 “We know who was armed with shotguns and we have statements from those who discharged rounds…”
-Crime Chief Seelall Persaud

By Michael Jordan

Deputy Commissioner of Police (Law Enforcement) Seelall Persaud said yesterday that the policemen who shot and killed three Linden protesters have been identified.
But Persaud declined to say if anyone had ordered the ranks to shoot, stressing that the police investigation is still ongoing and that a Commission of Inquiry is also to be held to ascertain who is culpable.
Yesterday was tentatively identified as the deadline for the completion of the Terms of Reference (TOR) for the Independent Commission of Inquiry.

Crime Chief Seelall Persaud

 

“Shotguns (were used),” the Crime Chief said, while asked to verify a Kaieteur News story which quoted police sources as stating that copper-coated shotgun pellets were extracted from the slain men.
We know who was armed with shotguns and we have statements from those who discharged rounds.”
Persaud has said that only four shotgun cartridges were missing from the ammunition that police ranks took to the scene.

 

FM

I can see why you ignore this thread, but here we have the police themselves admitting that it was police men who fired the bullets.

All that was open to question is whether they were ordered to do so.

Druggie go scream at the PPP appointed Crime Chief.

FM
caribny posted:

I can see why you ignore this thread, but here we have the police themselves admitting that it was police men who fired the bullets.

All that was open to question is whether they were ordered to do so.

Druggie go scream at the PPP appointed Crime Chief.

Nonsense, Seelall was either misquoted or misfed information from the PNC hierarchy in the force. As it turns out, the Wolfe's commission proved otherwise and no police were jailed or rebuked. 

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

I can see why you ignore this thread, but here we have the police themselves admitting that it was police men who fired the bullets.

All that was open to question is whether they were ordered to do so.

Druggie go scream at the PPP appointed Crime Chief.

Nonsense, Seelall was either misquoted or misfed information from the PNC hierarchy in the force. As it turns out, the Wolfe's commission proved otherwise and no police were jailed or rebuked. 

The Wolfe Commission said that the only people who had guns were the cops. You don't believe this and invent some "Anansi story" about gun toting PNC supporters firing rounds in the air.

You don't believe the Wolfe Commission so why cite them as evidence of anything.

Seelall a PPP man admitted that he knew who shot the Lindeners.  Now why would Seelall support a PNC view when the PNC were daily screaming that he was a brutal and mindless torturer? You do recall the Amerindian kid whose penis was burned off by some cops.

No one assigns blame to any one beyond the police force.  Why don't you present evidence if you dispute their conclusion.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

I can see why you ignore this thread, but here we have the police themselves admitting that it was police men who fired the bullets.

All that was open to question is whether they were ordered to do so.

Druggie go scream at the PPP appointed Crime Chief.

Nonsense, Seelall was either misquoted or misfed information from the PNC hierarchy in the force. As it turns out, the Wolfe's commission proved otherwise and no police were jailed or rebuked. 

The Wolfe Commission said that the only people who had guns were the cops. You don't believe this and invent some "Anansi story" about gun toting PNC supporters firing rounds in the air.

You don't believe the Wolfe Commission so why cite them as evidence of anything.

Seelall a PPP man admitted that he knew who shot the Lindeners.  Now why would Seelall support a PNC view when the PNC were daily screaming that he was a brutal and mindless torturer? You do recall the Amerindian kid whose penis was burned off by some cops.

No one assigns blame to any one beyond the police force.  Why don't you present evidence if you dispute their conclusion.

The police exoneration was based on forensic evidence. But the opinion that only the police had guns was based on hearsay. In fact the PNC supporters who testified covered up for the PNC operatives in the crowd who were killing their own, all for the greater good of getting Granger into power. 

FM
Drugb posted:
 

The police exoneration was based on forensic evidence. But the opinion that only the police had guns was based on hearsay. In fact the PNC supporters who testified covered up for the PNC operatives in the crowd who were killing their own, all for the greater good of getting Granger into power. 

1.  The police said that they knew which police men had fired shots.  In fact they identified specific people.

2. The forensic evidence did NOT exonerate the police.  It merely stated that the guns normally used by the cops weren't used. It did NOT imply that different guns weren't used.  So if the GPF know who fired the guns then they have the evidence.

3.  NO ONE said anything about any PNC shooters, and in fact the COI stated that the police were to blame given that they were the only ones with guns.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

The police exoneration was based on forensic evidence. But the opinion that only the police had guns was based on hearsay. In fact the PNC supporters who testified covered up for the PNC operatives in the crowd who were killing their own, all for the greater good of getting Granger into power. 

1.  The police said that they knew which police men had fired shots.  In fact they identified specific people.

2. The forensic evidence did NOT exonerate the police.  It merely stated that the guns normally used by the cops weren't used. It did NOT imply that different guns weren't used.  So if the GPF know who fired the guns then they have the evidence.

3.  NO ONE said anything about any PNC shooters, and in fact the COI stated that the police were to blame given that they were the only ones with guns.

More nonsense as you continue to hang on a thread.  No police were jailed. Even today the PNC/AFC stay away from this case with a 10 foot pole. No call for forensic audits or retrials. That's because they know that the killers were their cohorts who acted on their behalf to usher them into power. 

FM
ba$eman posted:

The police acted against terrorists about to harm life and property!

Bull....when the police got on the bullhorn and began threatening no one was doing anything except standing or sitting on the bridge. There is a video of it.

FM
 

More nonsense as you continue to hang on a thread.  No police were jailed. Even today the PNC/AFC stay away from this case with a 10 foot pole. No call for forensic audits or retrials. That's because they know that the killers were their cohorts who acted on their behalf to usher them into power. 

The fact that policemen weren't jailed is irrelevant. You know full well that there are many instances where police kill people and aren't jailed.

Why would the APNU/AFC continue with the case?   The CoI met, came to their conclusions and the matter is OVER!

FM

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