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Jaggy screwed up big time on this one. He is not going to impress the swing voters and that 5-7% Indos. Of course, he keeps the Rama_cants, the Pavis, the Basemans and Cobras...but the "swingers" like me are not impressed. See below.
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Statements and information
By Staff Writer On September 27, 2015 @ 5:01 am In Editorial
There was no shortage of strange statements on the border last week. There was Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo telling the media on Friday that Guyana’s military manoeuvres were not the way to proceed. “One thing we must not do, though, we must never allow Venezuela to argue that we are a belligerent nation by the signals that we send,” we quoted him as saying. Is he serious? Caracas is only too well aware of our Lilliputian-scale military capabilities, and could hardly argue that we were the ones threatening military action without becoming an international laughing stock.
Mr Jagdeo went on to say that “if we start sending images across the world of troops carrying guns then we undermine the strength of small countries, which is diplomacy and multilateralism and not going to war.” Going to war? Perhaps he has forgotten that it is Venezuela which is in our river and which has been sending anti-aircraft missiles to the border in a situation where we don’t even have a fighter plane or a bomber to our name. How can a small country which has distributed photos of its forces in fatigues armed with AK47s be interpreted as suggesting we would be initiating a war against a nation with Sukhoi fighter jets, gunboats and the like? And as for photos, images of Venezuela’s missiles being trucked to the frontier are all over the internet.
And what does the Opposition Leader think we should be doing? It seems he regards it as important for Presidents Granger and Maduro to hold talks to ease tensions and restore trade, particularly in relation to rice. Leaving aside his misrepresentations in respect of the rice issue, he does not seem to have grasped yet that trying to pet this particular tiger is likely to make it more irascible and demanding, not less so. In short, appeasement in these situations is rarely, if ever, the answer.
The implication of what the Opposition Leader said is that the two heads of state should meet one-on-one. It was Justice Duke Pollard who in a letter in our edition yesterday expressed the view that Venezuela’s current nonsense represented an attempt to intimidate President Granger into a bilateral meeting with President Maduro. If that is so, then there would have to be some further objective which in the eyes of Caracas would make a meeting in this format necessary. It could only be (as was suggested in these columns earlier this year) that Venezuela at all costs wants to prevent a recourse to the International Court of Justice in The Hague where the controversy is concerned. It has no expectation that it would win there, which is why over the years it has so vigorously resisted that route to a resolution.
Perhaps it is that in a one-on-one situation with Mr Granger, Mr Maduro could issue threats if Guyana would not return to the Good Officer process; such threats would compromise him if someone like UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon were present. It is possible, however, he might instead offer some deal if Guyana agreed to be compliant, or then again, maybe he would use a combination of the carrot and the stick to achieve his end. Whatever President Maduro might have in mind, if President Granger does decide to meet him, one presumes it would be in a context where the Secretary General mediated.
What can be said is that if this country ever looks as if it might succeed in relation to the ICJ route, a very unpredictable Venezuelan President would become even more unpredictable, and we should expect further irrationality to follow. (It might be noted in passing that our situation would be no better if the Venezuelan opposition win control of the National Assembly, or if somewhere down the line they win the presidency. For both sides of the Venezuelan divide, a trek to the ICJ would be like an end game which therefore would have to be resisted at all costs.)
But to return to Mr Jagdeo: He was completely justified in relation to one of his complaints. He told the media that the opposition party, the PPP/C, had not yet been briefed on current developments by the administration. If there is one area above all others where the government has to demonstrate its much-touted inclusiveness, it is this one; this is a national issue, not a partisan one, and to underline that fact the Opposition Leader reiterated his party’s commitment to the government on border matters. It is unacceptable that after a week, the opposition still has not been called in to be brought up to date on what is happening. This is in a context, as Mr Jagdeo pointed out, where moves towards the setting up of a parliamentary committee on the borders have not yet begun.
If it is some small consolation to the Leader of the Opposition, the government did a very poor job of communicating with the public too, and they had some strange statements of their own. In the first place, it took them until Tuesday before anything was said, and this despite the fact that the Venezuelan ‘exercises’ were all over the internet during the weekend. It was President Granger himself who informed the media about it, and what he had to say, although brief, a least covered the outline of what was happening, and was the most the country was officially told that day.
Unfortunately, however, he made no official statement to the nation, and his remarks came in the context of the swearing-in of the PPP Gecom commissioners, which was not the ideal time, place or circumstance. Thereafter, all attempts to get an official – or the army ‒ to put some meat on the bones supplied by the Head of State proved futile. No one said that a strongly worded protest note had been dispatched to Venezuela, or that identified international bodies and organizations, as well as individual countries had been notified. All was silence until at length, after hours had passed, an official statement emerged from the Ministry of the Presidency.
If the nation was looking for information from that, it was to be disappointed. Its essential message was that Guyanese near the frontier were not to panic, and Guyanese elsewhere were to remain calm. Now the residents of this country are not children, and they are not in the habit of panicking because the Venezuelans are charging up and down the Cuyuni. In the mind of the average Guyanese, bandits with their ubiquitous Taurus pistols are more of a concern than the missiles next door. Furthermore, citizens are entitled to know from their government what is going on; we live in the age of the internet, and they will find out anyway.
By the next day it seems it had begun to dawn on the authorities that perhaps they should hold a press conference. Minister of State Joseph Harmon did the honours, although he was not that expansive. While he said the government would be ‘communicating’ with Caracas, he did not say what kind of diplomatic note would be sent, or why it had not yet been sent. Chief of Staff Brigadier Mark Phillips was somewhat more forthcoming, while Minister of Governance Raphael Trotman was the third speaker. And in addition to other remarks he made, what did he have to say? Oh yes, ‘Don’t panic.’
At least there was one official who has heard about the internet, and that is Foreign Minister Carl Greenidge. It is true he was out of the country on Tuesday, but that should not have prevented him from issuing a statement about the steps his ministry was taking in response to the Venezuelan aggression. However, what he did was say a few words on social media, the link to which was forwarded by Gina to this newspaper, at least, around 8.30pm on Tuesday evening.
It hardly qualified as a statement, but in case that was what it was intended to be, since when do ministers make important statements on social media when they haven’t communicated the government’s position through official channels first? Or was it that he intended Gina to transcribe what he said for distribution to the media? If so, they didn’t do it.
All in all, the events of last week brought to public attention the fact that the government’s PR is seemingly in disarray.
Former Member
Rohee looking good as de man's caddie 
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Former Member
How the PPP lost the West for the second time
By Ralph Ramkarran On September 27, 2015 @ 5:14 am In Features,Sunday
It was President George H W Bush’s February 1990 Republic Day message to President Desmond Hoyte, expressing the hope that the upcoming elections will be free and fair, that signalled the end of the West’s four decade hostility to the PPP, starting in 1953. Dr Jagan had written to the US President in December 1989 seeking US support for free and fair elections in Guyana.
Earlier in 1989 Dr Jagan wrote to President Gorbachev, President of the USSR, also seeking his support. Dr Jagan had reminded President Gorbachev of the latter’s earlier support of President Bush’s demand for free and fair elections in Nicaragua, which was a friend of the USSR. Dr Jagan’s hope was that President Gorbachev would elicit a quid pro quo from President Bush for his support on Nicaragua by supporting free and fair elections in Guyana. Dr Jagan figured that with the Cold War fading, it was the opportune time for convincing the US to review its hostility to the PPP by supporting democracy in Guyana.
The new Jagan government in 1992 accepted the PNC’s Economic Recovery Programme and embraced the IMF’s stringent conditionalities. Together these offered debt relief without which Guyana could not have survived. It also opened the doors to World Bank, IDB and bilateral resources. President Jagan’s visit to the US was highly successful and the decades-long rift between the PPP and the US was effectively healed.
When President Jagdeo assumed office in 1999, the West was thrilled that the youthful represetative of the next generation of PPP leaders had made every effort to separate himself from the PPP’s ideological past. How is it then that the PPP, which was removed from office twice in its history, and kept out of office for near three decades, all by the West, managed to once again offend and alienate Western countries?
Notwithstanding the IMF-led strategy, which emphasized bilateral and multilateral aid and poverty reduction, macro-economic stability and market prescriptions, the economy refused to grow because of Guyana’s chronic political instability. The structure of Guyana’s economy in 1953, based on the export of rice, sugar and bauxite has changed only marginally by the addition of logs and gold as exports, while the export of bauxite had so declined that it was no longer consequential. Loans, grants and remittances supplemented an unchanging, commodity-based, export profile. When Guyana became a lower middle income country after years of modest growth, cheap loans and grants were no longer available and thus new inflows had to be found to sustain social services, the development budget and, as the PPP perceived, its continued electoral dominance. President Jagdeo’s Low Carbon Development Strategy and his Middle East visits were designed to overcome this problem.
As part of his Middle East outreach in January 2010, President Jagdeo’s delegation visited Iran and was promised assistance in identifying mining deposits, speculated to be uranium. The US had already deemed Iran a ‘state sponsor of terrorism’ and had become deeply concerned with its growing nuclear programme. Sanctions had been first imposed by the US in 1979 and later escalated, then imposed by the UN. Since Iran’s isolation was a major objective of US foreign policy, the US would have been very unhappy about the Guyana visit, especially since President Jagdeo expressed disagreement with US policy towards Iran.
Aside from Iran, Guyana’s relations with Cuba, a benefactor to Guyana, and with Venezuela, with which Guyana has a border controversy, would not have presented any difficulties in its relations with the US. The government and PPP, though considered to be on the ‘left,’ had been hitherto careful not to join any ‘anti-imperialist’ crusade. But the agreement with Iran would have caused the US to take notice.
In August 2012 Guyana abstained on a vote at the UN on Syria. The resolution, which was widely supported, condemned the use of heavy weapons in civilian areas and the widespread violations of human rights, demanded that all parties commit to ending the conflict and called for the resignation of President Assad. Guyana’s also abstained on a vote at the UN in April 2014 on a resolution which declared invalid the Russian-supported Crimean referendum on its secession from Ukraine. Guyana deeply offended the West by its vote on these resolutions, which the US considered to be important to its national interests. By this time Guyana no doubt appeared to be adopting a knee-jerk, anti-Western diplomatic posture.
Compounded with the above, internal differences aggravated relations with the West. The refusal to hold local government elections, the prorogation of the National Assembly, the PPP’s attitude to foreign representatives, corruption, arrogance and the PPP’s adamant refusal to countenance political stability by inviting at least one opposition party into the government, even in anticipation of the 2015 elections, incurred serious Western concerns.
Against this background, the government clashed with Western diplomats in Georgetown over the local government elections and the prorogation issues. The ‘feral blast’ at the US’s July 4th celebration, which doubled up as a farewell party for the Ambassador, and a ‘good riddance’ to the UK High Commissioner after his end of tour press conference, would have done nothing to sustain, in 2015, Western hopes for the PPP’s success in the early 1990s and the early 2000s.
The President screwed up big time. The country is stagnant. There are no job creation plans. Jagdeo continues to school the ministers on a daily basis. Of course the voters will return the PPP to power. There are no swing voters. They made a grave mistake and they will correct it. You guys underrate the Indians. Jagdeo will do the right thing whenever there is an election. meanwhile the country is starving. Crime has escalated beyond comprehension. Accusing the opposition Leader of being a thief when you yourself is a thief is a damnation says the Pope.
TKbabu, you economic papers on Guyana now apply to the 2015 budget. The inept Alliance is a disgrace to the voters. Where are the jobs you boasted about? It looks like Jagdeo is now schooling you. EEH!
Former Member
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
The President screwed up big time. The country is stagnant. There are no job creation plans. Jagdeo continues to school the ministers on a daily basis. Of course the voters will return the PPP to power. There are no swing voters. They made a grave mistake and they will correct it. You guys underrate the Indians. Jagdeo will do the right thing whenever there is an election. meanwhile the country is starving. Crime has escalated beyond comprehension. Accusing the opposition Leader of being a thief when you yourself is a thief is a damnation says the Pope.
Guyanese starve?
Former Member
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Jagdeo will do the right thing whenever there is an election.
yea, like becoming a racists leader and losing the majority in the last 2 elections.
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
TKbabu, you economic papers on Guyana now apply to the 2015 budget. The inept Alliance is a disgrace to the voters. Where are the jobs you boasted about? It looks like Jagdeo is now schooling you. EEH!
HEHEHE A KANTA ECONOMIST GIVING DONKEY CART ADVISE.
LAAD AH MERCY !!!
Former Member
Straight Talk
Monkey know.....
which limb fuh jump pon....
As long as AFC-APNU
is in Govt....
Venezuela
will never Invade Guyana...
Look what happen
Under PPP Funny Fellas...
Under Jagabat 2007
Venezuela Invade Guyana
and Destroy Property....
What did Jagdeo do.....
Like a auntyman.. tek it with a smile...
and thief more cheese...
Oct 2013 Under Donald Duck
http://www.reuters.com/article...dUSBRE99D0RK20131015
Venezuela Invade Guyana waters
and Seize an Oil Rig + Detain Crew
operating in Guyana Waters...
A senior Guyanese official said there were about
two dozen workers on board from eight countries:
the United States, Russia, France, Indonesia,
Brazil, Malaysia, Panama and Ukraine.
What did Donald Duck do.....
Like a auntyman.. Run and Hide...
put Kwame & Luncheon to challenge them...
to a Funny Fella Contest.
June 2014 Under Donald Duck
http://www.stabroeknews.com/20...illegally-venezuela/
AGAIN Invade Guyana
Gold Miners
Beaten by Venezuelan Soldiers
Play hide & Seek with GDF
Raid their Kitchen Eat their Food
Shit & Piss all over....and.....
tell the Army their Commander-in-Chief
is a Sissy & not a Soldier.
What did Donald Duck do.....
Threaten...Next time he will
Release....Kwame Nuclear Bomb...
Venezuela Ignoring
de Funny Fellas
Cheddi cant help you....
You'll thiefing & Corruption
more than under PNC...
Guyanese supporting
AFC/APNU ALLIANCE GOVT
President David Granger
& Prime Minister
Moses Nagamootoo
From 1966-2015
Guyana Suffered Non-Stop.
PPP & PNC..Failed Guyana
for 50 Years
"APNU/AFC pointed out
talks have been fruitless
for 50 years.
It is time to stop talking now
and go to court.”
Originally Posted by RiffRaff:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
The President screwed up big time. The country is stagnant. There are no job creation plans. Jagdeo continues to school the ministers on a daily basis. Of course the voters will return the PPP to power. There are no swing voters. They made a grave mistake and they will correct it. You guys underrate the Indians. Jagdeo will do the right thing whenever there is an election. meanwhile the country is starving. Crime has escalated beyond comprehension. Accusing the opposition Leader of being a thief when you yourself is a thief is a damnation says the Pope.
Guyanese starve?
Indians are not! Now read between the lines and figure out what I am saying. There will crimes and more crimes under your PNC watch.
Former Member
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by RiffRaff:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
The President screwed up big time. The country is stagnant. There are no job creation plans. Jagdeo continues to school the ministers on a daily basis. Of course the voters will return the PPP to power. There are no swing voters. They made a grave mistake and they will correct it. You guys underrate the Indians. Jagdeo will do the right thing whenever there is an election. meanwhile the country is starving. Crime has escalated beyond comprehension. Accusing the opposition Leader of being a thief when you yourself is a thief is a damnation says the Pope.
Guyanese starve?
Indians are not! Now read between the lines and figure out what I am saying. There will crimes and more crimes under your PNC watch.
I hardly ever read what you post...just happened to notice the nonsense about Guyanese starving...with crap like that, who will want to read anything you write
Originally Posted by TK:
Rohee looking good as de man's caddie .
TK
Its a win for Granger and the Guyanese people. Granger did the right thing by mobilizing the regional states and Guyana's friends. I am not convinced Jagdeo is a total loser here. The point he made about small states and our reliance on multilateral diplomacy is an effective one for small and powerless states like ours.
However, this is not the end of this problem for Guyana, nor is Venezuela going to walk away quietly. He may choose to divert attention from his own upcoming election by whipping up nationalism and he is not likely to give up Venezuela's claim to the Essequibo and the surrounding waters.
Former Member
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by TK:
Rohee looking good as de man's caddie .
TK I am not convinced Jagdeo is a total loser here..
In 23 years of PPP rule there were frequent incursions by Venezuela, with attacks on Guyanese, and seizure of property on Guyanese soil. The PPP screams that they had excellent relationships with Venezuela. Don't they now understand that it was all a plot by Chavez to get Guyana dependent on Venezuela, which would then allow Venezuela to call the shots.
Jagdeo has NOTHING to say on this Venezuela fiasco because the PPP messed up big time. Had Granger listened to him and ran off to have one on one discussions with Maduro he would have shown weakness.
The only card which Guyana has is international opinion, which usually backs the under dog in these border conflicts. Especially when the stronger power is a bully, who is fast becoming an international pariah, and rejected in his OWN country.
Jagdeo needs to focus on revamping the PPP, so that it can survive outside of its fast dwindling support base. On issues of diplomacy, he is a disaster.
Imagine where Guyana would be if the PPP was in power, the Western nations indifferent, and CARICOM ignoring Guyana, as Guyana ignored them!
The PPP would have either had to send back that Exxon boat, and signal that Guyana waters will NEVER be open for oil exploration, and foreign investment in areas claimed by Venezuela to be risky. Or they would have faced the same wrath of Maduro.
When you give JACKASSES to run a country, dont expect PROGRESS!!!
Former Member
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
The President screwed up big time. The country is stagnant. There are no job creation plans.
Jagdeo continues to school the ministers on a daily basis.
Rama yuh think by now...de Minista learn how to thief?
Of course the voters will return the PPP to power. There are no swing voters. They made a grave mistake and they will correct it. You guys underrate the Indians. Jagdeo will do the right thing whenever there is an election. meanwhile the country is starving. Crime has escalated beyond comprehension. Accusing the opposition Leader of being a thief when you yourself is a thief is a damnation says the Pope.
Ok lets Examine Jagdeo record on Crime Fighting.
Look what this Batty Boy Did......
This is de Guyana Jagdeo create
or mold over de years from 1999,
nearly two decades pass.
Dem three things he buy,
(1) de gunboat,
(2) de water cannon and
(3) de helicopter
nobody don’t know wheh dem deh.
In fact, he pull out de teeth from de country
and made us into toothless poodles.
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by TK:
Rohee looking good as de man's caddie .
TK I am not convinced Jagdeo is a total loser here..
In 23 years of PPP rule there were frequent incursions by Venezuela, with attacks on Guyanese, and seizure of property on Guyanese soil. The PPP screams that they had excellent relationships with Venezuela. Don't they now understand that it was all a plot by Chavez to get Guyana dependent on Venezuela, which would then allow Venezuela to call the shots.
Jagdeo has NOTHING to say on this Venezuela fiasco because the PPP messed up big time. Had Granger listened to him and ran off to have one on one discussions with Maduro he would have shown weakness.
The only card which Guyana has is international opinion, which usually backs the under dog in these border conflicts. Especially when the stronger power is a bully, who is fast becoming an international pariah, and rejected in his OWN country.
Jagdeo needs to focus on revamping the PPP, so that it can survive outside of its fast dwindling support base. On issues of diplomacy, he is a disaster.
Imagine where Guyana would be if the PPP was in power, the Western nations indifferent, and CARICOM ignoring Guyana, as Guyana ignored them!
The PPP would have either had to send back that Exxon boat, and signal that Guyana waters will NEVER be open for oil exploration, and foreign investment in areas claimed by Venezuela to be risky. Or they would have faced the same wrath of Maduro.
Carib,
I was referring to his statement in the article.
Originally Posted by Nehru:
When you give JACKASSES to run a country, dont expect PROGRESS!!!
True dat...Jagdeo and Ramtar fkd up royally.
GOOD THING PPP LOST.
Originally Posted by Jalil:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
The President screwed up big time. The country is stagnant. There are no job creation plans.
Jagdeo continues to school the ministers on a daily basis.
Rama yuh think by now...de Minista learn how to thief?
Of course the voters will return the PPP to power. There are no swing voters. They made a grave mistake and they will correct it. You guys underrate the Indians. Jagdeo will do the right thing whenever there is an election. meanwhile the country is starving. Crime has escalated beyond comprehension. Accusing the opposition Leader of being a thief when you yourself is a thief is a damnation says the Pope.
Ok lets Examine Jagdeo record on Crime Fighting.
Look what this Batty Boy Did......
This is de Guyana Jagdeo create
or mold over de years from 1999,
nearly two decades pass.
Dem three things he buy,
(1) de gunboat,
(2) de water cannon and
(3) de helicopter
nobody don’t know wheh dem deh.
In fact, he pull out de teeth from de country
and made us into toothless poodles.
Ah got a feelin he might even had a hand in building dah submarine.
Former Member
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by Jalil:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
The President screwed up big time. The country is stagnant. There are no job creation plans.
Jagdeo continues to school the ministers on a daily basis.
Rama yuh think by now...de Minista learn how to thief?
Of course the voters will return the PPP to power. There are no swing voters. They made a grave mistake and they will correct it. You guys underrate the Indians. Jagdeo will do the right thing whenever there is an election. meanwhile the country is starving. Crime has escalated beyond comprehension. Accusing the opposition Leader of being a thief when you yourself is a thief is a damnation says the Pope.
Ok lets Examine Jagdeo record on Crime Fighting.
Look what this Batty Boy Did......
This is de Guyana Jagdeo create
or mold over de years from 1999,
nearly two decades pass.
Dem three things he buy,
(1) de gunboat,
(2) de water cannon and
(3) de helicopter
nobody don’t know wheh dem deh.
In fact, he pull out de teeth from de country
and made us into toothless poodles.
Ah got a feelin he might even had a hand in building dah submarine.
the submarine was a love boat for he and bobby
Mr. Ramkarran is a well-educated man who has served almost half a century in the PPP party. It is very easy for him to criticize and put blame on a party that his father built because he has a little more information than the rest of us.
Here is his problem. His attitude towards the party is a personal vendetta against Jagdeo. Why is he continuously casting blame on other party members? Please take note that he never endorsed the coalition. He never will. He doesn't trust them because he worked with many of them and he knows the evil that they are capable of.
The PPP chose to dis-engage the West for a second time because of the threat of hegemony and impending imperialism. Ramkarran failed to address the West's approach to dominate the internal operations of a country. The role of an Ambassador is foreign relations. The ambassador is not the president!
The West knows that the PNC sold Guyana to the CIA for 7500 once and will do it again!!!
Moses proved to be a real threat to the PPP in Berbice because of his long years with the party. However, with him being part of a gov't. that is leaning towards tyrannical rule, mismanagement, blatant racism, and the propensity for greater corruption his value as a voter getter wanes each day that goes by. The celebratory mood that was present among PNC/AFC supporters has become bleak and nearly dead because of the rather rapid deterioration of the economy and a loud outcry from the private sector for Gov't. to stop the bleeding.
Former Member
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Carib,
I was referring to his statement in the article.
His statement was more whiny nonsense which gave Maduro the idea that Guyana has no allies, who could at least make sufficient politically correct noises in support of Guyana.
Maduro moved anti aircraft equipment to the border BEFORE Granger had 3 soldiers in camouflage.
Had Granger listened to Jagdeo Maduro would have used the meeting to embarrass Granger in Venezuela, by using him as a tool of the imperialists.
By involving the UN third parties witnessed the dialogue, and so Maduro cannot lie about what actually happened.
Guyana has been "talking" to Venezuela for 50 years. NOTHING has changed. Venezuela as consistently stymied major development in areas which is claims by aggressively making noises.
Guyana has NOT entered Venezuelan territory. Venezuela has entered Guyanese territory.
The WHOLE world sees who is teh agressor.
Jagdeo wanted Granger to go to Venezuela. Were he president this is what he would have done. MISTAKE, so Jagdeo has NOTHING to say on this issue that any one will listen to. Allowing Iran to portray him as an ally is just suggestive about how ignorant Jagdeo is when it comes to international diplomacy.
The very countries which have clout to "talk" to Maduro, have no interest in another Iranian satellite in the Americas, and this is what foolish Jagdeo allowed.
Former Member
I will also suggest that this issue needs to be wrapped up quickly, because if Maduro is tossed out, and the GOP wins the presidential elections, Guyana will have lost an important ally.
Former Member
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Moses proved to be a real threat to the PPP in Berbice
The PPP already wins all the votes that it possibly can. It has alredy been established by all, except for some AFC Indo fanatics, that Moses brought in few Berbice votes.
He brought in Demerara Indo votes, which becomes every evident when we see th thrashing that the PPP suffered in G/town.
I really do not think that these voters are impressed with Jagdeo's Indo KKK screams. He really needs to climb down off of his Indosupremacy perch, and start to understand that Guyana is multi ethnic, multi cultural, and multi religious.
NO party can win, based exclusively on a racial vote. It is the fast growing mixed vote which will determine who wins. Given that most of these people are part black, their voting patterns more closely mirror that of the African population, than they do any other group. The vast majority REJECT the PPP.
So continue to think that victories in Berbice will be the road back to victory. If APNU/AFC are not a total disaster, they will win in 2020, if the PPP continues to be a "coolie" party.
As a matter of a fact the coalition gov't just extended its honey moon period by successfully inserting the UN to protect Guyana against Madman Maduro.
The UN will NOT rule against Guyana, because this will become a precedent to reopen scores of settled border disputes, just because some one "doesnt like" past agreements. They do NOT want a Venezuela/Colombia war, or a Chile/Bolivia war.
Former Member
The old die-hard PPP supporters are the ones going crazy over the racist Jagdeo. However, these supporters are reducing and will be much less in the next election. Not many moderate and younger voters will tolerate with Jagdeo and Rohee racist BS anymore.
Former Member
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Moses proved to be a real threat to the PPP in Berbice because of his long years with the party. However, with him being part of a gov't. that is leaning towards tyrannical rule, mismanagement, blatant racism, and the propensity for greater corruption his value as a voter getter wanes each day that goes by. The celebratory mood that was present among PNC/AFC supporters has become bleak and nearly dead because of the rather rapid deterioration of the economy and a loud outcry from the private sector for Gov't. to stop the bleeding.
Dude, get off his habit of personal recrimination and show some love for country by commenting on the terrible cost the PPP has been to the state. This is no longer about who did what at election time. Obviously the guyanese people themselves were not enamored with the PPP since they denied them the majority in two successive elections.
Instead here you are harmonizing your bigotry with the prevailing dire straits in which we find ourselves and is leveraging the blame on the not yet four months old administration. How much of a jackass can one be? Granger is in probably worse shape than Obama was on entering office. He is completely at the mercy of the few unhealthy sources of income, taxes, sale of lumber and mining. He has to go out there and have western nations finance practically everyone of our needs while he shuffle through stacks of social ill effects of the corrupt legacy of the PPP.
Where is this government tyrannical? Why do you not lead in with substantiation to your declarative sentences? You are all become culturally practiced liars who do not care about the truth anymore. No wonder all of you were clapping and cheering for the Venezuelans to come in. I am saving these treacherous posts to remind you down the road what scumbags you are
To compare the PPP to the KKK is a hideous charge than cannot stand up in any court of law. It's an attempt by Caribj and others to encourage Black hate of Indos in a country where they have shared with their African brethren for more than a century. For a dude who supposedly attended an Ivy League this is utterly shameful.
Billy Ram - who went to Ivy League? And which one?
Caribj, according to Stormy
Former Member
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
To compare the PPP to the KKK is a hideous charge than cannot stand up in any court of law. It's an attempt by Caribj and others to encourage Black hate of Indos in a country where they have shared with their African brethren for more than a century. For a dude who supposedly attended an Ivy League this is utterly shameful.
Nowhere, on this site has he ever said that Africans should hate Indians. No where has he advocated any suggestion of superior intellect. I dare you to support your accusation with one statement of fact and I will apologize.
I argue with him more than any here and on philosophical outlook to solutions. I know his positions because he detailed them in argumentative form unlike you idiots who simply make unsupported declarations.
He states as I do and I that many Indians are aggressively racist and culturally bound to insularism and aversion to race mixing. He said that predisposes them to specific pathological responses when confronted. You are doing as he predicts you will do, enlist spurious and weak arguments to the man instead on focusing on his statements and mounting an assault on them if you think them untrue.
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Caribj, according to Stormy
Caribj, please do tell us of your Ivy League education. You told my sister Bibi Alena on this forum that she got her education from Freedumb House, when she was valedictorian of her high school and summa cum laude graduate of her University. She is now the head of the Capital Finance Group at one of the largest commercial banks in the world. She heads their London and New York office. You cannot walk in her shoes. Tell us about your Ive League education please.
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Originally Posted by Bibi Haniffa:
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Caribj, according to Stormy
Caribj, please do tell us of your Ivy League education. You told my sister Bibi Alena on this forum that she got her education from Freedumb House, when she was valedictorian of her high school and summa cum laude graduate of her University. She is now the head of the Capital Finance Group at one of the largest commercial banks in the world. She heads their London and New York office. You cannot walk in her shoes. Tell us about your Ive League education please.
Why should he? Alena is a bean counter and needed to take some more philosophy and social science electives to be fully rounded.
And why should anyone want to walk in anyone elses shoes? What makes you think Caribj is not creative enough to carve out his own place where his shoes fits him well and is appropriate for the terrain?
If Alena is as you suggest this brilliant polymath you say she is; let her come and stand on her own battlements.
Originally Posted by Bibi Haniffa:
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Caribj, according to Stormy
Caribj, please do tell us of your Ivy League education. You told my sister Bibi Alena on this forum that she got her education from Freedumb House, when she was valedictorian of her high school and summa cum laude graduate of her University. She is now the head of the Capital Finance Group at one of the largest commercial banks in the world. She heads their London and New York office. You cannot walk in her shoes. Tell us about your Ive League education please.
Katahar, can you walk in her shoes? Tell us about your Kwamee league education.
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Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Bibi Haniffa:
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Caribj, according to Stormy
Caribj, please do tell us of your Ivy League education. You told my sister Bibi Alena on this forum that she got her education from Freedumb House, when she was valedictorian of her high school and summa cum laude graduate of her University. She is now the head of the Capital Finance Group at one of the largest commercial banks in the world. She heads their London and New York office. You cannot walk in her shoes. Tell us about your Ive League education please.
Katahar, can you walk in her shoes? Tell us about your Kwamee league education.
It is the same kind of bubble headed buffoonery that one sees so obviously in Trump...an obviously successful business man.... The idea that because one is successful in ones career one is well placed to be deemed a polymath and leader of the world...tell alena to and Misir et all to go sit on a bigan. I remember her retort to TK being he came from a poor school when she could have demonstrated her acuity of mind to deconstruct what he said. Instead....we got the twit factor.
....."go sit on a bigan"........tarassssss.hehehe
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Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
To compare the PPP to the KKK is a hideous charge than cannot stand up in any court of law. It's an attempt by Caribj and others to encourage Black hate of Indos in a country where they have shared with their African brethren for more than a century. For a dude who supposedly attended an Ivy League this is utterly shameful.
The PPP screams that blacks are savage, criminal, lazy, rapists, and violent, and this was written at length in the Chronicle when the PPP was in power.
This is exactly how the KKK describes blacks. If you don't agree with the PPP then don't support them.
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Originally Posted by Bibi Haniffa:
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Caribj, according to Stormy
Caribj, please do tell us of your Ivy League education. You told my sister Bibi Alena on this forum that she got her education from Freedumb House, when she was valedictorian of her high school and summa cum laude graduate of her University. She is now the head of the Capital Finance Group at one of the largest commercial banks in the world. She heads their London and New York office. You cannot walk in her shoes. Tell us about your Ive League education please.
Bibi can have what ever job she, has, but she writes like an illiterate peasant.
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